Ducati Performance oil cost $280 for 5L and can only be used for up to 600 miles. Motul 300v oil cost $90 for 4L and can be used for up to 3,000 miles. 300v made 2HP less than Ducati Performance oil. Which oil would you use? Get your Motul Engine Clean here: amzn.to/4cLfEIR
Honestly neither. These race oils aren’t meant for the street, regardless of how you ride. They sheer quickly bc they’re meant to replacement after a race, not sitting at a traffic light. Even if you lose a couple HP just getting a standard Mobil, Castrol or Amsoil oil is much safer for 99% of people on street or track.
I’d love to see the viscosity of the corse oil. Match it to v300 run them both. It’s very possible the viscosity is the only real difference. Motul uses group 5 base oil and shell hasn’t invented a better base oil. If they really do thin it out that would be why you reduce service time. And I’m sure theres a stupid amount of friction modifiers added to not blow it up as well. I bet the engine sounded more clunky in person with the corse oil. Like you could hear it moving more. Or it could still be 15-50 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️ they don’t advertise the viscosity lol. It’s probably a 0w-xx as your tech noted how thin it is.
@Accost2u do you have a Supersport or race bike? I used both 300v and 7100 in my fireblade.. 300v shifts gear much smoother and lasted longer than 7100.
Looking at the graphs though...it looked like it made MORE than 2hp more at other spots in the rev range...it may have not made 3.5 more peak HP, but it did look like more than 2 hp around 11000 - 13000 rpm.....and dont even look at how much more midrange the BMW made....because it was a LOT...where the V4R was making 100hp the BMW was making 125hp or so....hope everyone caught that....and dont look at the BMW torque curve comparatively either....it was dead flat across from like 6000rpm on...right around 80 ft lbs....where the V4r didnt get there til around 9-10 grand....there is a LOT to take in....
Everyone is pretty familiar with the M/S1000RR engines….the V4R should still perform better on the track for a variety of reasons not power. That being said V4 SP make way more power mid range and will destroy the BMW.
Worth mentioning that the ducati performance oil CAN NOT be used in any of the bikes with the oil bath clutch. Dry clutch bikes only. Interesting test though i would have liked to see 3-4 runs on each oil to get a better baseline. Still, awesome video!! I run 300V in my streetfighter v4s
Thanks Charles. You're right about Ducati Performance Oil only good for dry clutch applications. We ran the bikes 2 more times then shown in the video and the HP was the same. We wanted to keep the video under 20 mins and didn't show all 3 runs.
@@650iboh that's awesome. Im pretty impressed with that number achieved over the 300V. The motul is already and Incredibly slippery oil. This was an awesome video. Love the V4R. It was in the rack the day I ordered my V4S. Or the day I picked it up. I can't remember!
I use Liquid Moly in most of my engines. I found the wet clutch performance far better than it was with the Shell Advanced that Ducati recommends. Fuel economy went up which means friction was reduced. Oil life is significantly better, my clutch feels the same with the new oil as it did with 3000 mile old oil. Yamaha Full Synthetic Blue gave similar clutch feel as the Liquid Moly. I had to change my oil in the middle of a 1 month road trip and Yamaha Full Synthetic Blue was all I could find in the small town I was at.
Amsoil is an excellent and perfect choice! I've used and tested Motul in the past, the 7100 series. Amsoil keeps the temps better under control, the engines run smoother.
Switching to any thinner oil in theory will give you similar results in horsepower provided less drag for the rotating assembly, could you have just used a thinner Motul 🤷🏻♂️ maybe, I love to see a bearing wear test on that oil. It might just be shell performance oil
It’s a waste of money any synthetic 5w-30 is just as good . I use Castrol , it’s what my engine builder recommends and builds all the motors for factory triumph . Hanshaw racing engines, he explains it on his page .
99% of the people who ride on the street will not benefit from the Shell oil and are better off taking track days and riding schools to improve their abilities.
For speeding, the Ducati oil/Shell Advances Ultra 15w50(recommended by Ducati) is the best option for Ducati engines. Motul is for hot weather and adventure/touring also traffic kind of thing because it keeps the temperature lower and the engine sounds more bass
It's basically a high performance car oil, since it is dry clutch, no need for JASO MA, the oil will be slicker. And lower viscocity maybe 40 or 30 grade..
Just because it’s got the Ducati name on it, 275 dollars for around a gallon, and I bet the Alisyn less then zero weight would do the same thing or maybe better for a hell of a lot cheaper,,
Thanks for doing this test! Probably best left for people racing professionally. You could argue trackdays also, but the bike already makes so much power. BTW your M1000RR had a large increase in power over the V4R the mid-range and lower that probably was worth mentioning.
The 300 ml of Motul Engine Clean is for the car, while the 200ml Moto version is for bikes. The liquid colour is also different, Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Im surprised nobody talked about how hard the BMW pulled and then completely fell on its face. The graph shows it drops, goes up, and then starts to fall off again. Tune must be off or something because that BMW definitely has more HP than that. I wish there was an AFR reading too
If you want more horsepower form the Motul you just should have put in a 10W40 instead of the 15W50. It is exactly what the Ducati Performance oil does (you noticed how “thin” that oil was). I bet you would have almost no difference in the dyno then.
why don't you do the same thing with te M1000rr? Do a pull when using bmw's Advantec oil and another with Motul in it, because BMW actually claims that the BMW Advantec oil is better to use in their bikes. Just saying, would be really nice to se the difference.
Koristim Kastrol power 1 racing u svim motociklima 10w50 pocev od Buse do skutera,Motul sam koristio i mislim da je samo naduvena prica dobar je sipam ga u kosacice,agregate za struju,od Motula mi se samo dobro pokazao sprej za lanac C4 i sredstvo za suvo pranje a ulje je trecerazredno jer ima mnogo boljih!!!
For starters 99% of riders cannot use all the power and its capabilities of a ninja 650 or a r7! So gaining 3hp using 0 weight oil to reduce windage losses is really stupid unless you are a top ten road racer in the nation! Your lack of experience and skill is harming you more than the hp of your bike!
Do you think it's worth the money to gain only 2hp? What's the price difference between motul 300v and Ducati performance oil? That's a ripoff to ride only 600miles on it.
this is just ultra LOW viscosity Oil...Probably SAE 0W-10 or 5W. 80-90 bucks for 5Lt Used in circuit racing and mostly in Dragster..Very low friction (so 1.5% % gain in performance), very thinn BUT CANNOT withstand many heat cycles. tHAT IS why it must be changed after 500-600miles. It provides NO protection after 15-20 heat cycles. Why is it used in Racing exclusively? Very low internal friction, minimal film You COMPROMISE engine life A LOT using this "Ducati Performance" oli... It offers MINMAL protection .But In racing, & dragster, you simply DO NOT EXPECT an engine to last 20K miles... If you want your engine to last MORE than one racing season (or eqivalent Km on road) put some PROPER (viscosity) oil in it and enjoy the200whp! Your mechanic should have known this stuff....
Don't put that paint stripper through your engine! If you do use it, do a double oil change after. Don't waste your money on expensive oil. Oh yeah, change bikes every 1k miles.
Ducati Performance oil cost $280 for 5L and can only be used for up to 600 miles.
Motul 300v oil cost $90 for 4L and can be used for up to 3,000 miles. 300v made 2HP less than Ducati Performance oil. Which oil would you use?
Get your Motul Engine Clean here:
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Honestly neither. These race oils aren’t meant for the street, regardless of how you ride. They sheer quickly bc they’re meant to replacement after a race, not sitting at a traffic light. Even if you lose a couple HP just getting a standard Mobil, Castrol or Amsoil oil is much safer for 99% of people on street or track.
I’d love to see the viscosity of the corse oil.
Match it to v300 run them both. It’s very possible the viscosity is the only real difference. Motul uses group 5 base oil and shell hasn’t invented a better base oil. If they really do thin it out that would be why you reduce service time. And I’m sure theres a stupid amount of friction modifiers added to not blow it up as well. I bet the engine sounded more clunky in person with the corse oil. Like you could hear it moving more.
Or it could still be 15-50 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️ they don’t advertise the viscosity lol. It’s probably a 0w-xx as your tech noted how thin it is.
Ducat, dont make oil, this is shell brand and why you choise 15x50 motul 300v York bike run with 5x30 or 10x40 motul 300v the result maybe different
@Accost2u do you have a Supersport or race bike? I used both 300v and 7100 in my fireblade.. 300v shifts gear much smoother and lasted longer than 7100.
Not worth Ducati oil, 300v worth it... 2 bhp won't matterbwhen you are 230lbs
Looking at the graphs though...it looked like it made MORE than 2hp more at other spots in the rev range...it may have not made 3.5 more peak HP, but it did look like more than 2 hp around 11000 - 13000 rpm.....and dont even look at how much more midrange the BMW made....because it was a LOT...where the V4R was making 100hp the BMW was making 125hp or so....hope everyone caught that....and dont look at the BMW torque curve comparatively either....it was dead flat across from like 6000rpm on...right around 80 ft lbs....where the V4r didnt get there til around 9-10 grand....there is a LOT to take in....
unfortunately most people just look at the peak numbers. not to mention that the bmw seemed like it slipped on the dyno
True, but look at the graph you can see where the M starts to drop off, the R keeps going.
@@kickinitwithkudasyeah….they have completely different redlines so that’s not surprising…
@@TheRealBhuado true. most people just look at peak numbers when there's so much you can infer from dyno results.
Everyone is pretty familiar with the M/S1000RR engines….the V4R should still perform better on the track for a variety of reasons not power. That being said V4 SP make way more power mid range and will destroy the BMW.
Worth mentioning that the ducati performance oil CAN NOT be used in any of the bikes with the oil bath clutch. Dry clutch bikes only. Interesting test though i would have liked to see 3-4 runs on each oil to get a better baseline. Still, awesome video!! I run 300V in my streetfighter v4s
Thanks Charles. You're right about Ducati Performance Oil only good for dry clutch applications. We ran the bikes 2 more times then shown in the video and the HP was the same. We wanted to keep the video under 20 mins and didn't show all 3 runs.
@@650iboh that's awesome. Im pretty impressed with that number achieved over the 300V. The motul is already and Incredibly slippery oil. This was an awesome video. Love the V4R. It was in the rack the day I ordered my V4S. Or the day I picked it up. I can't remember!
The best way I can describe it is think of it as automotive grade oil. Don’t use it in any motorcycle unless it has a dry clutch. Lmfao
I use Liquid Moly in most of my engines. I found the wet clutch performance far better than it was with the Shell Advanced that Ducati recommends. Fuel economy went up which means friction was reduced. Oil life is significantly better, my clutch feels the same with the new oil as it did with 3000 mile old oil. Yamaha Full Synthetic Blue gave similar clutch feel as the Liquid Moly. I had to change my oil in the middle of a 1 month road trip and Yamaha Full Synthetic Blue was all I could find in the small town I was at.
I've been waiting for this video...As usual you didn't disappoint!
Thanks Bro 🙏🏾🦾
Beautiful bikes 650ib, i like seeing new products tested, that said, i run Amsoil Metric 10-40 oil plus Amsoil filter in my R1. 🍻
Amsoil is an excellent and perfect choice!
I've used and tested Motul in the past, the 7100 series.
Amsoil keeps the temps better under control, the engines run smoother.
Performance is one thing.
Protection is an other one .
It would have been very interesting to send a sample of both oil for analysis
Switching to any thinner oil in theory will give you similar results in horsepower provided less drag for the rotating assembly, could you have just used a thinner Motul 🤷🏻♂️ maybe, I love to see a bearing wear test on that oil. It might just be shell performance oil
This was a great video IB good job! Motul 300v is what I run in my 2019 Yamaha R1
It’s a waste of money any synthetic 5w-30 is just as good . I use Castrol , it’s what my engine builder recommends and builds all the motors for factory triumph . Hanshaw racing engines, he explains it on his page .
@@mcsbikelife3829 you like what you like and we like what we like. No wrong answer to this. Ride safe
@@808Affliction and that's the right answer! 🏁🏁🏁
300v is the best for R1, fireblade, gixxer etc.. no other oils satisfied me in my fireblade.
@@Naldo_S1K 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
99% of the people who ride on the street will not benefit from the Shell oil and are better off taking track days and riding schools to improve their abilities.
Why not use the Stahlbus oil drain valve? I use it on all my bikes.
For speeding, the Ducati oil/Shell Advances Ultra 15w50(recommended by Ducati) is the best option for Ducati engines.
Motul is for hot weather and adventure/touring also traffic kind of thing because it keeps the temperature lower and the engine sounds more bass
Check the Amsoil variant.
That brief look of the graph looked like the M1000RR had like 20hp on the V4R mid range! Not all about peak power.
You are correct 🦾🦾🦾
What is the number SAE for Ducati performance oil ....??I think the 300v 10-40 give the same performance.
This was an awesome video.
Thanks Bro 🙏🏾🦾🦾🦾🦾
Was waiting for this for soo long....
(The proven Less Than Zero Weight Alisyn Pro-Drive oil sold at Brock Davidson's site for $78 has entered the chat)
Not surprised, Shell M/C oil the synthetic versions have been excellent for years
I can’t get over how pretty your M1000 is IB. 😍
Thank you VERY MUCH 😍😍😍🦾🦾🦾🦾
A 1% difference on a roller dyno can be everything, an oil or water temp difference of very few degrees, a small difference in tire temperature also.
Green line on graph is mind blasting 😱
Hi bro..im your subscriber from Malaysia.. love this video 💪🔥
It's not showing that u uploaded in the notifications IB but looking forward to this video bro 👊😎
It's basically a high performance car oil, since it is dry clutch, no need for JASO MA, the oil will be slicker. And lower viscocity maybe 40 or 30 grade..
Really love the v4R
Just because it’s got the Ducati name on it, 275 dollars for around a gallon, and I bet the Alisyn less then zero weight would do the same thing or maybe better for a hell of a lot cheaper,,
Thanks for doing this test! Probably best left for people racing professionally. You could argue trackdays also, but the bike already makes so much power.
BTW your M1000RR had a large increase in power over the V4R the mid-range and lower that probably was worth mentioning.
True, but look at the graph you can see where the M starts to drop off, the R keeps going.
Awesome comparison! Thanks iB 😉
The V4R 100% rev’d faster with the Shell oil. That was the biggest difference i noticed
Lighter wallet makes you go faster too?
For racing it is cheap horsepower. Useless for the street imo, especially if you have yo change it every 600 miles.
Not really, especially when you are 230lbs.. n other riders are under 200lbs.
I agree losing weight is the cheapest way to make your bike faster, but if you are into racing. 2hp gain from the engine for 270 is not that bad.
600 mile life is absolutely garbage with all the advancements in synthetic lubricants.
The 300 ml of Motul Engine Clean is for the car, while the 200ml Moto version is for bikes. The liquid colour is also different, Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Im surprised nobody talked about how hard the BMW pulled and then completely fell on its face. The graph shows it drops, goes up, and then starts to fall off again. Tune must be off or something because that BMW definitely has more HP than that. I wish there was an AFR reading too
Great video IB, I've used Motul since the beginning for my 1299 FE... Hasn't let me down.
Hey, get your helment OFF of that vette @ 1:01
🤣🤣 Thanks Scott! Yes, Motul 300v is the best oil and I removed the helmet from the Vette 🦾
Would love to see different velocity stacks on the dyno.
Yess... i also use motul 300v for my R1M
Next video comparison: EVOO vs baby oil? 😅
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🔥 video OG!
Thanks Bro 😍😍😍😍
I gotta get my bike flashed and tuned this weekend. Get this bad gen1 zx 10 ready to smoke boots
The V4R looks 😍🔥❤
Please send a virgin oil sample to blackstone so we know what ducati corse performance oil actually is.
Cool video but a 1% difference on the dyno could be a lot of factors other than oil.
I've gotta get my V4SP2 and Fireblade on the dyno soon!
If you want more horsepower form the Motul you just should have put in a 10W40 instead of the 15W50.
It is exactly what the Ducati Performance oil does (you noticed how “thin” that oil was).
I bet you would have almost no difference in the dyno then.
Yamalube RS-4GP is awesome.
Great content
Great video
Its cool to make more power, but I am looking at what oil is for... keep the engine running longer.
Great point!
Should of also tested a fully synthetic generic oil to see if 300v makes gains on that
why don't you do the same thing with te M1000rr? Do a pull when using bmw's Advantec oil and another with Motul in it, because BMW actually claims that the BMW Advantec oil is better to use in their bikes. Just saying, would be really nice to se the difference.
Thanks for the suggestion. We might do it.
15W50 pour la Motul et la Shell , quelle viscosité, ça compte non ?
Hello, I liked the Motul watch, can you send me a link where I can buy it?
Did you run them at the same engine temperarure? Shell performance oil vs motul 300v
Yessir... Absolutely.
Very Nice Review👍👍
Thank you 👍
Koristim Kastrol power 1 racing u svim motociklima 10w50 pocev od Buse do skutera,Motul sam koristio i mislim da je samo naduvena prica dobar je sipam ga u kosacice,agregate za struju,od Motula mi se samo dobro pokazao sprej za lanac C4 i sredstvo za suvo pranje a ulje je trecerazredno jer ima mnogo boljih!!!
You should have take the motul 300v2 which is the evolution of the 300v
1% change on a 200hp motorcycle is negligible in the scientific process.
it has to do with the resistance in the motor. I guess one handles this better
Ducati performance oil probably is thinner than the 15w50 300V, and there is the difference în power
so where are the 240.5 horsepower declared by ducati?? Please let me know!!
Ducati claimed that HP number at the crank. Power is lost when it makes it to the wheel.
The “motul engine cleaner” is just a fancy and more $$$ seafoam
That dude clearly didn't know the oil was gonna squirt backwards 😂😂😂
Nah, I didn’t. First time ever working on a bike tbh.
A thinner oil will always makes more HP than a thick oil at the expense of engine wear.
That motul looks like gatorade in the window...lol
This guy even bought a Motul watch 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Maybe u could do that
Guys, if you wanna know the true history of oil.. look at James McCanney’s work.
Love the smell 300v 😅😅
Price ?
why only 1 pull?
Each bike got 3 pulls and we used the highest numbers from each. Didn't want the 🎥 to be too long.....
Nice scientific experiment, are you now going to use Ducati oil for your V4? 🙃
I would never use a overpriced manufactur recommend Oil .
Nice video! You can try Ducati oil on that M , I'm curious how much HP you gain from 191.
300v is not road oil its made to ride a track day and dump it !
that is a dumb mind set 😂
That not a mind set a purpose ! That oil is meant to being abuse and change after
Thought Ducati claimed 240hp, at the crank I’m guessing, is there that much loss or is this not making 240.
You generally see 10-20% of power lost throughout any engine. This would put us right at the 200ish mark
@@kroot47 More like the 20% at that point. thx for the reply
Did you see the crankshaft connected directly to the dyno, or did you see the wheel transferring the power?
For starters 99% of riders cannot use all the power and its capabilities of a ninja 650 or a r7! So gaining 3hp using 0 weight oil to reduce windage losses is really stupid unless you are a top ten road racer in the nation! Your lack of experience and skill is harming you more than the hp of your bike!
Use 300V in all my bikes and scoots, including my Vespas, and I think it’s the best.
I agree 🦾
Think loosing some weight, helps more in performance. And benefits in heald to😅
I doubt ib has any sludge in any of his bikes lol.
V4r
203 hp? Didnt they claimed smth like 214.5 hp?
215 overall hp . This is the back wheel hp. Since it is modified the overall hp of his bike must be 225+
@@NickN56that’s called crank hp not overall.
They claimed 240hp w the oil, I’m assuming at the crank. So coming up short.
Does a thinner fluid mean less protection of the moving parts of the motor? Just curious.
Yes
@@650ib Thanks for the answer.
Do you think it's worth the money to gain only 2hp? What's the price difference between motul 300v and Ducati performance oil? That's a ripoff to ride only 600miles on it.
Is made for competition... in racing 2 hp is the difference between a 1st to 5th bike. For normal use? not worth it.
#650ib♥️
That engine clean looks the same as the engine flush, which I just put in my Jeep. Oil changed...
I swear 300v isn’t ment for non track riding
For race use maybe but on the street no. Not worth the money
My suggestion is don't bother with stupid expensive oil .stick to motul 300v
Imagine paying $280 dollar per 600 miles for 3HP which aren't even noticeable HAHAHAHA
It's not doing wsb ducati much good toprak is 100 points in front of all the others
The oil you use if you're a billionaire
this is just ultra LOW viscosity Oil...Probably SAE 0W-10 or 5W. 80-90 bucks for 5Lt
Used in circuit racing and mostly in Dragster..Very low friction (so 1.5% % gain in performance), very thinn BUT CANNOT withstand many heat cycles.
tHAT IS why it must be changed after 500-600miles. It provides NO protection after 15-20 heat cycles.
Why is it used in Racing exclusively? Very low internal friction, minimal film
You COMPROMISE engine life A LOT using this "Ducati Performance" oli...
It offers MINMAL protection .But In racing, & dragster, you simply DO NOT EXPECT
an engine to last 20K miles...
If you want your engine to last MORE than one racing season (or eqivalent Km on road) put some PROPER (viscosity)
oil in it and enjoy the200whp!
Your mechanic should have known this stuff....
Don't put that paint stripper through your engine! If you do use it, do a double oil change after. Don't waste your money on expensive oil. Oh yeah, change bikes every 1k miles.
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lollllllllllllllllllllll
Little bit pricey, ducati oil……..
But other m1000rr produce stock 191 192 then how ur brentuning m1k less ho
Just make sute it's 4T oil if you have a wet clutch.
Rolling up to Ducati on a m1000rr is outlandish 😂
… Motul for me.
Ducati has no torque . That beemer got the juice
so it's not 240hp as what they claimed?
240 hp in crank
@@afnanzh8060I see, many thanks
Waste of money. Unless your in AMA/World Superbikes