i paid $140 to hear people cough but someone played piano instead 😡
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- čas přidán 29. 10. 2022
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Videos used:
Cyprien Katsaris - Beethoven/Liszt: Symphony No.7 Mvt.II
• Cyprien Katsaris live ...
Yundi Li - Frederic Chopin: Ballade No.4, Op.52
• Yundi Li - Live At Car...
Angela Hewitt - Claude Debussy: Clair de Lune
• Claude Debussy "Clair ...
Valentina Lisitsa - Ludwig van Beethoven: Sonata No.8, Op.13, 'Pathetique'
• Beethoven Sonata No. 8...
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The best part, in my opinion, was when Cyprien Katsaris shouted "it's Katsarisin' time" before decapitating a random audience member who coughed.
funnier every video I guess….
0:42 he should've just trolld the audience and ended it there tbh
Wow the clapping in the middle was enough to make me want to throw my phone at the wall
Kkkkkkk 🤣🤣🤣🤣 (não estranhe esses "k" é assim que escreve risos no meu país)
Interestingly, in a concert Chopin gave, the audience clapped so loudly during the tutti of the orchestra that you couldn't hear it. And Chopin hated this.
… why do every classical listeners have to be intolerants assholes ?
@@aaliyahkishore246 could send me the link of the concert he played?
@@dep7311 if you're joking, then good joke. But I read this in Alan Walker's Biography of Chopin. You see, he died in 1849 and recordings, even gramophones weren't invented then.
I flinched when i saw the clapping in the middle of the Chopin ballade 4. That’s exactly why I don’t make exaggerated gestures as if it’s finished and try to act like i’m still playing whenever there’s situations like this
I prefer to say before playing it: please, if you don't know the piece, don't clap. It's full of false endings... I wouldn't risk myself to be tortured if someone barely breaths between those forte and pianissimo chords. It's like the best moment of this piece. Those pp chords arrive like autumn falling leaves.
The San Francisco Symphony hands out cough drops, gratis, for winter programs, and precedes each performance with a quiet but commanding reminder to power down cell phones.
Very classy, I think.
I swear Chopin wrote it this way specifically to catch premature clappers.
It's finish on dominant not clapping moment
It was common to clap when the pianist mastered a virtuos passage in Chopin times.
the fact that the majority of ppl in that hall doesn't know how the 4th ballade goes makes me wonder y they are there at all lol
It was Carnegie Hall
Old people trying to get culture
It's enough for one person to start clapping. It's a chain reaction from there on
@@peyanno we are calling it Cringe Hall now then.
Got tickets from a marketing mixer
I always hold that chord in the ballade so it doesn’t look like I’m done, so people know it’s not over yet lol
guess that would have a different effect than the staccato sound that is asked for by the score, but that sounds like a cool idea - never heard anyone do that before!
I play the stacc and position myself as fast as possible to the next chord, so people can see that I'm still have to play more. It doesn't look dramatic as feeling it with your whole body, but make clear I haven't stopped yet. I'm totally conscious that People may tend to clap there.
@@TurunfloI improvise at t at part. People say it's better than Chopins original
They actually clapped during the pause. Wow I’ve seen it all now
The worst for me is people on their phones DURING THE FUCKING PERFORMANCE!! Never felt homicidal before that.
Classical musicians when people have normal bodily functions:
Remember, to only cough during the quiet parts and rests of a performance.
*cough between pieces/movements
If someone coughs during the quiet part of a piece, there’s potential of it killing the tension of the piece for me (like in Valentina Lisitsa’s example) 😭
6 months later, and I’m just now realizing you were probably joking lol
Dude it’s actually sad how every live recording I have has someone with tuberculosis coughing because only old people are willing to go to shows 😢 I went to a Van Cliburn event in Fort Worth and was the only person under 40 there! It was depressing, the art form is going to die in seven years when the audience does
lol it's not that, it's because those halls are cold af and make anyone of bad health cough. Hell, as a pianist, it was difficult to get through a concert once without hacking up a lung in between pieces. And I was in high school :/
@@vrixphillips That’s good not all of my recordings are like that, but there were legitimately only people older than 60 at the Cliburn!
@@alexandercarroll9707 to be fair, it's a rare person can afford tickets like that these days that's our age lol. I mean, used to I was only able to go to the Symphony because I sat in the handicap seats [what w/ me being in a chair and all now :/ ] but now with inflation and all, even that's a bit out of my price range.
0:43 :-(
One might think that some do not know the piano pieces they want to hear.
In the audiences defence, when u do a little flair like that and your arms pull away from the keyboard like that, that’s something you save for a finale lol. My teachers always said to keep you hands at the piano until ur finished
bro he wasted no time in the second pause in b4 knowing they'd clap again 💀
There is another Valentina lisitsa performance where one of the lights went off and the sound was like a gunshot
A lot of concert halls I've been to hand out lozenges before a recital... more places should do the same!
Reminds me thatI at a Prom Concert in the Royal Albert Hall in London in the summer, someone the opposite side to me suddenly and violently threw up. There was a minor delay between movements while it was cleaned up.
it's not a piano one but in Bernstein's Mahler 1 about five minutes in, it sounds like someone coughs out their entire lung
They clapped before the coda even began…
Beethoven sinfonia 7 movimente.2, ballada no.4 Chopin, beethoven sonata, só música boa, beethoven e Chopin são meus preferidos.
Yundi Li weirdly looks like Boris Berezovsky to me in this clip. Something about his mannerisms lol
This makes me unreasonably irritated
I'd have slapped them all
I understand Chopin went to a lot of concerts
It’s like mixing classical pieces with John Cage’s 4’33”. But seriously, the only way the hall would be absolutely quiet is if it were empty.
On devrait interdire aux tousseurs et autres ignares friqués d'aller au concert et donner leurs places aux musiciens et vrais amateurs de musique. Quand je vais à un concert je me retiens de tousser, dussé-je m'étouffer. Alors quand un voisin se met à tousser au milieu d'un lied de Strauss, ça donne quand même des envies meurtrières...
oh jesus please relax
I know 😅 I was (half) joking...
0:42 Surely when you go to a concert you've already heard the pieces before? It's as if nobody in the audience knows Ballade No. 4
You'd have to live under a rock to think that's a reasonable expectation to have of any audience, especially for classical music
I run this channel, and I’ve only heard Chopin’s Ballade No.4 once in its entirety, so I’m not overly familiar with it. I’ve been to two orchestral concerts without knowing the programs ahead of time. Knowing audience etiquette and performer cues is more important than knowing the program imo.
I mean even if you don't know a piece the safe thing to do is to wait until the performer stands up
(Not to mention the case where even if the piece is technically over the player might want to let the silence linger for a bit or whatever)
The thing is, you can't really expect people to know every piece in venues like that; that expectation is normally on the pianist, and not the audience. In concert recitals, there are many pieces that will be played and it's often a mix of various composers. Some people may know very well some of the pieces, but not know the other pieces.
And I've seen some concert posters where they label what composers will be featured, but not the pieces that will be played in that recital, so some people go there not knowing what to expect... and there may be cases where people who love Chopin know his nocturnes, but not the ballades. Trust me, people like that exist.
Also, some people come solely for the experience, to see what a concert recital is like; and some people come there only to see the pianist play, which is the case for big names. Yundi Li himself, has a good reputation, being the winner of the International Chopin competition and having very good recordings.
@@TheExarion @TheExarion How many times have you heard it now, one year later?
How the hell did they manage to collectively clap on the dominant lmao
because listening to classical ≠ knowledge of music theory
@@TheExarion Do you need music theory in order to perceive unresolved harmonic tension? is that your suggestion?
@@isaacbeen2087 Nowhere did I suggest or imply that - which is interesting, because in a different comment thread you said that me assuming things about you was off-putting. Anyways, speaking as someone who has literally studied music perception and psychology in a research setting, people who don't study music (despite listening to it a lot) are way worse at understanding these things/seeing these things coming than people who do study music (as evidenced by the premature applause in this video). If you want, you can look into schematic vs. veridical expectations of music to get a better understanding of this.
@@TheExarion The last part of this comment seems to align with an affirmative response to my question, though its beginning suggests otherwise.
@@TheExarion You're making the original commenter look ridiculous when there's no need for it. He was making a humorous observation about an audience's collective decision to clap in a place which, to anyone who's ear is adapted to this sort of music, seems completely nonsensical. It's a downright reasonable observation to make, and humorously done, and you took the opportunity to be smug and condescending-I'm starting to see a pattern.
This was a really funny video (thanks TheExarion), but is it just me or do people get way too worked up about coughing? Someone in the comments already mentioned it but it's probably because of how cold concert halls are, and I would add that dry air is also responsible (these things increase bronchoconstriction which causes coughing). Not to mention everyone is so quiet so that even a faint cough becomes really noticeable.
And secondly, yeah the applause during the ballade was unusual lol, but some people here suggesting that audiences should've come prepared having listened to it beforehand? Isn't it a little elitist to suggest that people should educate themselves before coming to listen to a concert - what if they wanted to have the experience of listening the first time? And honestly I really don't see what the problem is with clapping in between, I've seen it in other performances too and it's probably just because of the effect of the performer's artistry on the audience. Personally I think Li should have reacted better: respon to the audience, wait for their applause to die down and then resume the rest of the piece.
I apologise if this is rambly but personally I feel these things are why classical music still gets a bad rap for elitism and snobbery. Let people enjoy things!
I agree with most of this, except for the part about Li. Clapping in the middle of a classical performance is highly unusual. I don’t expect audience members to know the piece he’s playing, but I don’t fault him for being a little startled at the applause; to him, the piece wasn’t over yet. And he handled an unusual interruption with as much as grace as he could’ve in the moment. It’s just a matter of courtesy/manners that are specific to classical performances - just like how, in a different musical performance, if you *didn’t* clap along when prompted to, it wouldn’t be courteous or in the spirit of the concert/venue.
@@TheExarion Thta's fair, and yes tbf I am being nitpicky, he handled it really well and played amazingly. Funny thing is, perhaps performers would be better able to handle it if they were more used to hearing applause in the middle of a piece. And yes, I agree that it is custom which has become so normalised now that it would be quite difficult to break, and that's fine. Though I do get disturbed by the levels of violence sometimes expressed in comments!
I know I'm in the minority, but coughing, clapping, extraneous noises and such bother me very little. Is anyone actual less moved because of these things? or are they not particularly moved to begin with, such that any slight distraction completely takes them out of the music?
Not sure what you mean by the second question, but I guess it's overall just a matter of perceptual salience. Being really captivated by something and having something take you out of the movement is extremely irritating. It's like if I'm at a museum and people were constantly walking in front of me; I can't not see that - in the same way that many people can't not hear sounds that stick out in their environment.
@@TheExarion Thank you for actually replying!
I do understand more than I'm letting on, I was merely putting my point across in a forcible manner. As for the second question, I was suggesting that most music-loving concert goers aren't as interested in the music as they would like others to think; the slightest noise will aggravate them because they're eager for something else to attract their attention, to distract them from the music. Becoming easily distracted is a sign of boredom, not of awe. I know that many fine musicians, including, as it would seem, the performer in the video (the great man he is), would vehemently disagree with me. This isn't how I feel about it at all. I understand why you say it's like a painting being obscured by an inconsiderate museum goer, oblivious to their surroundings, that would certainly be frustrating, and, yes, it is also perhaps inconsiderate to make unnecessary noise at a concert. Really though, if we're being as real as possible, the difference is pretty clear-I can no longer see the painting when someone is standing in front; I can hear the music very clearly, regardless of what little noises someone might be making at the other side of the room. Are you bothered by poor recording quality? I'm not, though maybe it used to bother me ... crackle and grain and such, these things don't impede my ears in the slightest, I can still hear every note and every dynamic inflection, and I don't think my ears are different from anybody else's. Have I missed something?
@@isaacbeen2087 You have missed something lol. People's perceptual abilities differ from person-to-person - and maybe the biological mechanisms may not differ, but the attention aspect absolutely certainly does. I, for example, am someone who needs to use a lot of mental effort to maintain my focus on something - even when it's something I'm interested in. This is because I'm very prone to distractions, and I'm not alone in this regard.
I can guarantee you that most people who are trying to listen to a recording are not actively or passively looking for something else to heighten their interest in the music - and this is what the title of my video was joking about, that people would pay so much money to attend a concert but may unfortunately come across distractions that deviate their attention from the music. Also, look into a psychological phenomenon called the "cocktail effect". Our aural perception is a lot more nuanced than you think, and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if some people are less tolerant than others for this stuff.
Do old recordings bother me? No, not usually, unless the recording artifacts mess with the recording too much (to a point where I would consider it "unlistenable"; this aspect is subjective from person to person). But I would be at least a little bothered if there was a blatantly wrong note(s) or a lot of audience noise or people having a conversation in the recording lol.
@@TheExarion Exactly! one's concentration being affected is entirely separate from one's ability to hear the music, no?
@@TheExarion And if noises in old recordings don't bother you, why do other noises? is it because you accept them? I think that's fair, though, as I said, neither bothers me at all. A distracting noise during, say, an exam, is awful, but I didn't think that was relevant here.
The Yundi Li one baffles me. Why would someone go to the effort of attending a concert if they couldn't be bothered to listen to the pieces beforehand? The Chopin ballades aren't exactly obscure repertoire...
I mean, it depends I guess. I’ve only been to two live concerts, and I like not knowing what I’m gonna be listening to until I’m there and reading the repertoire - not to mention, idk if every venue puts out their program beforehand for people to know. I’m also speaking as someone who doesn’t know the Chopin ballades very well lol.
That all being said, I still wouldn’t have clapped where the audience did. The sign to applaud wasn’t clear enough. I’d say understanding audience etiquette is way more important than knowing the program before attending a concert.
@@Varooooooom exactly this! i think it’s amazing to be able to listen to all of these pieces online whenever you want, but the expectation that you never listen to someone play something you haven’t heard already at a concert baffles me. i feel like it’s really special listening to a piece played for the first time, and being in the concert hall for one of those sounds like it would be transcendent for something like the ballade 4. or maybe i’m just the weird one on this; i notice that i tend to feel classical music way more than other people do. now i have to stop myself from going on a rant about elitists and the emotions that aren’t in every single piece of classical ever written oh my god
Carnegie Hall moment
@@Varooooooom They literally clapped after he played a dominant chord lol. Any amount of prior exposure to classical music should suffice to get them to realize that the piece hadn't finished.
@@feinberg4625 “Any amount of prior classical music exposure” Dude, as someone who literally studies music perception and psychology - like, I work in a research lab for it, and I work with a professor who has spearheaded research on this stuff - you’re VASTLY overestimating the skill level of musicians, let alone casual concertgoers 🙃
Generally speaking, people are not quite *that* good at music perception, especially in a concert setting where they’re more focused on the energy of a live performance rather than the theory behind the music. Don’t let your expertise make you fall out of touch with everyday people.
And I’ll reiterate, concert-going etiquette is a must-know before attending one. I personally would’ve clapped after his body relaxed or something more obvious than him tensing up like this - or, more realistically, I would’ve joined in on the clapping because everyone else started clapping.
maybe gatekeeping classical music is a good idea after all
If you really decide to go to a concert while having a cold, at least have the decency to take some codeine. It will suppress the need to cough.
LMAO CODEINE?? 😭😭😭
@@Varooooooom
Yes. Codeine. What's so funny? I corrected it from codein to codeine. Forgive me, but I'm not a native English speaker. Here in Germany, it's called 'Codein', and you can get it at a pharmacy with a subscription. Since I regularly have bronchitis that doesn't allow me to sleep, I need codeine to sleep through and recover.
@@laertesdd Lmao I wasn’t laughing at your spelling of codeine. I was laughing because codeine just seemed a bit extreme of a solution (but it seems suitable in your case; I’m sorry to hear about your bronchitis). In the US, we have milder medicines like tylenol, robitussin, and some other cough suppressants that will subdue a normal bout of coughing just fine - not to mention, in the US, codeine is an opioid, and there is a huge problem with opioid abuse in our country.
So that’s the main reason why I laughed, because codeine as a solution (given my cultural context) seemed extreme.
@@Varooooooom
Understood. Thanks for explaining! 😘
0:50 Like nobody in the audience knows the piece wtf
Oh God.... I hated this, Katsaris looked pissed.
About the Li clip, his fault honestly. I know that obviously you expect the audience to be familiar with the piece but still, you only take your hands off the keyboard when it's over