Competition is good for the market. I appreciate you mentioning the difference of USB-C ports. Big reason why I upgraded to the RCII from the RCI. I hope Rode is watching this space and adds the Automix in a firmware update. Benefit of having a digital mixer. As always, thank you for the time you put in for these reviews to help the consumer in their research. Stay safe.
I have used Mackie for years. So glad to hear this product is a quality addition. Also, glad to be able to invest in a podcast / streaming tool from a company with,Mackie's track record. Thank you, Curtis. Fantastic detail and relevant content as always.
Finally a company is able to step up and truly compete with Rode so we get some much needed competition! After all the half baked attempts by Zoom & Co, i did not expect this! Also, great review as always Curtis!
@@TDCIYB77 It's certainly not as flashy, but the quality is fantastic for the money. I've used it for a year, and I love it. It seems so under-appreciated. I chose it over the original Rodecaster. The Mixcast doesn't have many of the new features of the Rodecaster 2, but it does everything I need, and what it does - it does very well. Just my opinion.
My setup consists mainly of a digital piano (in stereo), a mic and a guitar. Sometimes 2 guitars & 2 mics. Right now I'm running everything into a Yamaha MG10ux and out into 2 E/V Evolve 50. I was ready to upgrade to a Boss Gigcaster 8 when I saw this mixer. This would be used strictly as a mixer/audio interface/recorder (with a Mac Studio). I know the Boss has tons of guitars & vocal effects but I love the screen and extra inputs on the DLZ (I have external guitar effects as well). Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
Always interesting to take a step into (more?) professional audio. I learn a little more every time; all thanks to you. A satisfying and worthwhile watch!
It looks really great, and I can see where it would be ideal for many people. I opted for the similar Boss Gigcaster 8 though, because I am primarily a guitarist and singer. There are certainly advantages to each, but to me the following were important. 1) 32 bit recording. When I use this, I will be both in the musician and sound engineer roles, and I don’t want to have to worry about setting exact levels. 2) Guitar and singing oriented DSP. I especially like the guitar effects foot-switch options. 3) Pre-fade individual track recording. I want to hear with sweetening but record raw audio with no DSP. 4) USB and 9v power. This is super convenient for musicians. My Elite Acoustics amp has internal battery power and USB and 9V power outputs for external music gear. 5) Hi-Z guitar input. 6) Talkback functions and built in mics. This wouldn’t matter during a podcast, but is really helpful in recording live music sessions. In all sorts of other ways however, I can see the appeal of the Mackie DLZ, even for music.
In practice, I found the Gigcaster 8 to be frustrating on many levels, so I ended up buying a DLZ as well. I must say after a few days that the DLZ is far better in almost every single way, even for musicians.
I don't think you mentioned it, but I apologize if you did: does the DLZ have a feature/setting to mute monitor speakers when a mic is turned on? That's a pretty important feature if it's being used as a console mixer for a streaming radio station. I know the RodeCaster Pro does that.
I’ve seen in another video that it doesn’t, so far. Now with the Ethernet port there might be updates coming, but I’m not sure. I guess now you’ll have to press the mute button above the monitors fader before lifting up the mic fader.
Not that I see and with the way I use it, I’d want the option to NOT do that. But a firmware update with the option to turn that feature on or off seems like it may be possible.
On this stage Mackie wanna say that they are not new kid on the block for audio mixer industry. I have both RCP1 & RCP2, but have to admit that DLZ offers more advance features that Rode don't. Can't wait the DLZ coming to my country.
@@the.wanderer bro' I stay so busy I have never even care to play with enough to realize that, if that's the case, this saves me a nice chunk of $$$. Thanks 👊🏽
Dear Curtis. Thank you 🙏. Once again a great presentation. I can't tell you how much I like your clips. The DLZ is awesome. Mackie is doing a lot right here. I‘m excited about the planned network integration. The network interface is not useable at the moment. After your review, I will think about purchasing it more intensively now. The purchase of the Yamaha AG08 is off the table. So, I think at the moment. The best thing would be if each of the maximum possible 14 tracks could arrive separately in the computer and all of them could be recorded at the same time. Well, there is always room for improvement. Keep up the good work. All the best. Servus. A loyal subscriber for years from Bavaria
The first glance of it makes me stop to stare at it... feel that I've definitely seen the knobs and faders on other products. But I believe that the competition makes it good for consumers to have more possibilities. Though I've purchased the Rodecaster Pro II...I can still say that this is really great to see the walkthrough by Curtis, enjoy.
Oh man i was waiting for this review… Sadly that second usb port it was a must have for a dual pc streaming podcast setup, Mackie i had hopes! They need to revive the DL series with dual usb ports and updated preamps cause thos mixers are legendary.
Wow this thing is great. I have the LiveTrak L-20 which is dual use for me - both livestreaming and straight up live sound PA. I love my L-20 but I can see why you would choose the DLZ as the clear winner for pure podcasting. Looks sensational. Love the screen on the DLZ. I don't love that I had to pay extra money to get the Bluetooth receiver for remote control from iPad for my L-20. Great review as always.
How do I run audio out of a DLZ into my Canon XF605 pro video camera, which has XLR inputs? When I connect a 1/4 TRS cable to the XLR, the sound is distorted because of the mic level vs. line level. How can I overcome this and run my sound from the DLZ directly into the Canon XF605? Thank you
It's a perfect time to compare these mixers!!! 80dB gain is so attractive but latency is not. When Panasonic has latency through HDMI, a mixer has some, then, it looks quite complicated situation to deal with. Would it be better to use XLR connection on the audio mixer from camera manufacturer to reduce latency as much as possible? Overall, it looks complicated...
It really isn’t hard. The camera has way more latency but to avoid the whole issue, I run audio directly from the DLZ to camera. 5ms is no issue in that case.
@@curtisjudd Great video, DLZ is a great console. In my livestreams, I notice a delay, a subtle audio lag. I know you connect the DLZ directly to the camera. I have a Sony A7III. How do I send that audio back to the PC for my streams? I use Streamyard. What cable or device do I need? Thank you 🙏
Starting to explore the DLZ features, I noticed that adjusting the Output Delay of the LR output channel (to fix sync in a video streaming setup), also delays the audio in the headphone outputs. I found a way to avoid the headphone delay and thought it may be useful to others. The LR Output Delay will affect the headphones when the headphone Mode is set to Standard. Setting the Mode to Custom, or Quick Mix will not include the delay. So unless you are using one of the headphone outs to feed your streaming switcher and want the delay you set in the LR channel setup, just change mode to Quick Mix, and the delay will be gone, and the headphone mix will use the fader levels just like Standard. Edit: Also discovered that in Quick Mix/Custom Mode you won't hear the reverb or delay from the channel sends. (The pad effects are still heard though.)
Very helpful. I've always loved the Mackie mixers when trying to get value at cost. The DLZ puts them dead center with existing base and reaches into the RODE base
This was a great review! WOW to the point I subscribed. You were clear. Even when you got to a technical term you explained it in simple terms! ✊🏾💪🏾 great content should always be supported. I am now a full in on your channel! Let’s go!
I have had this on my desk waiting to be reviewed and your video just made more curious. It's big, for sure. But it's good. I believe this could convince some skeptical sound guys to have a go to this kind of products more than RODE which has a lot of quality, some bells and whistles but a different approach. Well done as always Curtis!
Yeah, my RCPII is still within the return period, so I am considering returning it and getting the DLZ instead. I love the auto-mix feature and output delay, but I kinda want the second usb input that the RCPII has. Is there a way that I can output the sound of my second computer and input it on the DLZ?
I love your all reviews its very helpful. Please can you suggest me any solutions for Left and right out to single stereo cable bcoz when I have some time at smaller event just one speaker and I want to use the mixer out but speaker only have one xlr input so how to send stereo signals? can you use the phones out to send to speaker?
Nice one Curtis. I wonder what Mackies firmware update schedule will look like? Or if Rode can add automix via firmware? Also, another pro for the rodecaster is being USB-C powered you can easily find a USB power delivery brick to power it without needing the AC adapter all the time. Mackie is certainly coming in hot though... probably the closest competitor compared to Zoom and Tascam. Thanks again for the in-depth look!
Great video, DLZ is a great console. In my livestreams, I notice a delay, a subtle audio lag. I know you connect the DLZ directly to the camera. I have a Sony A7III. How do I send that audio back to the PC for my streams? I use Streamyard. What cable or device do I need? Thank you 🙏
Excellent brief review, Curtis. Enjoy watching your reviews. I am now considering upgrading from my Yamaha MG10XU, considering Rodecaster and now also this one. How about pre-amp quality of Mackie new mixer? I am mostly streaming solo, but occasionally podcasting with 1-2 more persons. Mostly using Rode and Sennheiser mics. Also I do connect my guitar to the mixer often. Is there any strong reason which makes me want to go for Rodecaster Pro 2 over Mackie DLZ Creator (except the price)?
The main benefits of the RCP2 from my perspective are the smaller size, dual USB ports for connecting to two computers if you need that, and lower price. The preamps are great on both.
Thanks Curtis, great review. Impressive unit, but I am very happy with the Tascam Mixcast 4. I am not saying that it is in the same class as the Makie, but it is very good quality and great value at $USD400.
Great review like always! How would you compare this and Zoom Livetrak L-8 when it comes to music recording in home studio, directly to SD and for DAW?
What I need are 4 input streams coming from 4 different PC's all with their own USB Mics attached.... sent across ethernet into a switch, and then from there into the Stream PC where they are mixed together on a real computer monitor with software wit mute, fader bars, and equalizers, and sent out to the internet (CZcams). How do I do this? Neither the Mackie nor Rodecaster seem suitable to do this...
@CurtisJudd - Great enthusiastic review! The manual (which is highly entertaining) states the usb interface is a 14x4 and mentions how to route the 4 usb inputs but doesn't mention much about the output. Do you know if/what it sends via USB and it it routable? Also, the "tdb" Ethernet port is interesting... Dante/AVB perhaps?
Well that was certainly worth the wait! Thanks Curtis. Personally, I’m looking for something that can perform as a limited function front of house mixer as well. If I only need to feed 2 speakers, I think this could work. Tell me…Is 5ms delay normal/ acceptable for a live mixer do you think? Also, is 5ms acceptable if you’re running straight to camera?
Hey Curtis, thank you for another great, (and informative) video. My question to you is not regarding the DLZ Creator but rather something i saw on the footage above on your setup, which is the mounted teleprompter, could you disclose a little bit about that teleprompter, like, for example, brand, which camera that will fit best and where to find it to purchase? Thank you!
Hi Dan, that’s an Ikan and I use it with a Canon C200 - a smallish cinema camera. Not sure of the model number of the Ikan prompter, but it was around $2000 if I remember correctly.
I need to check (don’t have it in front of me at the moment) but I believe you can set it to record pre-fader which is what you’re describing. Just can’t remember if you can do that with the stereo mix.
Hey Curtis, do you know how I connect my DLZ Creator with my ledlist American Audio MkII? I also have studiomonitors. Can I connect the leddisplay direct into DLZ or do I need to go between the mixer and monitors? Thanks in advance 🙏/ Ulf
Impressive contender! Thx Curstis for sharing, This beats the broadcaster by a mile... Do you know if we can use input 5/6 as a 5th microphone input and add a fifth guest to the automix?
Love your videos mate. I have a rode aster pro 2 but now I'm gonna buy this. I have a question though. Does the DLC also export each channel individually for each mic channel? Instead of just summing everything into a stereo bounce?... The rode aster pro 2 does this quite well, and I read online someone complaining that the dlz doesn't give you that option. I want to be able to export each channel separately so I can later import them into my DAW for further tweaking.
Did you find the Automix worked effectively when all channels were set to High Priority? I saw a different review that stated the Low Priority mode actually dropped the volume of the channel so low that it was basically unusable, but nominating High, Medium & Low was necessary for the Automix to function properly at all. Did you find this? Is it actually gain sharing at all?
It doesn’t attenuate much when all mics are set to high priority. Ideally you set the mic of the person doing most of the talking to high and the others to medium.
I assume you mean one of the colored pads. Currently, no. But the DLZ is basically an audio computer so it might be possible with a firmware update if Mackie decides to implement that.
As a mobile dj, that often mic musician abd guitar for ceremonies or cocktail. Would it be possible to use the headphones output to plug some monitor on a stage? Like for an aux. Send?
Thanks for the review. Does the Mixpre have any monitoring delay like the DLZ? I’m very interested in automix as a feature as I find it improves podcast sound a lot, I know sometimes this introduces latency in some devices. Thanks
Hey Curtis, amazing review as usual, always enjoy your thoughts. If I need to use this with remote meetings, I’d there a way to have audio only come out of monitors or the headphones, I guess this would be a monitor mute function? Just curious if this exists for the DLZ Creator?
I use the ATEM Mini series. But I run the balanced audio out of the DLZ to the balanced XLR inputs on a canon c200. If you plan to run the DLZ to an ATEM Mini, you’ll need to use a cable the has two 1/4” TS connectors to a single 3.5mm TRS cable.
Curtis, awesome! A few questions about it: You mentioned instrument inputs, I didn't see any indication of Hi-Z input, do you know if it's good for guitars and so on? The only other of these that work properly in that aspect are the RCP II and the new Boss Gigcaster series which would be fantastic to review if you get the chance. Another question, the RJ45 port, what kind of cool stuff can you do with that? Seems like that could be an interesting implementation if they use it for more than the basics. Cheers!
1. I don’t have an instrument on hand to test it, but Mackie support should be able to confirm for you. 2. Looks like they have future plans for that port but nothing of note yet.
What would you get if you buy more traditional digital mixers like Allen & Heath Qu-16 Chrome, Allen & Heath SQ5, Soundcraft Si Performer 1,Yamaha TF-1, Presonus StudioLive 32SC and Behringer X 32 Compact? Yamaha has released Digital Streaming console DM3.
Do you have any way to test the preamps as to the noise level? I see lots of very positive reviews of the dlc, many of which are from people who got it for free from Mackie. I'd like to see an unbiased measurement of the preamps to compare them with other brands.
Yes, I have a dummy XLR connector with a 150ohm resistor across pins 2 & 3 to simulate the load of most dynamic microphones without adding the signal from a microphone. The DLZ's preamps produced less self noise than the RODECaster Pro II by a couple of dB (as a reference).
Someone wrote this as a feedback on Amazon... have you tested or experienced this? When I read about the Mackie DLZ Creator I ordered it on the spot. I was very excited for all of the features and it’s possibilities. Everything worked great except one key feature, it would not record audio from my MacBook. We have a podcast studio and need to record audio from zoom, CZcams, and other internet sites. The audio would be distorted and high pitched. I called tech support but all they said was it was because of the sampling rates and that I needed to make sure they were the same as the Mackie. I have never had an issue with my Rode Caster 1 or 2. I may have gotten a bad unit but I had the return it because I have employees who need plug and play and are not tech savvy.
Hi, quick question… at 9:50 you said that there was no line out for consumer level camera input… you then mentioned that middleware box… I was curious… why not have used 2 6.3mm JACK to a single 3.5MM? any particular reason why would the box be helpful or necessary? Many thanks and great video as always.
Someone that’s used to one of the big, top-end digital consoles/boards, they might feel this is dumbed down as it doesn’t have busses and DCAs and such. But for it’s intended purpose, I find it quite intuitive and capable.
How would the SD MixPre II with the MIXASSIST plugin compare to the DLZ AUTOMIX? Obviously the MixPre is not optimized for Podcast use, but thought I'd ask...
Hi, can I have some information? As a streamer I need different things than a podcaster and broadcaster. I've been looking for a mixing console with a USB connection to a pc for years. I'm using RCP2 at the moment so the way I need it doesn't work. I need to assign a different sound to each fader from the PC via USB. Fader 1 microphone, fader 2 microphone, fader 3 sound firefox, fader 4 sound chrome, fader 5 sound game, fader 6 phone,fader 7 chat discord, fader 8 main mix. I haven't seen anywhere yet if it works. Thank you.
@@curtisjudd Thank you for your answers. I thought that's what DLZ can't do either. Rhetorical question why someone doesn't make a professional streamer machine anymore after so many years of making goxlr. Personally, I've been waiting for this since 2018 😔
Mackie should have hit the market at the same price as Rodecaster Pro 2, or even $50 more. Would love to see the competition bring about lower prices. Tascam Mixcast 4, which I have & love, is going for $399, and so is the Zoom P8 at this moment.
I don’t know of any sub $1000 podcast mixer/recorders with less latency than this. But, you can create a custom headphone mix where you pull down the level of your mic so it isn’t so distracting.
just how one can synch the canon c70 with dlz Mackie because both are line level can you do the same thing with Panasonic s5ii with the Panasonic DMW-XLR1 XLR Microphone Adapter on top in the hot shoe with mics going in the Panasonic dmw - xlr1?
Question about the output delay, does the delay effect the usb c audio and the trs outs on the back, or just the usb c audio? I want to be able to sync the audio for my stream with the delay on the usb c audio but not effect the trs output. Is it possible to delay one and not the other? Great video as always. I have learned so much from your videos.
I called Mackie tech support, the delay effects both the usb c audio and the trs outs on the back. I suggested they change that in the next firmware update. We will see what they do,
Mackie has been in my inventory all the way back to the beginning. I love this product and by far think its the best available. However, navigating through waters i have never been before makes me need to blast them for the lack of a legit owners manual. Or a "how to guide" This needs to be their priority. get it done and available for new users. Great Review BTW.
That Automix don't seem to be "gain-sharing" when all mics are ON and on the same priority, all high for instance, it doesn't seem to lower other mics' level of non-speaking mic. Would be great to make more automix test.
There is only 1 USB to host connection, but it does support 4 channels of audio from the host device (computer). So it cannot connect to two separate computers at the same time like the RCP2.
@@curtisjudd alright, that’s doesn’t disturb me, as I only use one USB connection with my RCPII. Just wanted to make sure there could be 2 different stereo streams through that cable, and not only one.
@@curtisjudd I just mean when you have it plugged into a pc is there only one output the pc can use. So like if theres multiple I could have my spotify on one channel of the DLZ and my game or chat audio on another channel. Is something like that possible
this looks more my speed over the rode caster. I'm not a sound engineer but I do like mixing music with pro tools. I think this is closer to what some of us would rather have over the competition.
Finally I get to forget about the Rode product. I trust Mackie. And definitely I'm getting the Mackie Creator. Thanks, Curtis!
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Competition is good for the market. I appreciate you mentioning the difference of USB-C ports. Big reason why I upgraded to the RCII from the RCI. I hope Rode is watching this space and adds the Automix in a firmware update. Benefit of having a digital mixer.
As always, thank you for the time you put in for these reviews to help the consumer in their research. Stay safe.
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I have used Mackie for years. So glad to hear this product is a quality addition. Also, glad to be able to invest in a podcast / streaming tool from a company with,Mackie's track record. Thank you, Curtis. Fantastic detail and relevant content as always.
Thanks, Micah.
Finally a company is able to step up and truly compete with Rode so we get some much needed competition! After all the half baked attempts by Zoom & Co, i did not expect this!
Also, great review as always Curtis!
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@@harmoncollege Not quite on the level as this or the Rodecasters.
@@TDCIYB77 It's certainly not as flashy, but the quality is fantastic for the money. I've used it for a year, and I love it. It seems so under-appreciated. I chose it over the original Rodecaster. The Mixcast doesn't have many of the new features of the Rodecaster 2, but it does everything I need, and what it does - it does very well. Just my opinion.
My setup consists mainly of a digital piano (in stereo), a mic and a guitar. Sometimes 2 guitars & 2 mics. Right now I'm running everything into a Yamaha MG10ux and out into 2 E/V Evolve 50. I was ready to upgrade to a Boss Gigcaster 8 when I saw this mixer. This would be used strictly as a mixer/audio interface/recorder (with a Mac Studio).
I know the Boss has tons of guitars & vocal effects but I love the screen and extra inputs on the DLZ (I have external guitar effects as well). Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
Steller review. I have watched several videos covering the DLZ Creator. This is one of the the most informative. Thanks.
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Always interesting to take a step into (more?) professional audio. I learn a little more every time; all thanks to you. A satisfying and worthwhile watch!
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Curtis, I love when you compare different products in details, give your own opinion with arguments in nice calm and cool way!
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Impressive! Someone actually topped the RodeCaster it sounds like. I've always like Machie boards
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It looks really great, and I can see where it would be ideal for many people. I opted for the similar Boss Gigcaster 8 though, because I am primarily a guitarist and singer. There are certainly advantages to each, but to me the following were important. 1) 32 bit recording. When I use this, I will be both in the musician and sound engineer roles, and I don’t want to have to worry about setting exact levels. 2) Guitar and singing oriented DSP. I especially like the guitar effects foot-switch options. 3) Pre-fade individual track recording. I want to hear with sweetening but record raw audio with no DSP. 4) USB and 9v power. This is super convenient for musicians. My Elite Acoustics amp has internal battery power and USB and 9V power outputs for external music gear. 5) Hi-Z guitar input. 6) Talkback functions and built in mics. This wouldn’t matter during a podcast, but is really helpful in recording live music sessions. In all sorts of other ways however, I can see the appeal of the Mackie DLZ, even for music.
Yes, Gigcaster looks like a nice option for musicians.
In practice, I found the Gigcaster 8 to be frustrating on many levels, so I ended up buying a DLZ as well. I must say after a few days that the DLZ is far better in almost every single way, even for musicians.
I don't think you mentioned it, but I apologize if you did: does the DLZ have a feature/setting to mute monitor speakers when a mic is turned on? That's a pretty important feature if it's being used as a console mixer for a streaming radio station. I know the RodeCaster Pro does that.
I’ve seen in another video that it doesn’t, so far. Now with the Ethernet port there might be updates coming, but I’m not sure. I guess now you’ll have to press the mute button above the monitors fader before lifting up the mic fader.
Not that I see and with the way I use it, I’d want the option to NOT do that. But a firmware update with the option to turn that feature on or off seems like it may be possible.
On this stage Mackie wanna say that they are not new kid on the block for audio mixer industry. I have both RCP1 & RCP2, but have to admit that DLZ offers more advance features that Rode don't. Can't wait the DLZ coming to my country.
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Auto-mix SOLD me. I have RCP2, original RCP and a Zoom F6 but this is going to be my main on location podcast rig 👊🏽🙌🏽👏🏽
As far as I know, f6 had auto mix. i no longer have f6 so cannot confirm.
@@the.wanderer bro' I stay so busy I have never even care to play with enough to realize that, if that's the case, this saves me a nice chunk of $$$. Thanks 👊🏽
Yes, F6 has automix. Give it a try some time 👍
Great help Curtis. Thoughtful and well presented. Thankyou
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Thank you very much you made a professional reviews of this equipment. I will buy it.
Happy recording!
Dear Curtis. Thank you 🙏. Once again a great presentation. I can't tell you how much I like your clips. The DLZ is awesome. Mackie is doing a lot right here. I‘m excited about the planned network integration. The network interface is not useable at the moment. After your review, I will think about purchasing it more intensively now. The purchase of the Yamaha AG08 is off the table. So, I think at the moment. The best thing would be if each of the maximum possible 14 tracks could arrive separately in the computer and all of them could be recorded at the same time. Well, there is always room for improvement. Keep up the good work. All the best. Servus. A loyal subscriber for years from Bavaria
Thanks! Yes, nice that all 14 tracks can be recorded independently via USB. 👍
The first glance of it makes me stop to stare at it... feel that I've definitely seen the knobs and faders on other products. But I believe that the competition makes it good for consumers to have more possibilities. Though I've purchased the Rodecaster Pro II...I can still say that this is really great to see the walkthrough by Curtis, enjoy.
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Auto mix changed my decision from rode to mackie. Thanks curtis you’re the best
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Oh man i was waiting for this review…
Sadly that second usb port it was a must have for a dual pc streaming podcast setup, Mackie i had hopes!
They need to revive the DL series with dual usb ports and updated preamps cause thos mixers are legendary.
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This is great!
I hope more companies are making better Podcasts equipment.
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Wow this thing is great. I have the LiveTrak L-20 which is dual use for me - both livestreaming and straight up live sound PA. I love my L-20 but I can see why you would choose the DLZ as the clear winner for pure podcasting. Looks sensational. Love the screen on the DLZ. I don't love that I had to pay extra money to get the Bluetooth receiver for remote control from iPad for my L-20. Great review as always.
Thanks, Terence. 👍
How do I run audio out of a DLZ into my Canon XF605 pro video camera, which has XLR inputs? When I connect a 1/4 TRS cable to the XLR, the sound is distorted because of the mic level vs. line level. How can I overcome this and run my sound from the DLZ directly into the Canon XF605? Thank you
Switch the camera's input to line level.
It's a perfect time to compare these mixers!!!
80dB gain is so attractive but latency is not. When Panasonic has latency through HDMI, a mixer has some, then, it looks quite complicated situation to deal with. Would it be better to use XLR connection on the audio mixer from camera manufacturer to reduce latency as much as possible?
Overall, it looks complicated...
Honestly I haven’t noticed the 6 ms delay on my RCPII so you should be fine with the 5 ms delay on the M-DLZ.
It really isn’t hard. The camera has way more latency but to avoid the whole issue, I run audio directly from the DLZ to camera. 5ms is no issue in that case.
@@curtisjudd Mixer to camera. OK.
@@curtisjudd Great video, DLZ is a great console. In my livestreams, I notice a delay, a subtle audio lag. I know you connect the DLZ directly to the camera. I have a Sony A7III. How do I send that audio back to the PC for my streams?
I use Streamyard. What cable or device do I need?
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Fantastic review once again ! - Thank you.
Thanks Peter 👍
picked it up 2 days ago, sending love and peace to everyone...
Happy streaming and recording!
Starting to explore the DLZ features, I noticed that adjusting the Output Delay of the LR output channel (to fix sync in a video streaming setup), also delays the audio in the headphone outputs. I found a way to avoid the headphone delay and thought it may be useful to others. The LR Output Delay will affect the headphones when the headphone Mode is set to Standard. Setting the Mode to Custom, or Quick Mix will not include the delay. So unless you are using one of the headphone outs to feed your streaming switcher and want the delay you set in the LR channel setup, just change mode to Quick Mix, and the delay will be gone, and the headphone mix will use the fader levels just like Standard. Edit: Also discovered that in Quick Mix/Custom Mode you won't hear the reverb or delay from the channel sends. (The pad effects are still heard though.)
Super useful to know, thanks!
Very helpful. I've always loved the Mackie mixers when trying to get value at cost. The DLZ puts them dead center with existing base and reaches into the RODE base
Same here. Always appreciated the simplicity and durability of my VLZ4.
You pre-empted my query about automix vs noise gates! Thanks for clarifying that.
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This was a great review! WOW to the point I subscribed. You were clear. Even when you got to a technical term you explained it in simple terms! ✊🏾💪🏾 great content should always be supported. I am now a full in on your channel! Let’s go!
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Mackie knows how to make sound boards. This thing looks great!
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What an outstanding feature set, for a first release in this category!
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I have had this on my desk waiting to be reviewed and your video just made more curious. It's big, for sure. But it's good. I believe this could convince some skeptical sound guys to have a go to this kind of products more than RODE which has a lot of quality, some bells and whistles but a different approach. Well done as always Curtis!
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Thanks Curtis
You’re welcome!
While I'm not throwing out my RCPII, I am a little jealous of that auto-mix feature!
Yeah, my RCPII is still within the return period, so I am considering returning it and getting the DLZ instead. I love the auto-mix feature and output delay, but I kinda want the second usb input that the RCPII has. Is there a way that I can output the sound of my second computer and input it on the DLZ?
@@77netwar what’s your return period?
A software update will do. Pretty sure Røde will have it. Røde is tested through time.
@@faithnewsmedia7321 😆 If they weren't before, they are now!
I hear that!
I love your all reviews its very helpful. Please can you suggest me any solutions for Left and right out to single stereo cable bcoz when I have some time at smaller event just one speaker and I want to use the mixer out but speaker only have one xlr input so how to send stereo signals? can you use the phones out to send to speaker?
I would just use one output and make sure all your channels are panned to that one output.
This is such a good comparison!! Thank you very much!!
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Nice one Curtis. I wonder what Mackies firmware update schedule will look like? Or if Rode can add automix via firmware? Also, another pro for the rodecaster is being USB-C powered you can easily find a USB power delivery brick to power it without needing the AC adapter all the time. Mackie is certainly coming in hot though... probably the closest competitor compared to Zoom and Tascam. Thanks again for the in-depth look!
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Great video, DLZ is a great console. In my livestreams, I notice a delay, a subtle audio lag. I know you connect the DLZ directly to the camera. I have a Sony A7III. How do I send that audio back to the PC for my streams?
I use Streamyard. What cable or device do I need?
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Send the audio from the A7III to computer? It should automatically be sent with the video via however you’re getting the video to your PC.
Thank you for this deep dive. Very helpful. My father is starting a podcast and I have no idea where to start
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Amazing review once again by the sound mastwr
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Excellent brief review, Curtis. Enjoy watching your reviews. I am now considering upgrading from my Yamaha MG10XU, considering Rodecaster and now also this one. How about pre-amp quality of Mackie new mixer? I am mostly streaming solo, but occasionally podcasting with 1-2 more persons. Mostly using Rode and Sennheiser mics. Also I do connect my guitar to the mixer often. Is there any strong reason which makes me want to go for Rodecaster Pro 2 over Mackie DLZ Creator (except the price)?
They were promoting their preamps mentioning their « Onyx preamps » in commercials. I guess it’s as good as the Revolution Preamps from RODE
The main benefits of the RCP2 from my perspective are the smaller size, dual USB ports for connecting to two computers if you need that, and lower price. The preamps are great on both.
Hi Curtis and everyone! What is your opinion about DLZ mic preamp compared with Rodecaster 1? Thank you!
The DLZ preamps are slightly cleaner but both are incredible so the difference is largely academic.
What a beauty
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Great work .. thank you
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I am so early, I can only watch in 360p :) Love the trend of "cheaper" digital mixers.
UHD now. Yes, nice that there are more options.
Thanks Curtis, great review. Impressive unit, but I am very happy with the Tascam Mixcast 4. I am not saying that it is in the same class as the Makie, but it is very good quality and great value at $USD400.
👍 Happy recording!
When you put the SD card inside the Mackie and record. The sound is not that good so do you have to edit the audio again or add effects?
No. Sounds like you’re recording pre-fader.
Great review like always! How would you compare this and Zoom Livetrak L-8 when it comes to music recording in home studio, directly to SD and for DAW?
I'd prefer the DLZ over the ZOOM.
What I need are 4 input streams coming from 4 different PC's all with their own USB Mics attached.... sent across ethernet into a switch, and then from there into the Stream PC where they are mixed together on a real computer monitor with software wit mute, fader bars, and equalizers, and sent out to the internet (CZcams). How do I do this?
Neither the Mackie nor Rodecaster seem suitable to do this...
@CurtisJudd - Great enthusiastic review! The manual (which is highly entertaining) states the usb interface is a 14x4 and mentions how to route the 4 usb inputs but doesn't mention much about the output. Do you know if/what it sends via USB and it it routable? Also, the "tdb" Ethernet port is interesting... Dante/AVB perhaps?
Yeah I’d love some networking with the RJ45 port. Where’d you find that manual?
@@clemradio pg. 12
The 4 channels from the computer are left, right on the first two and whatever you have configured for the remaining 2 channels.
@@curtisjudd Thank you. And is it actually 14 into the computer via usb that can be accessed by a DAW for example?
@@TheUnMarketingGroup yes, natively on macOS, with the ASIO driver on Windows.
Well that was certainly worth the wait! Thanks Curtis. Personally, I’m looking for something that can perform as a limited function front of house mixer as well. If I only need to feed 2 speakers, I think this could work. Tell me…Is 5ms delay normal/ acceptable for a live mixer do you think? Also, is 5ms acceptable if you’re running straight to camera?
Hi Andrew, yes and yes. For simple live spoken word PA system it should be fine.
Can you please make a review and comparison video to the Boss Gigcaster 8?
If I can borrow one.
Hey Curtis, thank you for another great, (and informative) video. My question to you is not regarding the DLZ Creator but rather something i saw on the footage above on your setup, which is the mounted teleprompter, could you disclose a little bit about that teleprompter, like, for example, brand, which camera that will fit best and where to find it to purchase? Thank you!
Hi Dan, that’s an Ikan and I use it with a Canon C200 - a smallish cinema camera. Not sure of the model number of the Ikan prompter, but it was around $2000 if I remember correctly.
Does the effects on the LR output affect the local SD/USB recording? I ask mainly to add a compressor as a limiter same as you did.
I need to check (don’t have it in front of me at the moment) but I believe you can set it to record pre-fader which is what you’re describing. Just can’t remember if you can do that with the stereo mix.
Hey Curtis, do you know how I connect my DLZ Creator with my ledlist American Audio MkII? I also have studiomonitors. Can I connect the leddisplay direct into DLZ or do I need to go between the mixer and monitors?
Thanks in advance 🙏/ Ulf
I’m not sure how the LEDList works. Does it have pass through for monitors?
Impressive contender! Thx Curstis for sharing, This beats the broadcaster by a mile... Do you know if we can use input 5/6 as a 5th microphone input and add a fifth guest to the automix?
With the auto mix, can you link 2 inputs together? For example if you have a handheld mic (sm58) and an overhead on each guest. (2 guests)
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Very cool product and very cool review :)
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Love your videos mate. I have a rode aster pro 2 but now I'm gonna buy this. I have a question though. Does the DLC also export each channel individually for each mic channel? Instead of just summing everything into a stereo bounce?... The rode aster pro 2 does this quite well, and I read online someone complaining that the dlz doesn't give you that option.
I want to be able to export each channel separately so I can later import them into my DAW for further tweaking.
Yes, the DLZ records each channel independently and does the same via USB.
Did you find the Automix worked effectively when all channels were set to High Priority? I saw a different review that stated the Low Priority mode actually dropped the volume of the channel so low that it was basically unusable, but nominating High, Medium & Low was necessary for the Automix to function properly at all. Did you find this? Is it actually gain sharing at all?
It doesn’t attenuate much when all mics are set to high priority. Ideally you set the mic of the person doing most of the talking to high and the others to medium.
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This device looks amazing. Will it run into support issues like go xlr pro?
I e been using it since late April and haven’t had any issues yet.
Was looking at this for a Fairlight and Premiere/Audition hardware interface, since they accept Mackie MIDI.
How's that for radio production? Can you save the file over to the computer to say Dropbox?
You can if you set your DAW to save it there.
Hello, can we play straight musical loop with pad ? Thx
Hello...can I program a button on the DLZ Creator to switch off the reverb and echo, for example? Thanks for your answer.
I assume you mean one of the colored pads. Currently, no. But the DLZ is basically an audio computer so it might be possible with a firmware update if Mackie decides to implement that.
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As a mobile dj, that often mic musician abd guitar for ceremonies or cocktail. Would it be possible to use the headphones output to plug some monitor on a stage? Like for an aux. Send?
Possibly? Not sure, I haven't tried it.
Impressive gear 😎
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Thanks for the review. Does the Mixpre have any monitoring delay like the DLZ? I’m very interested in automix as a feature as I find it improves podcast sound a lot, I know sometimes this introduces latency in some devices. Thanks
I haven’t specifically tested it measured it on the MixPre, but subjectively, I haven’t noticed a latency.
@@curtisjudd great to hear, thanks! Subjective is good enough for me.
Hey Curtis, amazing review as usual, always enjoy your thoughts.
If I need to use this with remote meetings, I’d there a way to have audio only come out of monitors or the headphones, I guess this would be a monitor mute function?
Just curious if this exists for the DLZ Creator?
Just pull the master fader down. 👍
@@curtisjudd ok thank you, knew there would be a simple answer.
What would you recommend for video switchers to go along with this for streaming? Say, 3 camera & PIP.
I use the ATEM Mini series. But I run the balanced audio out of the DLZ to the balanced XLR inputs on a canon c200. If you plan to run the DLZ to an ATEM Mini, you’ll need to use a cable the has two 1/4” TS connectors to a single 3.5mm TRS cable.
Curtis, awesome! A few questions about it:
You mentioned instrument inputs, I didn't see any indication of Hi-Z input, do you know if it's good for guitars and so on? The only other of these that work properly in that aspect are the RCP II and the new Boss Gigcaster series which would be fantastic to review if you get the chance.
Another question, the RJ45 port, what kind of cool stuff can you do with that? Seems like that could be an interesting implementation if they use it for more than the basics.
Cheers!
1. I don’t have an instrument on hand to test it, but Mackie support should be able to confirm for you. 2. Looks like they have future plans for that port but nothing of note yet.
SM7B sounda great! much easier listening than your regular talks.
Glad you like it.
What would you get if you buy more traditional digital mixers like Allen & Heath Qu-16 Chrome, Allen & Heath SQ5, Soundcraft Si Performer 1,Yamaha TF-1, Presonus StudioLive 32SC and Behringer X 32 Compact? Yamaha has released Digital Streaming console DM3.
You’d get a much smaller wallet! And a richer feature set. But generally no sound pads.
Do you have any way to test the preamps as to the noise level? I see lots of very positive reviews of the dlc, many of which are from people who got it for free from Mackie. I'd like to see an unbiased measurement of the preamps to compare them with other brands.
Yes, I have a dummy XLR connector with a 150ohm resistor across pins 2 & 3 to simulate the load of most dynamic microphones without adding the signal from a microphone. The DLZ's preamps produced less self noise than the RODECaster Pro II by a couple of dB (as a reference).
RC2 is king, period.
I have both and I nearly always opt for the DLZ. That’s the “period” for me.
Now I'm glad I didn't buy the RCP2. Thanks Curtis, great review as always!
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Someone wrote this as a feedback on Amazon... have you tested or experienced this?
When I read about the Mackie DLZ Creator I ordered it on the spot. I was very excited for all of the features and it’s possibilities. Everything worked great except one key feature, it would not record audio from my MacBook. We have a podcast studio and need to record audio from zoom, CZcams, and other internet sites. The audio would be distorted and high pitched. I called tech support but all they said was it was because of the sampling rates and that I needed to make sure they were the same as the Mackie. I have never had an issue with my Rode Caster 1 or 2. I may have gotten a bad unit but I had the return it because I have employees who need plug and play and are not tech savvy.
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Hi, quick question… at 9:50 you said that there was no line out for consumer level camera input… you then mentioned that middleware box… I was curious… why not have used 2 6.3mm JACK to a single 3.5MM? any particular reason why would the box be helpful or necessary? Many thanks and great video as always.
The box would keep the signal balanced until right before you connect to the camera so you can reduce risk of picking up interference.
Also, as professional sound engineer does the DLZ feel too “dumbed down” for you or are you happy with the workflow? Thanks again for the great review
Someone that’s used to one of the big, top-end digital consoles/boards, they might feel this is dumbed down as it doesn’t have busses and DCAs and such. But for it’s intended purpose, I find it quite intuitive and capable.
@@curtisjuddthanks again! Appreciate your insights
What sd card can I use for this device anyone has any answers?????
Now we need Mackie DLZ Creator Duo
I believe they already have a smaller streaming board, though I haven’t used it.
@@curtisjudd Yeahs, the Mcaster live and studio, but I want sth like this but a little smaller. Much like the Rodecaster Duo.
How would the SD MixPre II with the MIXASSIST plugin compare to the DLZ AUTOMIX? Obviously the MixPre is not optimized for Podcast use, but thought I'd ask...
I prefer the MixPre’s MixAssist but it is missing all the other processing - compressor, EQ, gate, de-esser.
Hi, can I have some information? As a streamer I need different things than a podcaster and broadcaster. I've been looking for a mixing console with a USB connection to a pc for years. I'm using RCP2 at the moment so the way I need it doesn't work. I need to assign a different sound to each fader from the PC via USB. Fader 1 microphone, fader 2 microphone, fader 3 sound firefox, fader 4 sound chrome, fader 5 sound game, fader 6 phone,fader 7 chat discord, fader 8 main mix. I haven't seen anywhere yet if it works. Thank you.
I don’t see a way to do that with this or the RCP2
@@curtisjudd Thank you for your answers. I thought that's what DLZ can't do either. Rhetorical question why someone doesn't make a professional streamer machine anymore after so many years of making goxlr. Personally, I've been waiting for this since 2018 😔
Mackie should have hit the market at the same price as Rodecaster Pro 2, or even $50 more. Would love to see the competition bring about lower prices. Tascam Mixcast 4, which I have & love, is going for $399, and so is the Zoom P8 at this moment.
Yes, I suppose you pay more if a bigger screen and automix is important for your work.
Looks good. I just wanted to know how the noise floor stacked up against Rodecaster Pro 2's pre amps?
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Seems really clean on both of them to my ear. Bigger question is how noisy are the mics.
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So Curtis, any idea what to do to have zero latency in my headphones to Mackie dlz???
Thanks in advance!
I don’t know of any sub $1000 podcast mixer/recorders with less latency than this. But, you can create a custom headphone mix where you pull down the level of your mic so it isn’t so distracting.
@@curtisjuddhow could I achieve that? Could you be more specific please? Thank you for all the support!
@@antonisstratigidis9791 Check for custom headphone mix in the user manual.
just how one can synch the canon c70 with dlz Mackie because both are line level can you do the same thing with Panasonic s5ii with the Panasonic DMW-XLR1 XLR Microphone Adapter on top in the hot shoe with mics going in the Panasonic dmw - xlr1?
Sync and send audio to the camera are two different things. The C70 can take line level in via its two XLR inputs. I’m not sure with the S5II.
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@@creativegreatsvisuals sync can be done in post.
Question about the output delay, does the delay effect the usb c audio and the trs outs on the back, or just the usb c audio? I want to be able to sync the audio for my stream with the delay on the usb c audio but not effect the trs output. Is it possible to delay one and not the other? Great video as always. I have learned so much from your videos.
I called Mackie tech support, the delay effects both the usb c audio and the trs outs on the back. I suggested they change that in the next firmware update. We will see what they do,
Thanks for the update!
Mackie has been in my inventory all the way back to the beginning. I love this product and by far think its the best available. However, navigating through waters i have never been before makes me need to blast them for the lack of a legit owners manual. Or a "how to guide" This needs to be their priority. get it done and available for new users. Great Review BTW.
There is a user manual on the Mackie site now.
@@curtisjudd This is the same one that shows very little for new users. However some great how to videos are starting to show up
@@alaskamilkman Oh, you mean you're new to audio? Yes, this is a pretty advanced product. May help to start in the easier modes.
That Automix don't seem to be "gain-sharing" when all mics are ON and on the same priority, all high for instance, it doesn't seem to lower other mics' level of non-speaking mic. Would be great to make more automix test.
Agreed.
Am I right on the fact that there are two stereo channels on the USB-C audio connection? A bit like RODECaster Pro II Main and RODECaster Pro II Chat?
There is only 1 USB to host connection, but it does support 4 channels of audio from the host device (computer). So it cannot connect to two separate computers at the same time like the RCP2.
@@curtisjudd alright, that’s doesn’t disturb me, as I only use one USB connection with my RCPII. Just wanted to make sure there could be 2 different stereo streams through that cable, and not only one.
Can I use the DLZ to control audio sources on my computer like a goxlr?
I’m not sure only because I’ve not used GoXLR.
@@curtisjudd I just mean when you have it plugged into a pc is there only one output the pc can use. So like if theres multiple I could have my spotify on one channel of the DLZ and my game or chat audio on another channel. Is something like that possible
@@JAYKtube It is multitrack capable, yes.
I’m dying to buy it, but my main reason is to use it as audio interface for an iPad or an iPhone, is that posible ??
Hmm, haven't tried that. I'd contact Mackie support to confirm whether that will work.
@@curtisjudd thank you really appreciate it
this looks more my speed over the rode caster. I'm not a sound engineer but I do like mixing music with pro tools. I think this is closer to what some of us would rather have over the competition.
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Just curious why that clip with the SM7B sounded so bad compared to the rest of this video?
Because the SM7B doesn’t fit my voice as well as the other mic I used.
What teleprompter are you using?
Ikan and I don’t see the model number on it.
Can you use this mixer for live a karaoke curtis connect 2 speaker and a sub?
It has a left and right output (no output for sub).
@@curtisjudd thanks curtis
My issue as a podcaster is the size and the cost. 800.00 is no joke for me. I do love the feature set though.
It is not for everyone.
Does the record button really flash when recording? To me that’s distracting and should mean recording paused.
Yes, it does.
What is the cat/ethernet port for in the back?
Nothing yet. TBD with a future firmware update.