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Old West Vignette: Wyatt Earp murders Frank Stilwell
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- čas přidán 31. 08. 2018
- March 20th, 1882 -
Wyatt Earp chased Frank Stilwell over 100 yards over train tracks at the Tucson Train Depot and killed him at point blank range with both barrels of his shotgun.
Wyatt killed this man under the belief that he had been culpable in the murder of his brother, Morgan Earp, although there were no charges nor specific evidence to enforce that belief.
Wyatt Earp and others were indicted for murder in regards to this killing, and you can read the indictment here:
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Join us here on InRange to discuss that killing, along with the irresponsible handling of a city cemetery and more on this Old West Vignette!
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I never realize how much I miss Karl's old west vignettes until they get posted. Thanks for the history.
Did Wyett Warp ever carry a handgun?
@@lynnconley3994 Yes he did. He was notorious for carrying a long barreled Colt Peacemaker.
Lynn Conley yes
These are probably my favorite videos on InRange. Love these historical segments.
I completely agree. These are the best videos on here, and I really do appreciate history since we are doomed to repeat it for eons(hopefully) to come.
If Scooby Doo taught us anything - it's that there are no monster, just deviant real estate agents and morally corrupt property developers.
that is hilarious
Ok?
Lol
Gentlemen from England now abed say estate agents, developers, lawyers, priests and politicians could all benefit from the long drop off a lamppost. Let honest workers profit and enjoy the fruits of their labour
They ARE the monsters.
I love everything about this channel but these historical vids are probably my favorite. I know how much work goes into them it’s much appreciated.
Being InRange is a bit of a "thinking man's shooting channel," i really appreciate the contextual videos like this.
I would really like to see a long form video, or series, about the whole Earp Vs Cowboys story.
Andrew D and the guns they used. Like Earp’s preferred belly gun
Me to with out any fiction
Andrew D
YES!
There are a lot of well written books on the subject and there is a minute by minute round for round account of the shooting from folks that saw it from a building across the street. The Book store in Tombstone has it all.
Not by this guy though, he's inaccurate as the day is long in midsummer
It's hard to call this a fully legal killing, but thinking about Stillwell, there's an old saying that comes to mind: "He needed killing."
@Jefferson Davis yes, he may have been, but consider the rest of them.
Zoomtimes killingt is gud
What were both of the doing in Tucson? In a interview with doc holiday he said they were both in Tucson and heavily armed.
It wasn’t legal he had a warrant against him for this
These vignettes are the best! I really appreciate the work you guys put into them to give a succinct, unbiased view of these historical events.
When the justice system fails people become a law unto themselves and at that point right and wrong becomes a matter of perspective.
EXACTLY! WELL SAID!
Those statues are outstanding.
... outstanding in the sunshine...
At what point does it stop being grave robbing and start being archaeology?
asking the real question
At the point where you do it by the book, dig Wheeler style grid squares, record the stratigraphy, document all the finds categorically and have them stored with references in the local heritage association for future research. You might also need some permits.
A matter of scale: Ten guys privately funded, looters.
One hundred guys sent by a university, archaeology.
Run a city through force: Mafia.
Run a country through force: Government.
Size makes right.
Context. Digging up recently deceased? Is it Forensic Archaeology for a purpose or is wanton looting for valuables? Digging up centuries plus old graves? Same thing.
Like everything in life, context matters, and an identical act that is acceptable under one situation may not be under another.
You know, like shooting someone with a double barreled shotgun. Is is self defense, or murder?
Except when a university now goes on a dig all items must be held and stored in-country. We're no longer living in the 19th century where it was a matter of splitting it 50-50 with colonial overlords. Also looters are not held to account for where they found what and in which condition, things like provenance and context don't really matter when all you're doing is hawking it to the highest bidder.
Always happy to see Karl's old west vignettes. Especially one as in depth as this.
It's actually impossible to judge. We cannot go back in time and live the events. Stilwell may have run off his mouth around town, Earp may have gotten a good look at him during Morgan's murder. Context is everything and in this case, its missing or distorted by time. There has always been a thin line between justice and murder. It's really not my place to judge unless I'm drawing jury pay.
Even if he had seen him was it Earps place to act as judge jury and executioner?
Exactly. If you see someone kill another person and then kill him later, without him posing a direct threat, you're still a murderer.
In the culture of the time, in that place, pretty much yes.
@@byron4545 Well If someone shoots my brother, I guess I become a murderer. No questions.
Western gangsters killed his brother, payback is a cruel cold mistress..."An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth".- The Bible
I love your Old West Vignettes. My opinion of Wyatt Earp has somewhat shifted from these two videos about his killings. Regardless, now I want to see a video on firing both barrels simultaneously of a SxS shotgun. Great video.
By the way, Bob Boze Bell is awesome. I remember him from the History Channel series Wild West Tech.
Its in the video, they show it from multiple angles
@@charliemccutcheon6030 but not into a target to see the power of a 12 gauge
Awesome work Karl, I know these are more work than regular Inrange content, but they are great. Please keep doing them!!!!!
Hell with legalities, Earp did the right thing.
You guys do great content, but the historical analysis like Old West Vignettes and the Lever Action project are my absolute favorites. Keep up the good work!
LOVE the old west vignettes series! I'm honestly not very interested in competition shooting, so I really only watch InRange for this type of awesome content!
Urban developers and city planners has got to be the least decent profession they really deserve even more hate than they already get
I work with a lot of developers as part of my job and it does seem to attract an unprofessional and "money over everything" kind of person. Usually people that already have money and see it as an easy way to get more..... and it really is as you can buy a track of land, spend a few bucks to get it subdivided, and sell for easy profit.
That being said if you find a good developer/builder keep them close as they will be far more willing to take chances and create interesting spaces and communities.
I agree. So stop shopping at Walmart and other strip mall tyle places and support local businesses.
@keith moore jesus dude, im not some left wing diversity obsessed self hating lib, but who gives a shit if they are hispanic? If they speak english, love our way of life, and our constitution theres no reason to not shop there, would much rather give my money to them than souless walmart
I took my son to that railroad museum about a year ago. Never knew this took place right there. Great content.
I'd just finished watching the whole old west vignette playlist and this popped up. that's some next level timing.
Once the surviving Earps moved away, they stopped getting into gun fights. The surviving Cowboys on the other hand continued to rob, rustle and get killed in gun fights. It was a war between two factions in tombstone. Trying to list either party as innocent or murderers is inappropriate.
These vignettes are so under rated and deserve more views
Dude I love your channel, I’m an old west history buff and this is the most interesting channel I have ever come across
Thank you for these videos. Amazing broadcast given to those of us who cannot be there.
I like how George Whitwell Parsons starts off his diary entry with a weather report, before moving onto the horrific murder...
"... and a Der Wienerschnizel across the street" just cracked me up, which was probably an inappropriate reaction under the circumstances, but still.
Karl i really like your old west vignette series but i would like to make a request:
when you made your first video about Wyatt while it defenetatly was interesting and informative,but as a European(Greek) most of the info got over why head, later i researched more about the events and now understand the videos.
The request is if possible on old west videos to do a quick overview of the story behind the video's topic, assuming the total ignorance of topic from the viewer(for example saying as who Wyatt and Doc were what the cowboys were doing etc etc).
Thanks again for those cool informative videos!
Greg Makropoulos
I was raised on these stories and know them backward and forward, but your suggestion is excellent. I would appreciate that too.
Good point. Sometimes here in America we forget everyone around the world doesn't know our little tidbit of history and the people that lived 150 years ago
I really like these historical clips,keep em coming,great channel,nice work.
Like JB books said, he "never killed anybody that didn't need killin'." And Stillwell needed killin'.
Thank you! I love these Old West Vignettes
I rewatched Tombstone recently and all I could think was how much I wished we could get another Old West Vignette...nice timing, Karl :)
I ended up walking past this spot coincidentally on my last visit to Tucson. I recognized it thanks to this video and was able to point it out to my friends.
Love these Old West Vignettes! They're always fascinating.
I find no blame in Wyatt’s actions.
Me neither but the law does unfortunately!
@@NickPenleeWhat Law? There was no legitimate Law in that area.
For his part, Ike Clanton claimed that he and Stilwell were in Tucson for a court appearance and that Stilwell disappeared from their hotel room that night and was found dead the next day.
I really appreciate these Old West Vignettes :) Thanks Karl!
I love these types of videos guys, I know you have tons of other things to do videos on but the old west ones are some of my favorites. Keep up the good work!
Murder is such a harsh word. The Cow-boys swore to kill the Earps and their friends, so, this was just a pre-emptive strike to prevent their own untimely deaths. Case closed. Great video as always.
Agreed
For the Earps it was all about family nothing else, big family stick it out and defend their own.
I'm thinking the guy in video is related to the Cowboys. He always talks negative and lies about Wyatt
Well Wyatt Earp was a murderer and killed at least 1 person before he became a law man...
Whatever the cowboys got from the Earps, they had it coming.
It's never a bad time to dispatch a bad guy.
Knowing cops, I think you may be right.
I always enjoy these. You do a great job with them.
I really love these videos. The history of the wild west relived. Some of the best stuff that I'm sure gets low views. It's too bad.
literally last night i was thinking you hadn't posted an old west vignette for a while....
not being from america i never cared much for american old west history but the way you approach and present it makes it interesting. thank you.
When I think of Wyatt Earp, I remember the 1960's TV series with a clean shaven (i.e. no mustache) Hugh O'Brien as Wyatt Earp. A group of male singers singing a cappella at the beginning of the show and after the show, off camera, in the background, singing the theme song: "Wyatt Earp, Wyatt Earp, Brave, Courageous and bold; Long live his name and long live his glory and long may his story be told." He also had a tall sidekick deputy, called "Shotgun". Because the man's chief weapon was what looked like a 10 gauge double barrel shotgun. :-)
A lot of people try to label Wyatt as a good guy or a bad guy, but they forget that revenge (or vendetta) is more of a personal act that doesn't have much to do with morality
Thank you it was very interesting story
Reminds me of poltergeist movie. They moved the stones but not the graves
Oh my god I always thought these were called old west vinaigrette
Hahahahaha...
Thats Carzy Times. Thanks for the History Lesson!! I like the bit where you actually showed the shotgun firing both barrels!
A fascinating story. and some what poignant as my husband passed over on March 20th 2008 - exactly 100 year later. He had a passion for Cowboy films and stories even though he was British in the UK, as I am also a Brit. We have spent a brief time in Arizona and passed through Tuscon on the Amtrack Railroad. Interesting ... !
Well done story, but SLOW DOWN, you raced through this. Take a breath.
He has to make the video palatable for the new generation of kids. They have the attention span of a hummingbird high on methamphetamine.
I was thinking the same. I didn't have time to paint the mental image between each section of detail. Lol
To somewhat quote Doc Holiday, "its not revenge hes after, its the reckoning".
Glad to see another Vignette. I head down to Az every couple of years from Canada, Travelled through the North and West this April. Next April I will have to travel to the south and Tuscon area.
Go to Tombstone
These are so great! I'd love to see an Old West Vignette on the US Camel Corps in the future!
I love learning the history of this part of the state that I now call home, thanks Karl!
Im from Tucson and learned a little about my home town. Thanks
I don't think your questions about Stillwell's death can be answered by looking through the lens of today into the mists of the past. It was probably murder. But it may have been moral.
kind of what i was thinking. vigilantism may not be legal, but it still resonates with people, even today (e.g. The Punisher, The Equalizer, ...)
Lyle W Very true. Also, one could think of the cowboy faction as a multijurisdictional criminal organization that the legal system was not developed enough to cope (no""RICO" statutes).
Man y'all sound like Behan. Stop with the intellectual crap. Stillwell had it coming.
Lex Talionis !!
Cops kill unarmed people, for much less than Stilwell ever did.
Carl- more of these please... love your perspective on these events
Well that was onesided and predictable. People tend to forget the gunfight was man on man. The cowboys started with 6 men to the 4 of the Earp faction. Three of them ran away including Ike. Then the outlaw faction bushwacked Virgil and Morgan. At this point anyone with common sense knows they are in a war and it is kill or be killed!
Yep...
Thanks again for another great video, these are my favorites keep them coming.
Fascinating stuff.I remember reading a quote,supposedly from the time of Stillwell's killing,which said they didn't know whether to bury him or weigh him in as scrap metal since there was so much lead in him!
I love this content very very much just found it today but this is definitely something you should do more of! so many good old west stories and events, I personally have limited knowledge on these western topics but have always loved them and it started with Clint Eastwood the good the bad and the ugly when i was younger with my dad! awesome stuff karl as usual thanks man for putting effort and love for real history into your work.
Been waiting for an old west vignette, thanks Karl and maybe Ian.
Love these old west vignettes . Keep up the great work guys .
"And a Wienerschnitzel across the street."
No one in the west could've predict the coming of Wienerschnitzel...
A gravestone is as good of a marker for the passing of a life as a pile of bones under the ground. Maybe better. Obviously, we should take respectful care of human remains and not lie about reinterring graves, but for visitation purposes, the headstone is probably better.
It's not murder until a judge or jury says it is. Did they? I wish people would stop confusing homicide with murder.
I love these historical tours. Thank you.
Karl; As an Arizona native, your stuff is terrific! Viva InRange TV!
I went there about a month ago. I did a short video myself on this place. No where near as detailed as yours . Thanks for doing what you do.
That developer went all 'Poltergeist' on that project there.
As the old saw has it; 'The past is another country; they do things differently there.'
Old West Vignettes are the best. Would love to have more of this. I know my buck goes to a good cause.
Thank you, Karl. These stories are one of the reasons I'm a Patreon supporter.
I was just there! Great video guys
Life and death in the wild west....Funny thing though I've grown up in NM, and AZ..and the more things change the more they stay the same...
There's a rumor going around that Billy The Kid may be from your neck of the woods.
Greetings. Given your interest in the old west, have you considered doing a series on the Lincoln county war?
Morgan's murder was a disgraceful act imho. Very sad.
Great video! (per usual) proud to support a channel that makes high quality content hosted by respectful stand up people. (Also Karl thanks for inadvertently introducing me to Skinny Puppy)
Like Wyatt said, “when I left Arizona the killing and robbing had stopped.” Different time and no it was not better or just, it just was.
Karl, one of the contemporary accounts you cited, the saloon keeper,
portrays Doc as the "leader" in the shooting of Stilwell. Is that a reflection of Doc's reputation at the time?
To answer your question -- different times and different place. Be grateful that things have changed.
I know it’s a little out of your usual content era but you should court Dillinger and the hotel congress. My dad took me there for a haircut once and I found it fascinating
Thanks Karl! Yet another awesome history lesson from the town I called home for many years.
The courts proved too fickle to both factions. Had the courts proven themselves, Morgan Earp and Frank Stillwell may not have been killed. At worst, they'd be put on trial and incarcerated. I doubt they'd be executed, even if found guilty, because of mitigating circumstances.
Great history, this is some of my favorite InRange content. Keep at it!
Great Job. Thanks for sharing
I agree with others that these are probably some of the best (even though its all good) content on InRange. I appreciate Karl's dedication and enthusiasm for this interesting subject.
Love the historical videos.
Gonna need both barrels for this one.
Ike Clanton and Stillwell being in Tuscon right at that time, seems like too big of a coincidence.
We need to be careful not to judge Wyatt Earp and his contemporaries by today's legal standards. Where wearing a badge representing the law was sometimes a moral grey area by one's actions. Those must have been real rough times out there on the frontier. Where one's survival depended on your whits, bravado, and the ability to fight well with fists, knives, and firearms.
I really like these videos and i wish you'd post them more offten
As was said in the book "To Die In The West"..."As Wyatt Earp held his brother Morgan's dead body he swore he would have no law but his own".
I see someone else posted this several years back, but it's the first thing that comes to mind: Frank Stillwell needed killin'.
Wait a minute. If Stilwell's body wasn't found until the morning of the 21st, then how was Parson aware of the killing in his journal entry for the 20th?
Thankyou Karl for bringing history to life! BTW, have you read Stuart Lakes 1931 biography on Wyatt Earps life, entitled W. E. Frontier Marshal?
A number of facts which you cite are somewhat different than what I read in this book, which claims W.E. As the primary source of his novel. One specific difference is that Wyatt revealed to the author what Morgan whispered to him. It is very interesting. Anyway, thanks for the time and effort you put into educating many on our countries unique history.
I lived here all my life and never knew any of this. Thank you Carl!
Good point at the end. I would say that when the law fails then vigilantes are needed, but It is a very fine line. One of the books I read on this event focused on what lead up to the shooting and how much politics played into it. Also it mentioned that the word "Cowboy" was a derogatory term at the time. I found that quite interesting.
That lie abut reinterring has happened here in Florida a good deal. We just had an episode in about 2015 or 2016 where a developer was swearing his land was cleared by people in the past. Archaeological digs proved otherwise, and now it seems that the township has to buy the land off of the liar.