HOW TO USE SWAY IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL 25 DYNASTY RECRUITING
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- In this video I have to bring myself to the front of the congregation to accept my L, as I was TOTALLY missing out on one of the most overpowered mechanics in the game by using Sway creatively to stack an INSANE influence farm.
BIG THANKS to everyone in the chat who helped me to look a LITTLE less foolish on this and I'm happy to be able to pass this strategy along to you!
PART 1: • BEST RECRUITING METHOD...
PART 2: • UPDATED BEST RECRUITIN...
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Leave me a comment if you have any questions and I'll do my best to answer them! Hope you enjoy the video!!!
I had one of my best classes last night. I may have only gotten 3 hours of sleep, but I'm pumped to get home and dive back in
Same here I’m soo tired at work but I landed a #9 class lastnight with VT my first year at HC. Was a DC at FSU for 3 seasons. Could have been top 5 but I simmed over week 3 over the summer for the portal players. Had 7 I was in first placed. Sim to next week without visits and they commited else where
Fr I stayed up til like 3 last night did some good recruiting with ecu and got them from a 79 ovr to a 84 ovr across the board in 2 seasons.Had to clock in at 9 am I leave in a hour and I’m getting right back to it
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one working on very little to no sleep the last week or so because of dynasty 😅
Why is recruiting in this game so addicting? 😅 I haven’t slept more than 5 hours in a night since it came out.
Same!!!
Nothing wrong with humbling growth and progression. A true man of the CFB people!!
Thanks from the UK for the cfb 25 help. I'm starting to fall in love with College Football!
This is a major granular development in recruiting. Most CZcamsrs only give you broad ideas but you are actually experimenting and trying new things and enhancing the knowledge of the concept. I hope you continue going with this and see if there is more we can collectively learn. Well deserved subscribe and like on the video.
@@Wingtf love to read this feedback man thanks for watching and I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it and found some value. Firm handshakes
@@FendlerYT You need to talk about positional changes!! Recruit only fast CBs and switch them to Safeties at the end of year since there faster don’t waste points recruiting FS or SS unless they a 5-star demon only CBs, Only centers move them to Guard. TE to FB etc…don’t have to waste pts or hours for every position
Better understanding the sway mechanic has been so helpful! Thank you for this.
Not that I'm anyone that matters, but i can confirm that you can get 5 interests because of sway. It's been incredibly helpful with recruiting guys that may have been out of my reach.
Overall, dynasty and recruiting has been amazing. One thing that's been annoying though is the sudden change in my grade with a prospect's interests, mostly with playing style. There's been a lot of times where i have an A grade on playing style, and he has a deal breaker with playing style of a B, and I'll invest heavily early to quickly get him to commit to my school. But then all of a sudden, when he's a week away from committing to me, my playing style grade changes to below his deal breaker and I'm locked out and i end up losing the recruit and all that time and resource was wasted...usually 5-6 weeks, when i was about to win. It happens repeatedly to the point where now i don't recruit players with a deal breaker of playing style because i can't trust that it's going to stay, even though I'm not changing anything.
I understand the sudden change in my grade to things like championship contender and playing time, and i have no issues with those. But the playing style is a weird one for me because i didn't change my play style, and it drops so suddenly and drastically.
Happened in his video also
If you have a prospect with a dealbreaker that develops on your school, you can keep him on your board in case your grade improves in that category. As long as your school is still in the running and he hasn't committed to anyone, you still have a chance at him when you meet the requirements of his dealbreaker again.
Anyone else here enjoying recruiting more than the actual football games? 🙋♂️
Esp since playing feels like you’re playing against the 85 bears and the 2000 ravens all at once yeah I find myself sometimes using a 2-3 star team to see how well I can recruit
Right ! The game within the game! I live it 🫡
Also seems to work better if you hard sell the original 3 and soft sell the additional check mark.
when u soft sell the additional what should the other 2 pitches be?
@@Topicxzideally there’s a pitch that has the additional and two of the originals you can use
@@Topicxz
Preferably they overlap at least some with the hard sell. Like you don’t want 2 red X’s and the addition green you discovered.
I've watched your other 2 videos but you humbling yourself and taking the L is what earned my sub. You're awesome dude keep it up.
Sway would be more viable if it worked like scouting where you can click it multiple times for a roll vs having to use 30 hours by advancing the week. In my opinion.
You still get 30 hours worth of influence so it’s not like you get nothing if it doesn’t work. Just look at the recruits progress bar and you’ll see he gained progress and remained #1
How do you unlock sway. Only seen it unlock once for me. And doesn't it notify you after the recruit visit. I got nothing about the visit
@@TideV2awww, you’re right. Thanks for the info! Thought it was a waste if it didn’t work
You don’t need sway. It’s a waste of a week. Guess the hard sell and if you’re wrong fix it the following week.
@@buddhastl7120sway is useful if you’re in a showdown with another team where you’ll cross the recruiting finish line in the same week. If the sway is successful it can make the difference in a prospect choosing you over the other team
Sway also locks that pitch from other schools. So if you sway the original 3 interests, other schools have to use sway in order to have a pitch that matches. Causes schools to waste multiple weeks if their sway roll fails
@@GamerGuy1999 think it says for your school only on the description doesn’t it?
3:13 “if your currently chewing on rocks”
You made me stop eating my chips so fast😂
I also immediately stopped chewing my protein bar 😂
The biggest problem I'm having so far is I'll be tied with another school on influence level, or even ahead. Got hard sell on his perfect pitch, have him come for a visit and do the right visit activity. Then between that and the next week, he commits to the other school. It keeps happening! Any ideas on that?
The other schools probably swayed them and stacked the hard and soft sell on you 😂 happened to me just now with a 5 star gem I was so close to getting
I would love to se a week to week recruiting strategy video from you. I struggle with that part right now.
We all are learnin along with ya holmes…keep it comin!!
Sway works best when you have 2 Checkmarks. If you have a prospect like you did Worthy with 2 A+ checkmarks already, try a sway with another highly rated check mark. I feel this works better than trying to grind the 1 checkmark imo. The quicker you get to the hard sell + soft sell + rest of your points is more valuable than going to maximize the grades on the hard sell/soft sell
I've been playing for a while and didn't know you could remove an action like that. Thank you, that's a game changer,
W!
Wow I haven’t used sway at all. I’m gonna give this a shot; glad I watched this.
Your ability to comeback and correct your mistake has just got you a new fan and subscriber. love the energy and info. let me also say you have a great podcast/radio voice lol
@@andretyler31 thank you for the feedback my man glad you’re tuned in
Thanks for the recruiting tips! I got the 6 ranked recruiting class last night with Baylor even though I was only able to recruit 20 guys.
This is the best tip I have gotten. I did the sway on a player and was given 5 green interests. Instead of the normal 3.
Just watched all three videos in a row. Def going to implement these tips in my online dynasty with my friends. One small thing Ive noticed that I haven't seen mentioned when scrolling the comments is another process of elimination tactic. Were doing a MAC rebuild dynasty so I don't have hours to scout everyone. My strat is go after 4 stars regardless of whatever their gem/bust will be. The example is I have 4 4 star WR on my board. None are scouted. (sorted by national rank) The two best ranked ones have the playing time dealbreaker and lock me out on the board. So this means one of the WR below them on my board must be a gem and you can remove him from the board and they open back up to me. So without scouting you can sometimes tell who will be a gem by sorting by national rank and players above them with playing time dealbreaker locking you out until you remove the gem from your list. This was probably very confusing but wanted to get it out there. Im sure someone can clean this up for me.
Also had success just using 2 interest soft sell with a perfect hard sell, no sway required. Got #1 class with 5, 5 stars and 26 4s at UK first year OC.
Dang good idea going to have to test this myself thanks for the tip
Exactly what I’ve been doing after seeing this video. Can’t wait for that sway to reveal another interest once I can go in on the hard and soft sell.
Dude I appreciate your videos so much. I was struggling trying to understand this recruiting in my first dynasty. Started a new one once I found your videos, and I was able to sign so many 5 and 4 stars 😭. Got the #1 recruiting class. Thanks for the thorough explanations, my guy 🫡
these recruiting vids are meta
Using your method I got my first top 5 recruiting class in my online dynasty with a friend last night. I was the number 1 class with like 6 5 stars
I wonder if trying to sway to a "strategy" with B+ and C+ makes it more difficult. Hence the two weeks to convince. It would have been interesting if you had swayed with "Sunday Bound," where your school has all A+ motivations even though only one is a current match. The theory being that it could be easier to sway a recruit to value something about your school (and only your school) if it is something your school is particularly good at.
These tips got me the #6 class with the Maryland tarps
Knew it! Been KILLING the recruiting. Sway is single handedly the biggest game changer.
Sometimes I go ahead and drop the soft sell even if I dont have all the spots on top of the hard sell and it seems to still come out pretty high
This is good for the the recruits whose overview interest is different than the one green interest given cuz then you really have two. Some of the overviews of recruits green interest is the same
Love the videos, but there's one subtle yet huge bug in the game with recruiting that I'm seeing no one mention or even notice. Your create a coach's pipeline doesnt have any effect on your recruiting pipeline in game. No matter what you choose it doesnt add that pipeline to your recruiting board. I wish guys would start mentioning it as a problem so ea becomes aware of it or it'll never get fixed
I tested this as well and can confirm no HC pipeline boost.
I think the higher chance of success is if you are swaying on something that is unknown with the 1 known. Taking a Green check and pairing it with 2 gray ? might give you more a chance to sway them on those because they havent had their mind made up yet on those interest.
I had 4 for sure. Have to have 2 or 1 green lined up with 1 or 2 reds to “Sway” to all green
I do this as well. You can see the influence impact on the overview tab and it is huge if a close recruiting battle
Ahhhhhh very important note! While your second sway was successful in adding the green checkmark for Conference Prestige… your grade for Playing Style went DOWN from a B+ to a C+ !
Did your team lose that week? And is that the reason Playing Style went down? Or was it because you swayed a different category? I don’t know, but I think it’s worth pointing out that swaying MIGHT potentially have a negative effect on other categories? I’m curious to hear other people’s thoughts.
This happened at 8:04
Seems like if you’re decently ahead just go for the hard sell on 2 but if you’re behind for a big target then going for the double sell might be the Hail Mary that could get you into first
I watched your vid and applied what you said. I can confirm 4 is possible. I JUST GOT 5! THANKS!
@@soopergood5012 big W
@@FendlerYT I forgot to mention it was in 1 week as well.
Bro, I think you explain all of this best! I will only come here for education on this game to get better. That said - can you do a video on how to get better on defense. Best place to start, meaning playbook, def formation, ect? Thanks bro!
I can take a look at it bro! Thanks for watching!!!
After you upgrade your coach skills you can hard and soft pitch. This has worked for me on 5 star recruits
You can always use those pitches once the player narrows down their list i believe.
@@JustinW90yea i think he meant use them at the same time
Yea. Use them at the same time. Use the hard pitch on the best choice (the option with 3 ✅ ) and the soft pitch on a pitch that has at least one of the interest and high grades for things the player is not interested in.
Thanks dude I have my first #1 recruiting class hopefully I can hold it
I’ve already been combining the hard and soft sell, but using the sway to add an interest will take my recruiting to another level. I wonder if you could even go ahead and soft sell or hard sell (if you already know 3 interests) while you sway to get some of that influence a week or two earlier. That could possibly offset the risk of an unsuccessful sway.
Yes, you can combine sway and sells. You can soft sell and sway for 50 hours
Your recruiting videos have turned me into a recruiting God! Thanks for your hard work and sharing with us.
Ya, sway is great. I had Crootin on all 3 of my coaches and had 2 hard sell on a guy.
Also, soft sell and sway combo is nice
Oh damn, this could be a gamechanger for recruiting.
your slowly helping me turn App st. into a 5 star prog
Only tip i think youre missing is prioritize contested recruits if you can win. Comtested recruits go to top 5 way faster so you can schedule a few compounding visits by week 4-5 and walk away with players you wouldve never gotten otherwise and so much faster. Obviously this is risky if you make a bad call but when you learn it, you can snowball into a truly amazing draft. Freeing up hours by locking down recruits quickly and using other teams hours to accelerate them is definitely how you min max the recruiting system
Got a 11-9-7 class of mostly gems besides the 5 stars. Loved it
How so many gems?
@@poohboy3824 when I get my first round of commits, and there's no available 5 stars I almost always scout available and undervalued 4 stars to get the 4 star gems which are arguable best value players
Landed a #1 dt recruit in the nation in a competitive dynasty!
comeon maaannn!
Let's go!!!! Make that next 5 star Blue chip just another piece of the puzzle
The visit glitch is killing me!. I had about lead of double or more than the only other school pursuing my prospect. We got to 5 teams and he was able to visit and I wasn't. He jumped ahead of me . I lost a 101 speed 4 star gem wr. Oh and I had 4 interest all As and stacked hard and soft sell.
absolute pain
You should make a vid on the best skill tree build for a head coach
It's recruiting.
Recruiting and tactician in my experience. It doesn’t appear that the bonus off-season xp in motivator is meaningful compared to the guaranteed +2s and big in game boosts in tactician.
Playing as Bowling Green St. for 2 seasons... big success in season 2 with 4 Stars (top 15 national recruiting class) by simply targeting and eating up the "no offer" 4 stars after a few weeks in i.e. THE FORGOTTEN RECRUITS . Much easier to win the 4 star recruit as small school with bad motivation grades when you are not competing vs big schools. That is until the Big Schools wake up on prospect super late in season but your head start on Influence is enough to hold them off and win recruit. Maybe I missed this - but watched all 3 vids and didn't see as much of this as I thought for the success I have seen using it.
Needed this... im losing a 5 star TE I need in online dynasty 😂😂
Someday when my 0.5 star team builder team has more than 2 good grades, soft and hard sell and maybe sway will help
Has anyone experimented with using multiple Soft Sells on a player. Assuming you have all of their interests uncovered and have 60 hours available. You can soft sell three times on them (one perfect pitch, and two with 2 checks and 1 x). I’ve noticed the influence gained arrows for using 3 soft sells looks huge, but not sure how impactful using 2 non-perfect pitches is.
This was incredibly helpful information. I messed around with it for a bit and found that using two sway pitches at the same time significantly increases your chances of adding at least 1 interest on the first try. Every once in a blue moon both pitches land and your prospect ends up with like 6 interests and 4 hard/soft sell options. I also noticed that you gain little to no influence from an unsuccessful sway, so stacking them is a decent way to hedge your bets overall if you have the hours to spare.
On the other hand, failing both pitches is a total waste of a recruiting week and can screw you over big time if you're in a tight race with other schools. It doesn't happen too often as long as at least one of the chosen pitches shares 2 interests with the ideal pitch.
I think a solid middle ground is to always add a few extra recruiting hours when using sway.
glad to hear it helped out man thanks for watching
I have 2 or 3 players that I’m in their top 5 that I can’t schedule them . 😂😂😂
I guess this is common. I think this was one of the issues they said they were going to address in the upcoming future patch
@@magnumomega7861 Sometimes they already have 3 visits scheduled or you don't have a game that fits their schedule.
@@magnumomega7861 supposedly today's patch
@@magnumomega7861 ima just stop playing that dynasty then . Cal who’s under me is also recruiting him . And I’m not tryna lose him lmaooo .
this can also be possible because if certain players already have a bunch of visits they might not be able to visit you on your home weeks
DE-COMMITS happen. Confirmed seeing in my Dynasty Week 12 and watching Bengal video also. Deal Breakers come back to get ya
I’ve had much better sway rates with one check, but at least one ? box. I think if the category is a ? It has a way higher chance to sway compared to a X category.
Would love to see a video on pipelines. Like what types of players seem to be produced by each area because I remember ea talking about that briefly.
My best draft class was 13 5 ⭐️, 12 4⭐️ and a few 3⭐️. Being Alabama it’s extremely easy to pick up 5⭐️ recruits.
well no shit…
lol yeah Bama is definitely easy mode!
Here’s another revelation. Getting one interest incorrect for one week on a hard sell isn’t the end of the world. I have guessed wrong many times and still landed the prospect correcting the following week.
I use Mizzou and land between 12-16 5⭐️ each season.
As far as sway, the more unknown it is, the more unlikely it is to sway, which I guess is why i always easily sway two checks when i need the 3rd.
you literally watch us fail on a 2 but yeah I hear you lol
I'm bout to treat homie like a dj with the requests 😂😂
Could you try experimenting on how influential the recruiting pipeline is? If you controlled the hours on the recruits, the timing of scholarships/visits/recruiting hours, and compared how two recruits with same interest levels in your school gain influence, and how the pipeline interacts with that
I realize this is probably super in depth, and I would try it myself but I get limited play time as a Dad. Hope you find time to test this, would be a massive piece of knowledge for someone playing as Kent State. Limiting my recruiting to just pipeline recruits severly limits how good your class can be, but idk if its worth pouring hours into a recruit from Georgia whos gonna just sign with the Bulldogs anyway 😂
Im doing it the way they said in the deep dive, even if there are better ways, because i feel like it keeps it a little more realistic.
"Short and Sweet". 13 minutes later. LOL. Thanks for the work :D
Thanks for confirming because I was testing it but didn’t think it was necessary due to nobody mentioning it
If you have enough upgrades between you and your coordinators, you can get 2 hard sells.
I’m guessing you NEED to have the deal breaker in your sway bc I think that’s the idea behind dealbreakers.
So if you have all 3 interests for a player but they are not yet in the top 5 stage, should you continue sending the house or contacting friends and family? I was in first place for someone who was super close to his top 5, and 3 weeks later he reaches top 5 and I’m in 3rd place. Is it because I didn’t allocate any points to him? I assumed that I would still gain influence for the prospect even when not giving points, as I already knew his 3 interests and was waiting on him.
You have to keep putting points towards him to stay in first place. If you were in first place to begin with it’ll be easier to stay in first place with some points on him, but if another school is pursuing him you will lose him. If it’s a player you really want, I’d send the house until you can hard sell and then go do that. If another school is in a tight battle with you, I’d soft sell something with 2 green checks if you can send 65 hours at the player, as that almost guarantees the commit
If coach has 50 hours for that position is it better to sway + soft sell or hard sell + dm player?? Love the deep dives man. Keep up the great content
@@grimeygaming7656 hard sell + DM bro! Posted a fresh update on alllll this recruiting stuff just a couple days ago, you might enjoy it
@@FendlerYTbig bet!! Gonna check it out now
It seems like sway works exactly as it did in 2014
Wouldn’t it be best to use your hard sell with the newly unlocked motivation with it being the recruits new “ideal” motivation for the school? Probably makes little difference, just a thought! Makes sense how I lost out on a RB recruit I had as a 4th tier pipeline recruit and ND somehow got his ass at 2nd tier. Thanks!
Not seeing people mention bye week recruiting. Using the bye week to add complementary recruits helps also if you’re in a pinch and don’t have a game available. i.e QB,RB,WR
Bye week visits aren’t going to be hugely beneficial
@@FendlerYT Completely agree but if locked in a battle and no game available for the visit. Stacking the recruits on a bye that complement each other works can get 2 influence for that visit especially if you apply the sway, pitch method. Great video though.
It's good thay could sway in the right direction 😅
Howdy, great videos…glad i cane across your page. In another video you mentioned a tip about adding prospects and advancing a week to gain two interests becoming visible? Does that mean the flow is: wk1-add prospect and do nothing, add nothing, no scholarships or scout… just backout and adv to week 2, in order for two interests to materialize?
I don’t see the benifit of not giving scholarship
I have to confirm whether they had scholarships on them before the advance to precipitate the 2 interests. Been getting more feedback of folks holding offers until later
If you “send the house”on the last week you could steal prospects I was second and not near the commit point at all
So, I thought this was a bug when I was in one of my dynasties (until recently another CZcamsr touched on this)
🚨 RED ALERT RED ALERT 🚨 this piece of advice will change the way we all go about recruiting in dynasty forever
You have the opportunity to INSTANTLY RECRUIT prospects if you are #1 on their chart before offering them a scholarship.. If you have the most influence on a prospect in a given week and haven't offered them a scholarship yet you can do so and there is a random chance that he will instantly recruit bypassing any need to schedule a visit or try and find his ideal pitch
This can even be done with smaller 1-star schools over 4-5 star prospects if you're one of the few schools that're dumping hours into a player early on
Subbed because of the rant at 2:13 . 😅😂
lmfao W
Awesome jersey! Thank you for the content
I did this exact same thing with sway after watching this and lost the guy instead of locking him in, I got locked out and chosen over the other school who i was ahead of.
There was no reason to sway if you’re already in the lead lol. Think of it more like a Hail Mary. Not the right use if you’re already good to go
Professor Fen at it again
Great video my guy! Love the detail with your videos.With a hard sell on the ideal pitch already, is it better to soft sell on 2/3 dealbreakers or contact friends and family?
One question I’ve been trying to figure out is do you keep the hard sell on each week or do you take it off afterwards and go back to sending the house?
They need to fix awards in my guys states I won awards but can’t see them
Great vid bro super helpful. You know anything about the mechanics behind instant commits?
You can upgrade your pipelines under the program builder coach ability
I just unlocked it in year 4 as a new head coach at app state and I’m excited to see how much it helps! Also, south Florida might be the best pipeline and iv found it best to get about 15 guys in the board and fully scout them based off needs and pick out the gems. And slowly build that up to about 25 throughout the season. Leave 10 spots open to focus on transfers. I was able to sign a number 10 class my last season in year 3 with app state.
Might be that it's easier to sway depending on your coach abilities
Ayone know why guys randomly change their playing style dealbreaker?
Oh snap another part!(not sure if I saw part 2)
Great videos man!
6:50 you're still not doing it quiet right. You should pick something like sunday bound. As he already likes pro potential at A+. Then you are swaying for conference prestige and championship contender. Both of which are A+ for you. So you are changing your hard sell from a A+,B+,C+ into A+ all around.
did it on the fly bro lol relax
Something I learned in my testing.. If sway doesn't work the first week, you can continue to leave it on. Because it's a percentage play, there's a chance the next week it will flip in your favor.
that's what happened here
Is doing a hard sell + soft sell better than sending the house? Also when would it be beneficial to use sway instead of sending the house every week?
yes on the first. maybe on the second Sway bit. it's not a guarantee like we saw in this video.
Do you recommend waiting to sway until you already know they aren't interested in one of the items you are attempting to sway? I'm thinking if you do it too early you could sway on what was already going to be his perfect pitch if you kept scouting him and just end up wasting the hours.
at least one, yeah
I Mainly go for gems which doesn’t feel like it works but
How can you increase a prospects interest in your school outside of our the hard/soft skills and visits? If you send the house to a prospect, and all their interests are already revealed, does keeping send the house help keep you in their top schools? Everyone says "make sure to get into prospects top 5 so you can sell/schedule visits", but what can you do to improve your chances of making their top 5
Can you do a video on what to look for in your coaching staff
So keep Sway and add soft sell for the maximum influence. Bet
But didn’t you say only hours spent matter not the influence? Maybe that’s someone else I don’t know.
Here’s an idea to test out that I am testing. Once you got your school pretty far. Bumped up 4+ star or you start with beast coach or a high rated school.
Once you open CEO go get the dream school. Then instead of offering scholarships early use your time to scout a bunch of guys. Then attack the dudes you want, then when your number 1 offer the scholarship. I tried my first year and hitting instant sign about 15-20% clip with Rice. I’ll actually track next year the %. Seems less stressful lol.