BUSTED Chainplate in a Squall - Assessing The Damage (Sailing Satori) - S3:E15
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- While sailing in the Caribbean, we were hit by a squall that snapped our mast rigging chainplate in half. After securing the boat and making our way to safety, we take some time to assess the damage.
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"By we, I mean Kelly" You're Brave!
You did all the right things Nick. With a keel stepped mast you were not so vulnerable than if you had a deck stepped mast. Well done. John of Gosport.
EXTREMELY LUCKY‼️‼️‼️ ANY RUSTY BOLTS OR HARDWARE U MUST REPLACE. WHEN SEALING THE CHAINPLATES TO THE DECK U MUST USE A FLEXIBLE SYSTEM, U WILL ALWAYS HAVE MOVEMENT WHERE THE CHAINPLATES GO THRU THE DECK. GOOD LUCK, SAIL SAFE‼️👍👍⛵️⛵️. Vinny 🇺🇸
Much better to find out this way than out on a long passage far from anywhere. Glad you made it in safe and are going to have a proper inspection done. Don't beat yourself up about it as it happens to the best sailors. Old boats have unseen surprises but with the lack of quality stainless steel these days, these failures on becoming all too common even on newer yachts. You're safe and thats all that matters.
This stuff happens on old boats. I pulled all of my chain plates and had a dye penetrant inspection done. I replaced my stemhead fitting at that time due to microscopic cracking. Don’t forget to check the stemhead fitting in addition to the upper, lower, and backstay chain plates.
Woah... The damage is extensive on the broken chainplate. I do hope that the rest are not as bad, and I look forward to finding out how everything else is. Stay well and safe to both of you!
I'm glad you didn't have a high price learning this lesson. It could have been expensive in money or even lives. Never stop learning and sailors are like pilots... there are old ones and bold ones... but few that are old and bold.
Always pull them as part of a rig inspection! The purpose of the chain plate cover and caulking are simply to prevent water intrusion wrecking your woodwork.
The stainless corrosion is due to oxygen deprivation, will constantly cause inboard chain plates to corrode and fail where they pass thru the deck. Outboard chain plates still have problems, less with the plate but the bolts corrode in the middle where they are buried in the glass.
IMO chain plate failures and spreader failures cause far more rig losses than wire stays, which means they need taking apart and inspecting and polishing every year or two!
So, make a rig without any of these parts.
“It’s always something.” Truer words were never spoke about boats and repairs! You were lucky, for sure.
Don't hit your self on the head for the rig failure. I had the same happen to me 2 months after a rigger was on board. Steel goes bad without necessary looking like it. Stay safe, stay healthy and happy ⚓⛵❤
Nick you guys dodged a bullet there. We lost an upper shroud about ten years ago in 8 kts. Of breeze the whole rig came down. What a mess, but the new mast and sails are beautiful.. thanks to the insurance company. I don’t know if you guys have a major rig failure plan but this is a good time to make one and talk about it. No need to bring back a broken mast. Hint hint..
Definitely a wake up call for everyone to check chain plates, be checking mine.
Had 1 of my backstay chain plates snap during a squall off Lankawi. Hull mounted bolted and fibreglassed in place ..jury rigged with block and tackle. A fricking lot of two remove cabinetry and cut it out. The break looked the same as yours right where it went through the toe rail. Got a a new one fabricated on Langkawi..needed to bend in a vice on my mini work bench on board.
I think the original ss was probably not good 316 as my Vagabond 42 was built in Hongkong 30 plus years before😎
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but the presence of the powder near the mast might be indicative of serious vibration caused by the break, so I would HIGHLY recommend checking your mast stepping as well!
"...white powder spilled over the table and cushions, don't know where it came from..."
I said that to the officer as well.....
I got my new King Arthur tank top in the mail!!! I wore out my old one, it was so comfortable and cute!! Love watching you all!! 😊❤🐕🌏🏝☀️🌊⛵🍺🍷
Lowers take more load, not uppers. V1 if discontinuous, and D1 take the bulk of rig loads. Either way, failure is not an option. Stainless can be sneaky as far as corrosion, often not readily visible. Butyl tape was not the issue, that corrosion has been happening for years to get to that point. Butyl tape is an awesome flexible sealant for deck fittings when applied well.
You are very lucky it was a lower shroud stay. Every chain plate on our boat was changed by a previous owner, except for one upper shroud chain plate and of course that is the one which broke, out in the middle of the Pacific. Losing the mast in the middle of nowhere is an expensive pain in the butt. Everything on a boat has an expiration date. 20-25 years for stainless steel chain plates. Cheap insurance to just replace all of them now plus give a very close took to the mast tangs. Thank your lucky stars you were close to an island where repairs are easy to do. It is always something. Sailboats are a maintenance treadmill!
Hey Patrick! They certainly are... and we are gluttons for punishment. I haven’t yet, but plan to watch your chainplate video you mentioned on our last video. Add a link below, if you don’t mind.
@@SailingSatori Hi Nick and Kelly, I just asked Rebecca and she said she had left a comment the other day....but we don't have a video for the chain plate failure. That happened in 2011 which was well before our video days. We did have an article in Cruising World and it is on our blog site at WhereIsBrickHouse.com . But I will put a link here. We finally made it to the Marshall Islands, U.S. associated island group where we had a new mast and rig shipped in a container from California. We went with all new grade 5 titanium chain plates as they will last forever and we plan on being on this boat forever. At least that is one project that won't be a treadmill. But you will do well with 316 or if need be 304 stainless. I recently had an American friend try to enter, on his sailboat, into St. Maarten and they would not allow him, even though they all have known him for years. Ahhh, but you do have a very legit emergency. So happy you made it in safe.
www.cruisingworld.com/how/when-stick-comes-down/ If I can find a link to the rerigging article, which was in Blue Water Sailing, I will copy it here.
Here you go Nick and Kelly, I hope you will never need this information on remasting and rigging: www.bwsailing.com/remasting-in-the-pacific/
www.bwsailing.com/remasting-in-the-pacific-part-two/
Nick and Kelly, I put in a couple links but they will show up first in the "Held for Review" box. Patrick
Thank you!! 🤗
Thats why you should carry a roll of dinema line on board the guy from zingaro has his whole rig setup with dyneema line seems to work pretty good when they snapped off a pontoon off of their boat with him tied the Pontoon back on with dyneema line got a minute the boat was totaled but it got it back and they were days away from land
Another thing to look into. Most sailboats I’ve inspected have the chain plates grounded within the lightening bonding. Green wire. Rich Naples Time Bandit Grady 330 Express Naples, Fl. Life Long Mechanic ASA Certifications
Certainly looks like somebody welded that stay above the break . The weld could easily have effected the metal and made It corrode faster. Those thru Deck fittings are common but a real pain as they can’t be made to stop leaking , you. Just have to bed them regularly. Cheers warren
The fractured area of the chainplate has bulges on the sides. As if there is a weld in there that failed.
That's what I thought too.
When he turned it the misshapen area appears to be the chrome layer pealed back. It does not appear to be welded, especially when it is flipped onto the other side. I believe the bulges is a combination of the material they were using to seal it to the deck and the chrome layer. Could be wrong. I don't have it in my hands.
@@TheSteelTech I did not think of that the item could be chromed. For such a part I presumed it was all stainless steel
Hey guys,I think if you thoroughly sort out your rigging now,you won't have any worries with it for a long time to come.That damage hasn't happened over night.Really pleased it didn't leave you with a failed mast as well,and most importantly,everyone is safe,take care,best wishes🙂
Arthur told me he warned you at least a thousand times to inspect the rigging .
But I also think Arthur might drink to much
Tim Erickson Yeah, Arthur’s liquor cabinet was quite full....
AWESOME!! I was thinking the same thing. Sir Author did advise and warn his servants but they were too busy playing in the fuel tanks, chasing slime and algae. Hmmmmmmmmm, Sir Arthur is not happy with his servants right now.. lol!!
All aside, I love your vids and keeping the king Arthur moments, in your vids, it's a good thing. Its a good mix and should help you get past the 38k subs. I'm rooting for yall and wish you the best.. love your channel.
@@m.sawmill3136 art has been pissing on it for years
Don’t beat yourself up to bad, this item is often overlooked. In the years of my running my family’s boatyard I think we serviced maybe 6 boats in total with regard to chain plates. I would check with your insurance company if there is any coverage. One item I would highly suggest would be to have the rigging company check all the chain plates & mounting bolts. I would highly suggest that the mast be removed from the vessel and given a full inspection. Check all the standing rigging, also check the requirements from the insurance company, how many years on the standing rigging before they require replacement ? The insurance company may cover the removal of the mast for the inspection ?
Good luck, let the viewers know what happens with the mast and the insurance company ? If there is any coverage.
It looks to me that the break is along an old weld repair. If that happened on a longer cruise you could do a temporary repair be drilling a new hole in the lower long piece and bolt it on up several screw holes. I keep a small 140 amp IGBT welder aboard and 2mm 316 SS rods for that very kind of failure.
If you can always use seizing wire to increase redundancy and use amalgam rubber tape on turnbuckles.check all your seacocks you don’t want to be lazy there do you have bungs at the ready,remember things happen in threes
Life is Like Sailing has a great vid where he goes through how he checks his chainplates, removing the deck cover annually. Worth a watch by all.
Glad you guys were reasonably near the port! That was also a rare glimpse of a nervous King... 🤣 that huge yacht with the baby yacht attached to it made another appearance, I see.
I hope you pull them all out a check them. I was on a ct 54 when the mast step broke due to dryrot. The mast dropped a foot down. All the riggings went slack. We weren’t sure what had happened at first. It was pretty scary. We were able to limp in to Tortola and have the mast pulled out
God bless becare full we love man
⛵ So happy that you are okay. That could have been really bad. Stay well and happy.
Remember to pull out the plates for inspection, stainless does that and it is not your fault. It rusts where it is in contact with something. Try hitting the bolts, usually it rusts from the inside out.
WHAT... ?? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It only does that if the idiot who repairs it the first time overheats the part and cooks all the Chromium out of it. Then it will rust judging by the black flux left on the inside they stick welded it and were not competent enough to repair it correctly. I worked in a shipyard and 316 or 304 doesnt do that just because it feels like it
And if your referring to Bi- metal corrosion thats usually because of electrolysis all those metal parts exposed outside build up a static charge with the wind and water blowing past them and are supposed to be grounded to the ground strap in the hull on fiberglass boats.
Don't beat yourself up too much. This is how you learn, sometimes we fail. All in all the impact was low and no one was hurt. Fix it and move on.
Glad you made it back to port safely
I think the alcohol rising out of that a Liquor Cabinet probably ate thru the stainless!🤪.
As mentioned, looks like there was a weld there, a bad weld.
Interesting video, good eye opener for me. Glad the outcome while at sea turned out well.
After watching your last video, it convinced me to remove my chain plates and inspect/replace.
You were taken those bottles out of your liquor cabinet I started laughing because I could only see Kelly pass him back through from the other side
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That’s boat life think ahead , deal with the crap then ..... or wait till it breaks and deal with the repercussions .. glad it worked out for yall & yall made it back to port
I also have a 45' Morgan (1991) and will be checking these out very soon if not sooner. Based on Arthur's displeasure on the sail, I would suspect sabotage by the King.
A lesson to be learned by everybody.
Sure looks like that chainplate has been welded at some point in it's life, looks like there's a welding seam on it and seems that's the area that failed.
Oh my gosh!!?? That's why www.MackYachtServices.com recommends chainplates replaced if over 15-20 yrs old..we redid ours. Sorry you have to deal with this. #svIslandSpirit
Doh! at least you won't go thirsty...
Stainless steel is very prone to crevice corrosion and it mostly happens where you can't see.
Respect 🤝
LOOK at all those Full bottle's. This sailing hobby is getting in the way of some serious drinking. LOL
It was like the clown car of liquor cabinets😀
Thank God you didn't loose the mast. That would have cost you a lot more than replacing all of the stainless steel chainplates now. Good Luck
Yeah, looked welded before...
Good you are safe but what a fright.
That salt just sat there and took its time.
I am sure the riggers will have a suggestion for sealing it better.
Just a suggestion but I think you should have put on life jackets after the failure especially as you weren't sure if anything else was going to break.
Well, at least your booze looker wasn't filled with white claw. I bet that booze came in handy during the lockdown.
Is it the camera or does that plate have a weld repair on it right at the failure point? if it was welded then a small imperfection in the weld will allow a crack and corrosion to propagate causing the failure. This type of failure is why a standing rigging inspection should be performed every 10 years, turnbuckles, rigging, pins, anchors etc. And yes you are very lucky you were in the conditions you were as these failures usually happen in conditions with extreme stress on the mast a lot of times causing it to come down. Happy it worked out for you guys.
Definitely not welded. What you’re seeing may be a line of butyl rubber where the chainplate entered the deck.
We had it on ours, pinged under significantly more load though and 22 miles offshore - changed them all, just in case!!
I couldn't really tell, but did it look like there was a previous repair.
Exactly the same happened on my chain plate but further down where it bolts to the bulkhead. Ended up replacing them all. Some of the chain plates were rotting from the inside out upon closer inspection.
Kelly Doll, I was going to commend you for staying so calm during the emergency but after Nick emptied the cabinet, well I will say no more. You still look great though : )
very lucky
Better near Port than 1/2 way across the Pacific. Yes you were lucky.
Now I know where the term "drunken sailor" comes from.
Glad the structural failure happened in a manageable way
You're right about the butal tape. A polysulfide or 4200 would be better for your chainplates.
Arthur and Kelly are awesome...who's the janitor?
Hey! 😡
@@SailingSatori 😀🍻. 🍹👍
@@SailingSatori I enjoy all three ,its a great channel. Hope your chain plates are all OK!!
Pretty light chain plate for 800 ft.sq of sail. Maybe go up a thickness and get new bolts. If you see any corrosion on a bolt toss it. It's probably worse than what your eyeball can see. Crevice corrosion is insidious and you really need to pull and inspect your chain plates every 10 years or so. My last two boats each had some issue with chain plates from corrosion. Any bonding wires? I've had very good success with 3M 4000 UV as a sealer.
It certainly looks like someone repaired that once before. Isn't that a weld on the break point? Maybe they didn't do it right or properly clean the surfaces before welding.
It’s almost like your chainplates are made from Chinesium steel 😬
would not think 316 would do that, 304 yes.
This too shall pass......
That chain stay looks as if it was welded at this same crack before, and that weld was far more easily attacked by galvanic action due to dissimilar weld rod or weld. The alloy of welding rod or wire was picked no doubt by the same engineer that thought a weld was better than replacing all the chain plates.
I bet all the chain plates are to be replaced.
This is a wake up call to check all force bearing componenets
Or maybe its just corrosion in the well just below deck as said in the video.
Sure looks like that was welded before? Guess it was tacked for the deck plate? No welds would be better.
30 year old bolts need to have all their chain plates removed and inspected. It is the invisible anaerobic places that are the doom of stainless steel. But you know that now.
That chain plate almost looks like it has weld on it.... Like someone tried to do a repair before...
I like your intro tune. Where did you get it? I want to make a ring tone on my phone with it.
That chain plate is scary. Salt water/air is unbelievable how it corrodes "everything". Thanks for videos and be careful out there. Thinking about that breaking, what would be the plan for a temp fix? What if cable broke? ruder broke off? They say plan for the worst
The plate looks like it had been welded at one time, or is that just the rust?
I thought that also.
@@ontiltsailingdalehudson7170 I guess not welded. Only an idiot would weld a chainplate - or someone in emergency, of course).
It is total rust. It takes years for this to happen and why chain plates should be replaced every 20-25 years. Such corrosion is very common.
Definitely not welded. What you’re seeing may be a line of butyl rubber where the chainplate entered the deck.
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Thanks Patrick, I thought it was a emergency weld job from a previous owner hidden away. I could understand how using the wrong rod would in a pinch caused the plate to rust over time. I'm glad they're ok.
just use superglue and duct tape it will be fine
Is there some type of weld slag on the top of the chain plate or is that just some sealant that was gobbed on it, it's in the shot when you are rubbing on the chain plate with the needle nose pliers @12:38.
I think King Arthur's been Using that as a fire hydrant that's why it broke when you guys were sleeping hes up there doing the naughty just seen Vegas bill peace out
I love when we get the look if you ask your wife to help, that look
As I like to say: We learn by doing.
This has been 30 years in progress, all boats with internal chain plates has this issue. Millennial falcon had to do it also.
How do those bottles not break underway?
Here’s the secret... got to keep the cabinet packed full. Not an easy task 🤪
That's not corrosion it's looks like stainless steel so doubt about corrosion (or chinsenium so corroded) xD
That's was a mechanical faults! to much plays on steel plate and broke on wigiwigi site of sealant ;)
Eye opener. Thanks
That’s what you guys need, another boat to hold your current boat 😝. Sail on sailor.
go titanium...
0I think that the rust stains on deck surrounding the chain plates should have been a screaming clue to check it out. You were lucky you didn't lose yojr mast.
Where’s there is rust , there’s Corrosion but none of your metal parts were connected to your sacrificial anode. You have to use a meter. Have ever thought when you are at the marina to use a cathode system
That chain plate was poorly welded so it was obviously broken once before.
Chain plates are not welded, they are always on long piece of stainless steel. Water had collected at deck level causing crevices corrosion and acting like termites. It is a common problem with chain plates.
Could be worse, the gigantic booze closet might have been damaged.
That was a log time in the progres of corrosion! I guess stainless steel issen't so "stainless".....!!!!!
It needs oxygen to be stainless.
It’s stain less, not stain proof😉
Time to consider exterior chain plates?
That wasn't pretty bad, that was UGLY bad! If that is stainless steel, it must be poor quality. If it isn't stainless, should it be?
Good stainless rusts under the right conditions. The chain plate is the right condition for rust...
5200 dude... butyl tape belongs on dry land cheif
5200...Seriously?
Agree, 5200 is a “glue”