You are 100% right on that! Sometimes I wonder if it would be worth doing a video on just shrinkage. Every situation is different but very good to know! Thanks for watching. CM
I watched this because last night I was jumping over some rod on the rafters... A 2" jump. 17" from my box... I couldn't figure out for the life of me how I was going to flex the short 15" side of the saddle to 22.5... I too have been bending conduit for a long minute, and I was baffled.
Out of all the videos i have looked at so far you are the only person i have seen thats explains why you measure from each side of the center mark (2.5× ) will be watching more
More specifically that is the multiplier for a 22.5 degree offset. I feel he may have neglected to specify. For instance a 45 degree. The multiplier is actually 1.4. there is a logical correlation.
Great question!!! The 2.5 times comes from 22.5 degree bends. It is the multiplier almost as if you creating a special offset type bend. It all has to do with the trig math!! Hope this answered your question!! Thanks for watching!! CM
The 2nd and third bend are always half of the original bend. Most hand benders have 10, 22.5, 30, 45, and 60 degrees. So when you bend the center bend to 45 (which is most common) you be d the two side bends to 22.5. You could technically bend the center bend to 60 and side bends to 30 if you had to do a fairly large saddle over a short horizontal distance, but it would probably be hard to pull thru.
Dude I was the same way when I saw this video. What I noticed about instructional emt videos is that they never show how they got their measurements or why. But basically you measure from the end of the pipe you are running to the center of the obstruction you want to saddle over.
Question why do you have to multiple by 2 1/2 the number of the size of the conduit (4) ? Can you explain plz and does it have to be always by " 2 1/2 "or it changes depending the size of the object ? And what about your loss ? Plz answer and explain thanks a lot good video 💪🏽💯🔥
2 1/2 is your multiplier it always stays the same, your loss is 3/16” per inch of saddle, so if you were going to jump 2”, 2 1/2x2=5” and u you our loss would be 3/16x2 = 3/8
If this was an offset bend Using 22.5 deg bend instead of 10deg Would you still use 2.5 factor for the distance between bends Or does the 2.5 factor only apply for three point saddle Thanks
Great question!! The answer is No! I often get this question a lot and I always say it has to do with Trig and Angles. I have bent saddles in all different size conduit and it always works!! Hope this helps!!! Thank you for your support!! CM
great video! I do suggest having a cameraman with steadier hand, every time he zooms into the bender he would shake when I try to see how well the pipe lines up with the degree mark, my eyes just strains so bad. Just saying, great video! Thank you!
im a maintenance guy. jack of all trades. LOL the guys and i tried for a couple of hours. 2.5" obstruction 6.25 each way from the center. 45 at the notch 22 degree on each side. we keep coming up with 3.5 high. when we check our 22 degree angle with a digital meter. we come up with 30°. we bend the pipe so the bottom of the pipe touches the 22° line help
Okay just being sure you are bending the second and third bend on the arrow and not on the notch? Just checking and are you bending the second and third bend facing the center bend? If you are doing it the way I explained in the video I will also have to point out that not every bender the degree marks are not 100% accurate. Let me know if you try it again and see whats going on. I would love to hear how you make out!! CM
@@craigmichaud-electricalins4602 on the notch for the 45° the 22s are on the arrow bending the correct way the tail of the bender on both 22s are away from the center I'll get back to you when I figure this out I might go buy a different bender
played around spending pipe again today. I bought a Klein angle reader. It's a little square box that you can angle out to zero and then check your angle. it seems like when you bend the angle like a 45. The angle reader measures like 60. so I think perhaps we're looking at the angle line the wrong way or something. still a mystery and I won't sleep until i solve it. I'd be willing to bet most electricians don't even do the math. they use trial and error and cut the pipe. but it would be nice to do it correctly.
The line on some benders is not for kissing with bottom of pipe. If you line up the bottom of the pipe and this line parallel they should go on forever but not touching. That is why you're getting wrong angles. You're pulling it down further and over bending. Klein benders are like this. I think Greenlee and Gardner & bender have lines that you kiss with bottom of pipe but I've been riding a Klein for sometime. I measure everything. I dont eye ball anything. Math will always be right. Use your angle finder and bend it til it says 45 then look at the relation to the lines. This will show you how your bender is setup. I did need a refresher on my 3 point but that's because I plan my runs from start to finish so I can avoid 3 points lol
Thanks for watching my video!! Actually I did not forget. This video was to bend a basic 3 point saddle. My students understood shrinkage in another class. I wanted to explain it so maybe I will do another video!! Thank you for your support!! CM
The 2-1/2" is the multiplier for a 22 degree bend for a 3 point saddle. You can check out any ugly book or pipe bending book!!! Thank you for your question!!! CM
What do you do if the obstruction is only another 3/4 conduit? When you follow ur measurements the distance between each bend is very short. So when I bend my pipe they come out all cricket. Should I use a different degree bend for small obstructions?
I have the same question too I have look for a video the the bends is to go over something that is only 3/4 or 1 inch I guess no body have made one yet or at least I have not found one...
Wow that is not good. Are you sure you used the correct degree marks on the bender? Also make sure you bend the 45 degree bend first and then keep the bends in front of you. It will take practice and you will get it. I remember when I first started it took me a little bit to get it right and I was not keeping the bends in front of me. Sometimes it will take some tweaking to get it right. Keep practicing and you will get it. Thank you for watching!! CM
When you're not a "beginner" and you need to watch this 😅
Right
Same brother 😂
When you don't use it, you lose it 😅
You ain't lying
8 years doing this and I can’t keep track of a 3 point saddle
Thank you so much Mr Michaud, great instructor. You explained this so simply and precisely in less than 5 min
My respect sir straight to the point no extra blah blah just straight to the point ..very professional
Simple and to the point thank you 🙏 Brother!!!
That was awesome bro you showed us how to bend a 3-point saddle in less than 5 minutes that was cool thank you
Easyiest way explained
Don’t forget to compensate for shrinkage. Don’t need to do it in all situations but you need to sometimes and it’s good to know how.
You are 100% right on that! Sometimes I wonder if it would be worth doing a video on just shrinkage. Every situation is different but very good to know! Thanks for watching. CM
This would be very helpful
He is a good instructor 👨🏫
This is an awesome video thank you!
I just did this at my job site. Looks perfect, thank you
Great. Precise and to the point. Thank you
Thank you for getting to the freakin point. 👍
best version explained!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
I watched this because last night I was jumping over some rod on the rafters... A 2" jump. 17" from my box... I couldn't figure out for the life of me how I was going to flex the short 15" side of the saddle to 22.5... I too have been bending conduit for a long minute, and I was baffled.
“Tweaking” only on half inch.
Love your vids great instructor
simple to the point, first mark center of the pipe, 2nd and 3rd are the sum from the math ie 10inches from the first mark...thanks
He makes it look easy .
Thanks. Shirt and clear. 👍
Thanks for the video. Very helpful.
Shrinkage is just as important as anything or you’ll be short of the box
Make a video on shrinkage and examples on when you need to take it into consideration! Thanks! Very helpful.
Out of all the videos i have looked at so far you are the only person i have seen thats explains why you measure from each side of the center mark (2.5× ) will be watching more
Subscribed !
Thank you so much Mr Michaud 2022
Do you always multiply height by 2.5 on 3 points?
Yes that is the multiplier for a 3 point saddle! CM
Love this Guy
The best thank you Sir!
Great video just used it today
Mr. Craig I have a question, Do I have to multiply by 2 and a half times always in this 3 point saddle?
Thank you.
yes sir!! that is the multiplier for a three point saddle!!CM
More specifically that is the multiplier for a 22.5 degree offset. I feel he may have neglected to specify. For instance a 45 degree. The multiplier is actually 1.4. there is a logical correlation.
@@williammayoral4197 kinda confused me seeing 22 22 and 45 lol. This will cause problems on the 2 outside bends. Needs to be 22.5 22.5 and 45.
Great help thank you!
🧐 PERFECT.
Why is 4x2.5? Were did the 2.5 came from bro
Great question!!! The 2.5 times comes from 22.5 degree bends. It is the multiplier almost as if you creating a special offset type bend. It all has to do with the trig math!! Hope this answered your question!! Thanks for watching!! CM
Multiplier applies to a specific angle (let's name it Â) is cosecant (csc)  or 1/sin  in a right triangle.
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Do we always have to use a 45 degree bend or can we use 10 degree or 30? Are 22 degrees for the 2nd and third bend an always or can they change?
The 2nd and third bend are always half of the original bend. Most hand benders have 10, 22.5, 30, 45, and 60 degrees. So when you bend the center bend to 45 (which is most common) you be d the two side bends to 22.5. You could technically bend the center bend to 60 and side bends to 30 if you had to do a fairly large saddle over a short horizontal distance, but it would probably be hard to pull thru.
Thanks you you explain very weel
I’m lost where did u get the middle mark I didn’t see u measure that
This video was a instruction on how to be a 3 point. I just took the center of the conduit. No measurement or shrinkage added. CM
Dude I was the same way when I saw this video. What I noticed about instructional emt videos is that they never show how they got their measurements or why. But basically you measure from the end of the pipe you are running to the center of the obstruction you want to saddle over.
@@edcrespo1722 this why I keep searching for videos
Question why do you have to multiple by 2 1/2 the number of the size of the conduit (4) ? Can you explain plz and does it have to be always by " 2 1/2 "or it changes depending the size of the object ? And what about your loss ? Plz answer and explain thanks a lot good video 💪🏽💯🔥
2 1/2 is your multiplier it always stays the same, your loss is 3/16” per inch of saddle, so if you were going to jump 2”, 2 1/2x2=5” and u you our loss would be 3/16x2 = 3/8
@@salythaone Is there a reason why the multiplier is 2-1/2 and not 2.6 since that is what the chart says for a 22.5 degree multiplier?
How do you get the value 2.5 x ??
To achieve the 10 inch fig
Thanks
Just seen you replies this before
Thanks
Ugly book: Page 169 (year 2017) or 171 (year 2020) shows the 2.5 Multiplier.
Same for all sizes of EMT ?
Awesome
Would this work for uk
I’m sure it will unless you don’t use EMT in the UK, if you guys use the same conduit I’m sure the same techniques would be used.
If this was an offset bend
Using 22.5 deg bend instead of 10deg
Would you still use 2.5 factor for the distance between bends
Or does the 2.5 factor only apply for three point saddle
Thanks
It only applies to 3 point saddles. Please check out my offset video if you would like to see how to bend an offset!! CM
Whats the shrinkage, was it added or?
For different size of conduit is it different multiplier?
Great question!! The answer is No! I often get this question a lot and I always say it has to do with Trig and Angles. I have bent saddles in all different size conduit and it always works!! Hope this helps!!! Thank you for your support!! CM
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nice
I dont understand how u found the first bend or center bend when marking the conduit
It would be the distance from your last coupling to the center of your obstacle
great video! I do suggest having a cameraman with steadier hand, every time he zooms into the bender he would shake when I try to see how well the pipe lines up with the degree mark, my eyes just strains so bad. Just saying, great video! Thank you!
im a maintenance guy. jack of all trades. LOL the guys and i tried for a couple of hours. 2.5" obstruction
6.25 each way from the center.
45 at the notch 22 degree on each side. we keep coming up with 3.5 high.
when we check our 22 degree angle with a digital meter. we come up with 30°. we bend the pipe so the bottom of the pipe touches the 22° line
help
Okay just being sure you are bending the second and third bend on the arrow and not on the notch? Just checking and are you bending the second and third bend facing the center bend? If you are doing it the way I explained in the video I will also have to point out that not every bender the degree marks are not 100% accurate. Let me know if you try it again and see whats going on. I would love to hear how you make out!! CM
@@craigmichaud-electricalins4602 on the notch for the 45° the 22s are on the arrow bending the correct way the tail of the bender on both 22s are away from the center
I'll get back to you when I figure this out I might go buy a different bender
played around spending pipe again today. I bought a Klein angle reader. It's a little square box that you can angle out to zero and then check your angle. it seems like when you bend the angle like a 45. The angle reader measures like 60.
so I think perhaps we're looking at the angle line the wrong way or something. still a mystery and I won't sleep until i solve it. I'd be willing to bet most electricians don't even do the math. they use trial and error and cut the pipe.
but it would be nice to do it correctly.
The line on some benders is not for kissing with bottom of pipe. If you line up the bottom of the pipe and this line parallel they should go on forever but not touching. That is why you're getting wrong angles. You're pulling it down further and over bending. Klein benders are like this. I think Greenlee and Gardner & bender have lines that you kiss with bottom of pipe but I've been riding a Klein for sometime.
I measure everything. I dont eye ball anything. Math will always be right.
Use your angle finder and bend it til it says 45 then look at the relation to the lines. This will show you how your bender is setup.
I did need a refresher on my 3 point but that's because I plan my runs from start to finish so I can avoid 3 points lol
Like the video just forgot to explain the shrinkage
Thanks for watching my video!! Actually I did not forget. This video was to bend a basic 3 point saddle. My students understood shrinkage in another class. I wanted to explain it so maybe I will do another video!! Thank you for your support!! CM
Mario Gamez I was in the pool
Where did you get the 10 inc from that part confuse me
JOJO __Y.O Multiply the height of the object you want to go get by 2.5
@@joseharo1249 Ugly's book: Page 169 (year 2017) or 171 (year 2020) shows the 2.5 Multiplier.
Never a video showing a 1" obstacle. Good vid tho. He didn't talk too much, got to the point.
Papa does that apply for 3/4 pipe?
Yes size does not matter in this case. CM
hello can you tell me where i can look up how you did the math there you did 4×2-1/2 im still trying to figure it out
The 2-1/2" is the multiplier for a 22 degree bend for a 3 point saddle. You can check out any ugly book or pipe bending book!!! Thank you for your question!!! CM
@@craigmichaud-electricalins4602 . Its on page 169 (year 2017) or 171 (year 2020) Ugly's book. It does show the 2.5 multiplier.
Its on page 169 (year 2017) or 171 (year 2020) Ugly's book. It does show the 2.5 multiplier.
What do you do if the obstruction is only another 3/4 conduit? When you follow ur measurements the distance between each bend is very short. So when I bend my pipe they come out all cricket. Should I use a different degree bend for small obstructions?
I have the same question too I have look for a video the the bends is to go over something that is only 3/4 or 1 inch I guess no body have made one yet or at least I have not found one...
Instead of 45, 22,22.
Try 22,10,10.
Hello teacher COMPOUND BEND tutorial please.
Thank you.
I used this exact method on 3/4 emt but I ended up getting 6 inches instead of 4 . :(
Wow that is not good. Are you sure you used the correct degree marks on the bender? Also make sure you bend the 45 degree bend first and then keep the bends in front of you. It will take practice and you will get it. I remember when I first started it took me a little bit to get it right and I was not keeping the bends in front of me. Sometimes it will take some tweaking to get it right. Keep practicing and you will get it. Thank you for watching!! CM
Fuck a 3 point to hard to pull wire through
do you always multiply by 2.5?