That so sucks.. But I know you will get it fixed, it amazes me with all the things you have fixed when some have said it can’t be done. You are making so much progress in a short time and taking care of dad. You are awesome
Deeper you go the more carnage you'll find. First find a neighbor that can get the hay off the ground. Ask same neighbor if he will finish season on a $ per bale or split. Then,off season, look for a parts baler,buy it,and start pulling parts you need to get your baler going. FYI: when you start putting big money for new parts in an old piece of equipment you'll end up way underwater real fast.Worse if you are paying shop rate labor. At some point it's more cost effective to: rent equipment,buy new,or simply buy the hay,feed,etc needed.If you're going to run older equipment you MUST be a good troubleshooter and mechanic. Must.The repair to your baler is a solid 4 hour job at a well equipped shop with an experienced mechanic. If that is not your situation you should figure a solid weekend job if you are honest with yourself on your skill level. You won't be changing a lawnmower blade: the baler repair is a skill level 5 with 5 being the highest.
Thanks Amos. Talked to cousin he runs a 300 acre dairy farm up the road from me. He doesn't need the hay but will let people he knows and see if anyone needs it. I do my own repair so labor is not an issue. Our shop rate at the John Deere dealership was $90 an hour. John Deere has set hours they charge for repairs. All depends on the machine. Found a knotter to replace the broken one. Took it apart in about an hour. May take longer to put back together and make sure everything is right. I took over this farm last August from my Aunt and Uncle. Couldn't find anyone to take the hay last year so was planning on doing it myself this year.
@@Rdrake1413 Hay: got critters? Back in my hay making days I was running a few head of cattle and baled for myself and sold a little excess to cover "some" of the costs for that. 2 things put me out of the cattle and hay bidness: chasing down roaming herd 1 too many times and putting out $7000.00 worth of fertilizer for an early June cutting and not seeing rain till that December....After that I just bush hogged 6 times a year.About 90 acres in total. I did squares and 5 x 6 rolls. Used a 9 foot sickle bar mower and an 8 wheel V rake.Vermeer roller,N.H. square baler,N.H. sickle and can't remember the V rake brand.Ford 2810 to cut and rake and an 85hp Belurus to bale (too cheap to pass up).Just me with no help plus I had a full time off farm job.
@@amossnowdaharleyman9179 Amos this farm was my grandparents. Back when I was a kid it was farmed for hay and oats to help my great uncle who had a diary farm up the road after my great uncle pasted away my cousin cut the hay off of it. My grandfather pasted away in 1985 my grandma gave it to my aunt and uncle who didn't farm it. My uncle had a brotherbrother-in-law who cut the hay off of it for a few years. My aunt and uncle sold it to me last August. I can't run any cattle now because the fences are all run down. My plan was to buy some older equipment and try and sell some hay till I could have my own cows. I was a mechanic for John Deere and worked in a machine shop and in the oil field repairing heavy equipment. I have the experience to do all my own repairs. I could patch the knotter but with it being broken in three places I dont think it would last very long. My Dad is 84 and has Parkinson. I only have a few days a week that I can do any work at the farm as most of my time is spent taking care of him. Dad had a ranch in Texas and we raised cattle there until he retired and he sold the ranch.
Thank you Robert. I found the cause of the knotter breaking. Found a part to fix it. Just need to wait till the end of the month for the money to buy the part.
I put your video here on a post to reach a wider audience that could help with knowledge on repairing your 14t . There’s a lot of knowledge out there that can be shared to help you get ideas on repairing this issue
Oh no, I hate that Mr Robert! I hope you.can get it figured out and back going. The exact same thing was wrong with mine years ago. Had the best mechanic of old stuff basically go through it,worked amazing for about 15 baked, then jumped time and destroyed everything. Thank goodness it was a merge deal between me and a friend, so we both lost. Praying the perfect answer comes along!
O no Robert, that is so un-necessary, I can't give you any advice, hopefully you can rent or borrow a baler, that is really a set back, all the best my friend
I have a couple of cousins that have balers or could come and bale the hay for me. This is a busy time and don't know if they have time as they have their own farms to tend too.
That's a Damn Shame Robert. Letting all that cut Hay Rot sucks too. Too bad you can't rent or borrow a Bailer or barter with another Farmer to get through even just to save the hay you cut.
Yeah it has me pretty bummed out. Your right about hay buyers. Especially people with horses. My plan was to try a sell what I could make to help offset some of my cost till I got my own cows.
sorry to see that. Take it to a machine shop if you have one around you. Our local shop would have that part fixed for ya the same day for prolly around 300 bucks only because cast takes a long time to weld properly would take some time to get the grease fitting right as well. But if it was a 400 bill might still be worth getting your crop up. Just a thought I hope things work out for ya either.
Yeah I was a welder for 44 years. The frame is broken in three places dont think it would ever be right. Raining here this morning so don't think it's gonna get baled. I cut it Thursday wasnt supposed to get rain and already been rained on twice. Might make mulch hay but won't be worth anything for feed.
@@Rdrake1413 I've had some pretty intricate cast iron stuff fixed lol. My brother worked for the local machine shop for 20 years or so, now he has his own shop. Not 44 years that's impressive. I've done a little cast work myself, I used a gas grill and sand to warm it up lol. It was the drive plate for our old allis planter it didn't need to be perfect but it's worked like a charm. I'm always thinking what I can do right now but I can't leave my crops out there I would go bankrupt 🤦♂️ so whatever gets me going right now to finish, until a proper fix is almost always 1st on my mind. Look forward to more.
@@TimothyFluegel I had good luck welding cast. Only had one job come back but it wasn't my weld that broke. Broke in another spot. I'm kinda leery about welding the knotter it is broke in three places and worried I won't be able to get all the pieces lined up right. Knotters can be pretty finicky. Thank for your comment Tim and taking the time to watch.
@@Rdrake1413 I understand completely. I wish you the best of luck with it. You don't see alot of those in the junkyards around us but sure would be nice to find one that had your part
That bushing that jammed everything up looks like it could be from the tucker finger push rod below the knotter drive. I guess it doesn't matter where it came from. I don't know if yours is early or late model but it's which ever ours was not. I see various differences. The location of the measuring wheel for one. I always believed ours was a later model but not sure. My parents still use it every year. Good baler. There's quite a few 14t balers around here I'll keep an eye out for something parked in the brush that could donate a part for your baler.
Thanks for your comment. Got the knotters off and will post a video. The the bushing is actually a roller off the wiper arm. There was a cover that held it on. Was broken for awhile. I had rotated the flywheel several time and nothing was binding. I stared up the baler running at idle. Tripped the knotters and heard a pop. Guess when the knotters tripped the roller came off the wiper arm and jammed between the Intermittent gear and knotter.
That is absolutely true but I hate to see hay go to waste from a breakdown. Definitely best to find a replacement. Is there a part number on that broken knotter frame?
Around me most guys will bale hay for a 60/40 split you getting 40% would be better then letting it rot but I just replaced a knotter on our 336 and it was not a fun job but definitely doable
Well I have offered it to my cousin he has a dairy farm up the road from me he doesn't need it and it's raining this morning so not getting baled today.
Dud you got big problems with that to much for me to explain here you can get your parts at green baler parts just wondering if you hand rolled that baler thru a full cycle of needles up by hand or you had it hooked up to the tractor l
Yeah looked at Green Baler Parts. That is where I got the prices from. Turned the flywheel several times with no binding. Wasn't till I had the pto hooked up and tripped the knotters that it broke.
@@Rdrake1413 yea that will do it I'm very sarry you had that happen but not ever useing it or seeing it bale that was par for the course Allstate age parts has some salvageable mechanics on the wed site or check on tractor house and craigs list all over your region I hate I cant do more to help you I think I know what's out of time cant tell with out seeing it in person
@@TomBiggerstaff-gn1ws I looked the baler over and rotated the flywheel several times and tripped the knotters. Didn't have any indication of a problem. This roller was on the wiper arm and not really easy to see until I took the knotter apart. Whatever held it on was gone. Will find another frame but might take awhile.
Mr Drake after reading some parts manuals and checking around the internet and classifieds there is a 24t in Erie Pa for sale $895 most of the parts are obsolete on a 14t so parts baler is your best choice or Allstate age parts . You mentioned the bale was totally rebuilt! Theres no such thing with a baler 60 years old 1955 to 1961 as a John deere mechanic you should know that ie one of your comments stated that I was just trying to help you but if you tore it up just for CZcams content I CALL BS good day sir
@@TomBiggerstaff-gn1ws Tom by rebuilt I meant it was gone through and bearings and wear parts had been replaced. I know a baler this old they dont make parts for. I have been getting many comments and sorry if I missed yours. I am only farming part time. My Dad has Parkinson and taking care of him is a full time job. The part that broke was not a part I could see. Like I stated before I rotated the flywheel several times and tripped the knotters. I think whoever's did the rebuild missed the roller on the wiper arm. Even the best mechanic can miss things. Sorry you got offended. I do appreciate your offer for help. Like I said I am very busy and probably missed your message. I certainly didn't break the baler just to do a video. I have more important things to do. Only reason I post video's is to try and help others out who might have the same issue. I do not monetize my videos and I make no money off CZcams.
@@Rdrake1413 ok that's out of my knowledge I'll check around here to see if I can find a parts baler in east tn western Nc area I could use some extra parts also the knotters are different on that 14 than what I use it's going to take awhile I'll keep you updated in the meantime if you can get some manuals for the 14t if you think your going to keep it
Yeah I have done that before. Don't know if it bad enough to worry about. Biggest problem is replacing the Knotter frame. Cast iron has great wear properties but doesn't take much flexing to break
@@genechronister7085 Probably will only be doing a few hundred bales a year so should last my lifetime. Yeah it is important especially to keep the knotters clean and dry. My cousin bales a couple thousand a year. He does custom hay baling.
That so sucks.. But I know you will get it fixed, it amazes me with all the things you have fixed when some have said it can’t be done. You are making so much progress in a short time and taking care of dad. You are awesome
Deeper you go the more carnage you'll find. First find a neighbor that can get the hay off the ground. Ask same neighbor if he will finish season on a $ per bale or split. Then,off season, look for a parts baler,buy it,and start pulling parts you need to get your baler going.
FYI: when you start putting big money for new parts in an old piece of equipment you'll end up way underwater real fast.Worse if you are paying shop rate labor. At some point it's more cost effective to: rent equipment,buy new,or simply buy the hay,feed,etc needed.If you're going to run older equipment you MUST be a good troubleshooter and mechanic. Must.The repair to your baler is a solid 4 hour job at a well equipped shop with an experienced mechanic. If that is not your situation you should figure a solid weekend job if you are honest with yourself on your skill level. You won't be changing a lawnmower blade: the baler repair is a skill level 5 with 5 being the highest.
Thanks Amos. Talked to cousin he runs a 300 acre dairy farm up the road from me. He doesn't need the hay but will let people he knows and see if anyone needs it. I do my own repair so labor is not an issue. Our shop rate at the John Deere dealership was $90 an hour. John Deere has set hours they charge for repairs. All depends on the machine. Found a knotter to replace the broken one. Took it apart in about an hour. May take longer to put back together and make sure everything is right. I took over this farm last August from my Aunt and Uncle. Couldn't find anyone to take the hay last year so was planning on doing it myself this year.
@@Rdrake1413 Hay: got critters? Back in my hay making days I was running a few head of cattle and baled for myself and sold a little excess to cover "some" of the costs for that. 2 things put me out of the cattle and hay bidness: chasing down roaming herd 1 too many times and putting out $7000.00 worth of fertilizer for an early June cutting and not seeing rain till that December....After that I just bush hogged 6 times a year.About 90 acres in total.
I did squares and 5 x 6 rolls. Used a 9 foot sickle bar mower and an 8 wheel V rake.Vermeer roller,N.H. square baler,N.H. sickle and can't remember the V rake brand.Ford 2810 to cut and rake and an 85hp Belurus to bale (too cheap to pass up).Just me with no help plus I had a full time off farm job.
@@amossnowdaharleyman9179 Amos this farm was my grandparents. Back when I was a kid it was farmed for hay and oats to help my great uncle who had a diary farm up the road after my great uncle pasted away my cousin cut the hay off of it. My grandfather pasted away in 1985 my grandma gave it to my aunt and uncle who didn't farm it. My uncle had a brotherbrother-in-law who cut the hay off of it for a few years. My aunt and uncle sold it to me last August. I can't run any cattle now because the fences are all run down. My plan was to buy some older equipment and try and sell some hay till I could have my own cows. I was a mechanic for John Deere and worked in a machine shop and in the oil field repairing heavy equipment. I have the experience to do all my own repairs. I could patch the knotter but with it being broken in three places I dont think it would last very long. My Dad is 84 and has Parkinson. I only have a few days a week that I can do any work at the farm as most of my time is spent taking care of him. Dad had a ranch in Texas and we raised cattle there until he retired and he sold the ranch.
Don't give up , there has to be help out there for you , stay strong , stay safe , best of luck !
Thank you Robert. I found the cause of the knotter breaking. Found a part to fix it. Just need to wait till the end of the month for the money to buy the part.
I put your video here on a post to reach a wider audience that could help with knowledge on repairing your 14t . There’s a lot of knowledge out there that can be shared to help you get ideas on repairing this issue
Thanks Scott. Pretty sure the spacer I found jammed in the Intermittent gear was the cause. Where it came from and how it got there is a mystery.
We have an old 14T that has been sitting for probably 40 years, I may start to tinker with it and see if I can get it to turn.
Me and my wallet enjoy these older machines. New balers are not cheap.
Oh no, I hate that Mr Robert! I hope you.can get it figured out and back going. The exact same thing was wrong with mine years ago. Had the best mechanic of old stuff basically go through it,worked amazing for about 15 baked, then jumped time and destroyed everything. Thank goodness it was a merge deal between me and a friend, so we both lost. Praying the perfect answer comes along!
Thanks Nelson. Think I figured out what cause it. Have it torn down and looking for a knotter frame.
@@Rdrake1413 I watched that one too, great you are making progress!! Left you a comment there if you run into a roadblock
Well that’s great to share this video I’m sure there’s someone on here that knows how to fix it
I know how to fix it. Was a mechanic for John Deere. Posted the video so I could show what happened and what caused it.
That sucks. My timing went out on my baler. Busted both needles.
Lucky it wasn't out of time. The roller on the wiper arm came off and jammed the gears busting the knotter frame in 3 places.
O no Robert, that is so un-necessary, I can't give you any advice, hopefully you can rent or borrow a baler, that is really a set back, all the best my friend
I have a couple of cousins that have balers or could come and bale the hay for me. This is a busy time and don't know if they have time as they have their own farms to tend too.
That looks like the roller from the knife arm.
Yes that exactly what it was. The washer that held it on broke.
That's a Damn Shame Robert. Letting all that cut Hay Rot sucks too. Too bad you can't rent or borrow a Bailer or barter with another Farmer to get through even just to save the hay you cut.
Was hoping someone would want it but so far nothing. If I can get the parts and get it running might bale it for mulch hay.
That sucks, I don't know much about old balers. I decided the hay buyers aren't worth dealing with....low ballers
Yeah it has me pretty bummed out. Your right about hay buyers. Especially people with horses. My plan was to try a sell what I could make to help offset some of my cost till I got my own cows.
sorry to see that. Take it to a machine shop if you have one around you. Our local shop would have that part fixed for ya the same day for prolly around 300 bucks only because cast takes a long time to weld properly would take some time to get the grease fitting right as well. But if it was a 400 bill might still be worth getting your crop up. Just a thought I hope things work out for ya either.
Yeah I was a welder for 44 years. The frame is broken in three places dont think it would ever be right. Raining here this morning so don't think it's gonna get baled. I cut it Thursday wasnt supposed to get rain and already been rained on twice. Might make mulch hay but won't be worth anything for feed.
@@Rdrake1413 I've had some pretty intricate cast iron stuff fixed lol. My brother worked for the local machine shop for 20 years or so, now he has his own shop. Not 44 years that's impressive. I've done a little cast work myself, I used a gas grill and sand to warm it up lol. It was the drive plate for our old allis planter it didn't need to be perfect but it's worked like a charm. I'm always thinking what I can do right now but I can't leave my crops out there I would go bankrupt 🤦♂️ so whatever gets me going right now to finish, until a proper fix is almost always 1st on my mind. Look forward to more.
@@TimothyFluegel I had good luck welding cast. Only had one job come back but it wasn't my weld that broke. Broke in another spot. I'm kinda leery about welding the knotter it is broke in three places and worried I won't be able to get all the pieces lined up right. Knotters can be pretty finicky. Thank for your comment Tim and taking the time to watch.
@@Rdrake1413 I understand completely. I wish you the best of luck with it. You don't see alot of those in the junkyards around us but sure would be nice to find one that had your part
That bushing that jammed everything up looks like it could be from the tucker finger push rod below the knotter drive. I guess it doesn't matter where it came from. I don't know if yours is early or late model but it's which ever ours was not. I see various differences. The location of the measuring wheel for one. I always believed ours was a later model but not sure. My parents still use it every year. Good baler. There's quite a few 14t balers around here I'll keep an eye out for something parked in the brush that could donate a part for your baler.
Thanks for your comment. Got the knotters off and will post a video. The the bushing is actually a roller off the wiper arm. There was a cover that held it on. Was broken for awhile. I had rotated the flywheel several time and nothing was binding. I stared up the baler running at idle. Tripped the knotters and heard a pop. Guess when the knotters tripped the roller came off the wiper arm and jammed between the Intermittent gear and knotter.
In a pinch I would try welding it with nickel rod and I'm sure it could be made to work until you found a parts baler to pull one off of.
@@farawayfarm2520 only problem with welding cast it wears good but any flexing and it will break again.
That is absolutely true but I hate to see hay go to waste from a breakdown. Definitely best to find a replacement. Is there a part number on that broken knotter frame?
@@farawayfarm2520 Didn't find a part # on the broken frame but the other one is E49854. Think they are the same
Around me most guys will bale hay for a 60/40 split you getting 40% would be better then letting it rot but I just replaced a knotter on our 336 and it was not a fun job but definitely doable
Well I have offered it to my cousin he has a dairy farm up the road from me he doesn't need it and it's raining this morning so not getting baled today.
Brian Knapp farm , Rocky Ford , a very helpful answer to this concert , Knapp farm , hard working , honest , great family !
@@robertmarino2158 thanks for the kind words
Dud you got big problems with that to much for me to explain here you can get your parts at green baler parts just wondering if you hand rolled that baler thru a full cycle of needles up by hand or you had it hooked up to the tractor l
Yeah looked at Green Baler Parts. That is where I got the prices from. Turned the flywheel several times with no binding. Wasn't till I had the pto hooked up and tripped the knotters that it broke.
@@Rdrake1413 yea that will do it I'm very sarry you had that happen but not ever useing it or seeing it bale that was par for the course Allstate age parts has some salvageable mechanics on the wed site or check on tractor house and craigs list all over your region I hate I cant do more to help you I think I know what's out of time cant tell with out seeing it in person
@@TomBiggerstaff-gn1ws I looked the baler over and rotated the flywheel several times and tripped the knotters. Didn't have any indication of a problem. This roller was on the wiper arm and not really easy to see until I took the knotter apart. Whatever held it on was gone. Will find another frame but might take awhile.
Mr Drake after reading some parts manuals and checking around the internet and classifieds there is a 24t in Erie Pa for sale $895 most of the parts are obsolete on a 14t so parts baler is your best choice or Allstate age parts . You mentioned the bale was totally rebuilt! Theres no such thing with a baler 60 years old 1955 to 1961 as a John deere mechanic you should know that ie one of your comments stated that I was just trying to help you but if you tore it up just for CZcams content I CALL BS good day sir
@@TomBiggerstaff-gn1ws Tom by rebuilt I meant it was gone through and bearings and wear parts had been replaced. I know a baler this old they dont make parts for. I have been getting many comments and sorry if I missed yours. I am only farming part time. My Dad has Parkinson and taking care of him is a full time job. The part that broke was not a part I could see. Like I stated before I rotated the flywheel several times and tripped the knotters. I think whoever's did the rebuild missed the roller on the wiper arm. Even the best mechanic can miss things. Sorry you got offended. I do appreciate your offer for help. Like I said I am very busy and probably missed your message. I certainly didn't break the baler just to do a video. I have more important things to do. Only reason I post video's is to try and help others out who might have the same issue. I do not monetize my videos and I make no money off CZcams.
Looks like a thousand dollars in parts unless you find a used parts baler and quite a few days to get that all together
Found a frame for around $350. I do my own repairs so labor is cheap.
@@Rdrake1413 yea that's just part of I new where a 14 was for $400 but I think it's gone where are you from ? If you dont mind me asking
@@TomBiggerstaff-gn1ws Tom I am in Corry, PA in Northwestern part of the State
@@Rdrake1413 ok that's out of my knowledge I'll check around here to see if I can find a parts baler in east tn western Nc area I could use some extra parts also the knotters are different on that 14 than what I use it's going to take awhile I'll keep you updated in the meantime if you can get some manuals for the 14t if you think your going to keep it
@@TomBiggerstaff-gn1ws Have the manuals for the baler.
You can weld a bead on that chipped tooth and file it down. I've done that with high success
Yeah I have done that before. Don't know if it bad enough to worry about. Biggest problem is replacing the Knotter frame. Cast iron has great wear properties but doesn't take much flexing to break
Steiner tractor parts,or a machine shop and their welder
Found a knotter frame. Welding cast does work good if it flexes it will break again.
Been there! Good luck!
@@genechronister7085 Thanks Gene found a used knotter from Green Baler Parts for less than $500
Hopefully it will last forever.those 14's were great balers! Just keep the baler out of the weather during the winter and lubricated
@@genechronister7085 Probably will only be doing a few hundred bales a year so should last my lifetime. Yeah it is important especially to keep the knotters clean and dry. My cousin bales a couple thousand a year. He does custom hay baling.