An Investigation Into Lewis & Clark's Claims of World-Record Catfish | With Spencer Neuharth

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  • On September 24, 1804, Lewis and Clark's expedition stopped on the MIssouri River near present day Vermillion, South Dakota. According to journal entries, that night two of the men caught catfish that would approach world-record size. But our own Spencer Neuharth is skeptical of their haul, so we sent him to investigate this claim. Did the crew really catch 100-pound catfish? Or might it have been something else?
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  • @wdaniel9
    @wdaniel9 Před 2 lety +214

    Im betting on the 100 lb cat, they were coming out of the Stone Age, little to no fishing pressure, dead buffalo in the river. Yeah its possible. Lewis and Clark encountered a squirrel migration with millions of squirrels swimming across the river. Things were different, way different.

    • @FinznFowl82
      @FinznFowl82 Před 2 lety +22

      I agree, I think they probably caught some big blues. Very well could have had some close to 100 lbs, maybe even more. Like you said, wasn't nearly as much pressure and the gear was different. Animals had the opportunity to live longer and eat more.

    • @tylerluck378
      @tylerluck378 Před 2 lety +47

      Considering that a hundred pounder got pulled out of the river just last year, its pretty funny how this guy could be skeptical.

    • @wdaniel9
      @wdaniel9 Před 2 lety +15

      @@tylerluck378 Thanks, didn’t seem that far fetched to me from the get go. I bet The really ancient ones don’t get caught at all .

    • @tylerluck378
      @tylerluck378 Před 2 lety +18

      @@wdaniel9 Ya most of the time the Meat Eater series is great and pretty informative. This is the first one I couldn't even watch all the way through. The guy kept saying how could somebody could catch a world record fish and not make a bigger deal about it like they had the type of records on fish sizes back in the day like we do now. Lol pretty lame.

    • @wdaniel9
      @wdaniel9 Před 2 lety +10

      @@tylerluck378 I just saw new N Carolina record blue cat at over 100 lbs. Do you think this guy didn’t do any research? I’m trying to get a big horn ewe tag for that Missouri breaks region not only to hunt it but maybe catch a couple big cats!

  • @jamesburke8681
    @jamesburke8681 Před 2 lety +121

    We need a Lewis and Clark series!

  • @RiverJunkie
    @RiverJunkie Před 2 lety +41

    There is absolutely no way they would have caught a paddle fish and thought is was a catfish. The paddle fish is so unique they would have realized it wasn’t like anything they had seen before.

    • @christopherrowley7506
      @christopherrowley7506 Před 2 lety +2

      Yeah I think it was just a gimmick to try to spice up a fishing episode. Still I enjoyed the fishing and the history

    • @RiverJunkie
      @RiverJunkie Před 2 lety +1

      @@christopherrowley7506 me too! Lol

    • @Oxxg
      @Oxxg Před 2 lety +1

      There’s pallid sturgeon in there too and those have small barbels that’s could have been confused for whiskers

    • @wyattmull9436
      @wyattmull9436 Před 2 lety +1

      They might have seen paddlefish before and knew what they were. As paddlefish were discovered in 1797 by a biologist. Not to mention this would be before a lot of the extinction events we did eventually cause for paddlefish in certain states probably hadn’t occured yet.

    • @AndrewGrey22
      @AndrewGrey22 Před rokem

      Lewis would have drew a picture of it had they caught a paddlefish.

  • @jamesmainelli8277
    @jamesmainelli8277 Před 2 lety +66

    To be honest this episode was summed up very well in the last 4 minutes and didn’t need the rest… I think that Spencer just wanted to go paddle fishing and thought “how can I write this off as a work trip” haha

    • @chevyon37s
      @chevyon37s Před 2 lety +1

      Leave it to rock boy

    • @MjCecil87
      @MjCecil87 Před 2 lety +8

      I agree 100%, there is a night and day difference between a paddle fish and a cat fish, and I would say when you didn't have so many people fishing for them it would have been easier to catch a monster.

    • @bhoutdoors507
      @bhoutdoors507 Před rokem

      Yeah this could have just been a paddlefish episode, would’ve been better without the historical “controversy”

  • @N2theBlue1
    @N2theBlue1 Před 2 lety +45

    Blues and flatheads, native to the Missouri, regularly reach over 100 pounds so it doesn't seem remotely surprising to me or even something to be skeptical about back in that era? The misidentification seems unlikely as well since the explorers would have been very familiar with catfish from back east, though smaller versions. Unlike the western mammals which they had no corollary for in the eastern us. Anddd the biologist at the end just agreed with me lol. I think Spencer just wanted Meateater to pay for him to go fishing for paddlefish lol. That's good hustle.

  • @lewismooney3941
    @lewismooney3941 Před 2 lety +32

    I’m not sure how this show happened? There’s no way the expedition would have made that mistake without documentation. Especially considering they had no idea paddles were there or how to target them if they wanted to.

  • @outdoorsmanal1759
    @outdoorsmanal1759 Před 2 lety +32

    The untamed wilderness that the expedition got to be a part of would have been spectacular.
    Amazing how they kept such detailed records on top of everything else they were up against.

    • @tylerchamberlain2980
      @tylerchamberlain2980 Před 2 lety +2

      another impressive thing is they only lost one crew member and it was to appendicitis!

    • @chevyon37s
      @chevyon37s Před 2 lety

      I mean the whole point of the trip was to record what they saw...

    • @christianleblanc881
      @christianleblanc881 Před 2 lety +1

      @@tylerchamberlain2980 god that would suck I have liver issues and I think if I was alive back then I'd definitely be dead by now and what an agonizing death it would be. At least they had opium to give him for pain.

  • @davewilson2641
    @davewilson2641 Před 2 lety +65

    This feels like a middle school science project where you realize your results aren’t what you thought they would be but you power through anyways because the sunk cost is too high. Seems pretty clear right off the bat that a catfish, pre-colonial settlement of the west, would get that big and not need to be a paddlefish.

    • @michag4337
      @michag4337 Před 2 lety +2

      I think personally it's a combination of unsophisticated tools (inaccurate weights and measures), a fisherman's tale (we all know how fishermen can be less than reliable witnesses) and the fact that prior to over fishing and habitat destruction the fish were probably larger on average.

    • @bhoutdoors507
      @bhoutdoors507 Před rokem

      Not to mention the difference in how to catch catfish vs paddlefish. This whole controversy seems a bit… fishy

  • @bainez731
    @bainez731 Před 2 lety +181

    Lewis and Clark were exploring 220ish years ago, before commercialization, over fishing, pollution, etc. Those fish had been unpressured for millions of years with only Native populations fishing them. We know for a fact that other species of wildlife have shrank over those 220 years from outside influences. I don't doubt for a second that back in 1803 there were far greater numbers of large fish in the MO river. Also who in their right mind would ever confuse a paddlefish for a damn catfish lmao, go on somewhere with that crap lol.

    • @shanemcbride28
      @shanemcbride28 Před 2 lety +10

      I was thinking the same thing. Back then, housecats must've had long beaks that looked like paddles, no whiskers. Thats why they called them paddlefish catfish..?.. thats gotta be it.

    • @210FMcometh
      @210FMcometh Před 2 lety +19

      An excellent logical reply to this sham of a video.

    • @drewsroo
      @drewsroo Před 2 lety +17

      As if guys who grew up in the "east" surrounded by catfish infested rivers didn't know what a darn catfish was...lol.

    • @joeruhe8030
      @joeruhe8030 Před 2 lety +15

      Exactly. Wtf was this guy banging on about the whole time? Even the fish biologist wasn't having it.

    • @religionispoison6838
      @religionispoison6838 Před 2 lety +11

      Humans just don't want to admit how much we have wreaked havoc on populations of animals. Especially fishermen and hunters, and i am both.

  • @clintcannon1902
    @clintcannon1902 Před 2 lety +16

    Grandparents lived in Yankton, have fished both sides of the dam many times.
    Spencer, when you first mentioned working at the hatchery on the podcast, I was excited. I've been a visitor a dozen times in the past forty years.
    Fun stuff, thank you all!

  • @mc1992hammer
    @mc1992hammer Před 2 lety +28

    Great work on this! Question though.. Why were you releasing the Silver Carp? Those are kill on sight in Missouri. I can't imagine other states want them released alive either.

    • @AquatankAqua
      @AquatankAqua Před 2 lety +8

      That confused me too.

    • @MrBerroth
      @MrBerroth Před 2 lety +6

      Me too. They're an invasive species

    • @AOIbis
      @AOIbis Před 2 lety +5

      Glad I wasn’t the only one asking that.

    • @michaelmclaughlin3986
      @michaelmclaughlin3986 Před 2 lety +3

      First ever comment on CZcams but I had to ask the same about the carp

    • @AOIbis
      @AOIbis Před 2 lety +2

      @@michaelmclaughlin3986 From what I remember reading in the SD fish and game, You cant have those fish in your possession, so keeping them in the boat would be a fishing violation. I think that was the reason, it was something along those lines.

  • @Chanski7
    @Chanski7 Před 2 lety +6

    The catfish that they zoomed in while speaking about blue catfish was a channel. A few minutes later, they zoomed in on a blue catfish. Paddlefish are filter feeders requiring them to be snagged and not caught. Most likely, Lewis & Clark crew was fishing with bait. The Missouri River was a different system prior to dams being built; a lot more nutrient inputs, habitats, and a more productive system. Catfish, in general, were not subjected to commercial harvest or anthropogenic impacts and were able to grow to larger lengths prior to the Missouri River having dams constructed. Anyways, I'm glad that Spencer's opinion was swayed, but with Specer having a fisheries background, I was surprised at his skepticism. L&C crew wasn't throwing out treble hooks and snagging fish they caught. Neat video, regardless!

  • @detroitredneckdetroitredne6674

    Thank you for taking us on your adventure

  • @devinpenfold2274
    @devinpenfold2274 Před 2 lety +44

    Let's go. This is gonna be super interesting. Meateater never disappoints. I will never stop fighting for Das Boat Canada/Ontario though

    • @acolock
      @acolock Před 2 lety +5

      Das canoe

    • @jeremyxman
      @jeremyxman Před 2 lety +1

      I think that would be a great show

    • @daddycox82
      @daddycox82 Před 2 lety

      Omg Das Ontario I'm in

    • @andrejslv4192
      @andrejslv4192 Před 2 lety +1

      Canada already has enough fishing content haha

    • @aarongouin4628
      @aarongouin4628 Před 2 lety

      We sure do have some world class fishing being surrounded by all this fresh water

  • @keithkempenich6401
    @keithkempenich6401 Před 2 lety +16

    As a historian myself, I feel like there is an avenue that went totally unexplored here: HOW the men on the Lewis and Clark expedition fished. While there may not be any details in the accounts themselves, contemporary records could suggest the likely methods, tackle and bait the men may have used, thereby shedding light on which fish they might have caught. I don't know if the reason for the snagging approach to paddlefish has more to do with it being a less physically harmful means of catching them or because getting them to attack bait is the challenge, but it strikes me that if such a method is how you catch one, that alone would rule heavily against paddlefish being the "catfish" in the historical account. Later documents about fish sizes, populations, and other factors prior to the development of the area would similarly reveal the probabilities. A fun episode to be sure, but if you wanted a show about catching paddlefish, I would have just led with that instead of trying to make a historical argument and then evaluate it by utterly ahistorical evidence and means. But I'll take my historian hat off and put my fishing hat on and say that they look like a hell of a lot of fun to catch regardless!

    • @keithl2110
      @keithl2110 Před 2 lety +3

      Paddlefish can only be snagged as they are zooplankton feeders.

    • @packerjh2
      @packerjh2 Před 2 lety +5

      Paddledish with never "attack" a bait...they r filterfeeders. If/when u hook one in the mouth it's purely incidental due to how they feed/swim

    • @keithkempenich6401
      @keithkempenich6401 Před 2 lety +5

      @@packerjh2 This makes the case against the expedition hauling in 5 trophy paddlers even stronger, I'd think.

  • @nickgamble4544
    @nickgamble4544 Před 2 lety +8

    An almost untouched land at the time I would expect things to possibly be much bigger and more abundant.

  • @ca9968
    @ca9968 Před 2 lety +19

    Bass Lake in Johannesburg, right near the Vaal Dam Wall is well known for "Barbel" (An African species of Catfish) well over 100 Pounds...I did my dive qualifications there and saw at least 3 that were longer and heavier than me...so Catfish there back then when no people were around doesn`t seem all that impossible...

    • @harvestblades
      @harvestblades Před 2 lety +7

      Yeah, they are in there. I live on this stretch of river, the stories from family, as well as fish I have seen, as well as from rescue divers I knew leaves no doubt that there are some reclusive #100 plus cats sitting in their holes.

    • @bigbassjonz
      @bigbassjonz Před 2 lety

      When were the Barbel introduced?

    • @ca9968
      @ca9968 Před 2 lety

      @@bigbassjonz Barbel are native to South Africa...they`ve always been there...

    • @bigbassjonz
      @bigbassjonz Před 2 lety

      @@ca9968 then why we talking about those if they're only in South Africa? I thought you said they were bright to the US. Keep those monsters in South Africa please.

    • @ca9968
      @ca9968 Před 2 lety

      @@bigbassjonz I meant that there are catfish that big in South Africa in an area and lake that is often used by people, so it didn`t surprise me that back in the past there would be catfish in a US river that was pretty much undisturbed by humans up to that point...
      Barbel in SA do get monstrous though, when the best way to catch a fish with a rod and reel is to bait it with half an uncooked chicken, you know you have a River Monster or two lurking about...

  • @bidenhasdementia8657
    @bidenhasdementia8657 Před 2 lety +15

    A paddlefish is going to be too distinctive to confuse with a catfish. If they caught paddlefish the first descriptor would be the paddle.
    It's far more likely they caught big catfish and exaggerated the size.

    • @Bubba015
      @Bubba015 Před 2 lety

      They have catfish all over the world, all over the east coast of America, they almost certainly were familiar with the fish… I find it extremely unlikely that Lewis and Clark or almost anyone else in their party would confuse paddlefish and catfish. But the title got me and I made it almost 7 min into the video before I realized I’d been clickbaited into watching…

  • @j.t.patton7820
    @j.t.patton7820 Před 2 lety +5

    Great story! The Journals of Lewis and Clark are a must read.
    I have to say, Cats are more likely the fish they'd catch considering the way they fished would target Cats. You'd have to have previously learned knowledge in order to know how to fish for Paddles.
    Smoked Paddle-fish is phenomenal.

  • @gtaylor9218
    @gtaylor9218 Před 2 lety

    Great job, Spencer! The timing of this is great, for me . I'm right in the midst of reading about lewis and Clark , and mountain men in the years following

  • @erici2466
    @erici2466 Před 2 lety +4

    Keep up with the great content!

  • @harvestblades
    @harvestblades Před 2 lety +7

    Paddlefish is an amazing fish to see in the water, & to eat. I have many fond memories of fishing/bowfishing in that same spillway & love bein out there at night as you see the paddlefish rolling at the surface. There have been times when it would give me chills. Nothing like a summer night on the Missouri.

  • @joshplass2494
    @joshplass2494 Před 2 lety +3

    That's it!! All things MeatEater rock. Educational, fun.. Just all around 'genious'.

  • @garybesaw3809
    @garybesaw3809 Před 2 lety +4

    I love this channel and support it completely and also support you questioning reports/history.
    My personal opinion is that there is no way they got a paddle fish and a catfish confused as the same species,for all the great things they found and accomplished I just don’t see them confusing a catfish with anything else.

  • @ErelasInglor
    @ErelasInglor Před 2 lety +5

    I would love to see this episode in context of Lewis & Clark's expedition coming across Prairie Chicken!

    • @siegehammer63
      @siegehammer63 Před 2 lety +1

      I'm trying to remember if they hit into sage grouse as well. A bucket lister for me for sure, I hunt their sharptailed cousins

  • @scottcarlson8502
    @scottcarlson8502 Před 2 lety

    Great episode Spencer and crew!

  • @Reneelwaring
    @Reneelwaring Před 2 lety +2

    At the time of Lewis and Clark's expedition they had Sycamore trees that were so big that 14 men could sit at a table inside the trunk and have lunch. Those trees no longer exist, but that doesn't mean they never did.

  • @danamathiason7708
    @danamathiason7708 Před 2 lety

    Loved this!

  • @cummins198389
    @cummins198389 Před 2 lety

    Loved it! Well done!

  • @anthonykoulis5498
    @anthonykoulis5498 Před 2 lety

    Spencer did a killer job with this episode! 10/10 would love to see him on here again.

  • @ADVENTURESOFBZ
    @ADVENTURESOFBZ Před 2 lety

    This....this right here is why Meateater is on another level!!! Fantastic episode!!!

  • @bearhuntingmagazine
    @bearhuntingmagazine Před 2 lety

    Great video!

  • @mtcoiner7994
    @mtcoiner7994 Před 2 lety +5

    Perhaps they were catching sturgeon? I don't think they commonly reach the 100lb mark in Montana/ND but maybe they used to?
    And old rancher in the Missouri breaks claimed they used to catch catfish so big they needed a tractor to tow them out. Probably BS but......maybe not.

    • @mikes6884
      @mikes6884 Před 2 lety +2

      I agree a sturgeon would also reach huge sizes and might be mistaken because pallid sturgeon have whiskers. Without dams who knows how far those fish travel to breed. Spencer better do more research and tell Steve he wants to go catch a sturgeon to verify... haha

    • @harvestblades
      @harvestblades Před 2 lety +1

      If I recall they would of been familiar with sturgeon, but yes they can get massive if given time, and there are three species in that section of river, but I think the monsters they documented were clearly cats. I just feel bad they were eating old, muddy fat cats as the flesh quality is poor compared to a nice #10 cat. Sure monsters are fun to catch, & more efficient for stocking the larder for a trip like this, but in my experience it is easier to catch numbers of #5-20 cats then it easy #50 plus. Again 200 years ago itr was likely different.

  • @outdoorlife9410
    @outdoorlife9410 Před 2 lety

    Awesome video Spencer. Big fan

  • @rslover65
    @rslover65 Před 2 lety +2

    I don't think there was any real doubt that the Lewis and Clark expedition confused catfish with paddlefish, but it's a great excuse to go fishing and film it.

  • @smea87
    @smea87 Před 2 lety

    What journals did you comb through to get these entries. I’m planning a trip in reverse in a 1/2 scale homemade boat to match theirs. Would love to see some of the other journals out there

  • @macmyers8143
    @macmyers8143 Před 2 lety +13

    It is very hard to believe that if they had caught something as unusual, indeed bizarre, looking as a paddlefish they would not have remarked on it. Also, given that paddlefish are filter feeders, it seems unlikely they would have caught several of them fishing in a conventional manner. And, as others have remarked, the fauna of the great plains was extraordinarily different in the early 1800s.

    • @hawaii5-084
      @hawaii5-084 Před 2 lety +1

      I came to comment the same thing you would notice the huge paddle at the front and at least explain it as a weird looking catfish also there were no dam’s and not a lot of fishing going on so could easily have been more old catfish swimming around.

    • @joshuaharrison6708
      @joshuaharrison6708 Před 2 lety

      Ditto. Pre dam one has to imagine catfish were much larger in those murky waters.

    • @austinh9389
      @austinh9389 Před 2 lety

      the blue catfish in america still grow well over 100 lbs. dont know what this guy is debating lol. 131 lb catfish caught in mississippi april 7 2022

  • @ronniekotler9265
    @ronniekotler9265 Před 2 lety +1

    I just have to agree, the Paddle fish is such a unique looking species that Lewis and Clark would have noted it in their journal and not called them Catfish

  • @Iowawalrus
    @Iowawalrus Před 2 lety +3

    Dude you've got some interesting info. Keep this coming

  • @charlockprime
    @charlockprime Před 2 lety +2

    Spencer was right up the road and didn't even stop in for a beer. Somebody's gone all Hollywood.. :D

  • @WoodsNorth
    @WoodsNorth Před 2 lety +12

    I sometimes see old turn-of-the-century newspaper articles of the local deer harvest here in Vermont. While I can admire the mindset of the men who would venture out into the woods and the writers who would tell the tale, I often find the reported weight of the deer to be impossible to believe with numbers occasionally going north of 400lbs. I love a good hunting or fishing tale but any size or score of an animal before the advent of quality photography or use of a scale is hard to take with more than a grain of salt.

    • @chevyon37s
      @chevyon37s Před 2 lety +4

      Once something gets over 40-50lbs people tend to exaggerate weights quite a bit

    • @therockbiter8140
      @therockbiter8140 Před 2 lety +5

      @Myles Garrett the record was set in 2021 at 141lbs, with a hundred years worth of anglers going after them. You don't think they got even bigger before people had the technology and motivation to go after them? New records are set every year or two with millions of people going after them. Imagine how big they could have been when nobody was trying to catch them.
      There's tons of old pictures of gar fish that are longer than the boats that hauled them in that would absolutely be records of people had scales to weigh them, same with catfish.

    • @missourimongoose8858
      @missourimongoose8858 Před 2 lety

      There was an Eastern elk that was bigger than its western cousin but went extinct after white people moved west

    • @missourimongoose8858
      @missourimongoose8858 Před 2 lety

      @@therockbiter8140 that's what I think and this dude only showed the blue cat which is the smallest of all catfish, Lewis and Clark obviously saw them catching flathead cats which can easily get over 100 lbs

    • @jbolin105
      @jbolin105 Před 2 lety

      @@missourimongoose8858 Blue cats are the largest species of catfish in North America the World record is 143 lbs caught at Kerr Lake in Virginia.

  • @michaelbarrett2346
    @michaelbarrett2346 Před 2 lety

    Great video

  • @skypieper
    @skypieper Před 2 lety

    History and fishing combined! Awesome.

  • @therockbiter8140
    @therockbiter8140 Před 2 lety +14

    There've been many world record blue cats caught that were over a hundred pounds, I know Keith day who caught the state record 110.3lb catfish in St. Francisville, La. back in 2010 out of the mississippi river. Today the record is held by some kid at like 141lbs and it was a catfish.
    There are tons of huge paddlefish out there, that can probably get just as big, but the world record paddlefish isn't the record catfish at the end of the day, even if they are called spoonbill catfish.
    If catfish are getting as big as they are now with as many fisherman hunting them today, I can only imagine how big they must have been when they faced their first real threats from humans back in the day, I Imagine it wasn't much different than the pictures I've seen of 10/12" long gar being hoisted out of the waters.

  • @louvkjr
    @louvkjr Před 2 lety

    This has my attention. What is next in this series?

  • @macshatchetman13
    @macshatchetman13 Před 2 lety +2

    If it was misidentified, how about a sturgeon? They have similar skin, baubles, and they get absolutely enormous.

  • @bustinbass78
    @bustinbass78 Před 2 lety +1

    I love this... although told many times. The tale of the extinction and rebirth of the whitetail would be good filmed and edited like this.

  • @gregorygolando
    @gregorygolando Před 2 lety

    Nice documentary, lots of good stuff in there. I reckon they would have mentioned the giant snoz on the fish though if they had pulled in a 100 paddlefish

  • @brycewatt2893
    @brycewatt2893 Před 2 lety +10

    This is a great episode Spencer and crew! What an opportunity to travel back in time and get just a little glimpse of how it was. Catfish or Paddle fish? Either way I can feel the energy of their excitement.

  • @stevenalvarez487
    @stevenalvarez487 Před 2 lety +4

    Reminds me of fishing with my dad he misidentifies half of the fish and argues with me on how he’s right.

  • @andrejslv4192
    @andrejslv4192 Před 2 lety +2

    I didn't even know these fish existed in N.A till about a year ago. Been wanting to after them ever since. Got excited for this one. I did not know you target them via snag tho! Makes me think of Steve being apprehensive about poisoning fish in a puddle in the jungle.

    • @TJ-bg4fw
      @TJ-bg4fw Před 2 lety

      It's nearly impossible to catch them any other way as they are filter feeders, so unless you get super lucky or manage to make of of the gentlest freshwater fish angry and get one to swipe as something I don't know any other efficient legal method of take. If you're set on paddlefish Oklahoma would be your ticket as non residents don't have stupid restrictions like a lottery or where they can fish

  • @JarrydMitchell
    @JarrydMitchell Před 2 lety +2

    A 100lb catfish is an absolute monster, but not a record breaker…a 130lb blue was caught out of the Missouri River in 2010 and I believe the world record is 144lbs ( not out of the Missouri). There’s no doubt in my mind that fish 100lbs plus not only existed but thrived in the Missouri River in the 1800s especially with the lack of dams and commercial fishing pressure. Did Lewis and Clark see 5 100lb blue cats? 🤷‍♂️ only god knows.

  • @LaughingCattFishing
    @LaughingCattFishing Před 2 lety +1

    In the time of Lewis & Clark there was no thought given to world record fish size. Fish were just seen as a food source so it is entirely possible that 5 or more 100 pound catfish were caught.

  • @streetwork5069
    @streetwork5069 Před 2 lety

    Great video..ya mentioned a name Ordway..early on,I met an Ordway many years ago,the grandson..name Walter who’s story is very fascinating to learn about,which I had no idea at the time we hung out..

  • @brianbradley7282
    @brianbradley7282 Před 2 lety +2

    We need a Steve and crew Lewis and Clark Expedition

  • @thegreatlatinobambino5419

    I read a story printed in the late 1800's that claimed to use oxen to pull in catfish from limb lines, story was reprinted in the 90's Missouri conservation monthly magazine.

  • @mikemehevic5292
    @mikemehevic5292 Před rokem +1

    When I was in welding school, my welding teacher swore he was telling the truth when he said this, (he was a straight shooter and a good guy) he knew an underwater welder that was doing work in the Mississippi river and said he saw 2 catfish that had heads wider than his shoulders and he wouldn't work without a partner after that on that particular job.

  • @Ragnar11B
    @Ragnar11B Před 2 lety

    I couldn't take this seriously once I realized what a paddle fish was..... no way
    I love this series and it was a super rad idea. I was pumped to watch it . Lol lots of love guys hahahahahaha

  • @TacticalNel
    @TacticalNel Před 2 lety

    My girlfriend loved your other Lewis and Clark video! We’ve been waiting for the next episode 👀👀

  • @malcolmalexander5484
    @malcolmalexander5484 Před 2 lety +6

    Clay and Spencer have been killing it with the content!!! Keep it up.

  • @drewsroo
    @drewsroo Před 2 lety +3

    This is...kind of ridiculous and a rewrite of history, kind of par for the course these days.
    Records didn't exist back then and meant nothing to anyone. C'mon. You really think these guys who grew up in "the east" didn't know what a catfish was when they had been catching or netting them since they were kids?
    Lewis and Clark weren't the only guys who talked about 5 to 6 foot long cats. You can find stories of them all over including in Mark Twain books. No dams, unspoiled wilderness, no predators of a fish that size. No pollution. Nothing to prevent a cat from reaching ridiculous size, age and weight. Guys are catching blues now well over 100 pounds since catch and release became a thing.
    100 pounds shouldn't raise an eyebrow.

  • @murkzu
    @murkzu Před 2 lety +1

    Wouldn’t a sturgeon make more sense than a paddle fish? They have small barbels and get huge.

  • @josephlucas9702
    @josephlucas9702 Před 2 lety

    Good show

  • @MrBerroth
    @MrBerroth Před 2 lety +1

    First of all, the Missouri River in Missouri was 3x as wide as it was back then. It's 0.2 miles wide, back then it was 0.6 miles wide. Also the Missouri River was a wide but shallow river with insane current. Lewis and Clark then noted that there was islands flowing down the river. In the 1920s and 30s the Corps of Engineers dig out the Missouri River and made it more narrow for river travel. There is over 100 steamboats that sank between St. Louis and Kansas City. Reading about what the steamboat captains said about the Missouri River is also interesting.
    Now, Mark Twain wrote about a catfish that was caught (either on the Missouri or Mississippi River) that weighted 315lbs. Rumor has it that the reason why Kansas stopped noodling was because he tied a hay hook to his hand and went missing. Few days later he was found later (drowned) with a 200lbs still hooked on on the hay hook. Now there was a receipt from St. Louis from 1800s or maybe early 1900s for a catfish that weighted 150lbs. So 100lbs is good size but still small compared to history or their potential size.

    • @steveelder5306
      @steveelder5306 Před 2 lety +1

      there is some of my family lore recorded that reports a 200 pound catfish caught on the Mississippi River near Nauvoo, Illinois around 1840.

  • @FinznFowl82
    @FinznFowl82 Před 2 lety

    I'm curious as to how they were fishing. Were they using nets, traps, hooknline etc?

  • @duanewinter8188
    @duanewinter8188 Před 2 lety +4

    could it have been a Sturgeon? I know they are in the Missouri River

  • @MrBakedDaily
    @MrBakedDaily Před 2 lety +1

    I imagine back in their day there was many 100 lbs catfish everwhere

  • @richardhorn7688
    @richardhorn7688 Před 2 lety +1

    I have a photo of me when I was 13 holding up a 60 lbs flathead catfish and it was almost as tall as me. My dad caught it noodling and my job was to wade behind them holding the stringer with the fish

  • @larrycable1948
    @larrycable1948 Před 2 lety

    When I heard the theory, my initial thought was about the same as the final historian. The catfish was/is a common fish in American waters and both the blue and flathead get to that size range. The paddlefish wasn't an unknown, it's still a relatively common fish in the Ohio River basin. I couldn't think of a good reason to think that the description would be confused.

  • @mikofthewat
    @mikofthewat Před 2 lety

    Not familiar with fish in the Missouri, are there sturgeon up there?

  • @generadcliff2820
    @generadcliff2820 Před 2 lety

    This seems like a significant stretch to even remotely think that they couldn't tell the difference between a catfish and a paddlefish.

  • @jonnygranville281
    @jonnygranville281 Před 2 lety

    There are paddle fish at a quarry in Tennessee. I can't wait to go scuba dive there.

  • @joescott906
    @joescott906 Před 2 lety

    Back then it probably wasn't uncommon to see catfish that size. They would have mentioned the paddle because it's a huge difference in comparison.

  • @tontoisdrunk
    @tontoisdrunk Před 2 lety +3

    There are dozens of stories from divers here in SD that claim the same as Lewis & Clark. There are absolute monsters in the Missouri: cats, sturgeon, and paddlefish of proportions that would shock the average person.

  • @IAMTHEANTICHRISTISWEARMAN

    this is Badass 🤟🏽

  • @mikhail2400
    @mikhail2400 Před 2 lety

    No one who has ever caught a catfish of any type would mistake a paddlefish for one. Just last year a record breaking blue, for this river, was caught in the Altamaha in GA, a much smaller river than the Missouri. Theres plenty of records of 100lb+ cats caught all over this country in its early history. Theres also records of those 100lb fish becoming more and more rare for generations. Catfish all along American rivers had their traditional breeding areas cutoff from them due to dams and other man made blockades. I saw a documentary where scientists say those fish are just now showing they have reestablished new breeding areas and more and more large cats are being caught every year.
    Now I have no idea if that documentary was true but it made sense when I watched it

  • @jakealexander9845
    @jakealexander9845 Před 2 lety

    I wanna see y'all cook that thing!!!

  • @joeywhite6031
    @joeywhite6031 Před 2 lety +1

    It really reads to me that the five largest catfish may have been 100 pounds together. It would certainly be more believable than five 100 pounders.

  • @papabones-p8o
    @papabones-p8o Před 2 lety +1

    I have personally picked up a paddle fish that someone else caught back in the 1970s in Missouri, I was 6'3" then, I'm 6'1" now, and the fish was longer than I was tall! Also back in the 1950s my dad use to hand-fish catfish and flathead, in Kansas, Saline River, that were as long as he was tall, and he was 5'9", they used to rub their bellies up to the bank then roll them onto the bank!
    'KEEP ON KEEPIN ON'!

  • @ronaldcourville6472
    @ronaldcourville6472 Před 2 lety +1

    From Louisiana here. My personal best is 93 lb bluecat

  • @charlesbryant2279
    @charlesbryant2279 Před 2 lety

    I’ve seen 3 catfish in the last 20 years that was over 100 pounds caught in the white river in Arkansas. Two flathead and one blue cat. They are out there just few and far in between.

  • @8catdog8
    @8catdog8 Před 2 lety

    What sort of fishing gear/ tactics were they using during the expedition? Were they at all familiar with snagging such as what you were doing? Or was it a bait a hook and throw it into the river kinda thing? Knowing this would certainly help in solving the mystery...

  • @johnnybuckbrush
    @johnnybuckbrush Před 2 lety

    "Investigation" more like an excuse to get a paddlefish tag haha

  • @alexholder6707
    @alexholder6707 Před 2 lety

    Come to Oklahoma on the Arkansas River/Keystone Lake, the world record for spoonbill has been broken 3-4 times in the past couple years

  • @herbertgearing1702
    @herbertgearing1702 Před 2 lety

    You never know man, before people were fishing with hook and line in this country there were some massive fish in pretty much every body of water. Check out the brookie someone caught in a new England farm pond - huge!

  • @user-ds9eq8zx2n
    @user-ds9eq8zx2n Před 2 měsíci

    Pretty sure they would recognize a paddle vs whiskers. And were they snagging?

  • @ColReb2000
    @ColReb2000 Před 2 lety +2

    Watching the live release of silver carp makes me cringe. They have severely hurt the native paddlefish populations in some parts of the southern US.

  • @codybutler7816
    @codybutler7816 Před 2 lety +2

    I’m not sure how or where you get the ideas for content but I believe you’re On The right path. Always something different but yet something the same. Truly loved duck camp dinners, pardon my plate, and das boat. The Canadian angle was a nice northern addition I could relate with as I’m from Canada but this episode is similar to Jeremy wades river monsters in a sense where your tracking down historical accounts. Some how you’re just hittin all the points and I truly enjoy it

  • @-a-strikelures1212
    @-a-strikelures1212 Před 2 lety +1

    I think the Lewis and Clark would have said something about the big flat bill on the weird huge catfish.
    They probably did catch some giant cats. There wasn't any pressure on the fish back then

  • @nergrohombre
    @nergrohombre Před 2 lety +1

    I got to say I am a bit perplexed that you thought they would not know the difference, nor comment on the paddle. Click bait?

  • @benalzamora5837
    @benalzamora5837 Před 2 lety

    Anyone know where Spencer got the hat he's wearing in the thumbnail? It's sweet

  • @kevtom1686
    @kevtom1686 Před 2 lety

    Go to the Oregon Trail Museum in Baker Oregon and see the pictures of them yarding fish out of the snake river with teams of horses back in the day.

  • @nergrohombre
    @nergrohombre Před 2 lety

    How much of that is nebraska?

  • @smallmouthmessiah8496
    @smallmouthmessiah8496 Před 2 lety

    I feel like the dude who’s hosting this one is the only person who thinks they could have mistakenly called a Pattle fish a bluecat… like no one else does..

  • @justindowning186
    @justindowning186 Před 2 lety +1

    I just have a hard time believing they would confuse the two! One has whiskers! 🤷‍♂️✌️

  • @zachvydra9309
    @zachvydra9309 Před 2 lety +5

    Why release an invasive carp?

    • @metalwright
      @metalwright Před 2 lety +1

      @Aaron Loos that's true. I still like to kill and eat them, though. Not that it makes a difference..

  • @sonnyechols5140
    @sonnyechols5140 Před 2 lety +1

    World record for blues right now is 143 sooo not that unimaginable that they were catching blues

  • @Buck_Fudder
    @Buck_Fudder Před 2 lety

    From meateater the new hobo line. Spencer is seen here modeling the knit hat and fingerless gloves.

  • @danguard8543
    @danguard8543 Před 2 lety

    This episode was amazing I hope this is a series that gets more attention between this and pardon my plate I have a whole newfound love of Spencer as a host, he's got a great voice for narration too!

  • @maluorno
    @maluorno Před 2 lety

    in England at the time, they referred to anything livin in or around water as a 'fish'. I bet they were catching beaver or otter.