S&W CSX Update - Talon Grips, Mag Spacer, Holsters, and Range Time
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- Update on the S&W CSX with Talon Grips, a fix for the sliding mag spacer sleeve, and a couple holsters. And yes, I did shoot it out to 50 yards.
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1) This video complies with all CZcams guidelines and standards;
2) All firearm handling is done by a trained professional in a controlled, safe environment and all shooting is done on a dedicated, safe shooting range;
3) The link below is to my personal website and I do not sell, or offer for sale, firearms or ammunition;
4) This video is intended to entertain and inform. It is not intended to sell, or offer for sale, any firearms, ammunition, or accessory;
5) The firearm(s) shown in this video are completely stock and are not "previously modified" firearms.
Talon Grips
Muddy River Holsters
Upper Hand Holsters
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:28 What does CSX mean?
01:04 Common complaints
01:45 Talon Grips to the rescue
03:56 Holster Solutions
05:01 Fix for mag spacer
06:48 Range time
07:43 Trigger talk
09:30 Caution - Talon Grip installation
10:03 Caution - Mag spacer fix
10:40 Final Thoughts
Website: www.riders-range.com
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Ever time I see Talon Grips mentioned, I feel I need to let people know Traction Grips are identical at about half the cost. However Traction Grips does not include the little alcohol wipe to clean the grip prior to installation. I bought Talon once…Traction is the SAME!
I just recently found Traction Grips. I may have to give them a try.
@@RidersRange there aren’t many bargains in firearms….especially now… Traction grips is one!
I added traction grip to mine.👍
That Talon grip recommendation was really useful and good. Thanks!
Glad to see you are finding some solutions that work. Thanks.
Thanks for watching.
It also could be "Chief Special 10" since the last CS was number nine.
I haven't found that reference, but it could be.
Bingo
X is the Roman numeral for 10
@@JNimsy34Exactly
Now it's a very improved carry gun. Thanks for updates,
Thanks, as always, for watching and commenting.
Great suggestion on the mag spacer. I ended up doing the same fix for all 5 of my 12 rounders.
Glad it worked for you. Thanks for watching.
Nice to see an update video on this gun. I was still surprised when you told me you’ve been carrying it. But I can see why. Great summer gun.
It took a little (very little) to warm up to this gun, but with a couple simple mods it is now my summer gun.
I definitely like the Talon Grip on the CSX. Thanks
Thanks for watching.
Makes a nice high quality EDC . Thanks for the review.
It's going to be a great summer carry piece. Thanks for watching.
I just put a small one layer strip of electrical tape all around mag to make spacer not move. Works good.
Sounds like a simple solution. Thanks for watching.
I love my CSX, no problem, got a couple spare mags, only problem is one new 12 rounder won’t fit in gun fully loader. I’ve shot 1,500 rounds thru mine so far and no failures. Been a great gun I just wish I could find night sights.
Jack, thanks for watching and adding your experience with your CZX. Have you checked the follower and spring in the mag that won’t fit when fully loaded? I did a video on that very issue and the simple fix.
I did like you and cut the spacer---ordered another 12 rd mag and this time I used skateboard tape cut the right size to cover the base plate and the added piece back corner around to back corner--works fantastic and don't have to cut anything.....
Good info. Thanks.
A good series of problem solving moves right there.
Thanks for watching.
Thank you for the update and info. Glueing the spacer down was my first thought also. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
If you glue the spacer down without cutting off the back ledge, you can't remove the baseplate. But then again, how often do folks take their mags apart? Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange thank you
@@RidersRange If you glue it at all, you won't be able to use it for the M&P 9c, if you have one, which is why they even have 12-rd mags. That's the standard capacity on those. They sent spacers with the 15-rd M&P 9 2.0 as well, so that we can use our 17-rd mags from our M&P 9 full-size. They didn't send any 17 rd mags with the 2.0, but just two of the 15-rds & two spacers. This is basically a 10-rd capacity pistol, but they sent along the 12 in case you don't care about the extra length printing or pocket-fit. They'd have to create a new manufacturing or molding process to give everyone a new style of 12-rd.
Edit; Left the post original, but I think they may have created a different 12-rd magazine for this than the 9c...I apologize if I spoke incorrectly. I looked very closely at it here, and it sure looks identical to my 9C 12s, but according to a post on their forum, folks claiming they are not the same. If that's the case, my bad. And also if that's the case, probably won't be buying this. I sure like being able to have mags loaded and be able to have the choice. Bummer.
@Shasta Bean, I appreciate the detailed comment and edit. From everything I can gather, the mags for the CSX are exclusive to that model, though I don't have all the Smith mags to experiment with. I keep waiting for Smith, or an after-market company, to come out with a 13 or 14 round mag with a finger hook, but I'm not holding my breath. Those things are market-driven and the market for hammer-fired pistols with a manual safety isn't anywhere near as big as for the polymer striker-fired guns.
@@RidersRange I was giving this CSX a bit of thought, to perhaps replace what I use my .380 Bodyguard for...I probably would mostly opt with the 10-rd mag, just for the smaller size. I have 12, 15, & 17 rd other 9m Smiths, so it's not much use for me in that respect for more capacity. But I would want to be able to use those several 12-rd mags I have for my 9c. I very much like being able to do that with my 15 & 17 rd mags in my 2.0. I am probably going to call the local store and see if they have a CSX and take a 9c mag and check it for myself. Definitely can't take claims in comments or forums as gospel. haha (me = guilty). Thanks for the vid. I'm still slightly curious about the hammer-fired, but lots of folks say the same thing about the safety.
Seems like a nice weapon but when it came down to it I purchased the Sig 938 Legion because of the sights the trigger and its smaller size. Which is what I wanted. Again it was nice in the hand and most reviews are favorable. Nice discussion nice additions.
My favorite carry was my p938, but I like this better. The capacity and the ease of hitting the magazine release. Mine shoots great, I haven’t noticed any reset problem…but mine was purchased already broke in. I put Handle-it grips on it. Fantastic gun, feels good in my hand, carries/conceals very very easy(-:
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Good video! Please do a field strip of this gun. I have had a tough time taking this pin apart. Any advice is very welcome. Thanks.
Thanks for watching. There are several good videos out there already on field-stripping the CSX.
I really like my CSX and I own a 938 and Micro 9. Got some Tritium sights for a Shield and installed the front one. Waiting on someone to come out with a set of sights for this weapon. I agree about the rubber spacer also.
The aftermarket will only come out with upgrades and accessories if the gun is popular enough. Time will tell.
I don't get why everyone is up in arms over the mag sleeve. You don't need to cut anything, just put a small dab of shoe goo (available at WM among other places) on each side of the sleeve. I used a toothpick to do this so as not to glop too much on, but you can easily wipe it off. Shoe Goo is basically rubber cement, and it will keep things in place but will still be removeable should it need to be. I consider it the duct tape of the adhesive world.
Hmmm.....I hadn't thought of that, but it sounds like a great idea. Thanks for sharing.
Nice video. I’d like to see some grips that don’t prevent you from removing the fire control group out of the frame. Hopefully we will see a Performance Center soon with a bit nicer trigger, rail, optic cut, trijicon.
I'm waiting for the PC version, but I'm not holding my breath. Thanks for watching.
My simple fix to the mag release is that I just put the mag release on the right side of the gun no issue with that extra piece on the magazine hanging up
Thanks for watching.
Great review! Thank you. I just bought the weapon myself. I was thinking though, instead of cutting up the magazine base, I'll just use a weaker type of glue, something that holds but is easily pulled apart. I'm going to order those Talon grips soon. Thanks for the idea.
I used a couple tads of black silicone RTV sealer. I just wanted to stop it from sliding around.
Excellent idea, Thank you.
Looks good now and was shooting pretty good how is the trigger doing is it getting smoother thanks for sharing
I'm getting more used to that trigger tab, as long as I don't do a slow trigger reset.
If you can make a video when you find some base plates or when someone makes some, I’m have to get me one those IWB holsters need it
@Diehard Outdoors, if and when I find better (extended) mag baseplates for the CSX, I'll definitely do a follow-up.
Trivia. Most right handed shooters naturally twist their right hand ever so slightly down and to the left because of (medial concentric pull). This is the contraction of flexor digitorum profundus...which goes to your trigger finger is a muscle which has a twist from it's origin near the elbow to it's insertion on trigger. A left handed shooter would notice shot placement landing slightly down and to the right of the aim point for the same reason. With Practice, most shooters unconsciously learn to correct for this bio-mechanical effect, even if they aren't aware of it. The newer the shooter the more pronounced you will see this effect. Like your Videos.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
His is not the only video I have seen the shooter hitting to the left. It seems unlikely that S&W does not have the resources or quality control measures to properly zero their pistols before shipping them out. These right handed shooters were very experienced in shooting pistols even rather small ones. It may be that due to the dimensions of the grip and the design of the trigger, the trigger finger must curl more to fire the pistol than is the norm on other pistols enhancing the medial concentric pull.
Actually it has more to do with the gun dimensions. In an ideal gun-to-hand fitment, the trigger contacts mid-pad on the finger tip. Varying sizes of grips and lateral dimensions for trigger resting and activation can/will create the misalignment which must then be corrected by changing the pad placement on the trigger such that the moment of trigger activation occurs exactly when the lateral pull is in a direct line with the alignment with the barrel bore.
@@RoadieWingZZ Science wins here: Most right handed shooters naturally twist their right hand ever so slightly down and to the left because of (medial concentric pull). This is the contraction of flexor digitorum profundus...which goes to your trigger finger - it is a muscle which has a twist from it's origin near the elbow to it's insertion on trigger. A left handed shooter would notice shot placement landing slightly down and to the right of the aim point for the same reason.
@@RoadieWingZZ absolutely correct
Thanks for this info. My pistol and Talon are on their way. Drift that rear sight a bit to the right and you should be right on the mark.
😊🎉🎉😊😅
@sunkist357, thanks for watching and commenting.
I had to drift my rear sight to the right as well. Now I'm on target as long as I do my part. I've had a couple fliers due to the (harder than I'm used to) trigger pull weight.
you could start "an affordable not quite 1911 series" and compare it to
the sig 938 or kimber micro nine. i know capacity, but i would still like to
hear your thoughts. i will probably add a csx to my collection because...
i can!
I believe I did bring out the Kimber Micro 9 in one of my earlier CSX videos. I plan to do an "Almost 1911" video in the future and this will definitely be in it. Thanks for watching.
You could include a not-so-affordable not quite 1911… the Wilson EDCx9
For the spacer... why not just keep the original spacer but use a drop of silicone between the bottom of the spacer and the mag botton. Keeing it original looking and also easily removed later! Just my 2 cents...
Interesting idea. I may have to try that with another mag. Thanks.
I think for the mags he carries for protection the super glue method is best. The spacer can interfere with reloading and super glue will ensure that the spacer never comes loose. For range mags silicone is probably a good idea. It won't mess up their resale value. Also a possibly forthcoming and clever aftermarket solution might require an unmodified baseplate.
@@RidersRange I did use the silicone trick not bad but still a pain in the ass to remove. I just cut the back looks just fine.
The last variant of the Smith and Wesson "Chief Special" (small side arm for a usually plain clothes rare to be in a shoot out person like a Police Chief) was the CS9 a 9mm single stack. Now the 10th variant (Hmm Roman Numerial X is 10) is called the CSX, guess what I'm betting it means. ;
You are correct. Thanks for watching and adding that info.
Why not try some 50 yard shots I think it’s good exercise to see how far we can push these cool little guns
@Diehard Outdoors, thank you for watching. In my range review follow-up to my tabletop review of the CSX I did shoot at 50 yards, hitting steel plates as small as 8" at that distance.
Great video.... How would you compare it to the Kimber Micro 9... ?. Thanks
The Kimber Micro 9 was one of my summer carry guns, but it's now sitting in the safe while the CSX is with me. I like the trigger a little better on the Micro 9 and it is a little lighter than the CSX, but they both shoot as well and the ergonomics and capacity on the CSX give it the edge.
Thanks for the Info....
Thanks Ryder, I just read an article on this one from M Ayoob and thought of you wondering if you were carrying this now and here's the answer. I will have to try this one. How does it compare size wise with the p365?
If I recall correctly, the P365 is a hair smaller and it’s lighter than the CSX. I compared them in a previous video on the CSX.
@@RidersRange wow I would have thought it the other way around. I will look up that video. I haven't been getting notifications from your channel.
@@RidersRange I haven't weighed them both, but the p365 feels heavier to me. Maybe it's because the p365 is kinda nose heavy.
I think the grips on the CSX might be a bit wider, front to back. The CSX fits my hand better, but your experience might be different.
I may be on the dumb side (I have been told), but why do you have to cut off the fill on the grip sleeve? Thanks in advance.
Not a dumb question at all. In order to glue the mag filler sleeve to the baseplate, the back "filler" piece must be removed, otherwise the baseplate could never be removed from the mag. If you think you would never have to remove the baseplate for maintenance or to replace the spring, then it would be okay to keep the sleeve fully intact and glued to the baseplate. Thanks for watching.
Could've just glued the sleeve to the magazine. It doesn't impede removing the baseplate. a little rubber cement would keep it in place, but be removable if you really had to.
@@briandwebster Both ways would work I opted for gluing to base plate made a better fit.
@@RidersRange Thank you for that. I was just about to ask the same question and thought I'd scan the comments to see if someone else had asked. Sure enough, asked and answered. Good to know.
I cannot put 12 round magazine with 12 bullets it will not seat. Same with the other mag that comes with it wont seat with the stated number of bullets
Did you take the mags apart to ensure that the springs are inserted correctly and properly attached to the follower? Some of the early mags weren't assembled correctly.
I'm curious about the csx. Waiting a bit. Would like a better trigger.never handled one, just what I've heard.
I agree that a trigger without that unnecessary drop safety tab would be a welcome change. I'm guessing that the aftermarket companies are waiting to see how successful this gun is before they invest in things like triggers and mags. And the fact that it is a single-action--only pistol with a manual safety is going to limit the market.
@@RidersRange understood...I wish they could make one with a 1911 trigger. If you have to carry 1911 style- locked and locked .wouldn't mind a grip safety too. I want a 1911 that weights nothing and shoot with guided missile accuracy..not much to ask for...lol. oh I forgot a grip made of memory foam cover..lol
what if you just superglue the original baseplate and spacer instead? I think itd look better and no gap. I dont own one yet so idk if im missing something
If you glued them together, you wouldn't be able to disassemble the magazine. The baseplate needs to be able to slide off, but the spacer surrounds the whole magazine base.
@@RidersRange understood! Thanks for the info
Just wondering if you’ve had a problem with the reset not a big deal to me cuz I don’t shoot fast
Initially the reset bothered me, but the more I shoot the gun - fast or slow, the less I notice the issue. Thanks for watching.
My reset is A+ perfect right out of the box!
If you prefer this over a Shield Plus, which seems better out of the box, is it because you're a 1911 guy?
Klaatu58, the CSX isn’t perfect out of the box, but the Talon grip material and a minor modification to the mag, together with a better trigger, metal frame, hammer-fired and manual safety make the CSX the better gun for me, but not for everyone.
@@RidersRange a "manual safety" will get you killed..
For me, I like the way the CSX fits my hand better, but if I didn’t shoot a 1911 frequently I would have opted for the Shield Plus or possibly Hellcat.
@@Tom-cp6yj only if you don't know how to use one....
So, what was causing the magazine not to fit in the mag well in the first video?
You can go back to additional videos and see. Apparently early on, the follower was not attached to the spring like they were supposed to be. I would say the spring warped sideways pressing on the body
@Rob, @Craig Romack was mostly correct. My guess is that with the mag spring not connected to the follower, it was at full compression before the final round could be inserted in the mag, therefore bulging the mag body.
@@RidersRange Makes sense. Thanks! I really did want to see good things on this gun. I like the idea of the aluminum frame. Hopefully they will smooth things out.
👍👍
As always, thanks for watching.
looking for one
My local FFL had a couple in stock the other day.
Use baking soda with your super glib and the bond will be stronger
Interesting. Thanks for watching.
The x stands for extreme
Sounds good to me. Thanks for watching.
Well seems to be a lot of suggestions but S&W employee told me extra capacity. Maybe another employee might tell you different. Don't really matter most people are not trying to figure out what the letters and numbers mean on any gun.
@@barefootbob1269Gee what does the "3" in 938 really mean? Been pondering that for weeks! Ha your response was FR ;
The biggest takeaway for me, is that Pennsylvania has the same constitutional provision for “defense of self.” I haven’t seen the CSX in person yet. 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The CSX is starting to show up more in my local gun shop, as well as a couple others I occasionally visit.
Anyone seen pinky extension for it
I'm still looking.
@@RidersRange me too
If you still looking for pinky extensions ? NDZ has nice ones for the 10 and 12 round mags .
Why cut the spacer?
If I didn't cut it before I glued it to the baseplate, I wouldn't be able to remove the baseplate.
Taking base Plate off is for cleaning?
@@bhenderson7651correct overtime spare magazines can ingest, dust, dead skin cells, and hairs
I wont use kydex for any of my holsters, it wears on the guns finish too much through repeated draws and reholsters
Even leather wears the gun finish. Leather is all we had for decades and it took a toll on my duty and off-duty guns.
quit playing with it? Shouldn't come out but twice a day if you take it out to put it up at night.
Leather for me only…like nothing about ‘plastic’ holsters…like the CSX, would remove unnecessary trigger safety.🎃
Probably not that much different than leather but the sound of these holsters make me cring like it's tearing the finnish right off. 8
I'm not a fan of Kydex holsters, but they are effective and affordable. I much prefer leather, though for many guns, good leather holsters may be more difficult to find. Garrett Industries makes holsters with Kydex shells and leather laminated to the inside. They retain their shape without the "click/clack" of Kydex.
@@RidersRangeThanks I'll check em out. ;
Exactly, same here
Ya think S&W could have made the magazine baseplate like your modification in the first place? Naw, it's S&W and details don't matter. 🤔🙄
Those details are causing a lot of people to lose interest in this model.
@Pmedic605, the original base plate fills in the bottom of the grip for a better visual effect, and in the tight market of micro pistols, image counts. But I do believe Smith missed the mark just a little.
Actually looking at your range work here I'd think you would be effictive at fifty yards on a torso sized target. So you shouldn't feel so out gunned at that range. ;
Torso size, yes. But I'm rarely happy with that level of "precision".
@@RidersRange At 50 yd if I have any choice I will get away.
Why would someone want a single action pistol with a trigger safety?
The only reason I can think of is because there is no grip safety and it is very 1911ish. Too small for a grip safety so they used a trigger safety for the secondary passive safety. But I agree it is silly
Why does the spacer have to move at all? Or did I miss that explanation.... about to pick one of these up.
Not a very well thought out addition to the ten round mag by S&W.