Charles V frees his sister Catherine and makes her Queen of Portugal (Carlos, rey emperador)
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- Emperor Charles's youngest sister, Catherine, grew up locked up with their mad mother Queen Joanna in a castle in Tordesillas. After she wanted to ally with the Comuneros rebels of Spain to get out of their imprisonment, Charles forgives her and, realizing she deserves a life worthy of a princess, makes her marry the new king of Portugal, John III.
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'Carlos, Rey Emperador' is a Spanish TV series about the life of Charles of Habsburg, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Spain, the most powerful man in his time.
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The actress playing the queen mother - though least “colourful” - dominates the scenes she’s in. Subbed.
CMIIW, but she wasn't queen mother. Joana was official queen regnant until her death. So basically, Spain throne shared between mother (Joanna) and son (Carlos).
@@keizelharf5393así es, Juana fue reina de Castilla desde 1506 hasta 1555, uno de los reinados más largos. Y reinaba junto a su hijo Carlos en Aragón y otros reinos. Nunca fue reina madre porque además no era reina consorte, el consorte fue Felipe el Hermoso.
I felt sorry for Joanna...Catherine was her only company by that time. At least they made her die in the company of her first child, Eleanor.
"Made her die", lol
@@jamiemohan2049 I was talking about the series' Joanna, not real life Joanna, despite the fact that the real life Joanna did have Eleanor by her side. Also, I use the words I fucking want to, and I use them very well, considering english is not my mother tongue. By the way, RHAENYRA, didn't Aegon's dragon chew you like a pringle?
@@cringecat3614 Sounds like you are taking my comment a bit to personal that statement is not wrong. I don't believe English if your second language.
Let's be honest. The claim that Joanna was mad is dubious. It's quite likely Charles had her locked up, just to get her out of the way.
No, that is not entirely correct, it was not Charles who locked her up to get her out of the way. It was Ferdinand.
Charles grew up without Joanna, told all his life that she was mad. When he finally met her in 1517, she was already locked up for almost a decade. Even if she was completely sane when Ferdinand had imprisoned her, those years in lockup must have had a bad effect on her sanity by the time sge met Charles. At that meeting, she gave him powers to govern in her name voluntarily, sonething she never did for Ferdinand. Whether this was because she was not "sane", or felt pressured to do so, or just did this for Charles out of motherly love, we will never know. But she did it, even if it meant that she would remain confined.
Joanna was mentally ill, it is not dubious. But it is disputed to what degree she was ill. Some historians say she was completely insane, sone say she was only a bit depressed sometimes but could have ruled just fine. And there are many theories in between these two. Bipolarity, post partom, scizophrenia, and many other things are mentioned in her case. Which one is true, we'll never know.
@@Lily1127channel However, it is still not impossible that Ferdinand moved her away as a power move. Its not that Ferdinand was not a shrewd tactician. Plus, he never liked the idea of Castille going for Joana and / or Phillip. So...in the end, it is also true that Joana was always in someone´s way to the crown. And not unlike the other Joana, the Beltraneja, its possible this one too ended up a pawn in a chess game she could not play.
That she had a troubled relationship with her husband should not be remarkable. Lots of those arranged marriages did go wrong. And considering the amount of intrigue between her parents and her husband.....it was not easy!
Then you have the whole mess with her ending up heir to Castille. And this was something that her father was never happy about. Her mother tried to secure her position with her will but her father was never much into it. For Ferdinand Joana was a liability. Someone he would never be sure to control and someone who could be used as a pawn by anyone trying to get Castille.
It is absolutely possible that she really had mental issues. But it is also possible everything was blown out of proportion just because of her being a liability. The fact that she was allowed to keep and raise her youngest daughter does cast a very serious doubt into how reasonable they all thought she could be. They obviously thought she was good enough to raise a royal princess. So.......it all becomes terribly sketchy.
Also interesting that Charles and Isabella are rumoured to visit her and bring their kids. If she was really so bad, would they have exposed the children to her? That is another sketchy evidence that tells us she was indeed capable of interacting with people in a capable way.
The problem becomes....if she was indeed seriously sick, given they had no proper medical treatment, would she have been stable enough to be visited by relatives? Given how soon her illness is supposed to have started....given how her isolation and age would likely contribute to make her worse.....then its a bit puzzling how she seems to have been possible to engage till quite late in her years.
@@Ruimas28 Yes, Ferdinand locking her away was probably a power move more than a "medical" one. Also, at that time she was living with her kids Ferdinand and Catherine, and her father took the boy away because she was sick. But left Catherine there... Taking the boy because of her insanity but leaving the girl there.... It's so obvious he only cared about the power and not his children or grandchildren. So Joanna raised Catherine, and yes, like you said, the fact that she raised her quite normally also raises questions.
Most historians who have studied Joanna don't really doubt she had mental issues, but it is disputed to what extent she had them. There are very few historians on the side who say she was completely sane and everything was just fabricated, there are a few who say she was completely and deeply mad and insane, and there are many historians who stand between these two extremities. There are perfectly credible accounts about her extreme behaviors even before she became queen (e.g. La Mota incident), those were not fabricated to take away her power, those were sadly true. But she often behaved quite normally. They say she maybe had bipolarity, or post partum, or maybe scizophrenia.
Yes, Charles and Isabella visited her, but it is also documented that her mental state got worse and worse. She was probably not violently insane then, so the kids around her wasn't in danger, she was just odd and not present in her mind sometimes. And in those times, raising kids was not so kind and sheltered as nowadays. The kids had to face the horrors of the world too from a young age, so sparing the children from meeting their mentally ill grandmother was not something Charles and Isabella would do back then. If they visited Joanna out of respect, the kids went with them and there was no question. Philip also mentions that his grandmother behaved very strange sometimes during his visits in his young age, but when he was an adult, often she didn't recognize him. At the end, she had periods when she could barely talk. But again, who wouldn't go mad after so much time locked up.
@@Lily1127channel This will always be a debate :)
You know, when people say and talk about her being excessive and having big temper tantrums.....they forget how stubborn most of the girls in her lineage were.
Its like....a lot of stuff her mother did would have been considered crazy if it did not end well. Just, her mother had better political instinct and called the right shots.
Then you have her sister Catherine who also stood ground to Henry VIII and some people too called her crazy. Tough, again, Catherine was somewhat better at keeping some allies.
Isabella of Castille was also a terribly stubborn girl. She is reported to have had her own tantrums and to have fought fierce against her parents to avoid being remarried.
So...what is so surprising that these girls could do stuff purely out of their heart and with complete lack of restrain? Almost all of them displayed some of that personality and ability to be unreasonable.
And Joana was in a mess between her husband and father. That much is a given. And it is also a given that both of them were unfaithful man which was something she disliked even more so then her mother.
Therefore, yes, sure recipe for some disastrous moments. That much is easy to foresee. She may well have had a love / hate relationship with both father and husband. And then Charles and Phillip are boys too, raised away from her. Quite sure she had some prejudice. She did write in some letters that she could not deal with infidelities as well as her mother.
One thing it should be looking into is if the reports of her crazy behaviour start even before she is heir to Castille. I doubt there was something that serious because both her parents still made her heir. Up to that point in time, they were still trying to figure if they could turn her against Phillip or whatnot. And lets not be mistaken because that was precisely what they were going about. Their intentions were to get her and her kids to Castille and somehow throw her against Phillip.
I do believe this was all very unfortunate. From reading letters and stuff....I get the feeling she only became more seriously ill much later in life. Which would be plausible given everything done to her. But I think she was still quite stable during Catherine formative years. Catherine never seemed to display any trauma of sorts which she should have had if she had to deal with a crazy mother. So....yes....maybe Joana did had bad temper at times, depressive and even fiery speech / behaviour (no joke after all she had been through of course she would be a bit mad).
But the core issue to me seems to always have been the war between Ferdinand and Phillip. And once Joana became heir to Castille, she was right in the middle of that war and nothing could be done. Once her mother was left, I cant imagine how the relationship between father and daughter looked like. Hell....its even possible she thought her father had been involved in her husbands death.
There was plenty of stuff in Joana´s life to make her somewhat paranoid / depressed / angered at people. I have serious questions if what she displayed was much more within possible normal reactions to the events. Then, yes, people around took their chances to discredit her and make sure she would not be Queen. They have had her mother and many around would be thinking they were stable with Ferdinand. No need to try their luck with a stubborn woman who was unlikely to be as politically able as her mother.
As for Phillip remembering his grandmother being weird and absent and all that. No Joke! Considering her situation and how they had pushed her aside.....I doubt anyone would have been cool and friendly in her shoes. No joke she had issues relating with her son and grandson. It would have been weird if she didnt :) In reality, her having just enough cold with them kind of goes more into a working brain. It is plausible with someone who has a good understanding of her situation and has issues with it. Still, she behaved within the minimum which was requested and no more. That´s more or less what a reasonable human would do in her shoes.
Her not recognizing Phillip at a later age is then well within getting worse with old age. Its not like she would see him very often or had any real relationship with him. So....someone aging and isolated not remembering a kid which they see couple times a year.....yeahhh....absolutely unheard of :) And yes, those are signs of mental illness but at 60 or 70 you are prone to display some mental degradation. Specially if you have been gone through social isolation and trauma.
@@Ruimas28 Yes, of course it is not unheard of that an old person doesn't recognize a grandchild, it happens a lot due to old age dementia. And as I said, everyone may go mad after such a long lockup.
Sometimes she recognized Philip, sometimes not. But even in her middle ages and before she was already reported to behave oddly. But again, we can never know that once she was locked up what evidence was fabricated to justify her confinement and what wasn't. But according to most historians, it is highly unlikely that she never suffered any mental issues and was completely sane and every evidence that suggests otherwise would be fabricated. She suffered, most likely, from bipolarity or something similar.
She did much more extreme and weird things than the other women in her family ever did. Even if we don't count the coffin tales and corpse kissing and other things that might have been lies to undermine her, there are things that definitely happened. She wasn't simply stubborn, she ran out barefoot, in a nightgown, to the gates of the La Mota castle and wanted to run to Flanders just as she was, barefoot. And when she wasn't allowed out (that probably saved her life), she was screaming all night. That's when the local people started to call her "la loca", even before becoming queen. It was the locals who started it, not her enemies, not people involved in politics. Once, in Flanders, she was hitting and carving the floor with a knife all night, trying to get to Philip who was in the room below her, screaming to him (instead of just going to him? she wasn't locked up in her room). There were times when she got angry at her servants and cut the servant's face with a knife to mark them (not Philip's mistresses, simply people who were her servants). And there are many similar incidents. There are incidents when she was highly provoked, and there are incidents when she wasn't, or not at all in the measure she reacted. And many other times she was completely normal. And they say she was switching between those states quite suddenly. That's why the expertes who have studied her case suggest it was bipolarity, or maybe scizophrenia. But, what is most interesting, is that there were periods in her life when she suffered more from the illness and there were periods when she didn't (that's why she has a lot of sane writings even from her lockup period), but the time when Ferdinand actually usurped her there is no evidence that she had a bad period. On the contrary. After the mental breakdown she had in 1503-1504 (that's when La Mota also happened), she didn't have another breakdown till 1508, when Ferdinand was already back in Castile, ready to take Joanna's power, and he took her son young Ferdinand from her on the grounds on her insanity. And only after this, having her son taken away, did Joanna suffer the breakdown, after which Ferdinand lured her to Tordesillas and locked her up. So once the stigma was on her, because of the things she did during her first breakdown in 1503-1504, it could always be used against her, even in her good periods. But would she have been able to rule, having the bipolarity or whatever mental issues she had? That's the question we will never know the answer for. Most of her bad periods and weird behaviors had had some triggers, but the changes could be extremely sudden. Even if her father hadn't made her suffer like that, and she had just ruled Castile alone from 1506 on, would she have shown "insanity" later? Would things in that life also trigger her occasionally? She would have faced a difficult life anyway, ruling Castile, then inheriting Aragon, trying to unify the two kingdoms, having children who had duties in various different countries of Europe and had to leave her eventually. Would any of those thing have been a trigger, or only Philip and Ferdinand submitted her to such situations that tortured her mentally so much? We will never know.
I wonder why she was called "Juana la loca" the mad one.....The poor woman just suffered a lot!!!
She refused to bury her husband when he died. She took his corpse on a tour of Spain with her and pretended that he was still alive. This went on after the body started to decompose. Those actions are the main reason she was dubbed 'the mad'.
I'm so sorry to answer too late ...you can watch the serie " Isabel" It is the story of Isabel de Castilla ( Catalina and Carlos grandma) and in the 3rd season appears Juana " la loca" problem...it is very well explained . After that you can watch the film " "La Corona partida" ( the divided crown ) that takes all the susesions problems in Castilla and goes further into the history of Juana and Felipe " El hermoso" ...only then it goes Carlos rey emperador...
@@Theturtleowl The flamencos wanted Felipe's corpse and she wanted to bury him in Granada with her mother. Besides, it was a tactic to avoid being remarried.
She also stood outside, barefoot and in only a nightgown, refusing to go inside, nearly freezing to death, because her mother didn’t allow her to go back to Flanders, to her husband. She also suffered rages of uncontrollable anger, and there are rumours she physically attacked her husband’s mistresses.
@@Theturtleowl Her husband deserved it for wiping out the Templar order. Both that king and the French puppet pope were cursed by the last grandmaster of the Templars and both died in the same year 1 year after the execution of the last grandmaster of the Templars
Vi a Isabel, la corona partida y Carlos Emperador. Es bueno poder volver sobre nuestra historia. Porque la historia de España también ha sido la historia de mi tierra: Cerdeña. Lamentablemente, las potencias europeas nos separaron, sin preguntarnos si estábamos de acuerdo.
Así es Cerdeña perteneciente a la Corona de Aragón junto con Corcega , Napoles , Sicilia , Malta , Atenas Neopatria .
Y todo esto perteneciente a España tenemos una historia en común.
Y que buenos actores son.y siempre lo serán.trabajan y debe de ser muy difícil.interpretar estos papeles y que buena memoria tienen
Catalina of Austria, a Spanish Cinderella.
A sadder one, I believe. She buried two children and, possibly, a grandson as well (I don't know if she was still alive when Sebastian disappeared in Alcacer Kibir).
@@cringecat3614 wasn’t Sebastian killed ?
@@cringecat3614 No, King Sebastian of Portugal outlived her by less than a year. She outlived her Spanish grandson Don Carlos (son of Felipe II by her daughter Maria Manuela).
La infanta Catalina, reina de Portugal, sobrevivió a sus 9 hijos y también a su nieto el príncipe Carlos.
And Catherine married somebody who really loved her sister...
Who?
@@sitasinthyarangkuti6943 King John III of Portugal who loved Elenor of Austria, Catherine's sister
Thank youu :)
Catherine had a anger towards her brother carlos and her sister Eleanor coz they both didn't come to free her or her mother from the locked up castle
No, he didn't. João III loved Catarina and they had a very good marriage. This affair with Eleanor is fiction created to add drama in this series.
Son series tan bonitas y tienen que ser muy caras pero podían hacer otra parecida
She looks like Holland Roden.
Ikr. Teen wolf star?
Totally agree with you
Poor Joana
Please tell me they saw each other again before Joana died...please 😭
No, Catherine lived in Portugal after that, as queen first and then regent for her grandson. She never left Portugal in Joanna's lifetime.
Where can I watch the whole show?
I think at RTVE.es
John 3 ws wise acc to history
pero hay un error pq a juana su hijo el emperador carlos,se llevo a catalina fuera de tordesillas para que estuviera en la corte,y eso juana no lo supo hasta que se dio cuenta de que catalina no estaba.De hecho,juana se nego a volver a comer hasta que catalina le fuera devuelta.Lo oi en un documental.
Por qué hay error? Hay una escena en el capítulo 1 de la serie contando eso. Carlos quiso llevar a Catalina a la corte pero fue obligado de devolverla a Juana porque ella no soportó la ausencia de su hija.
Lili1127 Puedes poner esa escena por favor
Eli Romero ¿ donde es entonces?
Yo creo que te equivocas hija nía lo que tu comentas pasó en la infancia de Catalina cuando Carlos llegó a España y quiso llevarse a Catalina de ese castillo para que viviera libre de ese tormento de vivir encerrada eso fue en la infancia, pero la reina dejo de comer para que se la devolvoeran y al final Carlos accedió. Sin embargo esta escena ya Catalina es mayor y la sacó para casarse, a Juana la mantuvo encerrada Carlos toda la vida le interesaba para mantener la corona.
Porque los títulos del video no están en español, los ingleses nunca lo pondrían en español, aquí somos tontos
Porque es la traducción inglesa de la serie. Con subtítulos ingleses y con título inglés, para popularizar la serie entre gentes no españoles! Una persona que no habla español no va a cliquea a un vídeo cuyo título ni siquiera entiende....
No es porque tomo los españoles "tontos", que mala idea! Y yo no soy ingles.
Que comentario más absurdo. Precisamente deberías estar orgullosa de que una serie española sea vista internacionalmente