TAYANA - Episode 149 - Lady K Sailing
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Bob Perry once told me " weight is the enemy " ! I took his statement to heart and managed to remove 600 lbs of stuff out of the bow ( v berth, chain locker and what was hanging off the bow sprit and the Forestay. ) I switched down to a 120% Yankee hankon from the existing roller furling and followed suit with a diet in the stern taking off 140 pounds.
The boat came alive both in speed and tracking abilities. It was not unusual to not touch the helm for 45 minutes at a time and she never hobbyhorsed.
Of the 24 boats I owned in 40 years of sailing, without a doubt the best bluewater craft I have ever had.
Follow what the Master Designer said on this and you will be amazed.
Thanks for the great video!
" Beyond All Things Is The Sea
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Bob Perry had nothing to do with the Westsail 32. Don’t know where you got that. He certainly doesn’t take credit for it. The hull form is nothing like any Perry design. The WS32 is a spin on an older Atkin design which was itself a spin on an even older Archer design. Westsail had William Crealock make changes to the deck layout, thus Crealock often is given credit for it. But Crealock himself admitted his contribution to the overall design was minimal. The Westsail 32 is basically an old wooden boat design which was updated a bit to be built in fiberglass. You are correct however that it did spark the popularity of the double ender blue water cruiser in the 1970’s
I’m a Carter owner and fan of his. My understanding is that Perry drew inspiration from the ws32, mixed it up with Carter’s speed tricks and created the Valiant.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westsail_32
Good stuff. I own A 1986 37 Tayana Pilot House. Simply love it, As A single handed, offshore cruiser it's hard to beat, when inside the Pilot house I'm, dry and comfortable. That is priceless for me, where my boat shines is the motion in large waves and Perry gave the boat generous sail area and surprises people in light wind. Everywhere I go I get complements on how nice she looks. I love the teak down below, yes, they have a few problems, but the support is amazing, every problem you might have someone else has fixed it, which for the do-it-yourself sailor is very helpful. Again, great review, is this the perfect boat for everyone. no, but she is the perfect boat for me. Cheers
Let me know if you're interested in selling?
4:50, Skua, the star of sailing Kitiwake, right here on youtube, if you want to know more.
Time for a top 10 video!
This video is informative and well researched. I own a Tayana 37 and I would like to add to your description of the cockpit. The small cockpit is to prevent taking on massive volumes of water when sailing in high latitudes, which can rapidly compromise the stability of a vessel. I sailed a Cal 20 from San Diego to Hawaii and the large cockpit volume was of great concern. The philosophy of a Baltic stern is to deal with large following seas and prevent excessive surfing when breaking waves hit the transom; the aesthetics are secondary. Interior teak requires minimal maintenance due to lack of UV exposure. Yes the exterior teak is a bit excessive in terms of adding unnecessary maintenance, some AwlGrip the rail but we have ours varnished.
The 37 is nice, but the one I'd have would be the Vancouver 42, especially after watching a couple of years worth of Millenial Falcon. Also, the 37 has a following, and the 42 less so, so you might find a 42 in comparable shape for a comparable price to a 37.
Yes, we sail a t42. Aft cockpit. Much drier and comfortable at sea. It's an absolute tank. I recommend them highly. Huge tankage, and great galley. Ours is a 1988. No teak decks which I like the most.
The Taiwanese people know how to build a yacht. The Tayana and Baba are some of the most beautiful yachts ever built.
I sailed on a friends 54 foot tyana for 10 yrs. Everything about the vessel was spot on!
I just found out a marina within an hours drive of me, on a huge lake 'along' the Tennessee River, has uncovered slips for sailboats for only $5.50 a foot/month! (I hope that's not a typo on their website, lol.) 😁
This boat is beautiful. In my book, it's not a 'real' sailboat without a lot of teak. I just love the Old World feel of the traditional layouts.
Once again I have to thank you for this series explaining all the different sailboat brands and what they are known for. It really helped me narrow down the choices of boats out there. Now I have my first boat, an Endeavor 32, in part because of this series. I appreciate you sharing all of this knowledge.
Amazing boat!!! Congrats
@@LadyKSailing Thanks! Your video about Endeavor Yachts was spot on by the way. I found everything you said was accurate. I’m having the time of my life now. Fair winds to you and maybe someday we’ll cross paths on the water.
Tayana is one one my favorite boats. The other is Cabo Rico from Costa Rico. Some of the most beautiful and most capable boats out there.
I had never considered the Tayana for a boat till I saw this guy filming heavy weather in the atlantic! The motion actually looked like something that was handle-able vs watching my buddy in a Alberg 30! Comfort ratio on this boat confirmed the idea!
I have always wanted a Tayana since I first saw one in the late 70's. The dream boat for me would be a 48DS.
Always love the channel and info on the different boat makes. Seriously helpful when considering your first purchase 👍
Thanks!
Looking for a good cruiser for Lake Erie. I'm going to check out your vid on Catalina. I think you did one if I remember correctly. You have a nice niche going Tim. Between you and Captain Q, we will all learn a great deal.
Catalina 27? That would work really well!
@@LadyKSailing I have a 1975 C&C 25' but I feel I want something in the 35-38 range. More comfortable and safe?
Love these videos, cant wait to get out on the water one day.
This is one I’ve been waiting for! Thanks 😊
About time we got to Tayana. 😀
Bravo! The Taiwanese boats are often overlooked, but they should not be. A testament to the quality that was coming from there is just how many are still out there sailing. I typically see them in either excellent condition or really tired, but even the really tired ones are worth a look. I prefer the Formosa or F50 versions more than the double ended Tayana, but it is hard to not admire those beautiful lines.
Just came across your channel. Nice videos and subjects. Thanks!
Tayana and the Ta Yang yard made a lot of boats besides the T37. They made 202 of the Robert Harris designed Tayana Vancouver 42 of which I am happy to own one. The T48 and T52s are also fantastic boats. The T37s were not without their problems. Wet cores in foredecks and chain plates and knee issues. But teak decks on some boats aside they do make great, true blue water boats.
Thank you for this video. I continue to look at the Tayana 37. I think of Tayana as the Asian Island Packet. They are both built for ocean crossings with comfort and safety. IP may be a little better finished and a bit more modern in recent boats. But, they seem so close to the same basic mentality.
I am purchasing a sailboat as soon as I sell my house.
I had in my youth a marine repair business.
I don't remember the layup of most boats.
Can you include in your outline of the boat your reviewing is solid fiberglass hand layup or chopper gun cored balsa or other in deck and hull.
I enjoy your delivery,
stay safe
A great follow up would be a video on the Baba line. Popular boats, lots sold, been everywhere, Perry design.
Hi Tim, Guess who just bought a Tayana 37 Pilothouse cutter. Chris and Sarah Shaw
For blue water sailing ⛵ double ended boats are the best. In following sea it not only cuts through it goes up and over. Unlike square sterns
Dave where have you sailed in 30 foot seas and 60 plus knots to gain this knowledge.
@@philandlyndachristieson8808 Caribbean 1500 Norfork to st Thomas northern wind in October in the Gulfstream. Was fun
@@daveyoung3880 I only asked because it means that its more than something you've only read. I think it 6 times for us. Windora is flat sterned as you put it but double ended at the water line. She has never had green water on deck or ever been pooped, even surfing between 15 and 20 knots had never broached. We had some fun also in the gulf stream 200 miles northwest of Bermuda. I have few friends with double enders that have been pooped, because they lack the buoyancy to lift, but being cruisers they'll be heavy or down on their marks. Phil
They are extremely comfortable at anchor compared to the lighter modern designs, comfortable and safe at sea too. Timeless beauties. Their keel is also very safe when you accidentally go bumping the bottom and the cutaway and narrow fin profile makes her surprisingly fast once they get moving.
Personally, if i had to do it again, I would look at the modified fin wth skeg Perry boats, like the Passport or the Valiant, you gain a bit more agility and loose little.
Those looking at Tayanas, also check out the Baba's, which are very similar Perry designs.
@Lady K Sailing - I really enjoy you boat summaries. And especially, that you get into the affordable classic plastic. One I miss is the Contessa (both the 26 and 32) from Willy Kerr's Assent to John Kretschmer's Gigi to the 2019 "Longue Route" solo-non-stop circumnavigation of Pierre Huglo .... I feel, it just deserves coverage. I mean, it's hard to come up with a type that comes close to the operational history.
I had a friend with a Tayana 37..great boat.. very comfortable.. not a day sailor
Having the fuel tank in the bow reminds me of a builder who is use to building workboats, trying to equalize the boats weight when sailing empty and leaving the midship available to put weight on when loaded. Still they are beautiful and is one of the ones I would love to sail.
Our 42 has tanks bellow the floor aft of engine. Water tanks bellow floor aft of the mast step. Holding tank in front of mast step. Very well balanced
Their boats seem legit and thats why they hold their value so well. I saw one video where the owner had neglected their Tayana and it had leaks and mold all over, very painful to see someone mistreat a great boat that could have been cared for by someone else that deserves it.
Sailing Kittiwake had a Tayana 37
Re-did the rigging on a 37 & been aboard a few. They’re OK IF in good condition- they’re called ‘Leaky Teakies’ for a reason. Typically the examples I’ve worked on smell like Mold & Diesel fuel. Not very large on the interior & system access is a lil’ tight. They do feel like an Adventure-mobile though😛
Love my Baba 30! Bob Perry designed, and still does design, so many great boats. The Tayana is great but if I went bigger the Valient 40 would be my pick. Oh and my water tanks are split between both settees along with a waste tank and my diesel tank is under the floor just ahead of the engine.
My father bought a mariner 32 in 1977 1 year after the molds where shipped to CA. Had it for 40 yrs
Really enjoy your reviews. I relate to reviews like this on a realistic size and price boat for cruising. Not interested for me in the million dollar machine. Would love to see some future reviews on a Contessa 32 and the opposite Westsail 32.
Bro, I really enjoy your videos. I appreciate that you go into the past of the design, the company, and more info then is presented by others. Had to do a tad of searching on the Tayana. Of course like most folks I was aware of them. Seen them, and love the looks. What I did not know till your video is that today you can can still order a new Tayana 37, or 44 or 58 and others. They are custom builds, cost a bit, hold their value like a Swan. I have a request for you. Could you do a video on the Fisher Fairways Motor Sailers. The 37 Fisher just makes my heart beat faster, my palms sweat, and takes my breath away. A lot like Debbie Wise did in the 9th grade. Be happy, be safe.
I sailed on a Tatyana often . Great sailing boats , however it takes 10 k to get moving.. I considered buying one . The big drawback is the real small cockpit
would love you to do a vlog on camper and Nicholson boats from Southampton England thanks for you work brother
Totally agree tayanas always had that classic rugged seaworthy look you see a journey of a million miles when you look at one,beautiful lines and solid,hence why I watched your video when it popped up,you put my thoughts on these boats right into words,funny that,i have a bermuda 30 built by Cheoy Lee in hongkong (hence her name "china girl") sometime between 62 and 67 yet to find out her history via numbers carvings and inscriptions throughout the boat each one had personalised carvings that apparently all meant something apparently goes back to what yard it was built in and which team built it,very interesting looking forward to finding out....also please dont forget Kiwi boats we had some of the best designs and boats in the world,farr,young,Townson,Hartley
Robert's,Davidson,ganley,Ross,whiting,Wright,gladden,,Morgan,Stewart
Lambert and a few others all had many designs and size variations to their names,thought they were all worthy of a mention,thanks for sharing,happy sailing
I watch your videos all the time and your great but my favorite boat is the Hans Christian 48T center Cockpit the rear birth is amazing and the Pullman birth is just as good , she sails good and all her tanks are in the keel and her lead also , they didn’t make her in a ketch but her sister ship the 43 they did . Do a review on this boat please ! Thank you P.S. I had a 1984 Hunter 34 for 12 years my first boat I learned a lot in those years and the Hunter was very nice for our first boat !
love your videos, have you thought about doing one on Hans Christian... I've been researching these as well as Tayana... so far they are the two boats that jump out to me as value and seaworthy
and of course I love everything 'Bob'!
You have to do a vid on the Formosa 51. 😉 With all the movies and such.
7:11 Why flew to Chiayi? The boat yard was located in Kaoshiung.
Cheers
Great video Tim, gotta love these "salty" classics. Seems like there is always some liveaboards on a Tayana in every distant port. (At least in the videos I've seen!) Any chance you might consider an All You Need to Know on Southerly?
The elephant in the room with any Taiwan boat is teak decks. Water leaks into the cored subdeck via the fastener screws. Subdeck gets wet and turns punky resulting in co$tly repairs. Get is surveyed!
Please do a episode on the Dockrell 27.. it's a very popular small blue water boat with a long keel that is a bit flared at the bottom to hold boat upright on shore when out of water. Super cool boat that reminds me of a cape dory 28 just a bit different.
I knew they were from Taiwan.. when they come in New
. The cradles are all teak!
Really missed some scandinavian boatyards like Swan or Najad on the list of well known sea worthy yachts.
Haha!..backs up like a drunken elephant!think that was from CZcams video skua?great videos-hope to see more
I met Robert Perry one day and spent about 4 hours talking boat design with him.
Thanks a lot man I really appreciate all the information you share! How long before we see you back out on the water? Are you staying dry for the winter or heading south?
I have hull 143 and am in love with her!
Crealock designed west sail 32 I think
- Are you a youtuber?
- Yeah, working in a sweat-shop... :)
hello! nice video, you really go into dept about these boats, i wanted to ask you a question, what do you believe is the best boat to explore the world solo? i would like a boat that has anough space for 2 people but would be easy enough to sail alone, also i know that smaller boats are slower because of hydrodinamics, what size of boat would you suggest that is fast enough to avoid a storm (and to wether it safely) but is small enough to be sailed alone, in other words, what do you believe is the sweet spot? i also don't like to have to maintain wood and don't care much for the looks of an interior (i'm more interested in the "workhorse" design), thank you and any other person who might want to answer me.
Hi, there is no sailboat that is fast enough to avoid storms offshore, unless you wanna spend squillions on an Imoca 60 ;) Best read up on storm sailing tactics and get to a place where you feel comfortable and confident in your abilities in the event. Otherwise, good luck, I am sure you will find your sweet spot with a boat.
I've been eyballing the Tayana 48.
I just bought a 52 they are nice boats
My understanding is they have an incapsulated, iron keel, instead of lead. I'd be bothered that if any water got in, and I have to think it does, my keel is corroding out from under me. Is this not a legitimate concern?
Wasn't the Westsail 32 a William Crealock / Atkin design
yep, not Perry
Practically grew up on a Tayana after the old family wooden ⛵ well, got old. Big sigh.
The Tayana faced a pretty tough crowd. And won, most of, us over. I'll have to wrap this or I'd write a book about her/him. Looved that ⛵.
Great opening.
Drew
What do you think about a S2 8.0 b 1977 as a coastal cruiser
Are we ever going to see lady k in the water again maybe with a certain special guest???
She's in the water but undergoing a refit. You wanna meet the gf?
Have to say I have missed some of your boat work you do a great job of teaching practical day to day boat upkeep and maintainable
should do the passport 42/slocum 43
I would love to hear your opinion on hull based ballast and keel based ballast in sailboats. Cheers!
Robert Perry was big in the 70s??? There were more sailboats built to Robert Perry designs than *any* other boat designer. He designed boats for *everyone* and many of them became outrageously popular and a few are still being built today. Perry lives out near Seattle; just a little ways south of Canada, eh?
lol snarky?
@@LadyKSailing I'm just saying he was big in the 80s, 90s, and even into this century. I'm guessing he's mostly retired, now, but he's still huge in this business, even yet.
Can you do a show on the Tartan? I have a Tartan 34c, 1971. Would love to more about it.
Great video except Bill Crealock of Pacific Seacraft fame designed the Westsail 32, not Bob Perry. I enjoy your content so keep em comin'!
Hey so. About 5 minutes in you refer to the west sail 32 as a Bob Perry boat. No sir, it’s a Bill Créalock / Colin Archer boat.
like your programs how about the islander 36 would love a review
Crealock designed the Westsail 32...I think you said Robert Perry did.
According to the Westsail 32 page on Wikipedia, the original design was by Atkins, although Crealock was involved in modifying the original lines. You're right ... William Perry had nothing to do with Westsail.
@@jimb6208 Robert Perry did design a boat for Westsail, the Westsail 39. It was right before the company went bankrupt, and they only made 13 before the company folded. The molds were sold, and another dozen or so were sold as Fairweather Mariner 39's, or sometimes listed as Mariner 39's. I always thought that Colin Archer influenced Atkins, who designed a boat for someone else, which was the inspiration for Crealock to design the 32. I have found all 3 names associated with the W32! Not sure who actually gets credit, but the final drawings that became the W32 were drawn by William Crealock as best as I know.
Hey Tim... marketed rate here on OUR shores in the US 🇺🇸. Aren't you from America's unspoken 51st state. Canada. It's really not so much an American shore up there.
Love your videos. Anyone ever tell you that you look like Joel Edgerton's twin? (actor)
Perry gets mighty angry when you mention Colin Archer 🤌
Um, sorry but why?
@@drewgibbons4799 massive ego, thinking he’s the only one who has designed seaworthy boats. He did acknowledge stuff earlier on in articles and stuff but now behaving more and more like a man child. And I mean discussion on open platforms like Facebook
@@smulismuli7976
Well that's sad. Wonder what the deal is. I'd think with all his accomplishments...
Thanks for getting back on that.
Drew
Was that a rug?
I went through a storm (worse than a gale) in the Gulf of Mexico in one of these. We were broadsided by massive waves and knocked down, which in a Tayana is not far from a capsize. The sea was white and insane. The boat went through with no problem!
The storm we were in 1994 two of them turned completely over as in 360 degrees. Shirt happens ⛵🌊🌏⛵🌎. Phil
I am always happy to hear about 360’s instead of the alternative 180. But no capsize is good of course.
Timothy to make you feel better as well as the two Westssails 7 more turned completely over 7 were abandoned. Windora was fine just needed a few rums. Phil
@@philandlyndachristieson8808 I experienced some of that queens day storm. I was off newcaledonia on my way to fiji in my 30 footer solo. I only experienced 40 knots. But it was something to arrive in fiji and all the officials thinking I was in it proper . Scary shit
@@evinwhiteson4902 years later and many thousands of miles I came to understand the sea keeping ability of one of Athol Burns finest designs. 🌍⛵️🌏🌊⛵️. Cheers Phil
Seems like you haven’t posted in awhile
I like it more when you speak straight into the camera. The shifting back and forth is really distracting. Love your content and knowledge.
Nicholson 32 £10.500 . And I'm over 6ft
It must be hot up north. You hair got lighter. Never seen any of this boats, other than in pictures.
You're getting a bit dramatic with your delivery. I love your videos, and these are your videos so you can do what you want with them. Just giving you some feedback. What do I know...
Do you still have Lady K ? Do you go sailing this year ? Haven't seen any videos of you on the water for a long time .... Hope all is well.
Cheers !!
SV HYDRA - Passages
"I have to be very careful not to get it wrong" but you attribute the Westsail to Bob Perry? Your review did no justice to the Tayana, especially the Perry designs. You called the Island Packet a battleship and referred to the Tayana as the aircraft carrier in another video. Would have been a perfect opportunity to elaborate!
Robert Perry relied on heavy everything as a bandaid over a proper holistic design. We can all design bricks yet bricks don’t sail very well.
I sailed one from Sydney AUS to Brisbane in 1992, and I am from the US.😁🛫
Tayana is a great boat. I have a Tayana 52. Plenty of room.
Haha!..backs up like a drunken elephant!think that was from CZcams video skua?great videos-hope to see more