Veyran v Osgir v Feather v Lathril | Commander Melee S3:E1 | MTG EDH Gameplay

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Komentáře • 155

  • @gregboulton8230
    @gregboulton8230 Před rokem +30

    Fist of flame cast targeting beamsplitter mage, while there are 3 Veyrans on the field, will create 4 copies of the original spell. The original and the copies will each create 4 treasures, so you would create 20 treasures. Each Veyran would also get +20/+20 as a cast trigger. When the fist of flames resolve, you would draw a card and targets would get +1/+0 for each card drawn so far, increasing by one in the sequence you choose for them to resolve. The beamsplitter mage would get the most +1/+0s because the original resolves last.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem +5

      Wow, this is alot less then we thought. So the Veyrans don't see eachother for extra triggers?

    • @gregboulton8230
      @gregboulton8230 Před rokem +6

      @@KingdomsTV yes and no. Their mage craft ability is affected by all the other veryrans. But their “trigger an additional time” is a replacement effect, so it doesn’t go infinite with the others.

    • @gregboulton8230
      @gregboulton8230 Před rokem +10

      Did I earn a playmat?

    • @Sucrose_Mother
      @Sucrose_Mother Před rokem

      @@gregboulton8230 bro fr lmao

  • @juliancarroll9334
    @juliancarroll9334 Před rokem +13

    Jon's singing was way better than it had any right to be! Good game everyone.

  • @SwaggyP_SJ
    @SwaggyP_SJ Před rokem +12

    I could be wrong but since Veyran's second ability is not triggered by an instant or sorcery, they are actually being triggered by seeing a triggered ability, so they shouldn't cause each other to trigger multiple times.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem +2

      I am seeing a consensus that this might be true. It makes more sense too as it would be way easy to make Veyran go infinite as seen.

  • @kamilwhaley-kalaora4839
    @kamilwhaley-kalaora4839 Před rokem +12

    Multiple veyrans won’t actually trigger themselves additional times, because veyrans second ability is an “if” ability not a “whenever” ability so it’s a static effect not a trigger, so you would’ve gotten 4 copies of fist of flame

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      This is huge. We might not have been dead then at that point!

  • @BrootalMetalBanjo
    @BrootalMetalBanjo Před rokem +5

    Veyran always ends in “I don’t know what’s going on but I think I won”.
    My favorite combo commander, once StormKiln hits the field with Veyran it’s almost always over.

  • @matiassalazar2412
    @matiassalazar2412 Před rokem +9

    Veyran will do Veyran things. Osgir is always so scary, but that was just a beatdown. Good game as always.

  • @santajose
    @santajose Před rokem +5

    Great dynamic with the most popular commander decks and also the right power level

  • @matteobagni1235
    @matteobagni1235 Před rokem +5

    Great series! Not sure why it was not in my yt feed. But I saw the facebook post.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem +1

      CZcams doesn't like us lately. We don't show up in people's feeds very often even when they are subbed. So just know that we put out content at least every week and come check it out!

  • @insertname5195
    @insertname5195 Před rokem +7

    great idea for a series, definitely will be waiting for the next matches to come

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      Coming out every week so make sure to check regularly as CZcams doesn't show us in the feed much lately.

  • @mrjonnymac
    @mrjonnymac Před rokem +4

    wow. Visually stunning, and my brain hurts.

  • @dave7592
    @dave7592 Před rokem +4

    So I need a PhD in mathematics to play Veyran. Truly the most expensive commander deck.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      If your group is like ours once the numbers get high enough we all bow out. Haha…

  • @Jondstrong
    @Jondstrong Před rokem +5

    I loved playing this game so much

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem +1

      It looks like we might have had too many triggers of veryran happening!

  • @VFernandezVega
    @VFernandezVega Před rokem +3

    As far as I know, Stormchaser trigger when he is targeted, so his hability is not triggered by a spell being cast so Veyran is not able to duplicate that trigger.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      I think targets are chosen at time of cast so the cast / target is caused by the spell and would trigger Veyran. I could be wrong, but I think thats how it works.

    • @VFernandezVega
      @VFernandezVega Před rokem

      I'm also not sure, but you can see the diference on text between beamsplitter abd stormchaser. Beamsplitter says "whenever you cast a spell that targets only beam splitter". So it is a conditional cast trigger. Stormchaseris not writen in that way. That's what have me thinking it doesn't trigger aditional times.

    • @hicklw01
      @hicklw01 Před rokem

      @@KingdomsTV you would be wrong. Cast/copy is very specific mechanically. It is about the stack and putting/creating things on the stack. Targeting is its own specific mechanic.

  • @cazzzzzmackay
    @cazzzzzmackay Před rokem +3

    i love the idea of this getting to see all the top commanders battle it out, you guys are always bringing something new to the table in terms of content, keep it up guys!

  • @KeTorqValkarus
    @KeTorqValkarus Před rokem +5

  • @chrisperrell2843
    @chrisperrell2843 Před rokem +4

    Great game. This ending is why I took my Veyran deck apart - if it takes longer to calculate if people are dead than the rest of the game then that commander isn't for me 😄.

  • @exsnypre
    @exsnypre Před rokem +3

    Great game, and the ending was certain regardless of not figuring out all the math (and the mixup in counting up the copies from multiple Veyran). With all those cards and treasures available, Julian was able to completely wreck shop. Fun watch!

  • @jonnybirch2268
    @jonnybirch2268 Před rokem +3

    Good luck with the CZcams algorithm!

  • @caspergarner
    @caspergarner Před rokem +4

    I'm not doing math today, I had to play my Kalamax deck last night and that was enough 😅

  • @genXth3third
    @genXth3third Před rokem +3

    Julian is a mad genius. He's always got complex shenanigans.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem +1

      Right? And they say I’m the one you gotta watch

  • @iMrTillman
    @iMrTillman Před rokem +4

    Veyran is the first deck I ever built and it will always have a special place in my heart, but keeping track off all the triggers and doing the math eventually caused me to gut her :( So powerful and fun if the table is down and your math is strong.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem +1

      Sounded like if the force is strong but maths instead

  • @gregboulton8230
    @gregboulton8230 Před rokem +4

    Someone finally played my zadakrarkashimaveyran deck !!!!!!! I hope it slays.

    • @gregboulton8230
      @gregboulton8230 Před rokem +2

      Replacement effects don’t go infinite with each other.

    • @gregboulton8230
      @gregboulton8230 Před rokem +1

      So happy with the Veyran win. On the downside, I won’t be able to catch people unaware with this deck for a while.

    • @gregboulton8230
      @gregboulton8230 Před rokem +1

      The beamsplitter will make more spell copies when there are more Veyrans.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      I think that name is going to catch on. ;)

  • @mrchuckl3s
    @mrchuckl3s Před rokem +3

    Expressive doesn't actually reveal the top 3 for future reference.

  • @chrispollard5408
    @chrispollard5408 Před rokem +3

    Saw the post sorry some of don't interact as much I'll try and do more!!

  • @ingolf82
    @ingolf82 Před rokem +2

    the thing I find annoying with Joraga treespeaker, unless you play Seton, Krosan protector as your commander, is that you need to pay 3 mana for it to become a mana dork, that is very inefficient, but I get why it is in Lathril, it is an elf.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      It’s a great add in any deck with mana elves. Not the best but not the worst

  • @BinhBurnt
    @BinhBurnt Před rokem +3

    Man, the last turn was insane

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      So much so that I don’t know if we even got it all

  • @alessandrodellanno948
    @alessandrodellanno948 Před rokem +3

    Love this series!! Definitely decided to build spellslingers, don't know if niv mizzet(without curiosity combo) or veyran tho :(

  • @nicov9216
    @nicov9216 Před rokem +3

    Can’t wait for the next game!

  • @ArcFallen1
    @ArcFallen1 Před rokem +3

    That´s why I love Veyran so much!

  • @kurtvanarsdale1837
    @kurtvanarsdale1837 Před rokem +2

    The Veyran ability to add additional triggers is a replacement effect, not a trigger, so they don't add more of each other.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      That was a big learn this game for me

  • @TheManaDorksEDH
    @TheManaDorksEDH Před rokem +2

    Awesome Series! Looking forward to the future epsoides!!

  • @awboqm
    @awboqm Před rokem +2

    I don't think Veyran should copy stormchaser drake triggers. The drake triggers on being targeted, not from you casting a spell targeting it. Since targeting isnt casting, Veyran shouldnt trigger. Veyran's second ability is a replacement effect, not a triggered ability. More Veyrans will not cause trigger chains (same with Harmonic Prodigy).

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      Its not a chain, but they do trigger at least once for eachother because they are wizards ya? I'd love to get to the bottom of it!

  • @tomgentrup1285
    @tomgentrup1285 Před rokem +2

    Saying hello, prompted from today’s announcement!

  • @polarbear1088
    @polarbear1088 Před rokem +2

    Looks like a fun series. Can't wait for more

  • @selmk8240
    @selmk8240 Před rokem +3

    Bruh, feather didn't even come out.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem +1

      I know. Feather has been taken a beating lately. Thats party why I decided to play it. I usually won't player her unless I can protect her too otherwise she just gets blown up. I didn't expect the Veyran win so quick as I did have a Chaos Warp I could have used if I saved mana. Regrets!

    • @sebastiancleveland727
      @sebastiancleveland727 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@KingdomsTV that is why I play with 10+ spells that can protect feather. Most also pump, scry, or cantrip.

  • @chrisyourfriend59
    @chrisyourfriend59 Před rokem +2

    Here to support. Big fan of the content this channel brings.

  • @morten041288
    @morten041288 Před rokem +3

    Love the idea 😉

  • @jonasmueller3551
    @jonasmueller3551 Před rokem +2

    good luck guys

  • @tuantrinh53
    @tuantrinh53 Před rokem +1

    Let @MTG The Stack do the Math. He also is a trigger-math-master ;-) plus a veyran player

  • @nickhollis5308
    @nickhollis5308 Před 6 měsíci +1

    You think that math hurts, wait until vasuvian duplimacy gets added into his veyren deck. Its in mine and things get super wild and fun🤣 and it also triggers additional times and makes armies of veyrens or whatever creature is needed 🤮 Great game guys ❤🎉❤

  • @matthewmihajlovich4390
    @matthewmihajlovich4390 Před rokem +2

    Hello. I'll try and check your channel every week since my feed doesn't seem to be showing your videos

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      Thanks so much! New video each Friday and more right now

  • @dwightpatch4441
    @dwightpatch4441 Před rokem +2

    More fuel for the algorithm!!

  • @odysseuslost
    @odysseuslost Před rokem

    7:00 I don't think Veryan works with Stormchaser Drake due to templating issues. Veryan only checks if casting or copying a spell triggered an ability. Drake reads that it triggers when targeted, not when a spell is cast or copied. It's a subtle difference, but I think it is technically incorrect to draw multiple cards off the Expedite here

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      The targeting at casting happen at the same time so I’m pretty sure it works…

  • @MTG_Ronin
    @MTG_Ronin Před rokem +3

    Insanity

  • @ricogarciaperez4734
    @ricogarciaperez4734 Před rokem +1

    Why did Julian reveal the Cards from his expressive Iteration? The cards says Look at the top 3 not reveal the top 3 🤔

  • @dwightpatch4441
    @dwightpatch4441 Před rokem +2

    This was a great episode!

  • @williambigmac9461
    @williambigmac9461 Před rokem +3

    magic hard

  • @barrel_rider8391
    @barrel_rider8391 Před rokem +2

    Sweet game play!

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      Not too shabby huh?

    • @barrel_rider8391
      @barrel_rider8391 Před rokem

      It’s realistic and not the game knights hour and half of balanced game play bull crap! Also I like seeing commanders I want to build, but can’t, in action!

  • @user-hr6hd4ds5c
    @user-hr6hd4ds5c Před 9 měsíci +1

    Is it possible to copy a legendary creature and keep the original and copy on the field?

  • @justinb845
    @justinb845 Před rokem +2

    I think it ends up being 42069. But I could be wrong

  • @blurryperson2685
    @blurryperson2685 Před rokem +3

    Bump

  • @tuckerjudy8365
    @tuckerjudy8365 Před rokem +3

    Hello!

  • @scaevola
    @scaevola Před rokem +3

    hey!

  • @randyvan5909
    @randyvan5909 Před rokem +3

    Commenting for the algorithm

  • @jackboyle4944
    @jackboyle4944 Před 9 měsíci

    This is why I dismantled my veyran deck lol. Fun commander but such a headache keeping track of all the copies and triggers

  • @afifthofjackgaming
    @afifthofjackgaming Před rokem +3

    hello

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem

      Hey Jack!

    • @afifthofjackgaming
      @afifthofjackgaming Před rokem

      @@KingdomsTV just wanted to let u know ur love watching ur content.. i know how fustrating it can be when u start struggling making content. Im going thru that myself, but gotta power thru it and enjoy the trip going down the tunnel.

  • @adamfisher7099
    @adamfisher7099 Před rokem +1

    Super cool gameplay, but man, I hate Izzet spell copy decks lol.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem +1

      Haha, this is the epitome of that too

  • @TheRDRipley
    @TheRDRipley Před rokem +1

    Jon, STRONGLY disagree that spite plays are "encouraged". If you are saying "hey there must be a penalty for targeting my stuff" I still say that's a little salty but understood. But if you're loudly proclaiming "I'm doing this OUT OF SPITE" then nah man. Not cool. I also understand yall are friends are being goofy and fun so please don't take this "feedback" too seriously.

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem +1

      He’s joking. We still highly encourage playing so everyone has fun. We do try to win in high power too. Thanks for your concern though. :)

    • @jonstrong5843
      @jonstrong5843 Před rokem +1

      Yeah I'm a troll when possible :)

    • @TheRDRipley
      @TheRDRipley Před rokem

      @KingdomsTV oh yeah and I could tell by the reaction of everybody at the table that I was not taken seriously which is good 😊

    • @TheRDRipley
      @TheRDRipley Před rokem

      @Jon Strong I was thinking Ice Queen with your "let it go" riff but troll works too😆

  • @petermullins3935
    @petermullins3935 Před rokem +4

    I’m so glad I decided not to build a veyran deck. 😂😂

    • @KingdomsTV
      @KingdomsTV  Před rokem +1

      Haha, I had one in the past and I got lost in the deck too. :)

  • @dominiquereed2217
    @dominiquereed2217 Před rokem +3

    This is why veyran is bad lmao

  • @Blacklodge_Willy
    @Blacklodge_Willy Před rokem +2

    👋 hello!

  • @morten041288
    @morten041288 Před rokem +3

    Love the idea 😉

  • @danielmulchrone3740
    @danielmulchrone3740 Před rokem +2

    Hello!

  • @rhettrobbins953
    @rhettrobbins953 Před rokem +2

    Hello

  • @Mp3nut1
    @Mp3nut1 Před rokem +2

    Hello!

  • @lisaredl8464
    @lisaredl8464 Před rokem +2

    hello

  • @rafaellumrodas350
    @rafaellumrodas350 Před rokem +1

    Hello