Euron Sucks! | Book to Show Comparison
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- To put it shortly Euron is one of the most evil, terrifying, and mysterious men in the entire asoiaf book series. He spent years in exile sailing the oceans. In comparison, the show version of Euron is a total loser! If there is an example of a worse book to show character adaptation that Euron Greyjoy then I am not aware.
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In the show Euron doesn't need magic, he's the very definition of magic himself. Just name it..
Teleportation.
Build 1000 ships in no time.
Ninja fleet.
Auto aim & reload giant crossbow.
I wonder what cheat codes he would use later.
Cheater
Will M “Not enough wood m’lord!”
Auto aim 1 day forgets how to use them the next
@@Exalted- - Two things happen this ep..
1. Euron ran out of cash to buy auto-aim.
2. Dany had saved all her cash to buy auto-evade & infinite dragon fire for the last battle.
If it makes you feel any better, the actor is a fan of the books and wanted to play Euron as a dark lord. But he said that at the end of the day you have to act the part written for you. His Instagram is hilarious.
Whatcha numba?
No he isn't. he admitted when the show ended he'd never read them and didn't really care to either once he got the role.
@@basquat76 regardless of whose right I think we can all agree his portrayal was weird af
@@jaybirdjetwings7516 It's not a question of who's right. That's litterally what he himself said when the show ended.
@@basquat76 Source?
"Teleports behind you with a fleet" -Nothing personel kid
personnel*
@@somethingneeddoing021 piss off*
omea wa mu shinderu,
@@themeower666 NaNi?
@waldo it's a meme you dip. which is what the 'teleports behind you' thing is from in the first place.
Book Euron: Evil badass, vile villian.
Show Euron: what if Jack Sparrow was evil
Exactly 😂
At least Jack Sparrow has that mystical quality. This guy is just your inappropriate older cousin who did a bit of jail time for selling crushed up paracetamol
Jack Sparrow was charming and had a sort of sexiness. Show Euron is not... that.
emrys that’s insulting to jack sparrow
@@user-zy9yg2eu5t This is the funniest comment I've ever read.
Show Euron: Crazy pirate with a cool axe
Book Euron: The Anti-Christ
I always described the Show Euron as an Edgy Jack Sparrow
Show Euron: "I do cocaine! I do cocaine! I DO COOOOOOOOCAAAAAAIINNEEEEEE!"
Are you guys high? show Euron is a total Fart and nothing else.. Fart of a douchebag... pfff.
@@33rd_Dunadan Right? And where is Patchface? The most interesting character in the books, and a representation H.P Lovecraft's legacy. :D
@@tu1ke yeah, I haven't read the books, but after seeing this I just might understand why Cersei caved in on him, otherwise that's the ruin of my favourite character)
Euron in the show is basically portrayed as a young, cocky Theon who never grew up
And who still has a wang
@@MT-qm3rm He did say cocky 😂
Yeah he rather is and it a shame because I thought he was cool when he turned up on the bridge. I do think they also have made him like Cersei's Jon and antithesis of Jon. Like their personalities are complete opposites.
And never lost his pillar and stones
You mean the catoonish villain that started eith Geoffrey
What you were hoping from the show:
Creepy psycho Lovecraftian eyepatch Pirate that may or may not have Eldritch horrors
What you got from the show:
Pirate Bam Margera with plot armor and teleporting aimbot ships
😁
In the books hes the only one with valyrien armor
In the show hes 1 out of 20 people with plot armor.
Pirate Bam Margera😭😭
Yep, absolutely dumb as shit!
@@Secunda-xt2yx 💀💀💀
You need to give some credit to TV version of Euron.
Book Euron is badass, but can he create hundreds of ships in a few weeks? Can he teleport huge bolts and shoot dragons with them in an instant? Can he make whole fleet invisible so Dany cannot see them before its too late?
Hahaha
Right! Talk about a finger in the bum! Lol only his Jamie trolling made me laugh. But when they first showed him like on the bridge killing his brother and being like I am the oncoming storm I’m like oh damn potential...then it was all downhill lol ok yeah you’re gonna fuck the queen with that sabertooth wolverine origins beard lmao
The Comrade Commissar has come for inspection.
No but bad writing can
🤣🤣 True. True magic
CZcams captions keep calling him Urine, and I'm okay with that.
Urine Gayboy
haha omg
"you're on" Greyjoy
@@cainmosni6540 'Your Own Gradually'
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I guess the show Euron doesn't need any dark magics to take down a dragon.. just 3 ballista bolts out of no where
@Dum Dum Haha yeah man. Yeah...
@Dum Dum yeah that was ridiculous. I hope George steps in sometime soon. They're just killing off characters for shock value at this point(Rhaegal, Mormont, Missandei, ALLL of the Dothraki)
@@stirlingwalker9031 there are a lot more dothraki left, in essos
yeah and then the next 18 ballistas miss a dragon head on with them.. this season is TRASH
Out of no where? They were right there man... she was on a dragon that if smart you should be scouting high above the ocean...
Wow, I didn't know he was so badass in the books...He's literally just a random side character in the show...
lol precisely
@Atlas Rise victarion is dumber than the door hodor is holding.
He is so dark and a highly anticipated character in the books. He has barely made an entrance in the book but what you do know you want to read... or see but unfortunately that didnt happen.
He was easily the most intriguing character in the books and Victorian was pretty much conan on a boat.
And he barely even makes an appearance! Yet he makes your skin crawl and all the facts we know about him plus all the stuff we don't... Dude is frightening and of course, put to comical proportions in the show, as so many other characters and plots.
This is not Euron... this is Urine, Euron's long lost cousin that saw a chance in the TV show and just went with it haha
If it wasnt for his speech to Balon in his introduction (which is straight from book Euron's words to Damphair), I'd think they mistook Euron Greyjoy and Aurane Waters (and still missed the point with him in a big way, but not nearly as bad as with Euron). Aurane is also a pirate king (albeit not til he bails), and at least Aurane did suck up to and play the part of a lickspittle for Cersei, even if he was just playing her like a fiddle
@@BroadwayRonMexico yeah maybe Dumb & Dumber misread but they're too dumb to make that mistake
Urine Greyjoy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That actor can play the dude that blows the dragonbinder and dies.
🤣🤣🤣
The most infuriating part is that they told us that he will be worse than ramsey
Yea ok
Show Euron is no where near as worse than show ramsay, and book ramsay has done way worse than show Ramsay.
I think they've left many breadcrumbs that Show Euron really is Forsaken Euron...and I think GRRM broke down Euron's Alpha Status to D&D long before he publicly read the Forsaken chapter.
All he's done that's beyond what's par for the course for an Ironborn warrior at war is to kill his brother. If they really wanted to make him seem evil he shouldn't have killed Martells, that's only likely to make him seem like the good guy! Ramsey evinced more evil in one day that this Euron could in a year!
If you believed that your a dumbass NO ONE BEATS RAMSAY "I WIN"
After things Ramsay had done in the show, imagine someone being worse than him. What would he really have to do? Like, really, imagine worse things than what Ramsay did. At what point would it become straight up distasteful? Sexual abuse was already overused as hell in the series. We get it, you're not afraid to be controversial. Hours of screentime were sacrificed to show explicit physical and mental torture done on Theon, other hours either showing or discussing rape... I'd like to see more of an actual game of thrones which is why this version of Euron does just fine.
He's way more interesting than Ramsay, that's for sure, and the best parts of the show in my view have had to do with characters like the Spider, Littlefinger, Tywin, Olenna, characters which aim at obtaining their goals through complex, impressive means and play mind games on each other. Or captivating personalities such as the Hound or Jaime and their development.
Fuck the entire chase after the villain which is going to be more horrible, more sadistic, more edgy than anyone else ever. Enough time was wasted for the sake of cheap shock, nobody is going to flinch over it anymore because 1) it's fiction, 2) fandom became insensitive to it due to it's abundance in the show.
In they show they completely fail to demonstrate how big of a deal it is that Euron has sailed "all across the world." They make it seem like he was just taking a vacation in the tropics when really it kind of makes him the biggest bad-ass in the whole series.
They also make it sounds like he's kind of rambling and that it might not even be true.
@@Ateka9 He has not gone to Valyria. His reaction when Rodrik Harlaw questions his claim says it all.
@@crazytaxi123 But what about his Valyrian armour? I take that as pretty solid evidence he really has been to Valyria.
@@CharlesFreck He probably got the armor anywhere else in the world. Nobody has gone to Valyria and survived because the Doom has conquered it. Septan Barth describes the creatures that exist there now, and sailors say the sea near it is boiling. Bringing back Valyrian steel doesn't mean you've been to Valyria, it just means you found the steel somewhere. And, on top of that, forge masters in Westeros have found a way to remake the steel, so it's not out of question for other smiths around the world to discover how to create it.
My guess is, Euron traveled to the Shadowlands. He's seen crazy shit, just not the crazy shit that he wants everyone to believe he's seen.
crazytaxi123 he’s a fictional character mate. Calm down
poor pilou asbæk is a book fan, and he has admitted to being disappointed that he didn't get to portray the euron he knew, even though he was still thankful for the job.. i imagine it's quite bittersweet
So they actually commanded him to play this version of Euron while he wanted to take him in a more canonical direction? Damn that's shit. Show Euron is a terrible character, hated him almost immediately, felt like there was some intent to use him as comic relief. And that fight with Jaime? Looking into the camera and saying, "I'm the man who killed Jaime Lannister." Yuck, terrible, just terrible.
@@oldmanolson6081 yea You can see in the first scene he appears in the show euron talks about being the drownd god himself
Euron: I'm going to build a thousand ships
IdeasOfIceAndFire: how
Euron: /gamemode creative
Underrated
lmaoooooo
For all the talks of Euron lacking his eldritch qualities in the show, he definitely must have employed some kind of black magic, if he was able to contact Emperor Palpatine in a galaxy far far way and learn how to spontaneously create his own fleet of overpowered warships.
I love how the actor hated how show euron was. He was so hyped because he read the books and thought he'd be as epic then he finds out he's just... edgy Jack Sparrow lmao
Should have improvised and outright refuse the crappy dialogue if he really 'hated' it
@@darkseidistheboss5781 Pilou isn't a reknowned actor (at least outside of Denmark) and would've just been fired for another actor, along with probably not getting another job any time soon.
Darkseid is the boss no actor can do that. You don’t want to develop a reputation of being difficult to direct because you’ll never get work again. An actor’s jobs is to act out a script not write one. The only exception is improv but even that is at the directors discretion.
respect jack sparrow
That must have been soul crushing lol. I stopped watching way before the last season, I was shutting off my brain for the great visuals but seeing the Euron character being butchered was unbearable to watch
Dude, your narration of the dragon horn being blown during the kingsmoot coupled with that eerie background music was more intimidating than the show's actual representation of the Long Night.
Having just finished reading “A Feast For Crows”, I tried to think of how D&D could have at least done something with the Dragonbinder, even without changing the show’s storyline too much. This below was just a thought...
For instance, Euron Greyjoy could have one of his pirates blow the horn to intimidate all of Asha/Yara and Theon’s supporters, before getting cooked alive from the inside. I do not know if these two kinds of sound-effects could blend together well. But the description of the horn’s otherworldly sound in the book made me think of the Haradrim’s horn in “The Return of the King“ and the assimilated Bennings’ howl in John Carpenter’s “The Thing“. After showing it off, Euron can further use the horn as a tool to persuade the Ironborn to meet with Daenerys, since it could allegedly summon and bend dragons to one’s will.
In the equivalent to Season 8 Episode 4, Daenerys and her fleet could get into an actual skirmish with Euron’s fleet, rather than “kind of” forgetting about them. Euron orders his men to test out the Dragonbinder, once Daenerys is at her most vulnerable point. Both Drogon and Rhaegal seem to be disoriented and nearly hypnotized by the horn, allowing Euron to try skin-changing into Rhaegal. Euron appears to briefly gain control over Rhaegal, while Dany can do nothing about it, until the henchman blowing the horn is finally burnt from within. In that moment, Rhaegal is able to break free from Euron’s “warging” and fight back against the Iron Fleet, but he is now surrounded by ships and Euron gives the order to loose the scorpions.
After Rhaegal gets skewered through the eye with one of the ballista bolts, though, he crashes onto the ship carrying the Dragonbinder. The horn gets thrown into the sea and washes ashore later. Afterwards, Daenerys finds the Dragonbinder and examines it, wondering if “the unburnt” can wield the true power residing in the horn. Daenerys discovers that she can blow the horn and survive, unlike Euron’s henchmen.
During the penultimate episode, one of Daenerys’ new tactics is to blow the horn herself, while flying over King’s Landing and burning Cersei’s forces. With the horn’s sound blasting through the battlefield, even the Lannister soldiers manning the giant scorpions start to lose their composure, explaining why they suddenly have a hard time shooting Drogon. Maybe Drogon himself could also be visibly emboldened, when a “true dragon” like Daenerys wields it in battle. Or this could simply be saved until the final episode, when she is delivering her speech and could blow it in front of her followers, to demonstrate her perceived divinity.
Euron Expectations: Hannibal Lector meets Tyler Durden.
Euron Reality: Bam Margera meets Robin Hood Men in Tights.
Now that u mention it the Bam Margera comparison is spot on
tyler durden is already an annoying fuckboy so I'd say your expectations were half right
I would have said for Euron Expectations: Blackbeard meets Hannibal Lector meets Aleister Crowley.
Incidentally, Mads Mikkelsen would have been perfect for the role.
Lmaoo
Bro fuckn perfect.
House Greyjoy is the most interesting thing in the books right now. Theon and Asha up in the North with Stannis against Ramsey, Victarion on his own little adventure with his overpowered gauntlet, and Euron with his dragonbinder waiting for the right moment. The show really did mess up.
The actor is doing great with what he’s got, but yeah, this ain’t our Euron.
That's what I thought about GOT, the writing for the show is pretty naff but the actors do well with what they have
@@oli1764 Is it really that the writing is so bad, or that they're trying to cram so much material into a limited number of seasons? I think having so many kids playing crucial roles really gave HBO a deadline as far as how long they could milk this cow.
@@trza49er no, I definitely think the writing is atrocious and has been for several seasons.
nobodys blaming him. Its the awful writing.
The actor could not play Euron never ever. Instead he could have been a good Aeron Greyjoy. There is better actors who could play Euron, no dissrespect on actor but he doesn't fit for Euron.
Book euron: sinister,mysterious and a man with a vision
Show euron: mah c**k!
with aimbot
Show Euron: LOOK AT MAH BALLS
No one:
Show Euron:"A FINGER IN DA BUM!?"
Basically feels like the show is killing all magical influences in the story
Less cgi needed :P
mainstream plebs don't like too much fantasy in their fantasy. A little bit, like marvel superhero movies, but not enough to make them think.
@Vok250 GRRM doesn’t actually put too much fantasy into his fantasy either though (in comparison to all the other fantasy genres out there filled with elves, goblins, wizards, and such). What makes Euron so special in their reality is that he is a rare exception!
Euron is supposed to be someone that is _way_ out of their typical world; someone with ambitions far beyond the mundane politics and wars of their world. It’s why even a hardened viking-warrior such as his brother, Victarion, is so extremely weary of Euron. Despite Victarion being described as physically bigger and stronger than his brothers, he fears to face Euron alone and is haunted by the mere thought of Euron everywhere he goes. Victarion would rather storm through the battlements of a castle or raid a fleet of enemy ships, but he dares not to openly challenge Euron (yet). It’s because he knows that Euron is into some seriously dark shit of the occult and is a highly unnatural individual in their lives as viking sea-raiders.
LOTR says otherwise.
@@MrJH101 i disagree. There is plenty of magic in the GoT books. But it's in Essos, and the story focus on Westeros.
The magical elements and people in the story? The red priestesses, the faceless men, dragons, etc, sail from Essos.
Idk about the white walkers though.
Euron's death was legit the most insulting thing I've ever seen.
I agree. And to think that he just walked out of a Calvin Klein runway show.
NK also...
Guess we'll wait for Game of Thrones: Brotherhood
Tekknight anime onlys understand that, and we still wait for berserk 😭😭
You got it right my man
If only.
Yes. Only anime fans understand it
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It sucks.
I like the actor but the writing makes him an awkward scuffed captain Jack Sparrow.
I am surprised the actor could even make something that good out of what they are giving him.
I think similar. Really like Pilou Asbaek but the character is kinda goofy in the series. But there is a huge "But". Euron was introduced at the right time when many characters took a turn to the worse when it comes to their behavior. The series needed an asshole, a more simple character who simply is a dick. In the new season, so far, he don't had much screentime and I think he will be one of the lesser boss fights during the last episodes.
Yeah he can get this look on his face that's like the joker. He's crazy, he knows it, and he loves it.
I hate the character. he has no depth. and the actor makes him come across as an annoying bastard.
@@Charlie_Nice If you think that the actors are the problem I doubt that we are watching the same show. It's hard to deal with shit writing.
S you must have 20 iq
Netflix should make an anime( castlevania art-style maybe ) which follows book faithfully as there will be no issue of CGI budget and actor pay.
Yeah
You know how long that would be? One season would be as long as the whole show.
tanmay jain immediately
Animation is still expensive y’know LOL
@@redblueproductions9739 wouldnt mind it
Why did they make him kill the dragon with that stupid physics-defying Scorpian when book version Euron has a horn that literally DRAWS DRAGONS TO HIM. Why?! FFS, D&D can't write a good show, even when the show's story is already written for them. How does that happen.
Penelope because in the show they replaced the horns. In the show the NK takes a dead dragon and destroy the Wall with his fire. In the books it’s clear that Euron will take one of the dragon with the horn while the other horn will be used to destroy the Wall and WW won’t have dragons on their side.
And in doing so spoiled that the dragon horn will kill Rhaegal.
Rheagel and Ghost needed to go so they save money on CGI.
a WASTED opportunity. their kingsmoot scene made me rage.
asari shepard Yep he went from being this magic menacing guy to “arr matey ima feck the queen with mah giant dong”
I know its the tiniest detail, but how hard is it to wear an eyepatch?
I know right?
I assume it has to do with Beric Dondarrion still being on the show. Can't be confusing the casual audience with two prominent characters with eye patches.
@Carnivorus Hahahahhaha
@@ethanjory3130 After all the casual audience can't tell the difference between Asha Greyjoy and Osha the Wildling. Or Cat Of The Canals and Catelyn Stark
@@ZakJordan98 The casual audience are pathetically stupid, but the show caters to them. I'll stick with the books until a faithful adaptation comes out some day - maybe an anime.
The TV show has always been terrible at portraying the passing of time.
In the first episode King Robert said it took a month to ride from KL to Winterfell, yet Littlefinger could journey to anywhere in Westeros in an afternoon.
Dany flew the thousands of miles from Dragonstone to the LOAW in what felt like a few hours.
So Euron building a thousand ships in seemingly no time at all fits this problem.
Remember, when in season one Rob had to give away his sister's and his own hand in marriage, just to cross a river? Ah, good times...
Wolfsgeist I know it's silly. They could've just marched down the Green Fork, built a thousand ships and sailed around Westeros to attack the Lannisters. First seasons writing was so uncreative.
Judah Earl but with a plane you might travel that fast. That's what D&D were thinking.
Judah Earl well put. I do not have an issue with things happening in far distant places in the same episode, just show me that time has passed.
Once you discover new location, you can fast travel. It's a GAME after all.
yeah b-b-but, b-b-but we did that to subvert your expectations!
With a sense of pride and accomplishment!
go home rian, you are drunk
The last Jedi defense
sub·vert
sabotage, ruin, upset, destroy, annihilate, demolish, wreck, damage;
corrupt, pervert, warp, deprave, defile, debase, distort, contaminate, poison, embitter;
*Cough Last Jedi cough*
**Looks into the camera**
*"I killed Jamie Lanister"*
And then he didn't even kill him
@@andrewlagno9482 well he did the wounds slowed him down he probaly would have been in and out without those wounds
sirjame but Jamie still ran into a dead end. Not being stabbed would have done nothing to prevent that.
@@orangeapples the dead end might not have been a dead end if he was at full speed probably I'd imagine going up all those stairs with heavy wounds would take some time compared to going up there without them
Best line in the entire show. Mostly because he was wrong.
Show Euron: Goofy, ambitious pervert; Book Euron: Insane Demigod adventurer, hell bent on restoring the Iron Born to their lost pride and the old ways.
He's not even insane in books he comes off as insane in the show though.
@@lorkhan8565 the books are that unpredictable that the most bloodthirsty character could actually be the prophesied savior of the world.
if they followed the books... Mads Mikkelsen would of been a good choice.
He's from Denmark like the current actor
Euron in the books has dark hair dark beard and pale skin. Also he wears patch on one eye. And his lips are pale blue due to he drinks some drink called shade of the evening. In the show Euron is dissapointment.
Come on guys, Mads is great but he's not the only bad-ass, dark vibe looking guy.
I mention Mads for a few reasons.
One, of course is that he is a phenomenal actor, he has the ability to be ruthless and charming and make it believable.
Two, he looks the part. He has darker hair. He has a good voice and also his age is way more fitting.
Euron in the show looks like a younger / same age as Theon when he supposed to be only a little younger then Balon. Mads looks also bad ass with a eyepatch, check out Polar on netflix. he plays an assassin. Cool flick.
Mads would be superior over Pilou. Of course there are many great actors out there that would fit just as well. I just think Mikkelsen would of done that part justice.
@@JJKnapich I understand. I'm just saying so would alot of other actors. I don't wish anything mad for Mikelsen but it's bad to shove him everywhere where it's fitting. He would lost his charm. For the last like 1 year I'm seeing him "recommended" instead of every poorly written/acted role of a character that his personality would fit.
You're doing him a great justice writing about him like that, maybe you should write him a fan mail or something. I'm sure he'd appreciate if he'd get to it ;)
Seems like you are not Euron, but Euroff.
N?
@Fabian Kirchgessner+5 points for creative joke.
Gotta love TV Euron’s actor though. The man is trying his best, and he’s just as disappointed as anyone that he doesn’t get book Euron’s cool mystical powers.
THIS
Dude is great, I like what he does with those mad eyes, and how you can almost see the aura of arrogance and megalomania around him
His Instagram is hilarious. He throws shade at the show.
He doesn't even have an eyepatch, rant sir rant for us all.
Hey man, cut the show a break. Eye patches cost upwards of $6; there's only so much you can fit into a show budget.
They probably didn’t do it because Beric Dondarrion has an eye patch on the show and they didn’t want to confuse the viewers.
Why didn't they make him wear a violet contact lens and put some eyeshade under those eyes and some blue lipstick voila better than that hobo beard and pirate patch.
*ser
@@hindsightpov4218 because D&D think the viewers are as dumb as them.
For my own sanity I decide to treat the show like a fanfic, total seperate entety form the books
Me too. I almost wish the first seasons weren't as great as they were, because it became such fucking disappointment starting from season 5.
i just stoped watching it in general, no point in getting hyped up for something thats just gonna be disapointing, especialy since they basicaly screamed that they went from character driven to plot driven story for the last season wich is so far off from grrms style it's insulting
That's a good approach
No one cares about what you do to cope with fantasy problems.
"Me too. I almost wish the first seasons weren't as great as they were, because it became such fucking disappointment starting from season 5."
Parts of s5 aren't too bad, but this is where they began to run ahead of the books. The show runners had the choice of forging ahead without any GRRM source material, or waiting for him to finish enough of his story that the two could keep pace. If they'd taken the latter option, we'd have probably ended up with 45 year old actor playing a 15 year old Bran or some such. Which is to say, GRRM bears much of the blame for how the show went downhill.
"He just looks like some guy."
Just like new Daario. The new actor does a decent job, but the old Daario had an air of mystery to him, he seemed to have a unique perspective on life. New Daario is just another soldier boy following Dany around.
Do you know what he looks like in the books
@@soy.sauce.latte. yeah he has blue hair and beard.
I didn't like the first Daario. He looked like he tried out for a role in Battlestar Galactica but got turned down. Just my opinion. He may well have been closer to the book version. I don't know.
Book Euron is practically end boss material on the same level as the Night King and the White Walkers. If the show was planned out for 12 or so seasons rather than a paltry 8 we might have been able to see this more interesting characterisation instead.
Same level as white walkers is a bit of an exaggeration but he is a scary powerful character in the books
@@petesthename1588 He might be if the implications about lovecraftian eldritch horrors in the books is expanded upon.
i would like to agree mrjmax
but ... we are talking dumb and dumber. so they would fuck it all up even more.
This show could of done a supernatural and run 20 seasons.
he dead
They clearly glued Euron and Victerion together into a single role for the show and somehow made him absolutely nothing like either of them beyond Euron's name and Victerion's axe.
You know what, this is what they've been doing for so long. They even glued Stannis and Jon, made Stannis redundant and just a vicious man who can even kill his own blood. Which is the very thing Stannis is not.
They gave most of the stuff he did at the wall to Jon.
And excluded things Jon did from the story
Let's not even call him "Show-Euron." We should just call him Urine Greyjoy, because he pisses on the Greyjoy plot with everything he does.
And they gave him Victarions stupidity
I think even more that Jon is merged with Young Griff (Aegon Targaryen IV). Book Jon is most likely the son of Ned and Ashara Dayne. Ned returns the sword Dawn to Dorne, but returns to Winterfell with a child. Ned was known to be smitten with her at the tourney at Harrenhall (before marrying Catelyn). Same tourney where Rheagar declares Ned’s sister the queen of love&beauty, and you know the rest. My two cents.
@@gregbrown3082 you can be pretty sure that in the books jon is also the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. The show wouldn't change such a huge plot point, also to get the show the writers had to guess right about his parents and they did, so you can be really sure abour Jons parents. Its more likely book aegon is merged with Cersei in the show.
The show Greyjoys are like the pikey neighbours no one wants. The book Greyjoys are the God's of the vikings.
Cthulhu-worshipping Vikings at that.
@@akechijubeimitsuhide Valhalla Mogor lis..
Andy Copland pikey 😂😂
'Aye fockin ate pikeys'
@enosis where are we on those sausages Charlie
The whole show is a bad joke after you read the books I'm afraid.
First 4 seasons were cool though (most of it)
yeah after the season 5 I would say. As much as I'm pissed at how what the show is now, I still think season 1-4 were great
And this Euron looks like he'd be better off starring in Walking Dead or something.
Yeah but if only the book series was complete 🥺
@@naylik2562 fuck you
Books: Albert Wesker of the sea
Show: Horny jack sparrow after an heroin addiction
I never liked the Euron TV character. But he will have my eternal thanks for killing off the Sand Snakes
Haha Ye. Eurons actor says his character is the only one with a happy end in season 8 🤢 Fuck what , get fucked
...who were the way they were because of the same TV writers...
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman , agreed. It's like the tv writers just wanted to push down our throats how edgy Euron, the sand Snakes and that side-quest-for-Jon deserters were. You know, youngsers like edgy.
@@jdawg86 maybe he's referring to the 'Happy Ending' he's getting from Cersei
@@danielgomes2576 Wat the feck... so let me get this straight. Guy who does dark magic and dresses like Chris fucking Angel and has a horn that kills people is not edgy? But a cocky and more down to earth character with some actual flaws is... edgy? The fuck are you talking about lol get outa here with that shit and go back to your twilight.
The whole Ironborn/euron and Dorne plots are horrible in the show
I didn't really think much of their portrayal on The Show. Until I read The Books. Yeah.. They fucked up BIG TIME. That Part in The Book where Doran Martell said, "I was The Grass That Hid The Snake." I was like "OOHHHH SHIT! That's a good line." The Show killed any hopes of That Happening. **sigh**
TV Euron is like a Power Rangers villain.
"FiNgeR In tHE bUM! Gyahahahaha!"
This convinces me I need to get and read the books. Euron sounds to me like he'd terrify Ramsey Bolton.
Honestly the books aren't that great. The ideas are great but GRRM is just an OK writer. When I read the books I thought they were written like exactly how you'd expect a super nerd to write a fantasy novel.
Dont listen to that guy. The books are pretty well written.
yeah don't listen to that guy, I honestly don't even like reading that much but the books are really good
Movies with Matticus you’re tripping the books are amazing
@@AD-fi6em You all need to read more books
My guess is that D&D didn't want to make an extra season fleshing out the greyjoys, or even Dorne for that matter. By season 6 they just wanted to be done with it, and move on to other stuff. They just dont seem interested in it anymore. Then there's also the actor too which was already mentioned below.
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To be fair, I didn't find the Dorne and Greyjoy plot that captivating in the books either. Too many new characters when I just wanted to know what happened to the ones I cared for. Didn't really help that most of the interesting characters weren't in a whole book.
a achmed I hear that from book readers as well. But it's hard to Guage what's the majority opinion. Some didn't like the book stories either, but the ones who did appears to be more vocal.
I wish they'd just given the show to someone actually willing to finish it.
My problem with that is they say this stuff like this where they don't have the time. Then there are scenes like (this one just stands out the most but there are others) with Tyrion, Missandei and Grey Worm actually talking about how they have nothing to talk about. Don't add fluff scenes that bring nothing to the show and characters and then claim there is not enough time to develop the characters.
The actor is absolutely great though. Sadly he is confined by the script.
yeah I love him
Agreed he could’ve done it justice
He's so fucking Dick Van Dyke though lol, it's cringey
"Cor ber-limey g'uvnor kerween suursey, up the apples and stairs avabanana"
illiterate thug to be fair, he’s Danish and he’s acting in his second language. Not bad.
In the feminist anti white circus called the Media, male characters cannot be strong intelligent and powerful. It's against the rules.
Even the show's supposed Hero "Jon", who doesn't really do anything, has a massive inferiority complex of a hard on the whole time. Bc if you're powerful and good, you better have an inferiority complex. And to be a good boy he shouldn't try to claim his actual right to the throne. Bc as a male, you're only noble if you don't care about such things. Meanwhile the megalomaniac wannabe queen can spend 8 seasons obsessing over it and she's worshiped like a goddess. Hollywood is controlled propaganda BS!
Dany kinda forgot about the Iron fleet and Eurons forces they certainly haven’t forgotten about her
Victarion and Euron are two of the most interesting things to happen in the books. I wonder if Victarion will ever find Dany after what happened to her.
I have never agreed with anybody more than I agree with you about the absolute dumpster fire Dorne and Euron became in the show.
@Niranjan Rajesh Meh. They definitely could have done a lot better with Arya, especially since they have a great actress playing her. But I personally don't think the failure of Arya is on the same scale as Euron and Dorne.
@Niranjan Rajesh I wholeheartedly disagree that Dorne and Euron are not pivotal or important plot points.
You can't forget what They've done to the one true king making him look like a religious nut and barking "DEH GOLDEN COMPANY???"
@@ridiculousedtollett6120 although personally I do think they've done alright for the most part by Arya and Bran, but Bran is barely even in the books anymore.
@Niranjan Rajesh shaun bean too? He was one of the best, brah.
The most terrifying thing about him is his ship, Silence.
It's simply impossible to run a large ship if the crew can't communicate, and this raises many questions about Euron's methods to actually be able to captain this ship...
Hugo Fernandes magic my man, or it’s the fact that they have all been raised sailing ships and don’t need to scream shit at each other to understand what’s up. I mean everyone on that bot has the capacity to be anything from a deckhand to a captain. It’s also not like they live in an era with particularly complex massive ships.
they can shout and do hand signals ahaha
LegionaryWithAGladius low shouts for left, louder for right, do a dance to raise sails.. I’d be a killer silence captain, plus I like blue Gatorade 👍🏻😂
It is not a well known fact that Euron can read minds. In one of the books dying Lord Tully is saying that he feels as if there were crabs in his stomach. Later at some point Euron describes to Victarion this very specific feeling and says he can read them somehow
@@evanmcc99 One point, the crowsnest. A person sitts in the crowsnest and gives verbal commands about hazards in fornt and to the sides of the ship to the person steering the ship. without a person in the crowsnest "that can speak" I would guarante that the ship would hit a reef or other object close to the water surface and sink.
I will say one thing for Show Euron.
He cleaned up the Dorne plot real quick, and finally put it out of its misery.
3:25 hmm... should've gotten Mads Mikkelsen for Euron
I've just resorted to calling him Ted. Makes more sense that way. Everyone has an uncle Ted. Someone who is an utter and complete disappointment.
I don’t have an uncle named Ted. Therefore, you are wrong.
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 well...shit
@Stew Thomas i dunno why that cracked me up thnx for the laugh.
This needs more likes ! XD
Euron on the show feels like a pissed off version of what the Damphair used to be pre drowning.
In the show Euron comes right out and admits that he killed Balon to everyone at the Kingsmoot. How was this okay with them? This certainly did not happen in the book either, and yeah the Kingsmoot/Queensmoot was a million times better in the book.
wiley schmitt Because the writers have shown time and time again that they don't consider the sociological ramifications of events. They don't consider that this is supposed to be a living, breathing society and characters can't just go around killing whoever willy knilly.
@@YouCanCallMeReTro honestly I just figured it was because in the show the Ironborn are incredibly dumb, and also bloodthirsty, and I don't think they liked Balon after kneeling to Robert etc
iCresp your right this guy doesn’t understand psychological ramifications outside of the modern sheltered prick. The iron born sure some would have caused a fuss but very few would have cared.
Actually Pilou Asbæk who played Euron is a very talented and very respected actor here in Denmark. He has been starring in such great shows such as Borgen, To Verdener and now even in Game of Thrones. He is also a very awesome guy who responded to me on instagram when I DM'd him telling him how big and awesome he is. He even offered money and a day with a guy who'd been bullied here in Denmark that was just doing his job. Euron comes off as a freaking prick in GoT and that means that Pilou Asbæk (Euron) played his part perfectly. Gotta respect how far he has come. I found it a bit funny they choose one with an obvious danish accent, but gotta admit I loved seeing him there even though I freaking hated him in the show but that's just because I hated Eurons personality.
I wish George would finish the books, so I can read them.
The house of the undying prophecies is still the biggest book to show loss
Seen the Forsaken chapter? I think they've probably cut a chunk of the magic and mystery twice as big as the undying out.
David Wilson touché
They completely butched the HOU on the show, I will never forgive D&D for this.
to be fair, asoiaf contains a lot of dream sequences and those are hard to pull off without spoiling the entire thing,, since in his books ggrm can be as vague as he likes with the descriptions, but cutting it out entirely was just a stupid decision. in my opinion they should have the masked lady make a fortune telling for dany or some such where she can be just as vague as the books^^
yo, sorry to bother. But when did The Frosaken chapter came out?, i was visiting r/asoiaf for a few years but this year i'm burned out and actually haven't check anything related to ASOIAF and George Martin.
He killed the Sand Snakes that makes up for half of all his follies
No it doesn't that's like being forced to eat shit then chug piss
@@Kaodusanya I mean, to be fair, if the Sand Snakes were the shit, I'll chug the piss. Euron is an awful character in the show, but somehow I'd rather stomach him than them.
What's funny is, they killed the Sand Snakes off, probably knowing how bad they had made them, and replaced them with another poorly translated character.
A quarter at best, not half
Only good thing he’s done.
“It’s all down hill from here...” came to be a recurring theme with the show.
After playing Mk 11, I can’t see a difference between Kano & Euron Greyjoy
Kano is attractive at least.
oh fuck
@@jaguarking2892 euron is described as being good looking in the books
Least accurate book to show adaptation was the lemoncloak for sure
MoostyPlaysStuff They didn't even give him his name
MoostyPlaysStuff who is that?
MoostyPlaysStuff Yeah but Lem Lemoncloak isn't a major character. There's been plenty main characters who got obliterated by the show. Look at every character in Dorn. Oberyn Martell was nice but it fell off a cliff from there.
Studio 22.8 - Fitness and other Stuff exactly.. He's a brotherhood character who is pretty damn honorable and is partly weary on lady Stoneheart another book only character
Akshay Verma ahh yeah now I remember. The one with the yellow coat lol
On the ship when he attacked I thought he looked damned scary, then it all went downhill. How about the whole deal with shade of the evening, blue lips and vision?. D&D would rather sexualize everything like two teenagers in heat with tons of money to create their fantasy
When you spend 5 seasons building a story, you don't introduce a badass OP character out of nowhere. That would be terrible writting (like Dorne).
To introduce book Euron they would've needed to be working on it since s2-3 and dedicate quite a few episodes
Ramza Beoulves Why would book Euron be OP? In the show the good buys have Bran and dragons. It's ok to introduce a mediocre character out of nowhere but not a powerful one? I've seen you comment this several times and it's ridiculous.
'A crow came to me once, urged me to fly in a dream. When I woke I couldn't fly. Yet who knows? None of us ever try go fly in our lives.'
This line alone adds so much debth to him.
my friends and i read the books together and one of them hasnt seen the show yet, and we’re on season 5 now. Im not ready for him to see what they did to euron
honestly, i quite like Euron's actor. such charisma. but the book version definately seems cooler. the character himself in the show isn't particularly interesting. The actor is the only good thing.
The actor is confined by the script, though. Sadly.
You just wrote exactly what I was thinking!
The actor is a great actor. Its the shows writing of the character thats the problem.
The actor has some charisma but is totally wrong for the character. The issues here are not confined to the script.
@@robertthompson176 I think he was cast more for the fact that he physically resembles and looks related to Alfie Allen and the Yara actor than anything else. That said the actor started to do a good job with the character, he just is poorly written compared to book Euron.
anyone else feel like since season 5 game of thrones is a completley different show from what it was during seasons 1-4
that was the point when they simplified everything and only re-used their characters instead of introducing new ones. Really makes the books that much better again in my opinion
The dialogue, the scenes, interactions between characters, in world logic (the 1000 euron ships is a good example), all of it has fell short since season 4
Because book 4 and 5 were fucking shite
Season 5 in a nutshell = totally out of sync dialogue compared to any other season, cue music , panoramic shot, cue dragons. Did you know we have dragons in this show! Look dragons!
Seasons 1-3 are the best hands down, they are what made me love the show and discover the books. That being said season 6 has the best battle scene I've scene on film (maybe gladiator) and season 7 finally had riding dragons into battle. I've given up on the show as a contrast for the books, still some pretty good scenes sometimes though.
Yeah, if you thought Euron was creepy in the show, he seems like Tinkerbell compared to book Euron..
Can’t decide which plotline D&D screws up more: Dorne or Euron. On the brightside Euron did kill 2 out of the 3 sand snakes so thanks for that Euron
It's a difficult choice! I actually can't choose
They messed up when they removed Euron's brother Victarion from the show.
There are quite a bunch of thesis about the effects of having too many characters in a show. It's also very unwise to dedicate time to a plotline that GRRM hasn't finished yet.
Ramza Beoulves plus it would cost a lot more and take a lot more time
@@RamzaBeoulves man you keep defending this shit show do you?
Victarion, Arianne and Lady Stoneheart are the biggest show losses ever.
@@heyitsmira17 indeed my man, Victarion's fight in the ship in the fifth book would have been amazing in the series
Well....Show Euron killed the Sand Snakes, so he at least did us all a favor.
And they too had nothing to do with the books and were the creation of the same TV writers, who judging by their input, are apparently simple fratboys. I wonder when will people finally realize that those writers are really bad and anything that's good about this show came from Martin.
I realised it when they ran out of books.
@@anngan5045
I haven't read the books (yet) and it's painfully obvious that the show writers ran out of source material in the last season. It's just random dialogue, characters that have no character anymore then .... ooh dragons! A quality show has become mediocre at best now.
@@anngan5045 I may be wrong, by I think there was mention of Oberyn's daughters in the books; they kinda tried to merge them with the guy who cuts Myrcella's ear (don't remember the name).
It's still good but definitely not as good as it was in the beginning.
sad thing is the guy playing him in the show wanted to play the book version of him, and he was actually disappointed in what they did the to character
No other house is so much mistreated at the show as the Ironborn.
Forgetting House Martell, are we?
I understand why they would trim down Euron's character. Doesn't mean that I'm happy but I do understand.
Am I the only one who hopes when the show is over we will get a new G.O.T. that is animated and more accurate to the novels.
Imagine if they decided to make it an animation of the quality of the new Castlevania series, it'd be less expensive than the current episodes they are making and we would get more content.
Castlevania is awesome!
True... and they could get beloved cast members to voice the characters. They wouldn't get everybody but just getting someone like Conleth Hill and Sean Bean to voice their roles would be cool af
@@Jack-rk7jc I have a feeling that many of them would be inclined to return as the roles would not be physically demanding, nor would it require them traveling to Belfast (or wherever else they filmed)
Lol bruh thats so weird I said the exact same thing on another video. Im reading the books right now and some of the stuff they describe would be perfect for an animated series they could even use the actors from game of thrones as voice actors
I was JUST thinking about this. Another live action TV adaptation is probably not probably, but animation would be the perfect medium. It allows for unrestricted creativity, so a lot of the fantasy elements would actually be able to be shown.
The way I see Euron in the books, especially after reading The Forsaken sample chapter, is as a herald of the apocalypse, I feel certain that his actions will serve to drive the story further toward the apocalyptic events that are on the horizon, no doubt in my mind that what he does in TWOW will have dire implications for humanity's survival against the coming of the Others. In the TV show, he's just another in a long line of disappointments.
He know that will but I fear if the Maestars survive his attack they will rewrite and not let anyone know what happened for future generations
Wolfsbane Alphas as for oldtown, we probebly wont see what happens from an outside perspectiv. I think we will see it from a chaotic sam chapter.
Wolfsbane Alphas that wouldn't surprise me, it depends on whether there's anything left of Oldtown or the Maesters by the time Euron's done, if he succeeds in defeating the Redwyne fleet I feel certain that he and the Iron-Born will take the city and no one will be safe.
Jeremiah Kane
I honesty hope he does I guess for this situation he’s the good guy
Wolfsbane Alphas I'm not sure Euron could be the good guy in any situation tbh, he'll probably plunder the Citadel and kill all the Maesters including Sam if he can, and destroy anything there that's not of personal value to him, that wouldn't be good.
In my opinion people from Skellige in Witcher are better representation of the book version of Ironborn than Ironborn from the show are
Game of thrones needs to start all over as animation
I think it will, we just have to wait for the books. GoT was and still is way to big all around the world to be forgotten, no to mention it’s a great business
i hope so cause anything animated is always intriguing.
The last season is a total loser compared to the books, so I guess Euron sucking is just a logical extension.
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; deport him and you do not have to feed him again.
And you don't have to waste valuable time and resources teaching him how to fish either, presumably after you teach him how to speak English, give him a house, send his kids to school, et cetera.
To say nothing about teaching him how not to take a dump under a shower at a swimming pool.
@@SebAnders but them you can't tax him
nonstop trump logic
Based
We went from Littlefinger to Bum-finger!
Still thought the show version of Euron was funny though. He had some brilliant lines.
But yeah. The book version is a fucking badass. One of the best characters.
>if there's a worse example of a book to show character
Stannis, Stannis, Stannis!
This is kinda late but stannis was good early on. It was really just that last season where it was clear the showrunners just wanted to get rid of him.
@redmotive stannis? he's still alive in the books. In the books his chapter pretty much ends with theon and yara (asha in the books) in his custody while he's marching to winterfell with his army. Ramsey hasn't had his 20 good men causing half the army to desert moment and I hope to god that doesn't happen haha. Also his wife and daughter don't come with him so he's not fucking burning his daughter at the stake which was the most brutalizing of a character I've witnessed.
@@rams3955 Game of Thrones questions the morality of all its suspected 'heroes,' and I think that scene proved that Stannis wasn't Azor Ahai and that The Lord of Light can't be fully trusted. While it wasn't necessary, it wasn't completely unexpected and it fits in with the themes of the books and show pretty well.
@@Jack-ku3bt yes it does however stannis is all about Duty and how doing one good thing doesn't justify something bad which is why he knighted davos while still taking his fingers for smuggling. Now does that sound like a man who would kill his daughter out of some last ditch effort to be king? That's as believable as Ned murdering an unarmed Joffrey so he could hold the throne for stannis. It was lazy writing because D&D were pretty much forced to take stannis as far as he's gone in the books while clearly not liking him as a character. They also removed victarion and made euron into someone who's just named euron but is nothing like the character Lol. But like literally all they had to do was have his daughter do something he deemed unforgivable (to help him or tricked by the red woman) and then he burns her which causes his troops to lose faith and abandon him.
@redmotive stannis knew that it was bad idea to take his daughter and wife to the battlefield so he left them and melissandre at the wall, he also sent one of his men to hire a company of sellswords to place shireen at the iron throne if he died near winterfell and sent davos to get rickon stark from the isle of skagos to rally more northeners, and he's the one who kicked the ironborn out of the north and rallied some lords to his cause, he's fighting for his daughter and he's willing to die to place her at the iron throne so why the fck would he burn her, he also hates all kind of religions and forbid the burrning of soldiers by the red priests, he told them that he won't lose more soldiers to please their god so they should pray harder instead and that's it, the only time where he burnt ppl is when they cannibalized their fellow soldiers.
Thank you so much for making this. Book Euron has a Lovecraftian vibe that the show completely throws out.
Step 1 to enjoying Book vs Live action adaptations. Treat them like an alternate reality.
This is exactly why I avoided reading ASOFAI till after GOT is over. Obviously it was never going to be as good as the canon.
The shows suffers from "Made an anime before the manga was finished" Syndrome along with chronic "meh writers" Disorder. It comes off as decent as long as you don't compare it to the source material which is almost always superior.
Many great animes are made before the manga was finished. They simply stayed true to the writing. If you adhere to a 4-5 episodes per LN and 2 episodes per manga standard, you will ensure that your anime is extremely close to the source.
The much bigger problems are animes that do 2 episodes per ln.
I got smart and decided to wait till after next Sunday is over before I start on the first book. Friends told me years back that the books are allot better than the show so I didnt want the books to ruin the show for me.
Read GoT as well because that writer is ACTUALLY intelligent.
As disappointing as the Kingsmoot was in the show, the aftermath is what really put the final nail in show Euron's coffin for me. He gets crowned, asks where his niece and nephew are, says "let's go murder them" and shambles up the hill like a drunk while melodramatic bad-guy music plays. I actually laughed out loud at how silly it played.
He did mention that he would need someone to talk to on his ship because no one on it could speak.
exactly!
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@@PSNChazwazzer Balon mentions he went mad and cut out their tongues when he's first introduced.
There are worse book to show character adaptations like Ellaria Sand, The Sand Snakes, the Faith Militant, probably the High Sparrow too, Littlefinger was good at the start but then they messed him up later so that he makes the stupidest decision ever to send the actual Sansa Stark to the fucking Boltons.
The faith militant they seemed to just think "What would a modern day extremist religious group be like?" and went with that.
Imagine if the show truly represented the books? Would be the greatest thing ever in film
you can say that about most books
With good directors...
So I've never read the books and I'm a big fan of Euron on the show. He's one of my favourite characters right now but I have to say after watching this, Euron in the books sounds way better.
He says in season 8,"my ship is full of mutes."
@Targaryen Dynasty true, maybe because they cant talk! Lol
@Targaryen Dynasty To be fair, you never see much of the other ships crews either.
When he's first introduced, Balon mentions he went mad and cut out all his crew's tongues.
I’m unable to rewatch the kingsmoot after reading AFFC
I’ve said it before and I will say it again the adaption should have been animated so it’ll be more accurate to the books or at the very least so we could get some fantasy from the fucking fantasy series!
That's what I'm thinking,l would love to see the animated adaptation with all the derails and magic and characters from the books. So many stuff was cut from the show that it honestly feels like got is a thing for itself and has nothing to do with a song of ice and fire
The bloke who plays Euron reminds me of Bennett from Commando.
@Pappy Tron let off some steam Euron
Ideas of ice and fire I submit for worst book to show adaptation the character of Littlefinger. Littlefinger is so brilliantly written in the books, he's playing sides off of each other, fostering civil war, playing the game. But in the show he's utterly shit upon. One of the smartest characters in asoiaf, his ideas simply make no sense in the show. Why would he give Sansa to Ramsay ? She's more valuable to keep in his possession. He just does what the plot requires him to do, regardless of what his character would do. Chess piece storytelling. It's such a polar opposite of the book, where his character and motivations drove the story through his plotting and actions that were actually smart. Every action he took was in service to his goals.
They got Euron pretty bad too though. And Doran/Ellaria. And the Tyrells.
Even though Littlefinger is a master manipulator on the books, the best thing Martin did to him (in my opinion) was the subversion! (and I don't mean making him suddenly dumb like the show does)
He is constantly making crazy alegations, like the first thing he says when me meet the character on the first book was that he and Catelyn lost their virginity together but that she was forced to marry a Stark. Since we, as readers, have access to Catelyn as a narrator, we know that to be false right as he says it, but it DOES sound like the kind of lie a lecherous and pervy jilted lover would create, so we at once create an idea of what kind of character he is and misjudge his motivations for the first of maaany times.Then we have his betrayal of Ned, him moving his pieces for ever greater power... but then... then we have the moment in the Eyre when Lysa is confessing her love for him, and he is playing the game... until she, offhandedly, confesses that, when he was a kid, delirious with fever, she pretended to be Catelyn and slept with him. That gives him pause, Petyr goes blank for a moment... and procedes to declare undying love for Cat and throw Lysa through the Moondoor.
A few chapters later, Sansa comments that after that day he begun to go slowly insane, shattered. One half of him, that Sansa calls "Petyr" is protective, of her, like a father, and very much depressed, the other, which she calls "the Littlefinger" is kind of derranged and sometimes confuses her for her mother, gets drunk, and cries himself to sleep or something...
So, hear me out: that was when it hit me, Lysa pretended to be Catelyn, raped little Petyr Baelish and that led him to believe Cat was in love with him. Thus misguided, he challenged her fiancé for a duel, lost, interpreted her pleading to spare his life as a sacrifice she made for love (when she did that because she had no idea why the hell her friend challenged Stark in the first place, she thought he was just being a naïve boy -ironically, she was right but not for the reason whe though).
After that, look what we get:
- Cat one day appears on LF doors (in the first book).
-He professes love for her, she thinks that's just a nostalgic infatuation and refuses him
- He responds to that with something to the effect of "well, I know she is too honorable to be unfaithful, that perfect woman of my dreams, I better get her husband out of the picture so she is free to confess herself to me without feeling guilty".
-He betrays Ned, "coincidently" making Cat a widow. Now he only has to wait... dang, a war, that complicate things, a good chance to make himself a noble high enough to marry her, though... "I wonder who is holding Harrenhal...".
(correct me if I'm wrong, but he never chance to meet Catelyn again after that, does he?)
-His machination, unintentionally lead to Cat's death.
-He bets all his coins in getting Sansa, because she looks exactly like her mother when "they" fell in love. He tells Sansa his version of the events in saying that he slept with Catelyn and that she never really loved her husband, he is being, as far as he knows, honest, but we have no way to know that.
-Lysa confesses that SHE was the one who slept with him. He puts 2 and 2 together.
Her lie costs him:
-the loss of his place as a ward in Riverun as a kid
-his naïvete
-the chance of keeping his friendship with Cat after she married, if the duel never happened
-the Seven knows what chances of having a healthy relationship with someone if he was not too busy believing that the one he loved was into him, somewhere else, both separated only by her honor and his low social standing.
-ultimatelly, Catelyn herself, because Lysa's lie resulted in a snowball that quite cruelly ended with LF actions being the cause of Cat's death. And, at that point, he KNEW he was indirectly guilty of her death and now, knew it was for nothing, that she never even knew he loved her, so all his plans and the war was... moot. A sick joke of destiny, if you ask me.
I would say that's enough to make a man push a woman through a door and go a little bonkers.
Soooo, Lf is the smartest man in any room he is in, but life had him be fooled only once, and by the least inteligent woman in all of Westeros: Lysa Tully-Arryn. That doesn't make him less of a genius, but makes him more humane in his failing.
I'm pretty sure about my interpretation of events, but all of that was just implied in the book.
Implying is something Martin does quite wonderfully.
@@edisonmichael6345 oh shit, great theory dude! Admittedly, in the show, it`s nowhere near as subtle as your incredible theory, but I guess I kind of like how his downfall is caused by his underestimating of Sansa and Arya. Though, it wasn`t especially subtle, which does lessen my enjoyment of it.
@@edisonmichael6345 Holy shit. I need to read these books. Thanks for taking the time to write that up, that was really interesting.
Writers made Sansa marry Ramsey because Sophie Turner needed more screen time now that she has become a quite successful actress. So she can boost ratings.
If you wanna understand why would Hollywood do something, you have to think like them. Ratings trump everything...
Littlefinger gave Sansa to Boltons so when later she would try to reclaim the North (I assume he planned to have her broken out), the Boltons couldn't call upon Cersei or an Lannister because they had Sansa and didn't kill her or send her to King's Landing.
I appreciate Euron-esty.
This calls for another mutiny.
Ser Alliser? Fetch me my stabbing knives.
Euron to something there.
Yara clever one!
So.... there's no "Finger in the Bum" line in the book ? :(
Euron’s a beast, but Vicatrion will always be my favourite Greyjoy