Analyzing the "Karen" Meme
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- Internet Analysis: KARENs. Let's dive deep into this term / meme.
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - intro
0:57 - what is Karen? who is she?
1:41 - rude to service workers
2:14 - sense of entitlement
2:59 - Karen encounters at work
4:51 - appeal to authority
5:12 - privilege
6:04 - Karen calls the cops
7:56 - is "Karen" a bad word?
9:44 - the origins of the term / meme
11:32 - what about Becky?
13:34 - I've been Karen'd
14:20 - Karen = any woman you dislike?
16:15 - Karen = hall monitor, snitch?
18:51 - Golf Cart Lady?
21:00 - Corona Karens
25:58 - oops I'm sweating bye
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TIME STAMPS BELOW:
0:00 - intro
0:57 - what is Karen? who is she?
1:41 - rude to service workers
2:14 - sense of entitlement
2:59 - Karen encounters at work
4:51 - appeal to authority
5:12 - privilege
6:04 - Karen calls the cops
7:56 - is "Karen" a bad word?
9:44 - the origins of the term / meme
11:32 - what about Becky?
13:34 - I've been Karen'd
14:20 - Karen = any woman you dislike?
16:15 - Karen = hall monitor, snitch?
18:51 - Golf Cart Lady?
21:00 - Corona Karens
25:58 - oops I'm sweating bye
Wow this is so convenient that you even included them IN the video! I'm seeing it here for the first time on YT! You got my sub for that!
Thank you amazing video I didn’t finish it yet lol but I’m lovin it!
Please analyze CZcamsr Myka Stauffer returning her adopted son she used to make money from China
This stuff goes deep. Most meme lives start out innocent but the fascist media culture is so prevalent and skews art and cultural content to push public humiliation. Now that people are fighting back and using media to showcase these injustices is so important. Trouble is it hits so close to home because our culture is so zombified and uncaring for the people of their country.
I hope you know that I love you
"You can absolutely judge a person by how they treat service workers." Say it again for the people in the back! Love u Tiffany!
Similarly, working a minimum wage, retail/service job is a great way of developing a sense of empathy for other service workers after you leave the industry.
And also how people treat animals. If they mistreat them, no good....
absolutely
Insert that one Sirius Black quote
My favorite saying I’ve heard along these lines is “some people have never cleaned a public toilet and it shows”
"The customer is always right" is a cancer on society.
The motto should be, "Treat others how you would like to be treated."
As someone who worked in retail for years, I can tell you they're not right most of the time. Oh the stories I could tell.
@@nonchalantd preach.
It is the foundation of the economy that seeks to be the best since those who do not seek to be the best will fail.
That's why it would be great if all managers and bosses came up from the most bottom of rungs so they can understand what it's like to be in that position and back up their employees while striving for the best service possible for all the non-Karens out there.
The fact that you have to censor the word “racist” is depressing on CZcams’s part.
What do you mean have to? The words "racist" and "slur" are sais elsewhere on CZcams without sensorship.
@@ThenameisAntti she'll probably get the vid demonitized if she keeps it in, she's not a big enough CZcamsr that they'll let her slide
Agreed, so hopefully people stop asking for youtube Twitter Facebook etc to censor people we don’t like. It hurts us all in the end. No matter how annoying, let people say whatever the hell they want. Fight censorship.
@͔ ͔ Two.
@@ThenameisAntti Yes, the words that are censored nowadays it's crazy!
I honestly feel bad for any woman named Karen, especially if they don't fit the description. And I must say that throughout my life I've definitely encountered A LOT more 'Kens' than I have Karens!
My bestie is named Karen (as per her our accord), if you don’t fit the stereotype you’re usually left alone, some initial jokes but honestly not too bad.
My bestie's parent's names are Karen and Ken. 📛 They're super nice, especially her mom! 🙂 They treat me better than my own parents, lol. 😂
yeah my grandma is named Karen and shes like the chillest person in the world
As a Karen it is a bit annoying. What I find even stranger are folks saying I know a Karen and she’s super nice. I’m guessing most of these women featured aren’t actually named Karen. lol
I just realized that you’re right, but also I’ve seen Kens get into Ken standoffs and it’s amazingly uncomfortable
I actually had a manager called Karen who had the Karen Haircut™. She was my manager for about two years at a coffee shop I used to work at. When Karen's would complain and ask to speak to the manager, it was great. It was almost like a "Who are you!?"
"I'm you but better"
What a time to work there.
😂😂😂
Was it like a battle of the Karens?
Karencepcion
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Lol I'm a Caitlin with a Karen manager as well. No Karen hair cut, but she certainly loved her power a little too much. She got promoted to a much larger store which closed within a year.
the editing during your karen skit . . . superb
D’Angelo had to deal with Shallon Lester who is the Pokémon evolved form of a Karen. We support you, my dude!
The way I had to check if you are real... you have made it in this world sir
I love you but not really cause parasocial interactions but your channel is so good and youre so funny please keep uploading content for as long as you enjoy it
As a side note, your internet/pop culture analyses are amazing too!
I think it’s disgusting that people get demonitized by talking about real, serious issues that need to be spoken about to be stopped. It is real. Police brutality is real. Everyday prejudice in public is real. To stop these things, they need to be spoken about and discussed to cause action. Awareness needs to be raised and the fact that youtube and google is stopping this shows just how r*cist (I use the asterisk because apparently I should on this site) they really are.
I was a hairdresser for many years. Karen's hair looks like for a reason. She started out with a classy, elegant a-line bob & it looked beautiful, but she kept driving her hairdresser bonkers asking for it to be more & more stacked in the back until her hairdresser had to cut it so short that they finally suggested using clippers; at which point Karen emphatically objected by declaring that was "way too short" (lol). Karen "still wanted the length in the front, but she wanted it blended", so now it looks heavy in the front like 2 different haircuts. Also, Karen doesn't want to use product, or style her hair with a blow-dryer, so she managed to create this haircut that really could stand to be called 'The Karen', which works out okay because she also dictated to her stylist that she "didn't want a bob"... after she spent the entire consultation describing a bob. The chunky blond highlights were actually the easy part UNLESS the subject of bleach was broached, because Karen wants her hair as blond as possible, but she "doesn't want bleach". May the Lord bless and keep Karen... far away from me ;)
So funny😂
I was a dog groomer and “Karen” strangely enough wanted the exact same haircut for her pure breed goldendoodle and then gets upset because it looks funny.
Is it just me or does anyone else remindes the Rachel when they hear or see the Karen
I was told that hairstyle was called "My kids are bi-racial" haircut
Lmmfaoooo how tf do you get blonde *with no bleach?
Can we get u an Oscar for those green screen scenes hahaha
Hiii lukee
Omg I love your channel 😍
Can we get a collab between you two?
Two of my favorite CZcamsrs!!!
pls collab THANKS
If anyone thinks you're being a Karen, they clearly don't know who Karen is
You gotta understand. The online world is global. Every popular word or idea gets overused beyond it's meaning.
Everything is racist or sexist or ___phobic. Everyone is a simp, cuck, incel, boomer, Karen, thot, soyboy, etc. And for non memes, everyone throws around the labels Nazi, white supremacist, nationalist, etc. Even the idea of trying to play victim, Karen's compared themselves to the n-word. Like boomers called it ageist.
Really, it's just a fast dismissive way to win arguments or lazily attack.
@@crab7405 Man I love and vehemently hate the use of "simp" out of its context. "Did you just pull up a chair for your girlfriend? Simp."
What I find hilarious about this whole meme is that the only person I've ever known named Karen is the literal polar opposite of this meme
As someone who is actually named Karen who had literally had to change her name over this meme, I thank you for this.
@@TownieGirl1974 sameeeeeee, thank god middle names exist
I know one of each. One is an angel and the other it almost seems like she goes out of her way to be the actual worst.
@@TownieGirl1974 lol
Same I only know one Karen and she's chill 😂
When a man uses it, it’s worth asking “Is this warranted, or is he just trying to invalidate my complaint/concern?”
Yes, but women invalidate each other too. Women profit by turning on one another, at least in the short term.
To quote John Mulany: "If you're comparing the badness of two words and you won't say one of them. That's the worse word."
We love a good John Mulaney quote 😌💅
Facts
I love john mulaney
nah, it's a stupid argument. the n-word wasn't bad at the time when people was using it? it was still bad. something being considered normal/abnormal doesn't make it morally right/wrong.
@@polina-rs4lr The n word absolutely was bad at the time people were using it. It's just that the people it was directed at didn't have the power to stop being called such a derogatory word.
“There’s african-american man threating me” of course she had to be this specific
@moths from neptune yeah but she also threatened it before she called, making me think that she's knows that the cops will fuck him over, which is using racism to her advantage.
moths from neptune Yeah but, you know, she never mentioned what he was wearing, which would have been an easy way for police to identify him. All they know from her call is a random black man is ‘attacking’ her. Some dude halfway across the park could be riding his bike and get swarmed by cops, but she doesn’t care. Do not try to justify her shitty behavior with an excuse that doesn’t even work.
I feel like that's even worse than racial prejudice, that's an actual attempt to hurt or even kill an innocent person using racist cops. This is such a disgusting thing to do, considering the current racism situation, that it's hard for me to believe people like her exist. She seriously should face legal consequences for that.
@moths from neptune No they do not! She specifically said African American man because she knew as a white woman if she said that they would rush to "rescue" her. Smh
@@Asbestoslover666 Like a Karen would do
The woman trying to stop the kids from jumping their bikes down the stairs is NOT a Karen. She was protecting the school's liability. If she had let them do "one more jump" and got injured, their parents would be suing the school and her. Buzz-kill-yes, Karen-no
we gotta karen here , a perfect blonde,white karen
If I were the kids parents I would’ve been like “F that’s rough buddy” and just went home. Like yes she was absolutely a KAren. Let us fall down and learn by our selves. You complain about our “participation trophies” yet you never let us fall. Shut up
Yeah idk why everyone is calling her a Karen, she's literally doing her job. Nobody calls a teacher a Karen for looking out for their students, so why the school staff?
These frat boys were unbelievably entitled, rude and agressive. What the one did in her cart is close to assault. And everybody's talking about HER (essentially doing her job)?
@@e.458 it's blatant sexism
If those boys got hurt on those school stairs, she would’ve gotten fired and the school could’ve been sued for not stopping them - even though the dips did it themselves to themselves. Now, if it was off the school property, yes then she’d be Karen.
In Thailand, the equivalent of Karen is "มนุษย์ป้า" or literally "auntiewoman," mocking Superwoman or other superheroines. These auntiewomen or unclemen (male equivalent) behave similarly to the original Karen, except being white as obviously most Thais are not white. Their senses of entitlement in this case emerge from "being elderly" or "being hierachically higher" due to our cultures of respecting the elders or people with higher social ranks.
Same in India
I have an aunt called Karen, and all the women in my family also act like one. I find it funny how much I 'resonate' with this meme.
In Mexico they're called Ana Sofi (short for Ana Sofía) a common name given to rich whitexicans (white+mexican) that are so out of touch of reality and so entitled that is annoying af
@@Skepticalresident was about to mention.... thanks
@@Viviana-pe5sh nunca había escuchado de eso, creo que en general el término sería whitexican que aplica para hombres y mujeres
I appreciate that you took the time to feature and seek the opinion of black women/creators to include in this video. It adds a lot. Your videos are always thorough and spot on.
Yes, it reminds me of this dream I have, that one day my children will be judged by the colour of their skin and not by the content of their character. I can't wait for the full re-racialization of society to be complete!
@@bpj1805 do you live in a fantasy land? Because the United States (and I’m sure other places as well) has never stopped being racist. It’s not racist to talk about or mention racism, especially if the point is to say why it’s wrong. It also makes perfect sense, when talking about discrimination, to include the voices of groups who have experienced that kind of discrimination. But something about your comment tells me you don’t actually care about that, and you want people to just shut up and pretend the problem doesn’t exist so that YOU won’t be inconvenienced by confronting your own bias
@@PochamaRex I didn't say that the USA "stopped being racist". I was sarcastically pointing out that ramping up efforts to racialize everything is counterproductive if you want racism to "stop".
That "the n-word isn't a name" made me think of my parents who use the n-word so much and they're white. I tell them to stop and then they just yell at me. Then if I disagree with them they threaten to take away all of my stuff and things that make me happy and help me ignore my depression
One of the best things that you can do for yourself is create your own family via friends. I have a very small family and as an adult I’ve been so lucky to have friends that have supported me even if my family didn’t .
I’m sorry you have to go through this! Just know it’s only temporary, it’s not forever 😊
Study and be an outstanding voice for change.
Sorry you have to go through that. Your parents sound very ignorant. All I can say is maybe try talking to someone about your feelings. Such as another relative who you know you can talk to. Maybe they’ll be able to convince your parents to stop saying that. Good luck!
proof that some people don’t deserve to be parents.
Makes me glad to have immigrant parents who, although they are white, have been discriminated against and don't act like this. They do still perpetuate certain stereotypes (black and hispanic women are more emotional, direct quote), but it's not nearly as bad and I try to not be like them.
One time I agreed with someone who posted that people with disabilities may need or use baby wipes too, & that the term “baby” on a wipe doesn’t mean it is solely for children. He said his mom was a nurse who worked in a retirement home and they used them. I agreed that they are for everyone and agreed that people shouldn’t hoard toilet products. He then yelled at me for thinking moms rule everything and called me a Karen. I was extremely confused, because he yelled at me for words I never said. It was kind of funny. What is the name for men who mansplain and then tell you your opinions for you and then shame you for those options they assigned to you.
Kevin
is nobody gonna talk about the sections in the timeline? like she friggin organised her video and crap and i didn't even know that was a thing
Rizzar • ahh I noticed it too!
yess!!!! same ehre!!
Our girl Tiffany always does that!! She does her HOMEWORK 👏👏👏
she's evolving!!!
I've noticed that on other creators. It must be a new feature
That woman who called the cops because he was "threatening" her life, was actually threatening his life.
Exactly.
her saying he’s african american is so fucked
@@faerie111 Yeah, she was so liberal she didn't want to say "black" or "n----r," because "that would be racist."
@@JM-ot8ux u don't know her political views
@@theman9048 umm we don't need to
One way I could think of Karen being used in a misogynistic way (by either men or women) against any women who is being assertive, since that is still seen as a behavior that women aren’t supposed to do.
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Assertive only when it comes to people you believe are socially beneath YOU
But nice try white girl....
@@sheltonyoung3091 Exactly
@@idontevenhaveapla7224 I find it interesting that Shelton Young there just assumes Cameron Blue is a white woman despite having, you know, no actual picture on their profile. 'Cameron' is also a fairly gender-neutral name. Sounds like we have a Kevin on our hands.
@@sheltonyoung3091 I was trying to make a point regarding something on FB, and I was called a Karen just because they were mocking me and joking under my comment, and I called them out. I’m Asian in my late 20s. The term “Karen” has been used against women taking things seriously, when people just want to mock and joke about it, kind of like saying “get a grip, where’s your sense of humor”. Nothing to do with race or privilege, they just want to shut you up.
I recently read a post in which someone said they did think there was some sexism to the use of the Karen meme, not in the sense that these women with this repulsive behaviour don't exist, but in the sense that it created a feeling that this is the worst type of customer that a worker can encounter. Several people with experience in service jobs replied saying they agreed and that as annoying as women like this are, the internet focused on them, and not on men, who in their experience were the ones who had actually scared them, threatened them with violence, sexually harassed workers, etc. personally, while bartending I've had a middle aged woman ask me to make a very uncommon drink that we didn't have the ingredients for, and after I told her, she insisted and behaved like I was being stupid and like her day was ruined. Which was very annoying. However, men have, well, harassed me. On the other hand, i get the Karen meme is a very USA culture thing and I'm not from the US so my opinion might not be relevant.
TLDR: there is some sexism to calling out privileged women for being assholes if one doesn't dedicate the same effort to calling out privileged men who are just as much or even bigger assholes.
That's exactly what I was thinking the whole video. Like, we need to call out shitty behaviour, but the fixation on Karens is too much, and draws atention away from the real issue.
I deal with it by using it as an ungendered term. Male Karens are still Karens.
@Golfy Tones they don't deserve one.
@Olebaskus I’ve heard plenty of men called Karen. Karen is any self important asshat. The gender is the point. The fact that you are focused on the gender is kind of a point...
The name, as stated, is punching up and back. The Karen’s themselves do not get to pick it or decide how it must be used.
That's why Kyle and Kevin also exist. Or just the term "male Karen"
Theres one more defining trait Karens have: they take themselves very seriously! If you are able to laugh at yourself, then you are probably not a Karen
Good take, does Tiffany include that?
the whole point of this series is to take the internet seriously because it has ramifications so please keep asking questions about morality and deeply analysing memes
YES! Exactly, I never realized it until you put it into words but yes, there are still quite a few people who don't take the internet seriously and therefore don't take any social impact the internet has seriously!
The internet reflect's how people actually feel but can't always express. Most Karen's believe their gender protects them from retaliation so they act any way they like.
It's simple really, just dont be an asshole to people and people wont make fun of you... and no, I dont care if you have 6 kids and have been divorced 4 times, those are choices you made.
The ppl who don’t take it seriously are the ones doing the most damage on the internet. It’s depressing and I wish they’d open their eyes and minds. Especially cancel culture, it’s so much more detrimental than helpful. Tiffany making these videos definitely helps though and is starting to change ppls minds I think!! She’s the real MVP🙏
@@BillClinton228 I wish the world was as easy and fair as: be nice and everyone will be nice to you.
But seriously that is not the reality we live in. And if you do live in that reality please send the rest of the decent people stuck here the coordinates because we want to leave.
Exactly hahaha you do take it too seriously but we love that you do.. that's why we watch hahaha
In my experience, "Karen" and "bitch" could have been used indistinctively in the use they made of the term. I'm not saying that women can't be mean or cruel, but I must point out that calling a woman a "Karen" or a "bitch" when they aren't being bigoted, mean or cruel, is out of line and sexist. I would be offended is somebody called me a "Karen" or a "bitch" when I am not displaying any of those behaviors that would objectively make me a "Karen" or a "bitch". It just makes sense to not want to be called something you are not.
Calling someone "bitch" and "Karen" (when they aren't acting it) is certainly a very fucked up thing to do, but not sexist.
@@notheory14 it is being used in a sexist way though. A lot of men use it to sh. A woman up who isn't being submissive or saying something they don't like.
Now when someone call me Karen, i never know if it's an offense or if they are just saying my name 😥
I feel ya. :"(((
if u dont tell ur name to them then ur prolly those 'WHITE ENTITLED KARENS"
@@sunnyroy2818 🤣🤣🤣 it's just a joke
Pretend you're Russian and go by Karina. Problem solved. \s
this is honestly a piece of art-- it's a perfect mix of a cute, jokey tone and the seriousness of r*cism
Hahaha a very difficult balance! Thank you
I love that vid of the two Starbs baristas Uno reversing by calling the cops on a Karen who wouldn't leave. They gotta allow more banning!
Bro why censor racism? It's not a curse word
@@johnsphs1545 youtube will demonitize videos for any reason now
@@Ruby5443 true, makes sense
Before Coronavirus, we had the Karenavirus.
When ur two faves collide *faints*
@@iv4135 when worlds collide
Haha!
so happy to see you here
Love this collab 😍
I find this meme rather interesting and kind of annoying at times. *My name is Karen and I'm literally the same age as all the people making those memes (love ya, gen Z)*. I can't change my name now and I don't want to be bullied into changing my name. I think it's good that these awful people are being called out and all I can do is not act like the Karen we see in those memes. If your name is Karen and you're thinking, "I'm not like that! They're bullying me", don't BITE THE BAIT. Keep cool. This isn't about you!! The meme is about people who are really terrible and if we throw a huge fuss about it, we'll get lumped into that category. A couple of years later, maybe people will shit on "Taylor" or "Shayla" instead. it's so annoying and dumb that an entire group of people will be the butt of the joke because the internet happens to use their name in a meme.
I do think it's unfortunate that this "Karen" meme originated with someone's name. Wish they'd have chosen a more neutral route instead. In Malaysia, Karens are called Mak Cik Bawang (aka Onion Ladies) and that at least doesn't target anyone's names specifically.
I completely agree, I have a older friend named Karen and I feel like people will judge her just because her name
@@allisonromano235 from one Karen to another, I think she's great. Don't let it get to you unless you're literally the Karen in the memes 😂
Ok Karen, maybe just go complain to the manager about that 😒
I feel bad for the nice people named Karen
But then I think about how Black names like Shaniqua, Shawanda, Quantrelle were made fun of for so long and nobody stood up for us
They were probably nice people too ☕️
@@richiebitchie2006 You just proved her point.
I keep on getting called a Karen just because I said that menstrual cramps hurt.
The woman freaking out on her phone was ridiculous and absolutely disgusting
Glad she got fired from her job. Sickening behaviour
Chamallow I saw the video and she was also literally choking her dog in the process,, it's so outrageous.
the Park Karen sorry the Truth came out the bird watcher guy was just as bit of a karen as herself he told her im gonna do something to you and your dog your not gonna like so then she went crazy and called the police this from his own mouth he pulled out dog treats to get her dog to come over to him so yah the guy was a creep
Which one? 😞
Did the police actually come after the call?
is anybody else kinda terrified by Tiff in that brown wig
Nope, but the eyeliner scares the shit out of me 😁😀
Lmfao I geeked
FuckYouGoogle ACAB🥰✨💫🧜🏼♀️🌈💞✨🧚🏼
@FuckYouGoogle Where did that happen? I heard her point out that systemic racism is real in the law enforcement system and community, which is absolutely true, and I'm a very pro-police person because loads of them are excellent people and struggling to make good changes in that system, so I think I'd have noticed if she actually specifically said that all cops are racists. There's a huge difference between discussing the broken system that has some racist individuals within it compounding the flawed system mechanics, and discussing the individuals themselves with generalities.
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I just feel bad for young girls named Karen. Teens can bully you literally for everything. And that's a new reason for kids to mock girls, who probably don't even act like "Karen" or "Becky"
I don’t think that happens that often. Mocking girls does happen, but Karen isn’t making fun of white girls in general. Karen describes a certain type of person, and it depends on the use of the term.
@@pineconequeen6691 It doesn't matter the actual definition of "karen". Teens and kids will still gladly bully girls with said name just because it's funny to them.
@@lotsofuwuenergy3983 i think it all just depends on wether they fit that “karen” description? could happen but i don’t think it would happen frequently. things like this die down.
Oh please I have been mocked all my life for my name nobody has given a single fuck
@@lotsofuwuenergy3983 no one does this or cares that much. What’s worse is POC is cultural and ethnic names which can be easily made fun of not only by peers but throughout public places as well.
It’s hard for those of us with this given name. When you tell a stranger your name and they laugh it is very disheartening. I’ve never hurt a soul, but I’m laughed at because my name has been destroyed. I hope this goes away with time. 😢
dont give up. It's just a name and doesn't define who we are. As long as we are nothing like those people under that meme name, there's no shame in having Karen as a name. What am I gonna do?? Change my name to Mikayla and watch it get thrown under the bus five years from now on??
Noooo i know a Karen and she’s so sweet love yourself and be healthy! Why are all the women called Karen actually so sweet we all love you Kind Karen
I actually got laughed at on the phone ( I was calling my phone service provider) The person said. “Wow your life must be so horrible now”
Ugh!
@@kaypat23 even the original meme definition is changing to whatever people who use it want to and often use to spite anger to someone specially a female they dislike :( Karen become naming insults and cursing used by angry people who wanna hurt other's mentally
@@kaypat23 Basically it's elementary bullying all over again with name calling and insult's and joke's for their laugh's and joy of putting other's down :(
I’m literally the opposite of a Karen - I’m so nervous to talk to employees that even if they give me the wrong order I’ll just go along with it 😂
Hahahaha me too 😩
I don't say anything either, but mostly because I don't wanna be an unnecassary (in my pov) bother to the workers (I work in customer service as well so I like to make others' shifts in that field as comfortable as possible haha)
Ofzmten times the employees have to entirely pay for a wrong order. So if you got the wrong meal, but its not something you would never eat, you might want to consider just taking it. Even if the error was on the waiters part paying for a whole meal might seriously screw them over.
Been there, done that. =)
Funny thing is, the one time I didn't so that, it got kinda messy with the server. My friends and I were out at a pub on a busy night when my food order got mixed up. I was about to go with it when my friends insisted I get it changed. They were all "That's not what you wanted. You shouldn't have to eat it" and got me to flag down the server to get my order fixed. Turned out the server was a 'Karen' (or at least maybe she was having a bad enough day that she was acting like a 'Karen'-- it was a busy night at the pub after all) and started arguing with me that *I* was wrong and the food she gave me was exactly what I ordered with this angry, indignant look on her face. Thankfully my friends were there to stand up for me and basically act as witnesses, so she backed down and got my proper order. Would've never happened without them.
Thinking back, I still find her indignant anger really weird and off-putting. I mean, I wasn't being a 'Karen' myself (as far as I know). I think I only said one sentence before she started snapping back at me. If my friends hadn't been there I would have definitely backed down myself and just taken the food I had ended up with.
Sometimes I wonder if the server actually did eventually realize she misheard me when I ordered (as I said the pub was busy that night so it was understandable), or if in true 'Karen' form, she was doing the mental gymnastics to convince herself *she* was right, probably rationalizing that all my friends were all just lying about what they had heard me order to get it changed, and had only backed down 'cuz my friends spoke up too and a 4v1 argument that would have ended up involving the manager would have ended badly for her.
I guess being the opposite of a Karen is being a John, since as John Mulaney put it (IIRC) "You could spill hot soup in my lap and I'd probably apologize to you!" Lol I relate to this XD
NYC waitress here: Karens can be boys too. Been hassled and screamed at by boomer age white men as frequently as boomer age white women.
Yes. A video just went viral yesterday of a middle aged White at a WeWork gym in Minneapolis calling the police on 3 black entrepreneurs who also had an office in the Wework building because they "didn't look like they belonged there." HE went up to them and started questioning them about their company and what floor their office was on. 🙄😕 Sad part is, had he approached them in a friendly way as though he was trying to get to know them and know more about their business instead of in a profiling, interrogating way he probably would've gotten his questions answered.
Tis a kevin you encountered
Yes!! You don't even know how many times this has happened to me. I've grown a silent hatred for boomer age men.
Oh so it would be ok if they were boomer-aged black men?
Male Karens, are referred to as Chads.
I thought "Becky" was the name "incels" gave to a girl who is not as hot as "Stacey" but still pretty, more like a brunette girl-next-door-character? Didn't know the black twitter version of Becky.
*Beyonce's version of Becky
Tbh black people use the word becky a lot to describe a white girl. Like beyonce i guess idk.
@@stanfatou2002 Maybe that is more prevalent amongst black Americans? My entire family on the mother's side is black, and I am half black and I have never heard that.
Its age 18-35 is a Becky and 35+ is a karen
Am I tripping?? I remember in the earlier 2000s, whenever someone was playing a (what would now be considered offensive and obnoxious) stereotypical black woman they'd call her "Shaniqua". And that was okay? But using what was largely a joke to emphasize the disparity in treatment between people... isn't?
karen is racist, thats the thing. "shaniqua" is just a stereotypical black girl and part of her character ISNT racist unlike karen whos character is RACIST.
You're almost there
I think you're trying to point out the hypocrisy.
Nobody cared when people were making fun of Black women but now that White women are being made fun of in a similar way, it's "problematic"
Star cherry, I believe that you do not understand. Karen is used as a broad term, not just towards white women. Black women can be Karens as well. However, Shaniqua is used specifixally towards Black women, which is what makes it racist. I'm sorry if there are any spelling mistakes here, as I'm using my kindle to write this, as it's hard to type on it.
@@castalia120 No I DO understand. "Shaniqua" was a very common Black name at the time. Along with "Shawanda." My point is nobody defended Black girls and women at the time, and these stereotypes were harmful for an entire generation of Black people. Nobody wants to name their kid that anymore because everyone thinks it's rachet/ghetto, and people that have that name STILL struggle to get jobs and be taken seriously.
Now that White women are facing a similar taste of their own medicine with the name, "Karen" a common stereotypical name for a White woman. More people calling it problematic.
Any time someone calls you a Karen you're being associated with a stereotypical entitled White woman. Just like how anybody named Shawanda was associated with being a stereotypical rude low class Black woman.
Stereotypes are dumb we ALL know anybody with any type of name coming from any background, can be rude, entitled and low class. But our society is less willing to call out harmful stereotypes towards Black women than they are White women. Names like Shaniqua and Shawanda were used on comedy shows for YEARS for laughs, and faced not one minute of backlash.
The name Karen is getting news coverage and video essays titled "is it problematic?"
Ah, okay. Reading your first comment, it seemed different.
A Karen actually commented on my video ABOUT Karens. She reassured me that ‘Karen’ is a racist term, and even called me “young lady” in her comment lol. I know Karens exist, but I was surprised to come in contact with someone who genuinely believed that ‘Karen’ was a racist slur😂
Confused Clown
To be fair, didn’t this video specifically refer to Karens as white only with white privilege? That has definitely racist undertones.
@@WesternkindArt No it does not! Yall wanna be oppressed so fucking bad on this app!
@@WesternkindArt if the 'Karen' is white. She will automatically have white privilege. I don't see the issue. Not all white women are named 'Karens' it's mostly based off of personality traits
RACIST?!?!!? Tf...
They have this idiotic message it goes like this:
Stop saying Karen:
"Karen" is a sexist and racist term equivalent to the n-word for white women.
Calling a woman "Karen" is an attempt to get rid of women's rights to stand up for themselves
They think it's equal to the N-word yet they say it 3 times in the paragraph
the fact that the video is actually divided into sections now is throwing me off
Same
goofywillspankyou if you put timestamps in the description yes
i thought it was for ads. i was like 'oh she's in her bag'
Ok Karen
I love it 😅
I think the problem with the idea of a “Karen” is that young girls that go on the internet and see videos of women standing up for themselves but then getting called Karen’s, will discourage those same girl for being assertive and standing up for themselves.
Yes!!!
This is the entire intent of the Karen trope. Silencing women. The whole "we're just aiming at racist entitled white women" fig leaf is only sleight-of-hand. Racism, entitlement and rudeness are not gendered, but this trope pretends they are. Meanwhile, racist, entitled, rude white men walk away scot free, as intended.
Last year I saw a woman park into a handicap spot just to get a smoothie.
Where I live, you can get a special license plate that indicates that you are disabled and she did not have it. When I told her that she was in the handicap spot, hoping that it was an accident, the first thing she said was “Oh, I’m just gonna be in and out.”
Yes, I do understand that there are invisible disabilities, but the way she acted did not indicate that and she did move her car out of the handicap spot shortly after I confronted her (which she did very hastily and nearly rear ending the car behind her).
When I posted the story on Reddit, instead of being praised for standing up for the disabled, I was called a Karen for confronting someone committing an illegal act with only a few people siding with me. I’m autistic and I have never encountered a wild Karen before, so how was I supposed to know how to properly interact with one?
I only wanted to do the right thing, and yet I was told by both my mother and random people on the internet that I should just mind my own business.
@@madisoncarbine6283 this is exactly the problem, there is a difference between being assertive and being aggressive, and that line is constantly blurred with the Karen label
But standing up for yourself and being malicious/entitled/nosey/mean are different
yeah the lady with the bikes is not a Karen, she is just doing her job
As John Mulaney once said
"If you are comparing the badness of two words, and you can't even say one of them, that one is the worse word."
:|
This is the comment I was looking for
Karen isn’t really a person; she is a...
1) Lifestyle
2) State of being
3) Mindset
4) Goddess of torment and pain (according to some people).
Yes
Ok i love this
Live Laugh Love
Lmao this is perfect💯😂
Goddess is a nice way of putting it. More like Goblin of the Underground with a horrible hair cut and disgusting style choices.
Finallly someone who says black instead of POC.
u can be a POC w/o being black tho...
Emma C
That’s why its important to be specific
Linguini Ok, I thought they were just hating on the phrase POC entirely hahaha but that makes sense
In this context it makes sense though, she was speaking about black people.
Push to talk Over Cellular?
“The search for a scapegoat is the easiest hunting expedition.” Dwight D. Eisenhower
The only karen we must respect is planktons wife.
What a trooper m8
She dosen't even a act like a Karen, she just have problems with her husband. We rarely see her Karen mode when she was broke up by Karen 2.0
this comment wins
I heard this in his voice hahah
The best Karen!
That really extreme "The customer is always king" mentality, to the point where you can get a refund AND a new drink for example, it's such an inherently American thing. If you tried that in most places in Europe, while being rude on top of it, they'd tell you to kindly just leave the store, maybe with some exceptions in cases where it's an American franchise lol.
So true
Right, and if you refused to leave they may call cops on you
Lily M. Same in Nepal hahahaha they will probably be thrown out
completely, we had an understanding at my work (in the uk) that we wouldn't serve coffee to people who were rude or aggressive, like no we don't want you as a customer if you're going to behave like that lol - sadly not the case everywhere but i wish it was
Exactly .. it seems very american
As a retail worker, I NEVER make a decision about questionable returns. I say, "I can't accept this, wait and I'll call the manager." Experience has taught me that management will usually override the decision of the employee to show their authority. That's why Karens ask for them so often. Getting the manager right away robs the Karen of the pleasure of seeing the employee "put in her place," and robs the manager of the pleasure of undermining the employee.
I'm glad I had the opposite experience when working in retail. I knew that when I called the manager for those entitled and difficult customers, she'd just repeat what I had told them, and send them on their way, so it was pretty funny to see, on my end. I did work at a very small business at the time, so that probably was part of it
In South Africa we used to call “Karen”, “Madam” because they have similar characteristics to Karen’s including the fact that they’d speak down to their domestic workers, make them wear their cleaning uniform while at shopping with “Madam”
Weirdly I have only ever seen Indian employers treat domestic workers that way.
"Madam" sounds better. I feel sorry for the women called Karen who are not "Karens" at all :(
I love it
The color of your hair, shirt, and eyeshadow makes your eyes pop perfectly, and then you went the next level and color coordinated your entire background to be as perfectly aesthetically pleasing as possible. Now that's dedication!
The fact her pillows match her personal look... My eyes are satisfied lol
I only have a problem with the use of "Karen" when incels co-opt it and use it to dismiss any woman they don't want to listen to.
Exactly!
But that's most of the time now...
Okay Karen
@@minuteman1458 thanks for proving her point😅
They've probably been listening too much to their "Karen," Karen Straughan.
My ONLY question is: why don't we have these names for men?
A Karen is someone who will be super judgy about the little things, but not really care if their neighbor's house burns to the ground.
“They will verbally abuse you until you burst into tears. Happened to me once or twice... I’m sensitive.” girl me too don’t even worry about it.
Same ((
Same😭
When you said that the Karen archetype "weaponizes her privilege", I think you hit the nail on the head. A white woman has privilege in the US, and can't help that. The decent thing to do is to learn to recognize it, acknowledge its unfairness and work to reduce it, and be a decent human being. Using what's already an unfair advantage to bludgeon people is Karen behavior.
That's the thing people should be taking away from this.
A white male has significantly more privilege. Where is his name?! Ah yes, that's right, it's his while male privilege not to be called an anything
@@amlaaaa479 I heard people calling such men as "Kevin". Haha
@@idontevenhaveapla7224 damn you b comin at me for no reason lmao
it's funny to me how on other countries there's different versions of Karen. on Latin America and the Spanish speaking community the Karen Meme has transitioned to a young lady, on her mid 20s to mid 30s who owns a cat or multiple cats.
Whenever there's a meme, and a cat has a line/dialogue, it refers to its owner as Karen, doesn't matter if the owner is male or female their name is gonna be Karen.
In Germany Karen is A Katrin
I genuinely appreciate the socially conscious content that's not alienating or outright insulting to conservative-leaning viewers
The worst part of working in customer service/retail was seeing the managers treat horrible customers like gold and completely invalidate the employees’ experience of being harassed on a daily basis.
I did customer service too and if I followed store policy, a Karen would get mad, a manager would get involved, they'd break policy to "make it right", and I'd subsequently be talked to on how to deal with angry customers. If I didn't follow store policy in order to make things right for the customer, I'd get talked to on how to follow store policy. Its a lose- lose with Karen.
I once had a Karen yell at 17 year old me over the phone because she didn't get her pizza delivered, I tried to explain the restaurant was closed now and ovens shut down but the owner would give her a free pizza or refund the next day. UNACCEPTABLE. I was stupid enough to give her my name, she contacted the owner and said she wanted me fired or she'd do whatever Karen thing she threatened idk. Instead of the owner sticking up for me, a 17 year old who not once raised my voice to this woman, apologized profusely and explained exactly why I was unable to do anything about it that night but told her we would get her taken of - he told her he fired me. Grow. A. Pair.
That's because managers are usually Karen's themselves, they hate younger employees out of jealously so enjoy when customers attack them. I genuinely started my own business so that I would NEVER have to deal with a Karen manager again. Every manager I had in retail was a Karen, bitchy, bossy, sadistic, cruel and jealous of any girl younger and prettier than them. They would make all of our lives a living Hell. I dont have employees because I dont need them but I also dont want to be someone's boss. But if I did have employees I'd treat them well, like people, not livestock. It's a happier environment, it's bad enough working all day everyday and seeing your boss more than your own family, its cruel to antagonize and make your workers feel like shit all day for no reason 🙄
I work in customer service over the phone for a pretty big telecom in the US (which I'm not legally allowed to say the name of haha) and I have to deal at least once per day with a Karen, though because it's such a big company, even if Karen threatens to leaves a bad review online and tell all her friends how horrible the service is, my supervisors won't get her what she wants if it's against the established policies, but they'll never believe when you tell them "my sup won't do it either, I'm trying to get you a solution and save your time"
Ten years of this later and I have CPTSD.
I agree that the term "Karen" has somewhat lost its meaning and, in some contexts, has come to be used to describe pretty much any woman a person doesn't like. "Karen" is supposed to refer to a specific kind of rude, entitled white woman, but now I'm seeing it used to refer to women expressing legitimate concerns or just doing their jobs, which really doesn't sit well with me.
Agreed. I remember there was an incident on twitter regarding the she ra voice actress where she saw a joke about her on the guillotine and she, understandably thought it was a death threat and called it out. To be fair she could’ve handled it better but everyone was calling her a Karen for this. Edit: for context, the op was a minor however it was unclear. And it was meant as a joke and to say they loved her but I still understand why she was worried.
I feel exactly the same way... I think in some ways it has become a way to silence women who do speak up about things and in these situations, it often has a misogynistic undertone. This is so frustrating because I think it undermines the way the word was originally used. In most situations, I think that tiffany's right, that using the word is punching up, but there are definitely some situations where it is not. It seems like it has nestled into the vocab on the right to be a woman who you don't like or a woman with strong opinions, and I feel like that takes away from the meaning the word originally had.
lol so you're problem is that in doesn't refer to ONLY white women
smh
"yea imma apart of da anti-white white club"
Which name do you use for the rude entitled black women? I know plenty of those.
yeah, and this is where it becomes mysogynistic, it just disregards that woman's opinion. Why would you bother thinking about what she has to say if you can just call her a karen and be done with it? Oh, you just don't wanna hear about what she has to say because you don't like it? that's mysogyny, folks! When the Karen meme appeared, I was sure it was only a matter of time before it turned into another "name for women we don't like" and wow, that never happened before but once again I was right.
It's the same with slut, whore or bitch. I mean, it's always mysogynistic to call a woman any of those names, but nowadays you can be a slut or a bitch for simply saying no to whatever someone wants you to do. Don't want to leave your number? Slut. Complained to your boss about someone not doing their job, which impacted your own workload? Bitch. Same thing.
In latin america a Karen is a person who lives with a cat, just saying
Haha, that's so funny.
Hahaha!!!
OMG which country is this from? My fam is from Honduras and I haven't heard this one LOL
@@pcarebear1 I'm from Chile, but I've seen some memes in mexican pages too. It's basically a funny pic of a cat saying something to his "Karen" /human. I just saw one with a cat looking through the door and it had written "Karen, I caught you cheating on Karen macho" 🤭
Yes! Its about the cat complaining about her owner to her owner and its the funniest thing ever
The idea of a Karen can be applied to any woman (almost always white) by anyone for any reason depending on the definition the person uses, which is why I have a problem with it. In this video Tiffany has to continually deflect the fact that she'll be called a Karen while herself calling people a Karen at the end of the video. Personally I agree with her definition of a Karen, and having worked at the same retail chain I very much understand the type. However the entire concept is problematic and ultimately is prone hurt and hate, (I believe literally).
I agree with you, but it‘s not only almost always white women. I work in a pharmacy and a good half of women who treat me very poorly are actually black (sometimes they call me very inappropriate names or yell at me because I‘m „white and entitled“ - mostly the situations when they want to get a refill of very strong painkillers that they no longer have valid prescription for, or when I don’t speak their first language, usually Spanish/Portuguese/French - so the situations that I can’t really help). The reverse racism is unfortunately still a thing. The amount of times I‘ve been called a „white wh**e“ and had to bring the boss to talk to them…
She's deflecting because she's a hypocrite. She knows she's a hypocrite and even likes to brag about it, in a fake-jokey kind of way.
I have ABSOLUTELY misjudged the length of a Starbucks line pre-train, ordered and then stood there like "oh no, I'm definitely going to miss my train". I have both left/cancelled drinks in coffee stores AND missed trains because of this, and never once has it occurred to me to be like "excuse me, can you MAKE MINE FIRST" lmao cannot believe that.
Ugh the amount of times I would hear “Im late can you speed it up?” during a morning rush was astounding! Is it my fault you don’t know what time management is??
@@jess5691 Hey girl! Funny to see you on here, I hope everything is going well :) The expedited coffee dude situation is so ridiculous, hopefully customers like that start to recognize that doesn't apply to all cafes/coffee shops. Take care! :)
you're definitely not a Karen but I could see you being an "anti-Karen", like those rare rare older women that jump in to defend employees when a Karen starts berating them. that confident Karen attitude but for good instead of evil
#karens4justice
That's basically the concept of superheroes and supervillains lol
Karen's ultimate weakness, her older sister Sharon who tips and always says thank you
What makes you think they are rare?
The anti-Karen is the lady that sees a Karen screaming at a poor server to the point of tears, and quietly calls them over to her table. She apologizes and denounces the Karen's behavior, she has no idea what's gotten into her. She tells the server they're actually doing a fantastic job on such a busy night. She's a Wholesome Wendy, and she's a gem.
Omg that corona karen who is spitting is actually a Feral Cheryl.
Feral Cheryl 😂😂😂
YES YOUR COLOR COMBINATION I LOVE IT YUSSSSSS
The super dark blue cushions contrasting with the warm pink ones, tge warm pionks everywhere without being too much, the really dark wood of the bed, and then in the mirror you see that cool, almost blueish, black furniture reflecting so you also have a blue shade twice, and then theres the warm brown of the mirrors and omg your eyes are also blue but a lighter shade, so it's super easy to look at you as you speak because contrast and
I am SO tempted to use it as inspiration for my drawings
May I also add that the Karens exist in Latino communities as well and they’re VERY vocal and prominent. Just today I heard a middle aged Mexican woman openly speaking about her own fear of “morenitos” meaning black people and how she didn’t trust them, and how they are scary and blah blah I stopped listening. The point is I’ve grown up listening to similar remarks my whole life and I’m so sick of it because it can be just a meme but it definitely shows a more deep rooted racism not only within white people but also among other poc against black people and it needs to be talked about more imo.
I'm latina and I agree very much with you. In Mexico these women are mostly white, ultra catholic and upper middle class. They dislike being brown or dark but preach their religion and how everyone should spread love.
@Sara, Why does she add "itos" to Moreno? Is it a way to further diss black people---referring them to be "little"? Morenitos---doesn't that translate into "little back people"?
@@user-gs2lc7vr7p "ito" is a disminutive and its used in the word morenitos or negritos bc some people are scare to say the word moreno (brown) or negro (black), bc they dont wanna sound racist (???)or in this case to minimize the racism in what they are saying. sorry if you dont understand im from chile and english isnt my first language.
@@user-gs2lc7vr7p Yes, generally the "ito" and "ita" ending serves as diminutive but they can have other connotations. Some of these connotations can be positive or negative. In Mexico (I cannot speak for all spanish speaking contries) it can be used to convey affection, a lot of people would consider "negrito" and "negrita" to be terms of endearment for exemple. But given the context I believe in this case it's used as a patronizing way to refer to darker skinned people, which includes people of native american descent.
@@user-gs2lc7vr7p as you said, "ito" is little but in latino countries and communities (especially in Mexico) it also works like when you say "itty bitty witty", "eenie minnie" etc. As you see, you can say something is "teeny tiny" and it's either cute, neutral or very disrespectful depending on the case and the tone. Mexican Karens (I STAND BY MY POINT THAT MEXICAN KARENS ARE "CÑORAS", FITE ME) use it in a disrespectful manner. ...It's disrespectful anyway in the case of "morenitos", but there's also tone deaf Karens that think brown people are cute and go "aww, un morenito". Please note: We haven't gotten past "dearly" calling black people "negrito"
When I worked as a waitress I was the victim of soooo many Karens I lost count. I have become a Karen expert. I should be honoured with a PhD in Karenology
Damn. No wonder people hate working at customer service jobs
But what's the male equivalent of Karen? Kyle? Cause I got a lot more male Karens js
My mom had a Karen moment at the DMV, when she took my sister for her driving test. She went off on the lady at the desk and marched up to the security guard bc of "racial discrimination" (she's hispanic). My sister apologized for her, she was so embarrassed.
I'm so sorry for you.
I remember watching a let's player who changed his name to karen in a game but was acting the same way that he always did. Suddenly someone started threatening and harassing him, and telling him to kill himself while everyone else climbed on board. Again he wasn't acting any worse than before, and not even like a "Karen" in his trolling. It was insane and tbh I'm just highkey creeped out by the hatred surrounding the name.
You put so much research and work into these videos! This is so amazing and I love all of the different perspectives from guest speakers! Love it!
You should track the use of the term “simp” like PLEASE it has evolved so RAPIDLY
It's from the black community. We've been using it for years.
Yeah and I'm so confused 😂
Ever since chuds on 4chan and Incels (I know, lots of crossover) started using it I see it in literally any context where a man defends or sides with a woman for any reason.
It's so irritating to see what started as an anti-sexist term (calling out losers who give women special treatment for their ulterior motives) being used as a sexist term (anyone who thinks women deserve anything ever).
It's soooo annoying how people seem to use the word for every single thing now, with no regards to its meaning
Ashildr The Swift I agree
There should be a similar term for men tbh. I've had some terrible experiences with men in service jobs like a man coming into the sandwich shop kitchen to yell at me personally to make his sandwich even though I was a cashier who'd never been trained in the kitchen and there was no space on the line for anyone else to hop in. In general the fact people would walk into that restaurant, see the line of cars around the building a line nearly out the door and then be fucking surprised that their food takes 30 minutes or so astounds me.
I think I saw them referred to as Kevins on twitter.
PforPanthera the “John s”
My vote is for Kenneth
In my experience, I have never seen a woman do any of these things (at least to this extreme) in real life. Many times I have seen a man make a big deal in stores, and on several occasions I've even seen screaming men attempting to start a fight with employees/intervening customers.
I heard the male version is a Richard
One of the sweetest volunteers at my food bank is named Karen. You can't slam her name, and tell her to ignore it. Don't use a personal name, think of some more honest and creative ways to describe the behaviours you dislike.
it'll take a very, very long time for this meme to die down. :(( It's out of our control. It sucks and I hate it but that's the internet for you. Much love to that Karen! (I'm Karen myself and I'm Asian so seeing my name being shit on all over the internet just feels so surreal)
hey tiffany, i just came across your internet analysis vids last night and i have been hooked since! i think more than anything, your videos encourage me to not take everything at face value and to be a more "stingy" internet consumer. thanks!!
“Weaponize their privilege” YES.
I find it so funny when they say Karen is on the same level as the N word. Do you get shot, don't get a job or are oppressed?
Erm....the reason they say that is because you use someone's race as part of the attack. The black community invented the term to describe WHITE women. The other word was used by the white community to describe black people.
Both are wrong. I've met "karens" of all generations, races and backgrounds. Until I saw this video I had no idea that it was invented to describe white women who embodied those characteristics. I've met far more Asian women who act this way than white.
You think that being white means you can't get harassed by the police??? You know who gets harassed by the police more than anyone? People with mental health issues. Doesn't matter what colour their skin is, most cops are sadists and I've seen them try to wind people up who clearly have such health issues and when they react use that as a reason for arrest and then use "reasonable force" on them. The police are awful towards lots of people...a lot join the police force cause they can physically hurt people and not be subject to criminal investigation and prosecution. In the UK, someone can be injured in custody and as long as it hasn't resulted in death or a very serious impairment then it's investigated internally, I. E. The senior of the officer gets to deal with it. Any evidence is not available to the victim, and it often gets written off as reasonable force based on evidence only they get to see. If they were investigated for criminal assault then they wouldn't be doing this to people!
I work for a mental health charity and have heard plenty of stories of this happening. There were no higher instances of such treatment occurring against people of colour, and I live in London.
You know there are facts, studies, personal accounts and hundreds of other resources to dismiss what you said. PoC suffer far more from racism.
Green Penguin you don’t get targeted by the police for being white tho. if they’re getting targeted because they have a disability, then they’re not getting targeted for being white.
Watch someone say "Yes" lol
@@dvb5670 I'm not saying that it doesn't happen...of course it does. But, in this day and age and where I live, you're actually seeing the opposite happening. If the police want to randomly arrest someone to meet their target for arrests, they are more likely to go for a white male because they won't get accused (quite rightly in many cases) of being racist for doing so. The more arrests they have the more productive they appear.
The point is that if you're white you can still be targeted by the police for no reason and as a white person you have no comeback for it at all. The worry of being accused of racism has resulted in a lot of high profile cases actually being ignored by the police and there's plenty of research to back this up.
And the comment I was responding to originally said "do you get shot at by the police"...Obviously I cannot comment in the context of the US as I do not live there. But in the context of British police brutality...it's wrong to suggest that white people don't get targeted. If you want to speak about police brutality, acknowledge that it does happen to everyone and being white gives us no protection. A shitty sadistic police officer won't care about someone's race, age or gender.
And if you're saying it's ok to be targeted by the police due to a disability and that this isn't worse than skin colour....no, it's not worse or better it's still a misuse of power. But the majority of the population whatever their skin colour still think it's ok to have someone arrested due to their mental health. A few weeks back there was a woman wailing in the street where I live, her husband had passed away from the virus and she couldn't be with him. She was having a break down in the middle of the street. A woman called the police on her and said she was disturbing her and her children. The woman having the breakdown was arrested for breach of the peace (a civil offence but still). And guess what...the woman who was arrested was white, probably early 40s. The woman who called the police on her was a young black woman likely in her mid to late 20s. Is that not a "Karen" ? The woman's skin colour has bugger all to do with this, she would have done that if it had been someone of colour also. She was just not a nice person. I've seen her "clapping for carers" at 8pm every Thursday yet she insisted that the police arrest this poor bereaved woman. She was filming it and threatening to post it online and make a complaint if they didn't arrest the woman.
There are good people of all races and bad people of all races, and that's the bottom line. And even if there are stats for the present day showing that more people of colour are randomly targeted, that doesn't demean the fact that white people are also targeted. We should be standing up for each other as human beings against corruption like that, not dependent on someone's skin colour.
Tiffany, I just had to comment on how I'm loving your whole aesthetic! (Of course the message comes first) but from your eyeshadow, to the ombre in your hair, to the pillows, accents, and colours in your background!!!!!
*Chef's kiss* I love it whether it's on planned or not.
Take care of yourself my lovely, I'm just sending u a modicum of appreciation from the other side of the world.
[Analysis] 85%
I mean that's a pretty good grade for someone from the outside perspective.
You're still beautiful tho, so big up yourself for a good job well down. I hope u keep it up. Cuz we don't need any fairweather friends. Not that this weather is fair at all!!!🤗🐈
The physical aspects doesn't matter.
It's the behaviors that's important to recognize.
other characteristics that would contribute to someone being called a Karen includes:
-being antivax
-liking essential oils
-naming children weird ways (ryvir, katthlynn, jossiliyn)
-weird bumper stickers
-wine jokes
-"live love laugh" + kokopelli symbol
-being involved in multi level marketing
I don't think there's anything wrong with liking essential oils (I don't use them personally, but I know they have good aromatherapy benefits). I DO think there's something wrong with:
1. buying them from an MLM, and
2. claiming that they cure/prevent illnesses, when they definitely do not
What about the Facebook memes with cheesy sayings or puns and the minions from Despicable Me? Or is that just more of a boomer thing?
@@lasagna312 absolutely nothing wrong with essential oils! I use them sometimes! I just felt like pointing out some other reasons someone could be called a karen. (Both harmful, and innocent)
I like essential oils. They smell good. :'(
@@jacobjb I agree.. people are called karen for liking harmless things *sometimes* :'/
As someone who lives in Minneapolis, the racism part hit a bit differently today...
I hope something actually happens now. That people finally join together to *demand* change!
You don't deserve to live in fear like this, and none of those people deserved to die like that.
The whole discussion is really nice, even more with bringing in several different people to voice their view on it. The souther accent part was pretty cool too, it might be my favorite accent from the US :D Cheers from Germany!
“Are all women Karens? No Karens are Karens. If you’re behaving like a Karen that’s on you.” This reminded me of something. I was talking with some friends (at the time) and one of the guys wouldn’t stop dwelling on how violence against women and domestic violence in particular aren’t a real issue at all. I shared some of my experiences with it and the things I’ve seen. We started arguing, everyone present was on his side. I wasn’t surprising or new to me at all (I’m from Eastern Europe) but what was really interesting is the reasoning. In the middle of our argument one of the girls said to me “Some woman just behave in a way that shows they deserve it” to which I replied “If some woman do maybe you do as well?” she replied something along the lines “Why the f are you insulting me? I’m not talking about all woman. Only the ones who really deserve it. If I behave myself, I’ll never end up battered. If you do that’s on you honey, if you don’t want to be beaten up don’t act like a bitch.” Then a few of the guys said things like “See, she gets it, only women who are really asking for it get beaten up” others just nodded approvingly. It’s been three years, I haven’t spoken with any of those people since. A month an a half ago I found out that girl’s boyfriend has abused her. Even though I feel really sorry for her I must say I got confirmed in my belief. It is not how it works, people can do things to you, call you names regardless of whether you “deserve it” or not. Karen meme is outright sexist. Calling it sexist wouldn’t be denying black people a vocabulary to describe their oppression since most of those who use it are white males. It’s kind of the same story as calling white girls basic white bitches why don’t you call guys basic white jerks, why isn’t that a thing? If someone is racist it doesn’t mean you suddenly have the right to be sexist. If you recognise that racism is a despicable form of discrimination why won’t you do the same with sexism? White women aren't the only people who act entitled and get away with it. So many racist white man and stil no term for them... Why not change Karen to Donald?
I know, right? That is so fucking sexist! Love the Trump analogy btw
I don't think the two are really comparable. Those women are judged by their behavior towards other people in public. Those people you met are part of what seems a systemic/cultural pathology that justifies abuse (may we live to the day victim blaming is not a thing anymore). Kind of like the "karens " who believe it is within their rights to harass other people.
As for the white guys, there's Kyles, Jareds, Aiden Brayden and Okeydens, or the poshy wait-till-my-father-hears-of-it rich boys. They don't have a name I think.
Can you be any worse with this analogy? Are you seriously comparing getting r•ped/assaulted for what you wear and the liberty to choose to dress certain way with doing phucked up things and getting called a phucking name for it? No! Its not sexist. It can be used in a sexist manner but its not sexist. The video has pretty much presented it why.
Now if you're wonder why there's no male equivalent then ... there is kevin already. So, why isnt Kevin as popular as Karen? Because black twitter has a history of making popular memes and as corona started, the amount of karens pertaining their social behaviour coupled with the spare time people had in their hands made this meme gigantic.
And another factor goes to the fact that many, with an emphasis on MANY upper class women behave this way versus men of same social and economic class group. Reason, you may ask? Because, regardless of where you live(even in most gender equal nations), a upper class household has husband outearning their wife(mostly). Which basically means the household is upperclass because of the economic contribution of the husband and not wife. And if there's one thing earning your own s#it teaches, its that you should be humble about it.
In my life, I've met so many people this way and dare I say *most* were women(upperclass) with no job and living off their husbands money and its not hard to see where that snarks comes from.
You are not a “Karen” you’re a Tiffany! You are aware of your privilege and you speak on your perspective. I am a black woman who is also a server and honestly have been using the term “Karen” for years. I thought it was pretty common because other servers also knew the term. It’s kind of weird to see it become a straight up meme.
ok but wait a minute i did not know that you could but timestamps the correspond with titles. and also can we appreciate how she matched her eyeshadow with her hair!!
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It's like everything is satisfying all of my Virgo👌🏾 😂
Tiff deserves our love and undivided attention. And she matched much more than eyeshadow and hair 😍
I just binged watch some of your videos and I absolutely love your content keep up the good work :)
Can you please analyze the “Kyle” next lol
Its a shame you have to censor words like rac*st b/c of the algorithm
Agreed! Really makes it difficult to have important conversations on this platform
tiffanyferg girl i hope to see the day where youtube starts caring about important conversations
You know it's bad when the word "slur" has become a slur?? Lmao
Yet CZcams has no problem letting other actually toxic youtubers run free.
Pawel Bolek agreed. I had to pause the video because I was confused about what word was censored.
I just got off my shift at “large coffee chain” and I twitched a little when “Karen” ordered her drink. You right, we’ve got many “Karens”. I once had a woman practically throw coffee at me because we got her drink wrong 🙃🙃🙃 Ironically we have a regular actually named Karen and she’s super sweet.
I used to work at another, more UK based "large COffee ch(ST)Ain" and I remember the first drink I ever served, it was given to a woman who brought it back to the counter and the exchange went like:
Woman: smiling sickeningly "hi so are you new here?"
Me: "yes it's my first day :)"
W: "right ok this drink tasted really bad and I want someone else to make it" *hands glass to my colleague right in front of me*
Me: ......................... :'(
Is this a Karen or just a nasty lady?
The company policy is that you can bring it back, but she was rude to a service worker and exerted her """"power"""" to purposefully make me feel bad.
Right? My husband works at Large Coffee Chain and I’m pretty sure he’s ranted about the exact same scenarios shown in this videos like once a week lol. Though I think he has more run-ins with male Karens (Karls?)
Throw 👏🏿 that 👏🏿 shit 👏🏿 right 👏🏿 TF 👏🏿 back!
That customer gone learn today!
@@bethanytalbot2445 are you worried you will get sued or something mate 😂😂
Bethany Talbot One of our regulars always finds something wrong with her chai latte when someone new makes it. I had made her drink before and always managed to have the milk bubble over and splash everywhere but she never complained. Then, once I had finally made it absolutely perfect, she and I made eye contact as I set it down by the bar (she hadn’t seen who had made it all those times before), and boom! It was wrong. It had to be remade. 🙃🙃😢
I love that you collabed with amandabb!!! 💙💙she’s great
I think maybe the idea of "Karens" does have maybe a slight sexist bent, if only because it was conceived as a gender-specific insult that cannot by used on men. There's been some talk of "Darrens" and other male equivalents, but it's a sidebar to the meme, not the meme itself. We like to sensationalize women when they get ragey and entitled more than we do men, who lose it at least as often that way and there's a double standard there. That said, we do need to talk about how women use entitlement and race and class privilege specifically, and this is a useful way to do so. Most Karens are indeed asshole humans before the sexism aspect of calling them so is considered.
Yeah it annoys me the internet focuses mainly on women Karens.
Just call the men Karen too.
It is so sad that you have to censure the word "racist" because if not this video might be taken down or demonetized
Good to know. I was wondering why it was
it's the same for comments on videos too!
but it's not even monetized....? I got no ads. So... pointless effort? at least not taken down.
And that's how freedom of speech dies a slow death
I would like to take this opportunity to say my mom is named Karen and she’s a lovely accepting person. She’s only spoken to a manager once and it was to make sure the correct worker got the large tip! She breaks the stereotype and I am proud.
This is so wholesome. Oml I love this
Same here!!!
My mom is named Karen too! And were black lmao it's been weird to watch this meme grow
Yessss
Very nice comment. My mom is named Karen, too. She's just a quiet older lady who minds her own business and tries not to cause trouble, so definitely not a "Karen." She's not super pop culture savvy, so I hope no one tells her about this meme. It might hurt her feelings to see her name dragged through the mud by people 15 years younger than her who act terrible and selfish.
I'm with you with the meme purism lol. Using a meme in a way that differentiates so much from its original meaning that it's something completely different is honestly just the same as using a word incorrectly. It bothers me so much. Also your colour coordination is so on point, I was literally sitting here thinking multiple times how good it looked with the hair, the shirt, the makeup, the cream/dark blue/orange background :D
This was really interesting, I didn’t realise how deep it went, thank you!💗
"Karen" is a name/term that describes someone's character, the n-word only describes someone's race. This is why I can't take the idea of "Karen" being a slur seriously.
Right, I agree. If you’re calling someone out for their behavior (something they can change), it should not be seen as derogatory. Whereas when people insult static characteristics about a person like race and religion then it gets derogatory.
Karen is as much of a slur as 'shrew' or 'egomaniac'.
Ie: It isn't.
I def agree. This might be a volatile subject but I feel like lately I’ve been seeing more and more ppl using racism as an excuse not to change their behavior, like if you say anything about their nasty actions you’re automatically racist and your opinion means nothing. To each their own of course but at some point it becomes detrimental to ourselves and others to ignore constructive criticism about our behavior. Same thing with some overweight ppl or feminazis, they’re convinced ppl could only not like them strictly bc of their appearance when in reality it’s their incredibly sucky personality that pushes most ppl away. Like it has nothing to do with appearance, I just don’t like you or think you’re a nice/good person??? It’s crazy how people can’t wrap their head around that. If someone doesn’t like my personality it hurts quite a bit bc I’m a ppl pleaser at heart and kinda really want to be liked by everyone but I also know there’ll always be ppl that won’t like me no matter what and I have to let them have their own feelings & perspective. Maybe I’m the only one experiencing this but I feel like I’d like to hear more ppl talk about it:)
While true, I have been called a Karen and a Becky for no other reason because I dared to criticizes this sort of famous woman for something she and her husband has done, the woman happens to be bi-racial.
I am as far from a Karen or Becky as can be. But It hurts, just as any name calling does- maybe I’m just sensitive 🤷♀️.
So yes, sadly, it is now being used as a slur against any white woman who happens to hold a a view the person does not agree with.
Yes, but you would never call a black woman "Karen", only a white woman.
PLEASEEEE from here on out reference the quailities of a Karen as “karen-teristics” 😂
Consider it done! I was talking to my mom yesterday about Karens (my mom kind of is, but not as bad as some), and I wish I would have used that haha.
i waited to watch this because i needed a break from "Karens." But this was spot on -- & THANK YOU for crediting Black Twitter and black users for fire memes and start of terms!