This Will KILL Your CPU & AIO Cooler! How To Install Cooler
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- This Will KILL Your CPU & AIO Cooler! How To Install Cooler
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Do not kill your AIO cooler or CPU! Install and Orientation is important! How are you guys doing?
I have the same case. Most fun case to mod
@@vash9852 for sure
If i put a 240 aio infront and i have 3 120 fans infront of the system unit case. The 3 front fans direction would be air intake, then the direction of 2 fans of the aio would be what? still the same with the 3 front fans?
I have one question: In my PC case (Sharkoon Nightshark RGB), the power supply sits on top of the whole thing. Can I just mount the water cooling radiators there or will it block anything?
@@sm0k0r666 correct
This is what happens when "youtubers" jump on the hype of other videos... Almost all the pictures labeled as "wrong!" are perfectly fine...
Lol yup I fucking love everyone calling this guy out cause he’s being such a douche about it in comments
@@phizzledUP I hate how CZcams disabled dislikes I just upgraded from an m22 to a kraken x53 and didn't know to follow this or not because of dislikes
it makes it really confusing for new people coming into the pc scene and trying to get into aios and such, I spent a day asking groups and watching videos and everyone had a different opinion.
Yup people watch gamers nexus and become phd in thermodynamics
@@ribertdun6402 it does and he got this info from gamers nexus aka tech Jesus. He later made a second video telling ppl to chill the f out.
Basically you want the pump (the thing that goes on your cpu) below the top of the radiator (thing w fins where the hoses are). So basically keep pump below the top of the loop. Even if you can’t do this, I promise you, nothing bad will happen. Gamers Nexus even says, if you can’t do the tubes at the bottom it’s not a big deal
If the pump isn't the highest point of the loop it's not an issue. Don't spread false knowledge ;)
I think pumps go bad because the pump is on the cpu block and it gets hot
@@andremartin8045 a temperature that kills a pump will have killed a CPU many times already ;)
I'm talking about with time not right instant I know when I game for about 4 hours straight my cpu reaches up to 80°c while gaming after a year of owning the same cooler and I own a intel i9 10900k
@@andremartin8045 everything dies with enough time. Have seen enough normal fans die as well a pump with enough liquid can go for ages.
For real! I watched this video while installing an AIO for the first time and I was literally shitting myself because my tubing would have had an incredible amount of stress going downwards, I debated ripping it out and just switch to a brick cooler. Thank gosh I looked to Reddit and watched Jayz video on pumps.
Let me give you a great ideea and maybe you'll stop bashing people just because got in the "bash train" after you saw GN's video. ( Because i'm pretty sure you weren't even commenting a single word before that video about the orientation ). Go ahead and purchase a transparent plexi-radiator with a pump ( a general one, not PC related ) and test orientations and observe what does what. Your argument about doing 20+ years of computers is doing nothing since you are clearly in denial of the fact that it's OK ( and actually totaly fine ) to have pipes up, as long as the pump is lower. Please, do some damn basic research in fluid, air and thermodynamics and stop telling people that literally over a decade of AIO's has been wrong just because Steve told us some info about a "more optimal" orientation. Stop being toxic. PS: It's your word against researchers and propper engineers, why do you even do this... ?
Nope don't watch whomever that is. I am well aware of how this works. You can disagree. I will keep making videos.
N0th is correct. I don't mind people being wrong, but the arrogance of not taking constructive feedback from viewers is so frustrating, especially when this has already been proven
@@Akryl1kz dude..
Watch the Gamer Nexus AIO video…
It’s fine and no air will go to the top because AIR RISES
@@Akryl1kz noob channel
@@Akryl1kz Mechanical engineer here. It is absolutely fine to have the tubes going up so long as the pump is not the highest point in the loop. The amount of air that is initially trapped inside an AIO out of the factory is generally nominal. For enough air to enter the loop (via permeation) and begin to seriously cavitate the impeller of the pump would take several years, which is again generally outside of the design lifecycle of any given AIO (at which point it is the discretion of the user on whether they continue to use the AIO in their system). Would putting the tubes down be beneficial to prolonging the lifespan? Perhaps. Would that result in a drastic difference in performance and lifespan versus tubes up? Nope. It is important to be able to take constructive criticism; I've also built computers for decades but I would never assume to be authority on something that I have not studied and researched extensively. Pumps, on the other hand, are something that I definitely have an authority on :)
To anyone seeing this video. You can front mount the radiator w/ lines up. I’ve done with lines up on countless builds and has never once been an issue, and they’ve lasted for years, and still going. Just don’t put your rad at the bottom.
Unless the pump is integrated with the rad.
Yep make sense because when I tried this just rn my pc suddenly turned off and when I checked my rad hose going to my procie it was so hot…. I waited couple minutes and went back to the original position which is lines up front rad my pc runs smooth af.
Vid with meaningless content
@StephCurry WithTheShot been using my radiator in Florida for ~2yrs...took about that long before the bubbling shit started. Definitely an annoying sound..
@@illeominati did you to intake or exhaust for front fans?
The overall message was right, but if ur pump is lower than the highest point on your radiator than you are pretty much fine unless you have quite a bit of air in your loop. It’s not that bad Because the pull of the pump will not bring air to get stuck in the pump.Great video though, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
Makes sense too. Thanks. I thought someone had told me this a long time ago. Was debating installation on a 240 but Im fine via this logic as pump is lower then the top
@@andrewb5894 dunno if it helps now, but i have the cooler a couple gens. behind his (h100i rgb platinum). I too have it set up the exact same way as him and have had it running in said position since april 2019. Havent ever "fully" cleaned the radiator (hit it with a duster can) and to this day at 100% cpu usage the temps max at 74°. If im not gaming its literally blowing cold air effectively acting as ac lol. He has a point but there's a reason why numerous compies market this setup. It works.
JayzTwoCents explained the same thing. It's annoying how everyone makes such a big fuss about tubes being in the top
It's not fine - the coolant flow is disturbed by the air pocket. The absolut proper way is to keep the air completly above the flow path. This is the same with the circulation pump in a house heating system.
I wish other people could give constructive criticism like this
It doesn't matter as long as you haven't trapped the air in the pump in the first place. Just run it with the rad above the pump for a short time. The lines at the bottom are the best however, not because of air gaps but because of the thermosyphon effect.The pump will pump hot water to the bottom of the rad which, being hot will rise up naturally, assisting the pump. As it cools after the rise up it will sink down the second half of the rad because its denser. this effect reduces stress on the pump and in theory could mean some flow even if the pump isn't running
It is enough if the highest point of the system is somewhere in the radiator. The air doesn't flow downwards with the water, it stays in the uppermost part of the system.
Totally fine to have the AIO pump higher as long as the top of the rad is the highest point in the loop. Some loops aren't physically long enough to reach the CPU if you put the connection to the radiator at the bottom of the case mount. Really need to watch JayzTwoCents vid on this.
This right here all that matters is the top of the radiator is above the pump, does not matter if the tubes are up or down. I have a 3080ti I cannot mount the tubes at the bottom if I wanted to. The only thing you'll find if the tubes are at the top is you may let me say that again MAY get like and aquarium sound once you start to get some air in the line.
That's how my AIO is thermaltake 360 AIO has short tubing so I couldn't do at the bottom same with my MSI Seahawk
Sorry, but Science says you are wrong, lines at the top are fine since air rises, and does not sink....
That is exactly the problem, with the lines at the top, so will the air be at the top which doesnt help the flow of water. I think you didnt listen to what he was saying (and btw hes not the only one saying it.)
@@alxbkers this is such bullshit...
@@alxbkers this vid is simply a copy paste of gamers nexus and jawtwocent. But he should have listened to the whole vid and the explanation video gn did. There they especially said that tubes at the top is okay if the pump is not the highest point. It's only a matter of sound.
You are contradicting yourself. If air rises on top and reach the tubes, that air will be sucked in the pump, no matter where the pump sits. If the air reaches the tubes, is game over.
The pump is far more powerful than gravity.
You can see the principle working in custom loops, where the reservoir has the air on top, away from the tubes.
An AIO is just a simplied form of a custom loop.
@@ares23dc no it doesn't. As the pump is not strong enough. And as the air always sits on the highest point it will stay there.
It's not about lines, it's about pump
Pump must be lower than top part of radiator. So you kind of have a point, but dude
Dude repeated the same thing like 10 times. I wanted to know the correct way to do and he just goes and repeats the same thing again…
Clearly, the correct way is illustrated visually if you w watched.
@@Akryl1kz you're a clown
What would be the best way to mount a nzxt x73 in the h710 case? The way the pump faces doesn't matter as I can rotate the logo, but what is the most proper way to mount it on top of the case to not kill the aio?
Pump's up at the front doesn't matter, air comes in the highest place of the loop so if the top of the rad is higher that the pump it's fine. Pump's down is better but not always compatible if you have a large gpu.
Okay so, let's say, you flipped that rad and as you flipped it some of that air got in the hoses. Now if you got air in the hose, gravity will bring the air to the top of the hoses and into the pump, the air will not go back down the hose to the bottom band into the rad and back to the top of the rad. The only way to make sure it's correct would be to lay the PC on its back so the whole rad is above the pump and the air will push back into the rad
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I’ve had my 360mm radiator mounted in the front for about five years now. Everything is still alive and stays at optimal temps.
Do you have any insight on how to position fans for ur aio, does your case have front fans that you are utilizing as well or no? Wondering if you have four fans on that dual aio or just the two rgb we see in the vid essentially. Hope you see this and thanks for any help!
Hey Alec. I have two front and rear. Push/pull method
Techteamgb did a video on this testing push vs pull vs pushpull.. in the end there's negligible difference like 2c in temp.. just do whatever mounts best for ur case
He's partially right here if you can mount the tubes at the bottom do that but what matters more though is the highest point of the loop is above the block Jayztwocents did a whole TLDR video on this as follow up as well as Steve from Gamers Nexus when everyone watched Steve's original video and tried to imply tubes down was the only proper way to mount the radiator which even Steve admitted is not always possible. You just may get some gurgling noises if the tubes are at the top of the loop which Steve points out as the biggest concern with that configuration. Still though if you want to be absolutely safe mount your AIO at the top of the case. This is the way even Steve recommends if possible. For those saying that's the worst spot you obviously need to look into your intake fans because there should be plenty of cool air constantly moving into the case. Steve also mentioned in his follow up even the incorrect way I.E block at the top of the loop rad at the bottom which is really the only way that will prematurely destroy your AIO if that's the only way it'll fit looking at you Phanteks Shift case then you just gotta roll the dice. Also permeation will happen regardless of how your loop is setup.
This is funny af. It does not matter if tubes are up or down as long as the pump is lower than the top of the rad.
Incorrect
@@Akryl1kz you are the one thats wrong here lol, its fine
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Yeah Buddy is correct. As long as the pump isn't at the top of the loop, you are good.
This video isn't entirely correct.
Actually, it did matter, but not apply in all case...and either the way, your system will be fine if you didn’t go crazy on OC and high pump speed.
i just inherited my first water cooled system its mounted in the top tubes down but what is odd to me is it is sandwiched between two fans both blowing towards the coolers radiator this seems counter intuitive to me is this ok or do i need to reverese the fan pulling air into the the radiator from outside so that it will actually exhaust?
i might be wrong but wont putting the radiator as shown in the video make the pump the highest point?
The thumbnail in the video is actually completely okay to do... as long as the pump isn't higher than the rad. Jay two cents talked about this and corrected it
I have been building computers for 22 years. My way is textbook. It's the "correct way" just because your "fine" doing it the other way doesn't make it the proper way. Just because a CZcams has a ton of subscribers doesn't make them a genius or the best. There are plenty of guys I know in the industry that are better and smarter than any CZcams person and they setup coolers exactly like in my video. Forget "popular" posts and videos. That doesn't make it right.
@@Akryl1kz Your way is just as " right" as tubes up because IT DOES NOT MATTER.
I agree. Air will work it’s way to the highest point. As long as your pump isn’t the highest point you are fine. Worked on cars and industrial equipment that use water pumps. Most of the examples that he said are wrong are actually fine.
@@Akryl1kz congratulations after that many years of your life you still dont know how air works👏
@@MrBugl17 incorrect period
Just keep the pump below the top on the rad, so the air doesn't have to go through it. Very hard to do this wrong unintentionally, rad orientation will make a lifespan difference but it's negligible.
You don't "know" this, you watched a video by a famous youtuber claiming it. Buy multiple systems with the exact same hardware then run them for several years and record the results. Then you will know if it is truly negligible. The fact is, no one here is denying that tubes down is the better way of mounting, so why would you even bother mounting it in a sub-optimal way?
I have a 120mm for a CPU Pump what position should I use? The one in the video or the other way?
How do you feel about the mounting in the AZZA pyramid case 804 I’m putting a 360Mm radiator in it
As long as the top of the physical dimensions of the system is above the pump/block, you should be fine. You have to think of the entire thing as one water tank. The line can be up, but it's *more optimal* for them to be down, but it doesn't really matter as long as the pump itself is not the highest point in the system. Slightly below is fine, dead even is dicey, above is not ok
Youre right 👍
I assume your pump is gurgling by now, given your opinion...
The youtuber you took this knowledge from builds brand new pcs on a regular basis, they would not have a single computer around long enough like the typical consumer to see the negative effects of mounting orientation.
Wow what a pile of misinformation
Do you have any videos on removing and flipping the radiator? I have this issue but don’t know how to uninstall just the radiator and flipping it
I agree to the way you pointed, installing the radiator on the top, with the pump on the bottom of the loop, but what didn't get is, how the pump would draw air, since it's a water pump, well sealed, or otherwise if it draws air, it wouldn't work it's optimum efficiency, or might fail, I thing the reason mounting it downside the loop is to minimize the water head below it, which has something to do with hydraulics, means the whole height of the water in the pipe should be above the pump, not below it, so it can circulate without overloaded( for a water pump, pumping water is easier than suction, unless it's a sump pump, which is meant for sumps), IMAO, this is how I understand how all water pumps generally operates.
I've had my 360mm radiator installed on the front of my case, lines up for three years, no problems, and still have great temps.
Can you hear any noise coming from the radiator? I want my machine as quiet as possible.
@@firstspar Nope.
@@chs_ambs8356 cheers. Trying to decide between a noctua nh-u12s and a kraken 360mm aio
@@firstspar I have a Corsair H150i. Either one of the ones you mentioned would be a great choice.
@@firstspar you should consider Arctic solutions, very good temp and zero noise.
As long as the top of the pump is BELOW the bottom part of the tubes, it is okay. Better if the tubes coming out of the pump is above the pump. If not, make sure no air or bubbles got trapped in the pump by moving or shaking the pump while the tubes are up.
By physics law, air bubbles will be pushed by the water and WILL stay on the very top of the construct. Which is the inlet tube of the radiator. Refer to the original setup of this video.
The outlet from radiator will always be free of air bubbles in this way.
So do the exact opposite of what he says in this video lol
Doesn't matter about the tubes, it matters about the highest point of the rad aswell, since air will naturally try to go to the highest point, as long as your pump is below the highest point on he rad it will work fine.
@@mikerzisu9508 czcams.com/video/DKwA7ygTJn0/video.html
@@mikerzisu9508 guy in video is a fool
I mount my aio in the front hoses at the top and pump slightly below the top. I just make sure the lines coming out are at 3 o clock and lines pointing down. No issues.
Hey, awesome video. Which GPU(manufacturer) is that?
as long as the pump is lower than the highest point of the rad its fine
i have thermaltake suppressor f1 case that have motherboard installed at the bottom, whitch radiator position should i install ?
ps: sorry, english is not my first language :")
👋 No worries. Top or front
for intel LG1200, NextH510flow: A bit confused, when installing it vertically towards the front of the case, does the radiator go facing inward or facing out?
So the screw holes on my MOBO matched up with my cooler so i just screwed it directly to it. Should i have used the attached risers, is this going to be an issue?
We would like to see some actual test results for noise decibels and cooling performance for all the different installation orientations. A 5 or 10 degrees or decibel difference would be interesting to know for mounting the cooler at 3 or 6 o'clock.
the tech jesus. look for gamers nexus
@@tontoloubiru5340 found it. he talks about it and shows the multiple correct orientation ways, but still i'd like to see actual test results for temperatures en noise production for THE best orientation.
But he’s built “1000 computers in last 10 years” he knows what he’s saying don’t question it
@@phizzledUP lol sheep
I guess multimillion dollar companies with staffing of developers and engineers don't know what they're doing. Other CZcamsr's and sources have already said side mounted loop on top is perfectly fine. Top radiator mount is best. But if so many manufacturers are doing the side mount. I'm certain there's no problem.
There isnt. This guy is saying its wrong with his pictures but as long as the highest point of rad is above the pump your fine. Basically this guy doesnt fully understand what hes talking about.
@@TSyoyo He watched a couple minutes of gamers nexus video and decided to pick on others based on his limited knowledge even though he is for the most part wrong
@@big_b2850 so you are saying Steve is wrong??? That’s what you are going with instead?? OK makes sense
@@phizzledUP No. I'm simply pointing out Joseph Corey's limited knowledge on the subject. I'm agreeing with Steve and Jay which they both have done the adequate research to make statements on the correct AIO installation, in correlation to joseph whom has not. This is why I point out that joseph has simply "watched a couple minutes of gamers nexus video".
@JOSEPH COREY
How is that NZXT picture wrong? The loop is above the pump isn’t it? Let’s say they couldn’t have the hose at the bottom. So don’t know how it’s wrong if it’s above the pump tho? So conflicting n confusing
Got a question guys, i have a Corsair Carbide 175r RGB and it's pretty small tower, but it's still possible to mount a 360mm aio on front, my question is : can I mount the radiator behind the screw plate mount and fan in front of that plate ? This will leave like 0.3/0.4mm between fans and radiator. I hope this very little space won't affect the airflow and dissipation of heat ( btw the 360mm aio is an Arctic Freezer 360 RGB )
Doesn’t matter as long as your pump isn’t the highest point in the loop.
Solution: put your pump radiator on the roof of your case, routinely top out your pump’s fluid and try using coolant instead of water, since water tends to evaporate more inside of AIO coolers. I think that solves most of the main issues.
on the roof is the worst spot because the fans blow the warm air from the PC through the Rad. The front is the best spot
@@Nynexx but the front is Hella ugly plus my NXZT is black with no RGB while the rest of my back and 3 front fans are RGB but not NZXT 360MM LCD aio so Ima put it on top plus I think it looks better that way smh
@@1Himiko7Toga depends on the one and case tbh
What if you can't mount it on the top
@@Nynexx Which isn't really a problem.
I installed mine on the top and the first thing I did was running a 4h load-test (19-10850K).
CPU Never went over 40°C (With the graphics card (Zotax Amp Extreme 1080 Ti at the time) being at 68°C).
I have 3x180mm Fans pulling Air out to the front and one 120mm fan pulling in from the back though (wish I could reverse this setup, but doesn't fit the other way round in my case).
My Main concern were GPU crashes I had in the previous case due to heat though - I don't overclock, so I just wanted to redirect one of the heatflows outside without going past the other components first and for that pulling out to the top worked best.
If you have 4x GTX 3090 installed in your case (exaguration :) ), you probably should not set it up this way though.
What I am saying is:
Think about what you are trying to acomplish before setting up your fans. And also run a test - especially if you are using your systems professionally (which most people with this kind of hardware probably don't) under load.
Hello sir. I ordered nxzt h7 elite and 360 kraken rgb but then i noticed on some forums that it will not fit in front. I cant search more about that. Soo if i put kraken on top of that case will it fit ? Bcs case have 3x140 in front but kraken is 3x120 or ?
Just bought a Thermaltake view 71 case wit Thermaltake aio. I didn't realised he had rad outlets st top? The pump was under these outlets. However air sits at top of rad so it definitely had air through it. I'm hoping the pump doesn't need water to lubrication the bearings? Thanks for sharing
Learned something new today!
learn nothing , need only the pump to be lower whit 1cm and is enough to trap air in radiator and not the pump and work fine this no problem . This guy make it so dramatic ..at this point is stupid
Incorrect. Lines is NOT the correct way. Thats a fact. Air will collect in the highest point of the loop. If the pump is correctly placed and NOT at the top of the loop that means the radiator will be the top of the loop and if the lines are up, air gets into the lines. Thats mathematical facts. Not going to argue it. Do what you want with your PC but this is pure fact.
@@Akryl1kz If the tubes are down will the air travel down the radiator to the pump? No it will collect on top of radiator because pump is not strong enough to force the air down the radiator. If the tubes are up will the air coming into the radiator travel down the radiator back up to the pump? Same answer as the first question
My nephew put clear tubes on his aio with tubes up and the air never travels down the tubes.
it has been already proved by science that this isn't that bad. please viewers don take him to seriously. wont kill your cpu as your CPU has process that protect itself, second with newer pumps and AIO this is not even close to making a huge difference. this guy needs to look at some vides from Jay2cents and nexus.
I have been building computers for 20 years. Don't need to watch average pc guys that got famous for personality and general knowledge. My way is the txt book way. Air goes up. If lines are up air sits where the water flows. Period.
damn 20 years?? fr??? no wayyy bro
But which way are your fans blowing? Pulling air in or exhaust?
so....I have my 280 rad in front with the lines on the top. My case doesn't have room for it at the top and I can't have the lines in the bottom currently because my GPU is in the way just like yours is at 5:20 so...
No it will not.. been running for 5 years same as thumnail and never had any issue
This info is incorrect. Its a good thing youtube hid the dislikes now 😆
April 2024, 8200 likes to around 7300 dislikes.
can somebody explain to me how a air bubble that forms in the pump (somehow like when installing it)
can travel down the tube and then live happily in the radiator
(air wants to move up and aio dont move much water when the pc is not doing much)
so i think air will get trapped inside the pump forever or until the pump ramps up high enough
So as long as you mount up top your fine right? Or do I still want the hoses facing a certain way?
Correct top is best.
I had builds before all with different positioning of the rad.. bottom, top, side or front in my experience installing AIO I never encountered any problem.. except for one that the AIO completely fail after more than 6 months now that is a manufacturer defect.. I believe it`s all in the way manufacturers build their product. But great video man. keep it up!
What do you think is the best situation?
@@alizandi9606 I would say in my own opinion rad on top of the case since all the water bubble/air are on top of the rad while the bottom part which where the tubing`s are connected, nothing but water, it will also depends on the case especially mini itx cases where there`s small room for a rad, but nowadays even smaller form factor cases has the option to put rad on top like the lian li Q58 and the cooler master NR200P Max and the upcoming phanteks evolv shift XT
This is not a great video because the information is simply wrong.
Best way is to put radiator on the top of the case with lines sloping towards CPU/Pump. Air bubbles rise to the top even if flow of water is to the bottom, Pump must be the lowest spot and lines should gradually rise to the radiator, any other install is wrong.
this is the video that jayzcent talked about haha
What about AIOs like MSI Coreliquid 360R where the pump is inside the radiator? Had mine for little over a year and my CPU started heating up to over 90 degrees.
Im glad i came access this stuff, i had mine like yours 😂 and I've been annoyed my the noise for a long time now
Umm…
your camera angle is not good.
could only see half of your face the whole time
His hat is his face
Lol
As long as the pump isn't the highest point in the loop, it's not going to damage anything.
Its not proper and can get air in the pump. Doing something incorrect for years and not having major issues doesnt make it correct. His install in this video is "by the book" and the "proper" 100% accurate way to do it. Facts.
@@benjaminwoodley7905 The warranty on an AIO is generally 5 years. That's because they're designed to last...5 years. Having your hoses on top for a front mounted radiator won't really change this. At best, you might get another few months difference out of it. Depending on the case, tubes down isn't always feasible, and more often than not looks absolutely terrible. Obviously, having a radiator on the bottom is always just a terrible idea. Beyond that, the difference is pretty minute. People were totally oblivious before Gamer's Nexus came out with a video about it anyhow. lol
yea JAYTWOCENT was saying in his video month ago not to have it below you AIO to have it above so now 2 different story here
@@elvisbest3213 I agree. Now this video is telling another story. So which is correct?
@@TheSpade357 this one seems to make more sense now about the way the air is trap and he explain even more about u can have it up just have to watch for air trap
So i have to aio gpu, and the only place i can place the cooler is on the bottom of the case, with the tube outlets on the front of the case side. They then go up to the left to the middle of the horizontally mounted(like in this vid) graphics card. Is this a safe method?
Are all the fans in the build exhausts? Or am I worng? The logo pulls air so all the fans are pulling air out of the system… if you put the fans at the front then the radiator behind you’d have three intakes and three exhausts..
Hey, does this still apply if the 120 mounted at the back of the case?
Thanks in advance.
Nvm you covered it later in the video, cheers.
Actually, it’s fine to have the lines at the top. As long as the pump is lower.
@@bm_wuratli6883 just watrich Jayz2cents vid or gamer nexus, don’t listen to this guy. Listen to the real professionals
You're assuming the only way air is going to enter the loop is through the radiator. That's incorrect as air can make it in through the hoses. Having the hoses go upwards from the CPU block allows air to not get stuck in the block. If hoses go down from the block, the air that enters the loop via the hoses will get stuck in the block. If you can't top-mount the radiator then make sure theirs a reasonable amount of hose above the CPU block to trap air bubbles so they don't enter the block. With an AIO with pre-cut hoses, that's going to require mounting the hoses up in most instances.
The pump isn't strong enough to suck the air from the lines above the pump all the way down the lines and into the pump. As long as the radiator is level with or above the pump, you're good.
Gamer nexus thumbnail shows opposite
Life saver! thanks man
Your welcome 🙏
I don't understand. In the pictures, the pump is always below the top of the radiator. So, the pump isn't the top of the loop. Yet, it's wrong?
Mine's set up in the front, but only because the case we ordered was much smaller than we initially thought, so the cooler could only fit one way. We didn't have the money to go out and buy another one so we stuck with it and tried to make a plan.
you should definitly watch JayzTwoCents
videos abute this!
Been building pcs for 26 years. My video is the correct way. Whether damage is minimal, max, slow, whatever the case may be the way to install it properly by the book is the way I do it and it's in the video.
LOL J2C. Worst tech channel on YT. Just lol
Excellent video! This is good info 👌
Thanks Rob!
There both the correct ways as long as the top of the pump is below the top radiator. Nothing to worry about if u have enough water in there as the pump is not strong enough to suck the bubbles down
So what about top mount but with the lines to the left rather the right?
Wrong. This is highly dependent on were your pump is. If your is on the head not the cooler, flipping the radiator will force the air to go to the pump.There is nothing wrong with the way NZXT and the rest of the marketers installed the AIO.
The key is just use some common sense and mount your AIO such that pump is lower than your reservoir. You want air in your reservoir not yor pump.
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Respawn. They make great chairs!
Do you have to have fans inside, if the cooler is mounted in the front? The pc fans are already there?
As long as the pump is not higher then the outlet for the water then your fine since air or bubbles rise that would lead it into the tube if it is higher then then the top or bottom of the cooler but then if it's to the center then no air will get through as long as you don't put it on the bottem your fine
I've had my aio "upside-down" for the passed 3 years and it effects pretty much nothing. The only thing you need to worry about is that your pump is not the highest part of the loop.
Same. Only difference is the AIO I'm using the "wrong" way has been going for almost 10 years. It's been cooling a 4770k 24/7 its entire life. It doesn't matter if the inlet and outlet are at the top of the bottom. The ONLY thing that matters is that the pump is lower than the highest part of the radiator. This nonsense has been spreading about AIOs for far too long.
@@1981AdamGs Maybe, just maybe you both have the AiO from manufacturer that uses just 2% of air? Steve did not disclose which company that would be.
As long as the pump isn't the highest point in the loop it don't matter. Linus
I had an msi mpg 360 aio, the pump was actually built in the radiator (but in a INWIN 303) case theres only one place to mount such an aio... behind the pump was my psu so the fan that was in a pull configuration had the psu right behind where the pump was... my pump fail within 2 years of having it. I now have a corsair iCUE H100i Elite CAPELLIX XT 240, but again my 303 case doesnt have a top mount or front mount place for the cooler... theres this plastic piece in the top that seperates the front from the back of the case so while you can put the aio on this piece right behind the rad is your psu and all its cables. Not good when needing proper airflow. Currently i have a much bigger case where i can top mount my corsair or my 360 ID cooling aio (which ive heard great things about.) But being that im running a 10th gen i7-10700k with a rtx 3080 i might send back the corsair aio unit. Even when i first installed the msi 240 my cpu temps idle were around 54c to 57c, under load playing cyberpunk2077 they jumped to 90c... for the cpu... and that was on high settings not ultra. All in all the INWIN 303 case, plus the msi aio with a pump built into the radiator may have been a fail from the jump. Recently my MSI z590 Ace gold edition (the silver with fake 24k gold dragon mobo) gave c1 errors. Once i fixed that and got my system booted i got A7 and then while in bios my computer gave me an error saying my cpu temp was too high. I shut it off immediately and ordered the Corsair. But then decided to order a new case as well since my INWIN was so small. Fingers crossed.
Unfortunately my case the NR200 only allows me to put my AIO sidways, which idk how well that fares for AIO's but recently after moving to a new condo, my AIO kinda has a bubbly noise.
This is actually a sub-optimal installation. Installing it like this, the CPU block becomes the highest point in the loop (where air will want to collect), and the hoses at the top of the radiator make it that much easier for air to travel to the CPU block.
AIO coolers always have air in them, both to allow for thermal expansion without bursting at seams, and as a byproduct of production. Over time, the liquid will evaporate and more air will be introduced into the system. All of this air is going to want to rise to the highest point in the loop - the CPU block. The pump can't effectively move a gas like air, so it will just remain here. Not only does the air not displace the heat properly causing reduced thermal efficiency, but it also will cause damage to the pump that resides inside this block. This cooler setup will fail prematurely, and potentially shorten the life of the processor. And in the mean time, it will probably be annoyingly noisy.
As such, the radiator must always be the highest point in the loop, no exception.
Agreed
where would install a 120mm cooler?? i wanted to put it at the bottom of my front panel so my case design would hide the rad but i think that's bad? this vid confused me and then the comments confused me more pls LOL
@@kierruhh6542 radiator must be placed higher level than cpu, thats what it matters
@@f.k.7023 thank you so much lol i understand now! that’s what i thought, i think i just confused myself watching/reading so many diff things
No, this isn’t suboptimal. All you have to do is make sure you have shaken the air out of the cooler and into the radiator before you install the cooler onto the board.
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Did you think of that all on your own? Such intelligence.
What a sweet unicorn you have there :D
But setting jokes aside - a good video man!
with the Case Nr200p you cant install but the bottom with rtx 3090 ti cannt be installed down with 1000w silverstone power supply
Another great video buddy 👍
Thank u so much I couldn't put it at the top bc it didn't fit so I had to put it in the front and I didn't think of a good Placement
Appreciate you watching bro glad I could help
Well how would you set up 2 aios with 280 rads have one in front of the case and the other one in the top
I have the corsair 4000d airflow case and my only choice is mounting on the side a 280 aio doesn't fit on the top unfortunately so I mounted on the side and my temps are fine but a bit overkill for my ryzen 5 5600😅
Unless there is enough air in the wrong stoping the water to flow in a loop. This is very unlikely so like everyone said your system is fine as long as your pump is not the highest point.
I recommend Gamer Nexus video in this, he has a lot better video on this, than this half wrong budget CZcamsr.
Good video
Thanks
Its not a big problem as long the pump is on the lowest point possible + if u have high pressure fans in push pull config its like if there wouldnt be a radiator or even better cause the lower fan is nearer at the GPU which maybe give u better 1-4° lower
So if it's already buzzing or gurgling without tilting the whole computer at a 45° angle is it already cooked or is there a fix? I but mine pre-built and it just started gurgling on its own one day
There is no air in the pump with the tubes top either
The reservoir at the top of the rad might gurgle a little but it’s literally not factual that air is going to go into the pump with front mount tubes top
The air isn’t going to travel DOWN the tubes and into the pump
If this was the case then a top mount radiator would also have a problem
Totally agree, just because some people can mount it lines up doesn’t make it correct. You can do things a certain way for your entire life it just means it’s been wrong your entire life. This is textbook install. Good video
And how do you orient fan? To suck the air to your case or to blow it through the radiator?
Hey man my kraken elite 280 has the power cable that goes into the motherboard that should say cpu fan or aio but it only has 3 pins alll on my mother board is only 4 pins to go in what donindo
Miss your streams man. Come back !
Thanks Aaron. I will be back soon maybe tomorrow. Had a huge move to my new house to finish up.
Long story short, don't mount the rad on the bottom. Common sense. As long as the pump is below the highest point of rad your fine. Don't let these CZcams people scare you.
Didn’t Gamers Nexus do a video like this?
@@ethangray9805 yup, and i said the same thing on that video also. Lol
I've got asus tuf g501 case and tuf lc 240, so i just dont give a hell on space between lines and stuff when installed aio closer to top of a case. perfect