I love how half of these are: "This card is amazing, back in the day it made your opponent go -12, special summoned itself, had entire decks built around it, was absolute tier 0, and had to be banned alogside other 4 cards in order to make the game playable again." "Anyways it is complete trash, nobody plays it and it will never see play again, F tier"
With how gate guardian works in the anime, he should definitely have these 3 effects, with the ability to, during any player's turn, activate one of them: -Change all your opponents monsters battle positions (flooding) -When a card that chooses a target on the field is activated, you can change the target to another card that is a legal target (wind blowing) -Destroy a card in the field (thunder shot)
I feel like "Rainbow Neos" should deserve a mention here. Having a gigantic body of 4500 ATK, in addition to spinning your opponent's entire GY, Monsters or Spell/Traps, this card could be a game changer on the field. Although the card could probably be C tier in this tier list. It is like "Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon" in terms of use, but less better in terms of power.
yeah...part of the ranking lies on "how easy it is to bring out" and/or "how splashable is this", you never see rainbow neos outside neos decks (which are different from hero decks), the only protection it has is from neos fusion in the GY, and its effect is only spell speed 1 so it is really bad going 1st which is where the modern meta is at, so realistically the only thing you have is a 4500 beatstick (number which can easily be overcome by accesscode or utopia the lightning for example) that can be protected exactly once and only from destruction, also you need to run a brick in the form of an "ultimate crystal" card, f tier for me
The even crazier thing about Zeus...if it has enough materials...like 4 or 6...it can dodge negation effects because it can activate again in the chain
Eldlich is really weird. It's both carried by the archetype, but it also is required to make the archetype good. Otherwise you get incredibly mediocre zombies with high defense and garbage attack.
Eldlich is more generic zombie support than a true archetype. I wish more people use it that way instead of floodgate decks that win duels but are boring for everyone involved.
@@seltzer666 yeah, but Zombie World is such a minor floodgate that only very specific strats and decks get locked out by it - otherwise you can still do most generic gameplay mechanics
@@Necroxion I'm personally a fan of eldlich decks that shove in good stuff like cyberse or synchro eldlich, and although branded eldlich isn't really the same (it does run skill drain) it's the only thing I got left
No one mentioned Chaos Ancient Gear Giant :( I'm sure Mr. Logs would've put it in F tier, but it's frequently a better Ultimate Falcon, so it belongs in C tier IMO.
@@hazio7574 which is still 2/3 of card effects in the game, and it floodgates monster effects in the combat step. Ultimate Falcon also has 1000 less attack and can't attack multiple times, not does it pierce. Falcon *can* be better but it frequently isn't.
I'm waiting for the day that Gate Guardian gets a retrain that's actually amazing. Feels like it could easily be reimagined as a contact fusion or Xyz.
Neat Thing about the Super Quant boss monster, it floats from being sent to the graveyard (meaning it works even when Kaiju'd) To give you 3 monsters on the board, that you can then use to go into Megaclops because they are all XYZ monsters. Also it would proc all of the Layers floating effects. Currently the deck I use to grind to Diamond 1. It also has a better version of the Colossus Hand Floodgate as it also stops drawing as well. Overall its a B tier card, Kaijus are a good enough answer to it and the deck isn't consistent enough to have it out turn 1/2 most games.
No only that, you can tribute it with Red Layer if it low on materials, make Megaclops with the floating monsters, then make Magnus again with the field spell. Love the deck!
I know it goes unnoticed a lot, but I still found it funny that he forgot DPE's attack reduction effect. That effect has been the lynchpin to screwing me over so many times when DPE pushes me to my last legs.
Fun way to pass the time: Name me a batch of boss monsters that are or were always underpowered, and reworks, retrains or supporting cards you would come up with to buff them. Five-Headed Dragon, Gate Guardian, Dragon Master Knight, The Egyptian God Cards, etc… Or cards you otherwise like that _could_ be boss monsters in their own right with a little work if they aren’t already.
The Wicked Avatar comes into mind. If it has an actual spell and trap protection instead of its 2 turns lockdown effect, it might have been a really great boss since it can beat over almost every monster (save for Chaos Dyson and some that negate monster effect during battle phase). Konami tried to rectify its nerfed effect from manga by releasing Divine Evolution, but it's just a win more card and not making it easier to summon Avatar.
@@kringe700 How about a support card for the wicked gods as a whole: Nuvia, scholar of The Wicked Gods DARK Fiend/Tuner/Effect Once per turn you can destroy this card: Add 1 Level 10 monster to your hand from your deck or GY. When your opponent by card effect adds or removes a card from their hand, deck, extra deck, field, or GY, monsters you control gain 200 ATK/DEF. When this card has gained 2400 ATK or DEF by its own effect (Quick Effect), you can tribute summon 1 “Wicked God” Monster from your hand, deck or GY using this card as sole tribute, and if you do that monster gains this cards ATK/DEF and effects. ATK/1600 DEF/1600
I did one for Maju Garzett and Archfiends: Archfiend Maju Oblation Fiend/DARK 3000/2000 Level 12 This card's Normal Summon is unaffected by card effects. You can Normal Summon this card without Tributing, but its ATK/DEF is halved. (Quick Effect): You can Special Summon this card from the hand by Tributing all monsters you control or all spells and traps you control. (Quick Effect): Tribute this card; Special Summon all monsters in defense position, or set all spells and traps, Tributed for this card's Summon, but negate their effects for the rest of the turn. This card's ATK is equal to the combined ATK, and its DEF is equal to the combined DEF, of all monsters Tributed for this card's Summon. Once while this card is face up on the field, negate the first effect that would affect it.
@@Necroxion I like it, but you need to clean up the card text a little: _Archfiend Maju Oblation_ (DARK) Level 12 Fiend/effect _This Cards Normal Summon is unaffected by card effects. You can normal summon this card without tributing, but it’s ATK/DEF are halved. (Quick effect) You can special summon this card from your (hand or GY) by tributing all monsters you control OR all spell and trap cards you control. This cards ATK and DEF is equal to the combined ATK and DEF each of all monsters tributed by this effect, and this card cannot be destroyed by opponents card effects per turn X the number of spell/trap cards tributed by this effect. Once while this card is face up on the field, you can negate the first effect that would affect it. ATK/ 3000 DEF/2000
Quasar is certainly hard to bring out, but it fills a very niche role in junk speeder decks - its an omni negate that uses 3 monsters, thereby clearing up space for more doppel warrior tokens. If those decks didn't take like 27+ summons, it would be nice.
3.5K atk beatstick omni negate free summon on either standby phase and it's "cost" to negate makes it go in to house dragon maid that's a 3K atk beatstick with a pop effect and a slightly weaker standby summon effect. Yeah that's bullshit it's definitely A tier or higher everything else is cap
btw...you can bring out ophion in raidraptors via arsenal falcon summoning fiend eagle instead of ultimate falcon (you get rid of the material using raider's wing), then you rank it up with launch (while still having access to the kali-yuga line), it decimates swordsoul, and despia (since they can't super poly it nor albaz it) and it cannot be kaiju'd or lava golem'd or sphere mode'd, it does nothing against link/xyz spam so it is less effective on MD's Bo1 format, but at that point you still have kali yuga, and if you are willing to play a brick, infestation pandemic protects it from lightning storm (because ophion's defense sucks) without having to use the other launch immediately (but then zeus can happen if you keep your stuff on defense so ultimate falcon is better there)
Really liked this tier list -- Galaxy, Armed Dragon and others were missing but hey! It's not big surprise that S tier are the banned cards, except for Zeus.
It pains me to see JD in F-tier but it's correct. It took me a long time to admit that in 8/10 games it's a brick that will never see the field and finally take it out of my Lightsworn Shaddoll deck
It seems like a good side option against slower decks or going 2nd and pair it with DRNM and hope they don't have a hand trap. Or...maybe Winged Dragon of Ra Sphere Mode would be easier?
I think if there was a way to guarantee more LS in the GY instead of by random, maybe it'd be good. It isn't searchable by Melody, but was very nice when Eclipse Wyvern was legal. The Judgment/Punishment Dragon support sadly is quite lacking. There needs to be a field Spell or some card that can add a LS from the deck to the hand, and if you have 4+ LS in your GY and/or Banished, add 1 level 8 Dragon from your deck to your hand. (Banish this card to add 1 LS from your GY/Banished to your hand).
6:05 Ok, how would I translate those effects from the anime to the game? Just a bit of brainstorming… Needs three specific materials: Contact fusion. XYZ summon that also allows them to be used as materials in place of level 11 monsters. _You can special summon this card from your hand, deck or graveyard by tributing (Insert three materials here) from your hand or field (min. 1 on the field) Has to be destroyed thrice before leaving the field, and negates effects directed at it: _This card cannot be destroyed by battle or card effect each thrice per turn_ _Once per turn, when your opponent would target this card for card effects, you can target another applicable card on the field for that effect instead._ Can flood the field with water: _Once per turn you can flip all cards on the field facedown. Cards that are not flipped facedown by this effect are destroyed._ Shocks opponent literally: _Your opponent receives damage equal to the ATK of monsters this card destroys by battle or effect._
I'd say that's a pretty good interpretation of the effects. If it's an XYz monster I'd say to make it so each time it would be destroyed, detach one material from it. If it's a Fusion monster, you have to banish one of it's materials to protect it from destruction.
@@akiraishin7141 It could probably work as a ritual monster too who’s ritual revolves around the three cards as a side option to the normal ritual summon requirements
you target another card, heh, reminds me of patrician of darkness pretty good interpretation, but shouldn't it also destroy? if ya want to, you could make it an Xyz monster and make it explode when it runs out of materials, and detatch a material when it would be destroyed
Maybe make it an XYZ which gains effects for each of the pieces attached to it, so if it loses a material when preventing it's destruction, it loses the associated effect (eg: While this card has Suijin as an XYZ material, it gains the following effect: One per turn you can flip all monsters on the field except this one face down. Cards that are not flipped face down by this effect are destroyed) I think that's the closest to getting an anime accurate version. The other two i suppose is that it attaches them as equips to itself or has the effects whilst they're in the graveyard and you can banish one to prevent destruction.
@@killerjakee5808 All those effects may be cumbersome to put on Gate Guardian itself. How about _This card can also use 1 each of 1 "Sanga of the Thunder", "Kazejin", and "Suijin" as XYZ materials, and if you do this card gains their effects only whilst they are attached to this card. When this card would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can detach 1 material; it is not destroyed. Once per turn you can banish facedown this card you control on the field without materials to special summon 1 1 "Sanga of the Thunder", "Kazejin", and "Suijin", that are banished or in the GY._ And then you’d have retains for "Sanga of the Thunder", "Kazejin", and "Suijin" that are based off what each component contributed to gate guardian in the anime, I.E; Suijin flood/flips and/or destroys the field, Sanga deflects effects, ect… On top of improved versions of their actual card game effects. _Sanga Of The Storm_ (LIGHT) Level 7 Thunder/Tuner/Effect _This card’s name is also “Sanga Of The Thunder” while in your hand, GY or on the field. You can special or tribute summon this card from your hand or GY by tributing 1 LIGHT Thunder monster you control on the field. WIND Spellcaster and AQUA Water monsters you own require one less tribute to tribute summon while this card is face-up on the field. When this card battles another monster, that monsters ATK/DEF becomes 0. When this card destroys a monster by battle your opponent takes damage equal to that monsters ATK._ ATK/2600 DEF/2200 And then the other two follow the same pattern as above, just swap out relevant keywords here and there and leave the last effect for what will be copied for the XYZ gate guardian.
I once tried to make a Shooting Quasar Dragon turbo deck in Legacy of the Duelist until I realized the only thing turbo about it was how fast I would shame scoop because I ran out of steam mid-combo. Trying to get a synchro turner and two other non-tuner synchros on the field that equal level 12 was so inconsistent. I guess that's techinically a good thing though because it would be a better Borreload Savage Dragon and that card sees play in any deck that can make use of it.
@@juultoo Junk Speeder was great for getting the turners I needed but I think the choke point for me was getting the remaining non-tuners on field. It honestly might have just been inexperience with the deck or just bad deck building because that was the first full synchro deck I tried.
Imagine an AAA-zeus which forces your opponent to banish all cards on their field facedown, which would get around protection and newer floating effects which actually do get triggered by zeus even though it is non-destruction removal.
Hello DuelLogs, from the Duel Logs. Could you do another engine explaination of either the Adventurer engine or the Despia engine, knowing what cards I would need to put them in my deck, as well as counters if I see them in the wild is really useful information.
Id love a tier list of the difference in viability between Master Duel and Duel Links. Basically the higher the jump in viability between MD and DL the higher the tier.
Gonna be honest, ranking the boss monsters to how powerful they are now as opposed to their peak is very boring At least, I think that was the logic? It's hard to tell with some of these because Colossus is like C tier lol. And Dragon Buster is F tier for sure
S Tier makes some kind of sense to me. ABC and Guru is somehow above Dragoon, DPE, Ultimateness, Mechaba, Winda, etc even though it's barely relevant again because of Therions. Guru control? I will say Colossus is OP for being splashable in Prank-Kids, but should probably come off the banlist and probably A class. It has a devasting effect, but is very similar to Dark Law, being useless going 2nd compared to something like Dragoon, which I don't know how it isn't up there with Zeus, but is still good enough to win games by itself and has protection.
@@genesisera8364 Eh, kinda. He's not as clear a win conditions as many people think. It's more like VW has multiple boss monsters for the occasion. Cause Final Sigma can almost win you games on its own. The same can be true of VFD, but his lack of protection, and limitation to one copy, means you need more than just him to really put up a fight.
I've played Winda. If your opponent has no negates it can be good, but I find Winda being destroyed pretty quickly more often than not. Most people know to get rid of it quickly.
winda only having 2200atk is its biggest downside. you can just run over it befor making your plays and there are many boss monsters that can hit the field with only a single summon.
Too few of a tier list to go instantly to F from C. I'd think: D: Bujin Yamato, Cyber Dragon, Dark Armed Dragon, Judgment Dragon, Quasar, Firewall, Dante, Tiaramisu, Ophion, Supernova E: Summoned Skull, King of the Skull Servants, Exterio, Geh, CED, Obelisk, God Slime, First Darklord, Great Magnus, Z-ARC, Megaclops, Arrival F: Vampire Lord, Airknight Parshath, Gate Guardian, BEUD, Necross
I can't really agree with all of these being boss monsters, although this certainly has to do with the term being incredibly vague. The best definition I can come up with for my personal view point is that a boss monster is a monster that has a largely central point in an archetype's/deck's game plan. This can mean that it generates a ton if advantage like bujin Yamato or forces the game to be played around its existence like Kashtira Arise-heart or Scareclaw Tri-heart. There are some exceptions to these rules, but that mostly comes down to cards like AA Zeus. It's not part if any specific archetype, but it still demands complete and total respect for it when it hits the board. Ultimately though, my reasoning will come down to a case by case basis where some things may or may not count based solely on whether it feels like it's a boss monster or not.
21:44 I’d retrain this card to something long the lines of… _Archfiend Summoned Skull Servant_ Level 6 Zombie/Tuner/Effect _The name of this card on your field or in your hand or GY is also treated as “Summoned Skull” and “Skull Servant”. This card gains 250 ATK/DEF for each zombie and fiend monster in the GY. Once per turn (quick effect) you can change the original type of this card in your hand, field or GY to Zombie or fiend. Once per turn, you can tribute a card you control on the field whose original ATK or DEF is 1500 or less; special summon as many monsters with the same name as the tributed monster as possible from your hand or GY, but (Excluding “Summoned Skull” or “Skull Servant” monsters) until your next turn their effects are negated and they cannot attack._ ATK/2500 DEF/1200
Pretty strange you would retrain Summoned Skull to being Skull Servant Support (doing so also links Red-Eyes and DM to Skull Servants...it seems pretty strange to introduce into another bricky deck). It's missing a summoning condition regardless...being another level 6 isn't helping either deck much. I guess you can go into Ultimaya Tzolkin since it is strangely a tuner. It's so random, that I can see Konami doing this.
@@Goblin_Hands There’s logic in it, I swear: It started off with some wordplay…. _Summoned_ *Skull,* *Skull* _Servant…_ Throw in the “Archfiend” keyword and make its name count as its inspiring cards and this one card gains a diverse amount of intersecting support… Which is important since it has a retuned “Inferno Reckless Summon” built in. So it could tribute itself to summon more itself, “Summoned Skull”s and skull servants from the hand, and practically the entire “wight” archetype from the GY. And to top it off it’d be a _high level tuner_ in multiple archetypes that really don’t have too many tuners in general, so it could be used in a generous amount of Synchro plays. And of course it counts as a “Skull Servant” in the GY, so that’s another 3000 ATK for “King of the skull servants”, from a card that could tribute itself to get it out of the GY in a pinch. It’s purposely a bit random and chaotic to tap into as much potential as I could think of. I _did_ just read a couple of typos though, so I’ll fix those up quick
I'm a little surprised Sheou is F tier, Omni negate and a free revival every standby phase? I'd say that's at least C tier, especially when it swaps to house, if you're in a good position with lots of dragon maid swaps you can get a lot of destruction for free
Sheou is great, but only if your opponent is stupid and doesn't Imperm/Widow Anchor her in Draw Phase. I really wish dragonmaids had a permanent source of targeting protection, Welcome's floating effect is garbage.
@@mateusrp1994 true, welcome's float sucks, the damage increase is alright though Tbf they have to have those kid of outs to do that kinda thing, not everyone's running sky striker, and if they have imperm they probably would have used it before Sheou
I'm not surprised that xyz monsters takes up more than half of the s tier... it's crazy how you could easily summon extra deck monsters with decent to nigh unbeatable effects with just generic low level monsters (lvl's 1-4)... and the fact that you could summon it on top of another xyz monster is scary...
I think Shooting Majestic is a better boss monster than Quasar personally. Easier to negate Quasar's setup and floating into Shooting Stardust isn't nearly as strong as it used to be, not to mention how easy it is to miss it's timing. SM's effect monster negate bypasses all protection, on top of it's insanely strong omni-negate banishing targets preventing potential graveyard effects.
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There needs to be a part two because I’m sorry Mr. Logs but I was expecting the arrival cybersecurity @ignister on here . One of the most annoying cards to out compared to its ease of summon in the deck not to mention rivalry prevents it from being kaiju and. Also please don’t misinterpret this I absolutely loved this video I just wanted to be that guy. I’m sorry and I love your content
Activate its card effect on your turn and your oppent can't activate card effects for the rest of that turn which allows you to set up a field and beat down your opponent
Yeah. Dark Laws lack of protection and low stats don't compare very well to DPE. DL can win the game if your opponent bricks, but it will have a tough time against competent decks. DPE is definitely the new HERO boss monster.
Logs: "Cyber Dragon Infinity is an excellent boss monster and is responsible for many banned cards."
Also Logs: "I'll put it in a C tier."
his intellect is far superior and incomprehensible to us mere mortals. we are just pawns in his game
@@coochiehunter5917 Moon Spider logic is truly too much for us mere humans
Maybe because very few decks can make it
There was a time it could have been at the top, key word being "was".
Keyword why here is : Cyber Dragon.
I love how half of these are: "This card is amazing, back in the day it made your opponent go -12, special summoned itself, had entire decks built around it, was absolute tier 0, and had to be banned alogside other 4 cards in order to make the game playable again."
"Anyways it is complete trash, nobody plays it and it will never see play again, F tier"
Basically we needed a D tier cause no way BLS Envoy is in the same tier as Gate Guardian.
First of all we need a Gate Guardian tier because nothing else on this list is bad enough to be on the same tier as it. Then we need a D tier
@@eugenideddisoh how the tables have turned
there should've been a D and E tier to make the list actually balanced
i stead of going from "okay" to "literally the worst thing ever"
was arise heart not released when he made this list?
@@theobserver8429 It wasn't.
Seeing Quasar next to Gate Guardian hurts my heart.
Good job on the editor to make sure the Duellogs never makes a mistake with what he says
thanks i really tried
Good on you for knowing that including Superdreadnought Rail Cannon Juggernaut Liebe would have put every other card out of the competition.
Rhongomyniad with 4+ materials says hi
@@dantesparda4610 still cant beat over 10k attack
Avramax says "hi there :)"
@@Mango-hx1ulcrystal goat synchro dragon says hi
BLS in C tier? Judgment Dragon in F tier? I feel personally attacked.
With how gate guardian works in the anime, he should definitely have these 3 effects, with the ability to, during any player's turn, activate one of them:
-Change all your opponents monsters battle positions (flooding)
-When a card that chooses a target on the field is activated, you can change the target to another card that is a legal target (wind blowing)
-Destroy a card in the field (thunder shot)
maybe when konami decides to give the brothers some love again, or run out of ideas for battle city cards
i think that would make the card so much better, like a million times better honestly. It wouldn't be meta or even rogue but still.
@@1TheVelociraptor watch them make legacy cards of them and actually make the gate guardian easier to bring out and better for it with those effects
The shock thing could also inflict half the monster's atk (if it was a monster) to your oponnent's lp
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I feel like "Rainbow Neos" should deserve a mention here. Having a gigantic body of 4500 ATK, in addition to spinning your opponent's entire GY, Monsters or Spell/Traps, this card could be a game changer on the field. Although the card could probably be C tier in this tier list. It is like "Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon" in terms of use, but less better in terms of power.
The problem is that Rainbow Neos is at your mom's house
yeah...part of the ranking lies on "how easy it is to bring out" and/or "how splashable is this", you never see rainbow neos outside neos decks (which are different from hero decks), the only protection it has is from neos fusion in the GY, and its effect is only spell speed 1 so it is really bad going 1st which is where the modern meta is at, so realistically the only thing you have is a 4500 beatstick (number which can easily be overcome by accesscode or utopia the lightning for example) that can be protected exactly once and only from destruction, also you need to run a brick in the form of an "ultimate crystal" card, f tier for me
@@ashikjaman1940what does that mean in this video's context?
@@CErra310 it means that the video's context is at your mom's house
The even crazier thing about Zeus...if it has enough materials...like 4 or 6...it can dodge negation effects because it can activate again in the chain
Not forbidden droplet or dark ruler no more, some of the most used negation cards
Eldlich is really weird. It's both carried by the archetype, but it also is required to make the archetype good. Otherwise you get incredibly mediocre zombies with high defense and garbage attack.
Eldlich is more generic zombie support than a true archetype. I wish more people use it that way instead of floodgate decks that win duels but are boring for everyone involved.
It’s carried by floodgate more than its archetype imo.
@@Ragnarok540 tfw zombie world is itself a floodgate
@@seltzer666 yeah, but Zombie World is such a minor floodgate that only very specific strats and decks get locked out by it - otherwise you can still do most generic gameplay mechanics
@@Necroxion I'm personally a fan of eldlich decks that shove in good stuff like cyberse or synchro eldlich, and although branded eldlich isn't really the same (it does run skill drain) it's the only thing I got left
Video summary:
Let me tell you how amazing this card is.
15 sec later: F TIER
The fact that whoever made this tier didn't add The Last Warrior from Another Planet as one of the options is borderline criminal.
Gate Guardian is below F tier which means it goes into S tier. It is so bad that it's somehow good.
Am I the only one that thinks Guru being above Dragoon is hilarious?
No one mentioned Chaos Ancient Gear Giant :(
I'm sure Mr. Logs would've put it in F tier, but it's frequently a better Ultimate Falcon, so it belongs in C tier IMO.
it only immunes to Spell/Trap
@@hazio7574 which is still 2/3 of card effects in the game, and it floodgates monster effects in the combat step. Ultimate Falcon also has 1000 less attack and can't attack multiple times, not does it pierce. Falcon *can* be better but it frequently isn't.
Knightmare unicorn : adios
@@Maruhodo well if you run skill drain...
I'm waiting for the day that Gate Guardian gets a retrain that's actually amazing. Feels like it could easily be reimagined as a contact fusion or Xyz.
:)
Well you got it lol
Neat Thing about the Super Quant boss monster, it floats from being sent to the graveyard (meaning it works even when Kaiju'd)
To give you 3 monsters on the board, that you can then use to go into Megaclops because they are all XYZ monsters. Also it would proc all of the Layers floating effects.
Currently the deck I use to grind to Diamond 1. It also has a better version of the Colossus Hand Floodgate as it also stops drawing as well.
Overall its a B tier card, Kaijus are a good enough answer to it and the deck isn't consistent enough to have it out turn 1/2 most games.
No only that, you can tribute it with Red Layer if it low on materials, make Megaclops with the floating monsters, then make Magnus again with the field spell. Love the deck!
Damn, that dude's mom house must be poppin' off
I know it goes unnoticed a lot, but I still found it funny that he forgot DPE's attack reduction effect. That effect has been the lynchpin to screwing me over so many times when DPE pushes me to my last legs.
That attack reduction is actually nuts when DPE is used in an actual hero deck. Go figure a card is better when used with it's intended archetype
TDL: "DPE is so good, it's like Drident on steroids"
Also TDL: *immediately puts it below Drident*
where's the ultimate wizard in terms of attack and defense ?
Dont mind me, just a qliphort user that smiles faintly because DuelLogs still acknowledge Towers as boss monster eventho link exists.
Fun way to pass the time: Name me a batch of boss monsters that are or were always underpowered, and reworks, retrains or supporting cards you would come up with to buff them. Five-Headed Dragon, Gate Guardian, Dragon Master Knight, The Egyptian God Cards, etc… Or cards you otherwise like that _could_ be boss monsters in their own right with a little work if they aren’t already.
The Wicked Avatar comes into mind. If it has an actual spell and trap protection instead of its 2 turns lockdown effect, it might have been a really great boss since it can beat over almost every monster (save for Chaos Dyson and some that negate monster effect during battle phase). Konami tried to rectify its nerfed effect from manga by releasing Divine Evolution, but it's just a win more card and not making it easier to summon Avatar.
@@kringe700 give the wickeds the Sacred beast treatment. It's the only way for them to be good and not just be a tie in to gods
@@kringe700
How about a support card for the wicked gods as a whole:
Nuvia, scholar of The Wicked Gods
DARK
Fiend/Tuner/Effect
Once per turn you can destroy this card: Add 1 Level 10 monster to your hand from your deck or GY. When your opponent by card effect adds or removes a card from their hand, deck, extra deck, field, or GY, monsters you control gain 200 ATK/DEF. When this card has gained 2400 ATK or DEF by its own effect (Quick Effect), you can tribute summon 1 “Wicked God” Monster from your hand, deck or GY using this card as sole tribute, and if you do that monster gains this cards ATK/DEF and effects.
ATK/1600 DEF/1600
I did one for Maju Garzett and Archfiends:
Archfiend Maju Oblation
Fiend/DARK
3000/2000
Level 12
This card's Normal Summon is unaffected by card effects. You can Normal Summon this card without Tributing, but its ATK/DEF is halved. (Quick Effect): You can Special Summon this card from the hand by Tributing all monsters you control or all spells and traps you control. (Quick Effect): Tribute this card; Special Summon all monsters in defense position, or set all spells and traps, Tributed for this card's Summon, but negate their effects for the rest of the turn. This card's ATK is equal to the combined ATK, and its DEF is equal to the combined DEF, of all monsters Tributed for this card's Summon. Once while this card is face up on the field, negate the first effect that would affect it.
@@Necroxion I like it, but you need to clean up the card text a little:
_Archfiend Maju Oblation_ (DARK)
Level 12
Fiend/effect
_This Cards Normal Summon is unaffected by card effects. You can normal summon this card without tributing, but it’s ATK/DEF are halved. (Quick effect) You can special summon this card from your (hand or GY) by tributing all monsters you control OR all spell and trap cards you control. This cards ATK and DEF is equal to the combined ATK and DEF each of all monsters tributed by this effect, and this card cannot be destroyed by opponents card effects per turn X the number of spell/trap cards tributed by this effect. Once while this card is face up on the field, you can negate the first effect that would affect it.
ATK/ 3000 DEF/2000
"Oh that one's pretty good. F tier"
Quasar is certainly hard to bring out, but it fills a very niche role in junk speeder decks - its an omni negate that uses 3 monsters, thereby clearing up space for more doppel warrior tokens. If those decks didn't take like 27+ summons, it would be nice.
Shooting Majestic is still the stronger option. Barron + Red Hot + Shooting Majestic and you're golden. Quasar is just an option if you can't pull SM.
Everytime I make Blazar or Quasar Dragon my opponent always opens with a Kaiju.
Imagine a 3500ATK Wyrm that's immune to every other car effect and has the effect "Each player can only control 1 Type of monster."
I disagree about Sheou being F tier,. She's a C tier at best and S tier in my heart.
3.5K atk beatstick omni negate free summon on either standby phase and it's "cost" to negate makes it go in to house dragon maid that's a 3K atk beatstick with a pop effect and a slightly weaker standby summon effect.
Yeah that's bullshit it's definitely A tier or higher everything else is cap
btw...you can bring out ophion in raidraptors via arsenal falcon summoning fiend eagle instead of ultimate falcon (you get rid of the material using raider's wing), then you rank it up with launch (while still having access to the kali-yuga line), it decimates swordsoul, and despia (since they can't super poly it nor albaz it) and it cannot be kaiju'd or lava golem'd or sphere mode'd, it does nothing against link/xyz spam so it is less effective on MD's Bo1 format, but at that point you still have kali yuga, and if you are willing to play a brick, infestation pandemic protects it from lightning storm (because ophion's defense sucks) without having to use the other launch immediately (but then zeus can happen if you keep your stuff on defense so ultimate falcon is better there)
"this card changed how we played: F tier"
"Lol beatstick go brrrr: C tier"
Really liked this tier list -- Galaxy, Armed Dragon and others were missing but hey! It's not big surprise that S tier are the banned cards, except for Zeus.
It pains me to see JD in F-tier but it's correct. It took me a long time to admit that in 8/10 games it's a brick that will never see the field and finally take it out of my Lightsworn Shaddoll deck
It seems like a good side option against slower decks or going 2nd and pair it with DRNM and hope they don't have a hand trap.
Or...maybe Winged Dragon of Ra Sphere Mode would be easier?
I think if there was a way to guarantee more LS in the GY instead of by random, maybe it'd be good. It isn't searchable by Melody, but was very nice when Eclipse Wyvern was legal. The Judgment/Punishment Dragon support sadly is quite lacking. There needs to be a field Spell or some card that can add a LS from the deck to the hand, and if you have 4+ LS in your GY and/or Banished, add 1 level 8 Dragon from your deck to your hand. (Banish this card to add 1 LS from your GY/Banished to your hand).
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Ok, how would I translate those effects from the anime to the game? Just a bit of brainstorming…
Needs three specific materials: Contact fusion. XYZ summon that also allows them to be used as materials in place of level 11 monsters. _You can special summon this card from your hand, deck or graveyard by tributing (Insert three materials here) from your hand or field (min. 1 on the field)
Has to be destroyed thrice before leaving the field, and negates effects directed at it: _This card cannot be destroyed by battle or card effect each thrice per turn_ _Once per turn, when your opponent would target this card for card effects, you can target another applicable card on the field for that effect instead._
Can flood the field with water: _Once per turn you can flip all cards on the field facedown. Cards that are not flipped facedown by this effect are destroyed._
Shocks opponent literally: _Your opponent receives damage equal to the ATK of monsters this card destroys by battle or effect._
I'd say that's a pretty good interpretation of the effects. If it's an XYz monster I'd say to make it so each time it would be destroyed, detach one material from it. If it's a Fusion monster, you have to banish one of it's materials to protect it from destruction.
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It could probably work as a ritual monster too who’s ritual revolves around the three cards as a side option to the normal ritual summon requirements
you target another card, heh, reminds me of patrician of darkness
pretty good interpretation, but shouldn't it also destroy?
if ya want to, you could make it an Xyz monster and make it explode when it runs out of materials, and detatch a material when it would be destroyed
Maybe make it an XYZ which gains effects for each of the pieces attached to it, so if it loses a material when preventing it's destruction, it loses the associated effect (eg: While this card has Suijin as an XYZ material, it gains the following effect: One per turn you can flip all monsters on the field except this one face down. Cards that are not flipped face down by this effect are destroyed) I think that's the closest to getting an anime accurate version. The other two i suppose is that it attaches them as equips to itself or has the effects whilst they're in the graveyard and you can banish one to prevent destruction.
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All those effects may be cumbersome to put on Gate Guardian itself. How about _This card can also use 1 each of 1 "Sanga of the Thunder", "Kazejin", and "Suijin" as XYZ materials, and if you do this card gains their effects only whilst they are attached to this card. When this card would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can detach 1 material; it is not destroyed. Once per turn you can banish facedown this card you control on the field without materials to special summon 1 1 "Sanga of the Thunder", "Kazejin", and "Suijin", that are banished or in the GY._
And then you’d have retains for "Sanga of the Thunder", "Kazejin", and "Suijin" that are based off what each component contributed to gate guardian in the anime, I.E; Suijin flood/flips and/or destroys the field, Sanga deflects effects, ect… On top of improved versions of their actual card game effects.
_Sanga Of The Storm_ (LIGHT)
Level 7
Thunder/Tuner/Effect
_This card’s name is also “Sanga Of The Thunder” while in your hand, GY or on the field. You can special or tribute summon this card from your hand or GY by tributing 1 LIGHT Thunder monster you control on the field. WIND Spellcaster and AQUA Water monsters you own require one less tribute to tribute summon while this card is face-up on the field. When this card battles another monster, that monsters ATK/DEF becomes 0. When this card destroys a monster by battle your opponent takes damage equal to that monsters ATK._
ATK/2600 DEF/2200
And then the other two follow the same pattern as above, just swap out relevant keywords here and there and leave the last effect for what will be copied for the XYZ gate guardian.
Vampire lord is one of my favorite cards ever, too bad that play style does more harm than good with all the graveyard effects now
It took me 30min to realize there was no D tier
It amazes me how bad is duel logs at pronouncing card names when that's his job, like what the hell was that Toadally Awesome pronunciation
Very based
Now make the same list, but tier list the boss monsters for the time they came out rather than current era yugioh
I once tried to make a Shooting Quasar Dragon turbo deck in Legacy of the Duelist until I realized the only thing turbo about it was how fast I would shame scoop because I ran out of steam mid-combo. Trying to get a synchro turner and two other non-tuner synchros on the field that equal level 12 was so inconsistent. I guess that's techinically a good thing though because it would be a better Borreload Savage Dragon and that card sees play in any deck that can make use of it.
Junk Speeder made going into Quasar way easier, although now there's Blazar which is arguably better.
Yeah, Junk Speeder basically lets you get whatever non-archetype or Synchron syncho you want and much more.
@@juultoo Junk Speeder was great for getting the turners I needed but I think the choke point for me was getting the remaining non-tuners on field. It honestly might have just been inexperience with the deck or just bad deck building because that was the first full synchro deck I tried.
Ah, back in our time we had mega busted card like level eater which made everything so much easier.
No ultimate wizard in terms of attack and defense and Brick-eyes Blue dragon...
I would argue that some of those are playmaker and not boss monsters, like guru
Unizombie is a boss monster
Imagine an AAA-zeus which forces your opponent to banish all cards on their field facedown, which would get around protection and newer floating effects which actually do get triggered by zeus even though it is non-destruction removal.
Hello DuelLogs, from the Duel Logs.
Could you do another engine explaination of either the Adventurer engine or the Despia engine, knowing what cards I would need to put them in my deck, as well as counters if I see them in the wild is really useful information.
Id love a tier list of the difference in viability between Master Duel and Duel Links.
Basically the higher the jump in viability between MD and DL the higher the tier.
Gonna be honest, ranking the boss monsters to how powerful they are now as opposed to their peak is very boring
At least, I think that was the logic? It's hard to tell with some of these because Colossus is like C tier lol. And Dragon Buster is F tier for sure
S Tier makes some kind of sense to me. ABC and Guru is somehow above Dragoon, DPE, Ultimateness, Mechaba, Winda, etc even though it's barely relevant again because of Therions. Guru control?
I will say Colossus is OP for being splashable in Prank-Kids, but should probably come off the banlist and probably A class. It has a devasting effect, but is very similar to Dark Law, being useless going 2nd compared to something like Dragoon, which I don't know how it isn't up there with Zeus, but is still good enough to win games by itself and has protection.
Can’t believe the DuelLogs didn’t mention shapesnatch, the most supported card in Yu-Gi-Oh!
I am starting to feel like the logs has a sheer dislike akin to extreme hate against superheavy's
as he should
Superheavies just don’t do enough to justify ditching spell/trap support
@@uuh4yj43 @Holy Punch Leaf 😢
Where's my girl Virtual World Kyubi Shenshen?
isn’t Virtual World’s boss monster just VFD
@@genesisera8364 Eh, kinda. He's not as clear a win conditions as many people think. It's more like VW has multiple boss monsters for the occasion. Cause Final Sigma can almost win you games on its own. The same can be true of VFD, but his lack of protection, and limitation to one copy, means you need more than just him to really put up a fight.
Man i want to play Shockmaster so much
Eldlich isn't even a boss monster, it's a combo piece
Can't believe he stuck Winda in C tier, i'm shidding and crying
I've played Winda. If your opponent has no negates it can be good, but I find Winda being destroyed pretty quickly more often than not. Most people know to get rid of it quickly.
winda only having 2200atk is its biggest downside.
you can just run over it befor making your plays and there are many boss monsters that can hit the field with only a single summon.
Too few of a tier list to go instantly to F from C. I'd think:
D: Bujin Yamato, Cyber Dragon, Dark Armed Dragon, Judgment Dragon, Quasar, Firewall, Dante, Tiaramisu, Ophion, Supernova
E: Summoned Skull, King of the Skull Servants, Exterio, Geh, CED, Obelisk, God Slime, First Darklord, Great Magnus, Z-ARC, Megaclops, Arrival
F: Vampire Lord, Airknight Parshath, Gate Guardian, BEUD, Necross
It's so unfortunate that chat wasn't visible in this clip...I really really wanted to see chat's reaction to every rating
We need a update to this,with every boss monster up until now
I think nowadays is better turbo out Susanoo from the extra deck than normal summon Yamato and pass.
No Redoer? Sadge
I can't really agree with all of these being boss monsters, although this certainly has to do with the term being incredibly vague.
The best definition I can come up with for my personal view point is that a boss monster is a monster that has a largely central point in an archetype's/deck's game plan. This can mean that it generates a ton if advantage like bujin Yamato or forces the game to be played around its existence like Kashtira Arise-heart or Scareclaw Tri-heart.
There are some exceptions to these rules, but that mostly comes down to cards like AA Zeus. It's not part if any specific archetype, but it still demands complete and total respect for it when it hits the board.
Ultimately though, my reasoning will come down to a case by case basis where some things may or may not count based solely on whether it feels like it's a boss monster or not.
Kuriboh becomes a boss monster when you use berserker claw on your five headed dragon you send to your Gy
Dang, didn't know my mom's house is the gathering hub for cool boss monsters
He only ranked Madolche Queen Tiaramisu low because Madolche Petingcessoeur is the real Boss Monster.
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I’d retrain this card to something long the lines of…
_Archfiend Summoned Skull Servant_
Level 6
Zombie/Tuner/Effect
_The name of this card on your field or in your hand or GY is also treated as “Summoned Skull” and “Skull Servant”. This card gains 250 ATK/DEF for each zombie and fiend monster in the GY. Once per turn (quick effect) you can change the original type of this card in your hand, field or GY to Zombie or fiend. Once per turn, you can tribute a card you control on the field whose original ATK or DEF is 1500 or less; special summon as many monsters with the same name as the tributed monster as possible from your hand or GY, but (Excluding “Summoned Skull” or “Skull Servant” monsters) until your next turn their effects are negated and they cannot attack._
ATK/2500 DEF/1200
Pretty strange you would retrain Summoned Skull to being Skull Servant Support (doing so also links Red-Eyes and DM to Skull Servants...it seems pretty strange to introduce into another bricky deck). It's missing a summoning condition regardless...being another level 6 isn't helping either deck much. I guess you can go into Ultimaya Tzolkin since it is strangely a tuner. It's so random, that I can see Konami doing this.
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There’s logic in it, I swear:
It started off with some wordplay…. _Summoned_ *Skull,* *Skull* _Servant…_ Throw in the “Archfiend” keyword and make its name count as its inspiring cards and this one card gains a diverse amount of intersecting support… Which is important since it has a retuned “Inferno Reckless Summon” built in. So it could tribute itself to summon more itself, “Summoned Skull”s and skull servants from the hand, and practically the entire “wight” archetype from the GY.
And to top it off it’d be a _high level tuner_ in multiple archetypes that really don’t have too many tuners in general, so it could be used in a generous amount of Synchro plays.
And of course it counts as a “Skull Servant” in the GY, so that’s another 3000 ATK for “King of the skull servants”, from a card that could tribute itself to get it out of the GY in a pinch.
It’s purposely a bit random and chaotic to tap into as much potential as I could think of. I _did_ just read a couple of typos though, so I’ll fix those up quick
Are there any other boss synchro monsters? I know synchros aren’t really meta so I wouldn’t be surprised, just curious though.
2:16 ok thats a bitch move duellogs
I'm a little surprised Sheou is F tier, Omni negate and a free revival every standby phase? I'd say that's at least C tier, especially when it swaps to house, if you're in a good position with lots of dragon maid swaps you can get a lot of destruction for free
Yeah these don't seem very well thought out
Sheou is great, but only if your opponent is stupid and doesn't Imperm/Widow Anchor her in Draw Phase. I really wish dragonmaids had a permanent source of targeting protection, Welcome's floating effect is garbage.
I earlier found out you can even BattlePhase Transform Chamber into Sheou when she was properly brought out and is now in your GY.
@@mateusrp1994 true, welcome's float sucks, the damage increase is alright though
Tbf they have to have those kid of outs to do that kinda thing, not everyone's running sky striker, and if they have imperm they probably would have used it before Sheou
@@NoraNoita I do that if Sheou gets Kaiju'ed. It rarely happens though.
I'm not surprised that xyz monsters takes up more than half of the s tier... it's crazy how you could easily summon extra deck monsters with decent to nigh unbeatable effects with just generic low level monsters (lvl's 1-4)... and the fact that you could summon it on top of another xyz monster is scary...
How can dante be F teir if you can mill BAs and cl1 cir target dante, cl2 dante target cir.
Master duel prooves max c is balanced cause you need to ban like 14 cards if this card gets banned
There are like 14 cards that need a ban anyway.
It still baffles me how anyone thought Shock Master was ok. There's nothing ok about it.
I think Shooting Majestic is a better boss monster than Quasar personally. Easier to negate Quasar's setup and floating into Shooting Stardust isn't nearly as strong as it used to be, not to mention how easy it is to miss it's timing. SM's effect monster negate bypasses all protection, on top of it's insanely strong omni-negate banishing targets preventing potential graveyard effects.
So Guru is on the list. But no Cyber end dragon or Doomking Balerdroch at the beginning?
I didn't know my mom was so into Yugioh!
where is Lovely Labrynth of the Silver Castle?
Duel Logs : at your mom house
me : nice
Tier lists are the power crept version of top 10s
my mother is having to deal with a lot rn
Accesscode Talker - A
VFD - S
Arrival Cyberse @Ignister - C
Toadally Awesome - S
Utopic Draco Future - A
Virtual World Kyubi ShenShen - C
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus - F
Light and Darkness Dragon - F
Underworld Goddess - A
BorrelSword Dragon - B
*Vader breathez heavy* psychic end punisher would like ta talk ta u sir... *Vader breathez heavy*
Full power Zoodiac must be something
Dark law ulti conductor ultimateness infinity and mechaba are so disrespectful
My Boy Tyranno is so good in my deck it feels like cheating
Accescode?
I still Hope Konami will give solid support to summon skull
Needs lunalight Leo Dancer, this is a tragedy!
There needs to be a part two because I’m sorry Mr. Logs but I was expecting the arrival cybersecurity @ignister on here . One of the most annoying cards to out compared to its ease of summon in the deck not to mention rivalry prevents it from being kaiju and. Also please don’t misinterpret this I absolutely loved this video I just wanted to be that guy. I’m sorry and I love your content
He ranks arrival at the end. It was F tier lol
You hurt my heart with ultimate falcon in c tier if you don’t get over 3500 atk you lose the duel
He's looking out for you. Access code out here wreaking havoc
@@jonathanwilson5831 that’s why I run a copy or two of dark honest or booster strix :)
Activate its card effect on your turn and your oppent can't activate card effects for the rest of that turn which allows you to set up a field and beat down your opponent
@@TheLunatrick yes very true but i like falcon to still have a material for end phase atk point lowerings
@@dairyjake you activate falcons effect at the beginning of your main phase 1 and it will lower their attack and prevent card effects
I still would rather they keep iconic cards banned than errata them personally. rip CED
Megaclops in F tier
*cries in construction equipment*
I tought crimson nova trinity the dark cubic lord would be A tier
Trinity is such an overkill card it's just funny. If only it wasn't so hard to bring out
Accesscode Talker is not a boss monster?
I wish Dragite was on this
I play gren maju because I like the big numbers
If magnus carlson was a yugioh card
I took personal offense when you said tiaramisu is f tier, she was a revolutionary boss monster who can non-target shuffle 2 cards 😩
What about Geomathmech Final Sigma?
I like the video…. But I have a issue, where is the arrival cyberse
If you remade Top 10 Best Hero Fusions would DPE be 1 now over Dark Law?
definitely
Yeah. Dark Laws lack of protection and low stats don't compare very well to DPE. DL can win the game if your opponent bricks, but it will have a tough time against competent decks. DPE is definitely the new HERO boss monster.
Great Magnus deserves C tier at least.
What about Invokes Elysium?
What do you mean Invoked Elysium doesn't exist?
where is my Steelswarm Caucasus then
bruh gate guardian in anime is so broken🤣
This tier list lacks the true power lying in bosses such as Mokey Mokey King or Perfectly Ultimate Great Moth, therefore it's validity is null.
should make a tier list of pre errataed cards
By these standards, a short list:
S none
A CED
B none
C none
F REDMD, Crush Card Virus and then Everything else.