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00:00 - Introduction
01:34 - Compact Disc
02:01 - Soviet Invention
04:55 - Consumer version of Soviet CD
07:27 - Where it got
08:48 - First mass Soviet standard CD players
09:55 - HiTech in USSR in 1982
10:59 - Next Time
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Not to forget, the Laserdisc existed before CD and worked the same way.
Except Laserdisc is a completely analog system. Even Dolby Digital on later discs was encoded on an analog RF carrier.
Lolpwnt
James Russell (1931) is the American inventor responsible for inventing and patenting the technology behind compact discs or CDs, called 'optical digital recording and playback'. He produced the first operating prototype in 1973
The compact disc is a digital optical disc data storage format that was co-developed by Sony and Phillips to store and play digital audio recordings.
The first workable compact disc was invented by American physicist, and music lover, James Russel in 1966.
I was just looking this up, I knew it was before 79'. The patent was even filed in 1970.
Technically, James Russel didn't invent the compact disc but one of its precursors. Early optical recording technology, which forms the physical basis of videodisc, CD and DVD technology, was first published/filed by Dr. David Paul Gregg in 1958 and Philips researchers, Kramer and Compaan, in 1969. Russel's photo-optical discs did not become publicly available until 1970.
I wouldn't be surprised of this is a Soviet Copy of earlier Laserdisc design products. By the mid/late 70s the USSR abandoned it's own domestic computer/electronics R&D, and decided it was more efficient to reverse engineer foreign electronics.
@@Alte.Kameraden Sony first publicly demonstrated an optical digital audio disc in September 1976, of course Russians copied it. The author somehow conveniently assumes the date of first commercial release to be the date the technology was invented ...
@@BorisJordanov kind of like a Soviet Hard disk drive sounding like a diesel truck... worked but was a crude copy.
Definitely would be interested in some more Soviet Tech videos.
I had Estonia CD player. It had really modern design and decent sound quality. The mechanics was not so well made, so it broke down quite often. People still use Estonia speakers, because these lasted the longest time from this set.
What broke on it?
Actually the CD was first manufactured and invented in the late 60s by a company called Disco it was a joint venture between Sony and Phillips!!
Yes the Western world has been working on the compact disc since the late 1950s!
Yes, of course they was, and fact, that first laser was ever constructed in 1960, was just minor obstacle to work on CD precursor in 50s 😀
When you want to spread lies, you should assure, that they will be not so easily exposed ;-)
@@tomascernak6112 Man don't be so dumb, search Wimipedia for "optical disc" and read its history en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc
@@tomascernak6112 Look up David Paul Gregg.
Audio Engineering Society documented the many different competing formats for digital audio disks [& video disks digital & analogue]A 1986 Radio Mascow broadcast did describe the prototyping of a device using holographic storage of digital data in glass [I think-have very little to go on vis this development].Telefunken Decca developed DMM [direct metal mastering]copper disks for digital audio disks pressed in vinyl [housed in a caddy like RCA selectavision] & played with a stylus [source-AES disk recording anthology]-technology later migrated to Lp manufacturing in the Neumann VMS 82 record mastering lathe
@@tomascernak6112Not lies at all, but documented facts. Optical discs predated lasers. Optical analog audio and video discs existed, primarily for development purposes, before the 60’s. First digital signals on optical disc was in the 60’s. Philips & Sony came out with their CDs in 1979… just not commercially yet… like the Soviet’s unit. It was just not until 1982 that the CD was commercially manufactured for consumers. When was the Soviet unit available commercially for consumers? By saying that the Soviet’s did it first would be the big lie, unless further evidence could prove it. Incremental improvements were made in optical storage had been made for decades before commercial success, which was originally the Philips/Sony CD.
Since about the 70s, the gradation of radio equipment by class has been adopted in the USSR. There were 5 such classes. It was possible to find out the class of Soviet equipment after 1973 by the first digit after the name of the tape recorder, for example. "Legend-404" - the fourth class, Romantik-304" - the third class, "Mayak-203" - the second class, "Olimp-003" - the highest class. The class of equipment is a certain combination of the complexity of the device, the engineering solutions used, the degree of functionality (what he can do), the quality of materials and parts, and of course the characteristics (for sound reproducing equipment, these are its sound characteristics - harmonic distortion, detonation, frequency range, etc.) The fourth class is the simplest devices, with low characteristics, and The highest class can often even be attributed to professional equipment.In this sense, the Soviet approach is more honest with the buyer, who knows exactly what class the item he is going to buy belongs to and roughly understands his expectations from the acquisition.
in a store for housewives - equipment for housewives,
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in the USSR - all the equipment was of the lower class, - so there was no demand.
Innovation in Soviet Union was actually enormous compared to most Western economies, furthermore whilst being sanctioned and artificially shut out from supplies by the West. I am struggling to think what innovation Australia came up with in the 20th C other than some of the university research which has nothing to do with markets, but nothing close to the innovation under the Soviet system. Most of the innovation in USA was likewise from the State sector (silicon chip design, Algol and C langages, just about every internet protocol, GPS, almost everything you find in your mobile phone had the difficult early innovative work conducted not in the private sector but the State sector). Soviet Union were in space ten years before the US could even imagine it being possible, etc. It is true that there were waits for products - so demand response latency was weakness, and could be solved - but there also was not the same ludicrous overproduction and energy placed towards marketing that we are presently trapped with.
You're a liar.
The key difference that in West, advancements made for military purposes found their way into the civilian sectors where the average person could benefit from it. In the Soviet Union, advances made for the sake of the military stayed there and were jealousy guarded and so the civilian economy started to stagnate and wither.
Well, Mrs. Holtzen you seem to talk about some kind of alternative history. You show a horrible understanding of soviet industry and innovations coming from the USSR. Especially the rocket development after WW2 has its origins in forced labour of german scientists and german technology. In general the Soviet Union was a major player in industrial espionage. And its industry was basicially not able to take advantage of any good idea someone in the industry had. CZcams offers a lot of videos about soviet products. Just watch it. The products are often times trash. You can see it on the products itself. Too many workers did not care what quality they produce because the salary was the same anyway. You can see it literally by looking at the products. And because of missing competition the customers had to live with that.
And before talking this positively about soviet economy and criticizing capitalism you should think about why the whole eastern bloc economy did not work. And the short answer is simple. They did not follow economic basics like the functions of prices.
Anyone who defends soviet or any socialist economy should take some lessons in economics.
Your channel is fascinating, thank you for the content brother!
Thanks for coming out with this channel! I've always loved Kinamania for his Dendy content but not enough of his videos are subtitled in English so I can understand. Russian/soviet culture and people are fascinating to me and I love learning more so keep it up!
David Greg and James Russel invented the laser disc storage and manufacturing methods in 1963 at IBM. My father was an associate who, among others, convinced upper management to allow them to sell the patent to MCA/Philips in 1970, as IBM had no interest in pursuing the project further, instead focusing on solid state memory storage, and magnetic hard drives.
Fascinating info. So, Phillips and sony joined to further develop this technology and make a comercial version? Because i know some of the process was not possible in the 60s as the technology was not compact enough to house all the components in the same box. What these two companies did was remarkable.
This is incorrect. James Russel never worked at IBM and he was not involved in the creation of optical media. David Gregg came up with an optical storage disk in 1958 while working at Westrex. He receieved a patent in 1962 for his video disc. This is the genesis of optical disc storage. Gregg went to work at 3M Minicom with a couple of video tape engineers, Johnson and Moss. Ultimately Gregg left to start his own company.
It would be 1968 when the Gregg and Gauss patents were sold to MCA. Philips wasn't involved at this point. They did have some work involving optical disc storage. These were known to the public in 1969. Russel's optical digital stuff wasn't really that well known and talked about until 1970. Russel had no interest in analog technology nor did he actually invent optical discs. Russel is the guy who decided to store digital audio on an optical disc. This is why despite the fact Sony/Philips "came up" with the CD...everyone had to pay him royalties. He didn't even work on the CD-Rom until after the audio CD.
Greg's work was for electron beam recording. I don't know if it had anything to do with data storage. IT's possible since they were still using CRT's for memory in that era (although rare)...but tape was already well established.
@@sarcomakaposi2054 Years of evolution and refinement by many companies. It boiled down to who had the money to license everything and get it to the public first. Had RCA had more money and not been busy dumping money in to failed projects...they could have been the ones to bring out the CD.
But they were too busy on the failure that would become CED that literally ran the company bankrupt.
Another very interesting video, thanks! I'm looking forward to the next.
sony and philips did release CD to the general public in 1982 but it had been under development for many years prior. sony first demonstrated the idea in 1975.
Great video! Hope to see more like this.
Definitely make more in this series! It is fascinating
10:00 I'm sure a lot of that machine was imported from Japan, probably Panasonic.
wow, so the issue was the lack of means to set up mass production? Man, the course of media could have been quite different if this issue had been addressed.
"so the issue was the lack of means to set up mass production" is a planned economy in a nutshell, Even if you were a succesfull company, nearly all your profit was transefered to a state budget. The moment, you tried to set up new production, you asked government for fundungs, they discuss it, introduced into a new 5 years plan... or decided, that there are other priorities like saturation of demand for cassetes or vinyls...
That’s kinda the point of communism.
@@tomfu9909 first off that sounds like a logical fallacy
Second , “in a nutshell” if Malenkov spent a significant time in power instead of Kruschev the Soviet Union would have had a much better consumer industry and a less Bureaucratic government.
@@xdiamond66programmer14 "first off that sounds like a logical fallacy" well that's the issue with communism and planned ecconomy. It is a logical fellacy.
@@tomfu9909
1st. south Korea from the time of 1962 - 1996 used 5 year plans under a sub-group of capitalism called state-capitalism and although i do not agree with the South Korean government i can say that it served their economy well ,
unless your saying that south korea was a failed government until 1996.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-Year_Plans_of_South_Korea
2nd. In terms of definitions the Soviet Union and other states were socialist states not ‘communist states’. A socialist state is a transitionary state between capitalism and communism. For definitions sake.
3rd. Socialism is not tied to the planned economy or anti-market in any way , the economic system changes depending on the current conditions inside and outside of the country. Just like how South Korea changed from a planned economy to a market economy , china also changed from a planned economy to a market economy, though in chinas case politics inside the country had a large part in this change
4th. Logical fallacy does not apply to societies , logical fallacies apply exclusively to arguments
I’m going to go play space engineers and enjoy my time off work
Wow this is very interesting. Thanks for showing this!
More videos like this please your content is amazing
would like more of these videos for sure. very interesting.
More of this, when you get a chance of course.
I just found your channel because of this video. It was linked on Twitter. Yes, I would be interested in more tech tales.
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@@skankcor3 Hey there
Fascinating! Love me some soviet (and other communist) tech. Still trying to get hold of an early CD released by Мелодия.
I'm also from an ex-communist country (Hungary to be exact), we were quite high-tech all things considered, thanks to VIDEOTON. We were the first in the Comecon countries to start making CDs, but mostly for outsourced releases for Austria, Germany and Yugoslavia.
And we also have a similar story. The famous MiniDisc was actually invented here, but the patents were traded with Sony for sanctioned computer parts.
I may be wrong but I see the biggest issue they had in Soviet Union was the lack of a proper "consumer market" that pushed down the prices down of electronics and financed r&d of better and cheaper products.
You aren’t wrong, but that’s just one of their issues. It’s a big topic, but in general their industrial incentive system did not include productivity improvements. In fact, a factory manager would be penalized for making productivity improvements that would reduce headcount - in part because they were trying really hard to move peasant farmers into factory jobs, at any cost including famine. Central planning was also very inefficient and, like you point out, tended to deemphasize “frivolous” consumer goods.
@@thatsunpossible312 "at any cost including famine"
That is completely false, part of the cold war and post cold war hatepropaganda. Mistakes were made, shit happened, because a lot of people didn't have solid enough knowledge or education for their jobs. But at the same time, USSR moved from a mostly worse than medieval level of development, to a reasonably modern nation, from 1920 to 1940. The average quality of living improvements during that time was the greatest ever in human history.
But it's amazing how eager people are to pretend that life in imperial Russia was good or even ok. No, it was really REALLY bad. Half the peasants had less rights than slaves in ancient Rome or Greece. There was barely a hint of any middle class, there was the upper class, there was the RICH and there were the more or less empoverished.
However, USSR was devastated beyond belief by WWII. And then, almost before peace had been finalised, "the west" went hyperhostile, which after people like general Patton spent much of his time in the war arguing that USA should make peace with Germany and join them in fighting the "real enemy", USSR, did not make for a good future for USSR.
The west openly proclaimed they wanted to destroy USSR, and then formed Nato...
Well duh, of course USSR had to do whatever to defend itself. And with a country halfway in ruins from WWII?
Of course they could never catch up.
"Central planning was also very inefficient"
*lol*
No, it was not. USSR central planning was dysfunctional, not inefficient.
Dysfunctional does not lead to inefficiency?
Also, forcing people from subsistence farming while collectivizing the farms absolutely led to famine. The West wasn’t initially afraid of the USSR - why else would Britain sell them jet engines. The fear developed with increasingly disturbing behavior, and British trust in their wartime ally proved to be naive.
@@thatsunpossible312 "The West wasn’t initially afraid of the USSR"
Afraid? Who said anything about afraid?
Oh no, people wanted to get back to the plans Woodrow Wilson had, to break up Russia, and later USSR. Make it easier to colonise and control.
The exact same plans that were the background goal of the psychos in Washington that caused the Ukraine war.
It's amazing how in line with the naczis the post-WWII western desires were.
Only a moron would be afraid of a nation that has just lost 1/5th of its population and had most of its large cities razed to the ground.
But nope, what was the first thing the west did after WWII? And possibly even DURING WWII.
They supported the Banderites in Ukraine.
Did you know about the war they waged during the 40s and part of the 1950s?
200 thousand civillians killed.
With the explicit support of the west.
Only the fact that USSR gained nuclear weapons for itself stopped the several times suggested "let's finish the job" proposals that contaminated the west in the 40s and 50s.
"Dysfunctional does not lead to inefficiency?"
It CAN, but it is not the same thing and it does not lead to it automatically.
The idea that central planning is inefficient is a matter of ideological propaganda BS.
Go look at South Korea for example. They pulled themselves into a modern economy through central planning and the classic 5 year plans. Worked excellently.
And here in Sweden, moving away from central planning has made healthcare and education massively more expensive, without adding any advantage.
Just as simple examples.
Soviet planning was dysfunctional for reasons and in ways that would take doctorate thesis to explain even the basics of, but there were a number of problems that caused lots of stupid effects and problems.
HOWEVER, when something important was needed to be done ASAP, and the right people took charge and made sure that they had the complete support of the bureaucracy, Soviet planning could make things happen extremely efficiently.
It was just not the normal thing.
"Also, forcing people from subsistence farming while collectivizing the farms absolutely led to famine."
No. Again that's based on exaggerating a few extreme outlier cases and pretending that they're the norm so they fit the western propaganda.
Because overwhelmingly most of the time, collectivizing farming resulted in such huge increases in food production that moving workers elsewhere didn't matter.
Yes, there were gaps in between making it work and having the results of the work, but the Soviet government made up for that by importing food.
Even more importantly, you need to understand, that famine in imperial Russia was COMMON.
It happened SOMEWHERE almost every year, often in more than one place.
And at least every 5 years there were widespread famine in some regions.
USSR could not get rid of the causes of those completely, as they were mostly the result of weather, but they mitigated the effects hugely.
The USSR in the 1920s and 1930s had an almost population boom, because so many fewer people died from famine and disease than was normal under the tsar.
"The fear developed with increasingly disturbing behavior, and British trust in their wartime ally proved to be naive."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
So, starting to provide massive monetary and military support to naczis in Ukraine in 1946 had absolutely nothing to do with USSR becoming SLIGHTLY hostile eh?
Pull the other one...
The problem, like with all communist countries is a state controlled market. The state determines what people ‘need’, not the actual market. Companies under state control had to get funds and permission to develop any product. There was no free market. And the state can’t effectively dertermine what is needed or how it should be produced. It’s pure arrogance of the leader to think they know it all and always know best. This is why communism doesn’t work!
Fascinating, more please!
Yes, of course do more vids like this. Love it!!
It's nice to see you there, Viktor! Thanks for good video.
Although the first CD player was released in 1982, prototypes had existed with both Sony and Philips in the 70s. So no, the Soviet Union did not "invent" the CD Player
I bet they stole the idea through spies
Of course , that CD was not invented in Soviet Union.
James Russell invented the overall concept of optical digital recording and playback.The earliest patents by Russell, US 3,501,586, and 3,795,902 were filed in 1966, and 1969. respectively.He built prototypes, and the first was operating in 1973
That's not what he said or implied at all.
This Russian guy is brainwashed by Soviet/Russian propaganda and he also doesn't understand the meaning of the word "innovation".
This was fascinating, I’d love to see more Soviet Tech Tales!
I have interest in further videos about Soviet tech tales. I had a great time.
One thing they actually did early was LCD watches when most of the West was LED. I actually have a Soviet LCD from 1975 that I believe was made in Belarus.
In 1965 [James T Russell] invented the overall concept of optical digital recording and playback. Two patents by Russell, US3501586A, and US3795902A were filed in 1966, and 1969. respectively.
Great video very interesting I learned a lot from it.
2:14 The first CD was shown in 1979 on Funkausstellung, so it existed.
The line where he said "the soviet union also produced quality gear"
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Im from the philippines and russian government donated a ural truck. We have a trip today and along the highway ived never seen such a beast of a truck 😂. Russians really does things different. If they did not start a war we might be interested to buy their technologies compared to disposable chinas.
I have one Marantz CD-73 from 1983 I've changed all the bad philips capacitors in, and have since then worked flawlessly for years after that now despite reaching its 40 years of age.
It also uses the og CDM-0 mechanism as the first Philips CD player.
Sounds nice too with it's dual 14-bit TDA-1540D dac.
You make me happier with the release of every new video, man!
great video!
Nice!!! 👍 Will be waiting new video)
Sony first publicly demonstrated an optical digital audio disc in September 1976. A year later, in September 1977, Sony showed the press a 30 cm (12 in) disc that could play an hour of digital audio (44,100 Hz sampling rate and 16-bit resolution) using modified frequency modulation encoding.[22] In September 1978, the company demonstrated an optical digital audio disc with a 150-minute playing time, 44,056 Hz sampling rate, 16-bit linear resolution, and cross-interleaved error correction code-specifications similar to those later settled upon for the standard compact disc format in 1980.
I am fascinated by tech stories of Soviet Union. PLEASE share as much as you can. Especially if you have video footage of electronic gadgets and footages of production.
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Very interesting. Thank you :)
thanks for shedding some light on this, i guess you could cover the formats made in Russia, tape, reel to reel and records, id love to see it!!!
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True. The Soviets also invented chorizo and flamenco.
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Awesome information
Yeah, more on that Soviet tech please!
One thing I've always been curious about are the 8-bit micro-computers developed in Russia. I believe there was one or two and that they even had their own games?
Yes, there were several Russian computers. Some day I’ll tell about them.
The mentioned calculator is actually a 16 bit computer, somewhat compatible with a lot of other computer models with a pdp 11 architecture
Nice I learned something new! Cool prototype!
The history of the compact disc is complicated. There was a lot of innovation and things that happened in the YEARS leading up to the release that makes it confusing. It may have hit the consumer market in 1982...but the ultimate history of the CD goes back further. Back in about 1956 an engineer made a prototype that stored something close to a video signal on a transmissive optical disc; a non-reflective disc. So this got a bunch of guys trying to store other stuff on disc. James Russel worked on a prototype he got a patent for...but it didn't resemble what we would consider a compact disc. What he mostly got a patent for was the idea of storing digital audio on an optical disc. His format ultimately had a lot of problems and barely worked. Digital audio was not exactly new...the core concept had been in use since the third generation of vacuum tubes (the 1930's). The military was using PCM to encode phone calls in the 40s. Patents were issued in 46, 52, and I think 56...but "The Philosophy of PCM" was published in 1948.
So everyone was actually using PCM that far back. Phone calls in the US have been using PCM since the T-Carrier system in 1961. NHK in Japan made what was considered the first PCM recorder....30khz at 13-bit using DBX compansion. In the early 70s Denon made the first commercial recordings and later came out with a multi-channel digital deck...47.25khz @ 13-bit. They came up with a portable version that could achieve "15.5 bits" of range using 14-bit audio and emphasis. Soundstream in the US had some of the very first digital audio workstations that used tape storage to provide digital audio editing. These systems used like 60khz sample rates.
I should also note that by 1972....Russel and his team had working digital video and a prototype digital video disc. Philips, which at this time was going all in on LaserDisc...did come up with the reflective disc around this time.
Now I'm not trying to downplay the soviet innovation or anything. They may have independently invented a format that was similar in a concept...but there were a lot of formats invented between Russel's 1965 concept and what we got from Philips and Sony in 1982. They probably could have gotten it out earlier but they were still trying to decide on a format and work out some of the small issues with tracking. Sony's major contribution was tracking technology, 74 minute length, and 16-bit audio; much to the chagrin of Philips who had gone all in on 14-bit to the point they had to produce inferior players due to having made all this 14-bit DAC stock.
It's a shame no prototypes or actual information exists. I would be interested to see how they came up with solutions to various things like time code and track indexing.
There is some laserdisc prototype in 1972 for video and stereo FM sound thoses optical disc was analog but PCM recording was first use in USA on the Sigsaly system during World War II for encryption of radio transmission.
Vostok Amphibia still shames most watches.
Sorry if I missed it in the video, but was the Soviet CD design digital? Analog optical discs had been around since the the 1950's and LaserDisc was developed during the 1960's, first shown to the public in 1972 and finally marketable in the late 70's. The thing that made the compact disc amazing was it was fully digital, unlike the the analog LaserDisc. I don't think the processing power was available at a consumer friendly price for digital to analog conversion until the early 80's. The first CD player in the West cost nearly $1000, or about $3000 with inflation. I doubt anyone would have been able to afford it in the USSR, even if they did beat Sony and Phillips to the design.
one year later... Yes, it was 100% digital.
Digital audio started on video media.
In 1978 they built a VHS tapes based Digital audio recorder and the professionals used Umatic video recorders to record the music for CDs
I really enjoy your perspective on all manners of things. Great job! Please keep them coming!
I've always wanted to know more about the Soviet clone of Milton Bradley's BigTrak programmable tank.
I would LOVE to see russian laserdisc's documentary.
You may investigate if Blaupunkt (Former BOSCH company) had hold a/some Patents for the digital Audio-CD for Consumers, which were sold to Philips/Sony...
Both Phillips and MCA had been developing laser based audio and video devices since the early 1970's and both companies decided to combine forces and produce a common compatible system in 1975. There are numerous newspaper and magazine articles published on their prototypes in the mid 1970s along with an SMPTE conference paper in 1974 and an IEEE paper in 1975. There was plenty of information for the Soviets to "collectively borrow." ;-)
you mean steal. because they stole it, this video is a lot of horsecrap and subpostition.. philips presented their cd in late 1978 or early 1979 to the world in Eindhoven at their HQ, only after that presentation did they team up with Sony to continue joint work on it which took them until 1982 to finalise it.
Very interesting and educational. It’s really great to see something we’ve consumed in western culture through a different perspective. I enjoy your videos.
Is that why the “Soviet scientist” shown at 3:04 is none other than American PARC/Apple fellow Alan Kay?
The first recorded historical use of an optical disc was in 1884 when Alexander Graham Bell, Chichester Bell and Charles Sumner Tainter recorded sound on a glass disc using a beam of light.[9]
Sadly, with a lot of the "We invented these first" things, having it on paper/theory versus having a physical one that actually works is a whole different thing.
Very interesting !
Great video, your accent is nice, and easy to listen. a notice at 2:44 those disks going to a oven are not glass, not PVC but silicon, it is a 75mm or 100mm disk batch going to be heated for diffusion or some other process, nothing to do with optical media.
I think by saying the Nintendo Famicon or even the Sinclare Spectrum was a copy of Soviet tech then that is definatley Soviet propaganda. There was no market for the games apart from games on the black market and not all the chips inside could be copied and so a higher chip count suggest it could be fully reverse engineered.
I welcome any and all tech tales
Philips had a working prototype CD player in 1972.
Sony had digital audio worked out by mid 70s and Philips was in the optical side of things. 1979 is more like the release of the spec, tech involved in the CD is older than 1979.
Innovation was never a problem in the USSR. Going anywhere with it? That was the Catch 22.
Predecessor of Compact Disc is Laser Disc, Released in December 11th of 1978.
Soviets stole everything!
The trouble was the stylus used to scratch the CD😢
... the cd plays you
More Soviet Tech Tales please! This is VERY fascinating! Thanks for the great video!(& Greetings from MN, USA)
I know with town without name.
Even Wikipedia has correct answer where a public information is available to everyone eyes, not only military. And there we read what was available for public audience:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_Digital_Audio
"Prototypes were developed by Philips and Sony independently in the late 1970s."
3:40 - The 44.1kHz sampling rate parallel is interesting.
In the Philips-Sony system, this is a value essentially "inherited" from using Analog Television magnetic tape systems to do the mastering. Sony already had active production of "U-Matic" machines that ran cartridge-stored magnetic tape for broadcast TV work. This system stored ~30 frames/sec of 490 image lines (interlaced in implementation, but the net rate is what matters). The Sony adaptation (NTSC) put 3 samples per image line (stored as light/dark luminance signal on the tape). 30fps x 490 lines/frame x 3 samples/line = 44100 samples/sec. The PAL system has different framerates and lines, but identical results.
If the Soviet system used 11 bit instead of 16 bit samples, this is a really weird coincidence. Sony chose 3 samples/line because it was a data density that reproduced well given the characteristics of common U-Matic tape, but wasn't a poor utilization of the tape capacity. It hit a sweet spot. Even using the same analog television magnetic tape, the Soviet system, at 11-bits per sample, could have easily supported 4 samples/line at a similar bit density, which would have resulted in a higher sampling rate (58.8 kHz).
It's also REALLY coincidental that both Sony/Philips and the Soviets chose to use television magnetic tape systems for the data storage. Sony did it out of convenience, since U-Matic was a full-production system, and was easy to adapt to the CD's data storage requirements with minimal modification. There's no fundamental reason why a Soviet project, ostensibly with military applications, would have followed the same choices (did Soviet Union have such an abundance of television magnetic tape machines?). You'd wind up with a totally different sampling rate for any of a number of arbitrary reasons.
A few years later, commercial DAT introduced 48kHz sampling, because it didn't need to work within the confines of the analog television standards. It was an independent project, and the designers had the freedom to pick a different, higher sampling rate.
Yes, I doubt the Soviets had the equivilant of a Sony Umatic player, let alone a variant modified for recording digital audio and much less the editing control equipment that enabled it to be a production system.
So you can only conclude they were working with data obtained from the west that they despise so much. As usual.
Fascinating !
Amazing! In Russia there was also a Vinyl Record Player that used a laser instead of a needle!!! That was also in the 80s but I forgot who invented it.
I have only heard about a Japanese laser record player. Are you sure about that Soviet one?
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Great video dude always interesting to hear about foreign games and tech( I'm American) keep up the good work
Greetings from Argentina. Continue showing us some vintage tech.
a lot of companies were 0:43 working on optical storage in the 60s and 70s. That doesn't mean this big funky thing is anything remotely similar to the compact disk. it's probably likely to be a clone of lazer disk or one the 100s of other optical devices
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First prototype made the attempt to offer a label in the center, possibly the idea to be double sided, as known from the laserdisc for analog video.
Compact Disc, Playstation, toiletpaper, all soviet inventions.
In hollowood move they show the ussr like the villain with nuke it good to know they are crazy tek with nuke
Most CD patents were deposited before '79 by Philips.
Even the patent for the jewelcase for storage was deposited in 1979...So story does not add up....Invention was done before that.Also Sony did market with Philips but Philips was main designer....
dunno why it reminded me of the "bone disk" when I saw the title lol
Laser discs were know way before 1979, I think it was even in the 60's. Also seems a big coincidence soviet USSR invented a compact disc that used the same format and sizes than the phillips/sony one.
I would be very surprised if both Sony and Philips did have digital formats way earlier, but had to come up with a standard....that can take years to get an agreement.
Going it alone rarely worked so you needed at least one major partner.
I love Soviet technologies.
I would love to learn about that other Soviet tech 👍
Just in the middle of the video, I realized that this is Viktor and the video is in English =). Never knew that he was making videos for an international audience.
Wow, i didn't know that
The Dendy wasn't even Russian, but Taiwanese and just rebadged in Russia.
CD wasn't the first western commercialised device to store data optically on a disc. It was mostly an affordable successful standard. Laserdisc is it's direct predecessor, it's from 1978, it could even store video and was available to the public.
At the time, where CD was shown in public, there were some alternative concepts.
One uses the video disc with grooves.
The other one a laser disc, but in 12" and way longer.
But history showed, people not really wants audio media, that runs longer than a hour. The phone tape system Tefifon was no success.
The CD was genius. It replaced the vinyl record, because it has excellent sound and it replace the pre recorded compact cassette, because it's small and portable.
"Шоу Бородатого Инженера" начал стримить сборку "Союз-Неон ПК-11/16"
DiscoVision AK Laserdisc introduce Digital PCM 44,1kHz Audio Track at 1978.1983 introduce Sony Digital Storage with 30cm Laserdisc with 3,25GB.
1978? I know about FM sound in Stereo and can't imagine, that they could miniaturize the needed decoder. Yes, later came digital sound.