Azathoth doesn’t dream reality, he is sleeping because if he isn’t then he eats a lot of shit, including the other gods. So the amorphous flute players play their music to keep him asleep.
Where did the "Azathot dreams reality" even come from? Lovecraft never stated it but it seemed to be the canon for people who hasnt really looked up the mythos
@@Simph0ny Yeah? And just in General he's a Very Powerful Character. "Oh but there's Outerversal beings in the verse therefore he's weak" uhh... No? If that's really the standard you have to use to say a Character is Weak in that Comparison then that's still Extremely Powerful.
and if something is everything then they are the most powerfull if someone can do something that everything can do it if someone has boundless power so is that everything imagine the entire dragonball universe the 2 zenos the grand priests the angles G.O.D'S goku and vegeta all mortals EVERYTHING was a being then it woudnt be stronge it would be the STRONGEST
Yog-Sothoth is the only character Lovecraft EVER said was omnipotent. He literally said there is no way to scale it.... He stated it would be beyond fiction. 👀
@@mikoajskarb747 he’s a great old one not an outer god. He got clapped by Nyarlathotep easily. He’s not strong compared to the outer gods at all. Outside of that he can beat every thing on earth doesn’t matter if they’re a person, deity, god, or anything in between. But so can the other great old ones, theoretically of course as some of the other great old ones are weaker.
@@twilight6779If you ask a powerscaler, he can make the planet and stars be in fear for their very existence. If you read the original story, he got outgamed by a boat.
Azathoth doesnt dream reality, nowhere in lovecrafts writings does it say he dreams reality. The flute players are there to keep him calm so he doesnt go around eating everything like pacman.
Lovecraft’s writings weren’t canon until he died. It was a collection of ideas that he had. People took his ideas and organized it into the mythos. This is why people get confused into thinking that Yosothoth is more powerful than Azathoth.
the Mythos has no official canon and other writers besides Lovecraft have added to the Mythos. if someone else besides Lovecraft has said it then it can still be considered true, it's all up to your interpretation.
@PlaidShirtPinstripeWorld no other writers in the cthulhu mythos have written that or even alluded to it. Yes there is a canon. The canon is the writing.
@@Burto11 Lovecraft himself said he never intended to create a canon but instead he wanted his creations to be the background elements of other stories. There is no canon. If I wrote a book right now saying Azathoth dreams reality then it's just as valid as anything else.
@@Burto11 I should rephrase myself because it's not that Lovecraft literally said that word for word, it's more about the fact that he never referred to his work as a mythos or canon, nor did any of his writer friends and peers that made contributions to the Mythos at the time. (He did however refer to his work collectively as "Yog Sothothery" but this was said as a joke and wasn't a sincere attempt to create or establish a canon) The terms "Lovecraft Mythos" or "Cthulhu Mythos" didn't exist during his lifetime, he didn't create those terms they were created after his death when writer and friend August Derleth compiled Lovecrafts work and added to the Mythos himself. HP Lovecraft and the other contributors to the Mythos were basically creating something akin to the SCP foundation, it was supposed to be a series of loosely connected stories with the cosmic entities as background elements that could be shared between stories and not to be treated as a concrete canon in itself.
Actually the whole azathoth dreaming reality thing isn't true, that has never been stated in any of lovecrafts books at any time. All we know is that it's powerful but that's actually it. There's no shenanigans about dreaming reality, although sure reality might still end when azathoth wakes up but that's for completely other reasons like how stupidly strong it is and due to it being infinitely big
You clearly have a read and none of his work and just Google things. It literally states in the unknown city of Kadath, and dreams in the witch house, and the collection of poetry that all reality is his dream, and if he awakes and everything returns to the nuclear chaos, Azathoth. This character was his reaction to Einstein, space-time, continuum theory and the exploration of the four dimensional universe. Az is the boundless, Damon Sultan, who exists beyond dizzying, mathematics and physics alike.
Azathoth has existed before Yog Sothoth, it wouldn't make sense for something to be born with boundless power. Secondly, u misunderstood the context with the Supreme Archetype scan failing to note that it was encompassing an aspect of the Supreme Archetype. Yog Sothoth has more activity than Azathoth due to one being wide awake and isn't actually feared by literally everything in existence. It just grants knowledge for a price whilst Azathoth is a sleeping nuke and the Cthulhu Verse is Hiroshima. Yog has been talked about more due to the interactions like for example him and some random guy that got to the ultimate gate where Yog resides. Nyartholotep didn't damage Azathoth per se, he just takes advantage of Azathoth's power like many other gods bc they know Azathoth won't do anything about it and if he does then it wouldn't matter bc everything will cease to exist anyways. HP has a lot of headcanons and frankly I'm starting to think this whole Pantheon thing just represents something else, possibly a singular entity or whatever.
Well sucks that everything you just said is speculation. Too bad we'll never know 🤷♂️ Right now it's clear Yog is beyond Azathoth. And again the Supreme Archetype thing still makes sense and shows why he's the strongest because as such everything that exists is a part of him.
@@angelparada9904 Reading comprehension: zero As the guy wrote yog might be the most powerful of the outer god but he's still an just an outer god not the dreamer of existence itself At best him being outside of existence being behind the gate makes him immune to the ceasing of existence in azathoths awakening But more powerful? Nope That's like saying an unarmed guy in a bulletproof box is stronger than the guy with a M2 browning 50 cal machine gun Sure he's safe in the box but if he goes out and pisses off the guy with the biggest fuckin gun he'll cease to exist
@@WintersTheSixth azathoth doesn't dream reality. That's never been said. Also on a sidenote don't powerscale lovecraftian gods, powerscaling fundamentally cannot capture their true scope
@@WintersTheSixth I hope you know that whole thing about azathoth not dreaming reality. If your gonna say stuff about the mythos at least get it right.
Yogsothoth isn’t stronger than Azathoth, because they’re both boundless, you can’t be stronger than that because there’s nothing above, you can’t be more boundless, boundless is boundless. Now, Lovecraft, never really did powerscaling. The reason why some people believe Yogsothoth could be stronger is that he has feats, instead of Azathoth whose just sleeping. And Yogsothoth actually manipulated Azathoth, and used him. He managed to do that because Azathoth is known as the blind idiot God, he’s not aware that he is dreaming. That’s why people think Yogsothoth is stronger than Azathoth. But really, in the end, if Azathoth wakes up, everything that is and that is not would be annihilated, and so Yogsothoth would be as screwed.
Wdym by "using Azathoth" Yog actually isn't that big to reach Ultimate Chaos, where Azathoth is located and sleeping. Actually Azathoth is Ultimate Chaos itself
You know in a way you're right because they both definitely qualify as boundless. However when you have such powerful beings as these in your verse, there then has to be ways to gage even boundless beings against other ones. It does get confusing since Yog is stated to be the Supreme Archetype and strongest of them all, but Azathoth is still boundless to some. personally I think he is at the cusp of it because it's also stated even just the first gates to even get a chance to reach Yog Sothoth is beyond Azathoth. But if you want to say Aza is boundless, then there's layers to it. Azathoth is at least 1 layer into boundless. Yog is who knows how many layers into boundless haha 😅
If we say outer gods have a dimensionality of beyond infinite^infinite like in some variations, nothing beats yog sothoth, since it would be outside the outside of a infinite^infinite realm, that alone would make it one of, if not the most powerful thing in fiction, and if we say the supreme archetype title is more than just a title and it was completely true, forget ever defeating yog sothoth, even if nyarlathotep could damage them that would just create a infinite power circle between azathoth, nyarlathotep and, yog sothoth, a rock paper scissors match if you will see it like that.
@@Datscrazi231 Aboriginal, have you ever read Lovecraft's books? The theme with infinity is a perspective exclusively working on the material plane, which is already annihilated on the worlds of dreams. What are you talking about, idiot? You haven't read Lovecraft at all, and it's very noticeable. He never had outer gods, which Derleth added to general cosmology a few years later, but Lovecraft did not. Lovecraft's gods were never described by mere "infinity" because defining their scale by that alone is the cruelest insult. Even the gods of the earth surpass the infinite hierarchies of dream planes, where the next step sees below as an illusion of reality, and then such a hierarchy expands from infinity, to such a perspective, where the entire detailed hierarchy is not a different integrity that has one scale, that is, you do not see the difference between some 1 and 100¹⁰⁰ or ∞ layer, all are equally insignificant. And after such expansions passes 2, that's the level of the gods of the earth. And do you seriously think that your description of "infinity" now looks anything but funny?
@justred8288 actually the only time the word "omnipotent" was used by HP Lovercraft was to describe Yog Sothoth. As Yog is the verse itself. Yog encompasses all of reality, he is the reason why all the other god's are stuck in the void.
As for the words of another youtuber (i don't Remember It perfectly) "we can't put yog sothot higher than azathoth on the scale because he Is the scale" or something along those lines
I should clarify that when he mentioned that they "View other elder gods as humans" it more or so means that those gods aren't able to properly perceive beings like Yogsothoth. You know, like how we'd have trouble with Cthulhu, Cthulhu has trouble with him. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
A quick note; Cthulhu isn't one of the strongest in the mythos or even a god. He's the high priest of a civilization of aliens called the Great Old Ones. He's godlike in that he can't be killed and can influence people's dreams, but that seems to be the extent of his power.
Cthulhu is nowhere near to being one of the strongest Outer gods, his "physical" form was wrecked by a boat and in his true form he eats stars for sustenance but that's NOTHING compared to hierarchy of Outer gods, each one transcending the one before it
says who? the Mythos has no official canon and anybody can add to it. if someone thinks Azathoth dreams reality then it's just as valid as any other idea.
@@PlaidSuitPinstripeWorldYou know, for something to be considerable as canon you need more than just your own head. I cannot call my creations canon, i must have them be faithfull to this fictional universe and validated by many others.
TL:DR CZcams short guy is wrong about quite a few things. Like usual you know. Just corrections if you feel like reading. It’s “The Other Gods” not “Outer Gods”. Lovecraft has never once stated them to be “Outer Gods”. That was coined by a video game made 40 or so years after Lovecraft’s death. Secondly Azathoth isn’t a dreamer of world bro just likes to eat when he is awake and turns out when you are the 2nd most powerful being in said verse no one is gonna be able to stop him from eating. Yog doesn’t care so everyone but him would be eaten. The Myth stems from a writer who Lovercraft was a fan of. The being in the writing is in a oldly similar situation as Azathoth where a being id playing drums to keep him asleep and if the being lets up for even a second the being wakes up and reality ends. This is not an extension of Lovecraft’s work. It isn’t even stated anywhere that Azathoth is a dreamer of worlds. Not anywhere in 100 stories is it remotely implied. Not only that it’s stated otherwise where if Azathoth wakes up he’s just gonna start eating and existence gets gobbled up. Other than Yog of course. And Thirdly Nyal hit Azathoth on the head but it did no damage so no Azathoth would dawg everybody in the verse other than Yog if he was let loose. It’s actually stated that Nyal is afraid of Azathoth which should already say enough about it.
So some of the main things that I had known about the Lovecraft Mythos is a lie. So the universe isn't Azathoth's dream and he and the others aren't known as "Outer Gods", it's all been a lie!?
@@JJWolfordrather not a lie, just misconceptions. the azazoth dreaming idea came from a writer named dunsany. in his book, gods of pegana, a being known as mana yood sushai who does dream the universe and like azazoth, is kept asleep by gods, just for a different reason. dunsany was a huge inspiration to lovecraft and there are definitely similarities in their works. as for the outer gods thing, i really have no clue why that game called them outer gods, since lovecraft never called that. there was one story (i believe dunwich horror but idk) where they were called ultimate gods which is cool
@@mihailboss9669 Doing what you are doing now is one of the worst ways to spread a religion. Go out and help homeless people, then you can start converting others to Christianity.
Yog-Sothoth doesnt really have a place in the heirarchy... rather, he IS the heirarchy. The All-In-One. The Guardian of the Gate between the material, and the void
Yog is literally everything omnipresent omnipotent omniscient but somehow evil and existence isn’t destroyed when azathoth wakes up he’s just asleep because he was to powerful not stronger then yog obviously but the other outer gods put him asleep and yog is LITERALLY everything and is boundless
To be exact axathorh doesn’t dream reality, music was played by amorphous flute players to put him to sleep cause they were eating all the other gods, and the first blow of the flute was so strong that the laws of reality itself came into existence. (And that much power only make azathoth sleepy). And yog isn’t the strongest. Azathoth is the granfather of yog themself, and by extension yog power came from azathoth. To be exact yog power level can’t be measured cause yog is NOT in that verse yog is THE VERSE.
From what i know and understand of the mythos Yogsothoth is literally existence itself you see the chari that yog you see that movile that's yog you see chathullu that yog too everything is yog
Uh, sir, Cthulhu isn’t an Elder God or an Outer God. He’s an Other God or Ultimate God, same as Azathoth, You-Sothoth, Shub and Nyarlathotep. Outer God came from a game that came out 40 years after Lovecraft died
The family tree was a joke created by Lovecraft and his friend in order to satirize genealogy and how people obsesses over their bloodline. You could even see that both Lovecraft and his friend are included in the family tree just to show how nonsensical it is.
Ok to be clear, Azathoth gets whooped by Yog simply because as the supreme archetype he represents the whole of Cuthulu mythos (including azathoth) so its like saying that a sentient big toe or tooth could beat a whole human being
Yin-Yang symbol is related to Yogsothoth and Azathoth. One is awake (Yin) and one is asleep (Yang) and they both must exist in order for Reality to Be.
Cuthulu is a warmonger, Shub ni**uth is a hen*ai nightmare Dagon is a fish Kaiju who's minions are like Moreau from RE village Yig is a reptilian God Nyralethotep is Lovecraftian Loki and Hermes Azathoth is Darth Nihlis fused with Bill Cipher. Yog Sothoth is Abeloth and certified Armageddon
Cthulhu is no where close to the other gods hes a ant compared to them and AZATHOTH DOESNT DREAM REALITY that is such a dumb thing to think, he'll eat the other gods if he awakes so they keep him asleep and they aren't called "OUTER GODS" Its "OTHER GODS" And the all in one is apart of all of the creature's inside the H.P. Lovecraft storys but tbh good video ! And cthulhu himself is a "Other God"
fun fact: its name is not actually azathoth but a random word that some guy made up to asighn this terrible unknowable creture a word to describe it in his writings
People think that Azathoth is dreaming reality. This is false. If you look through Lovecrafts work this is never stated. Azathoth is merely one of the most powerful. He will is asleep because the other gods are keeping him contained by trumpeters strong enough to keep him asleep. When he wakes, he will destroy the world.
The Azathot dreaming of reality saying is not proven as it was never stated and if that was the truth then Yog would've been part of it's " dream " so weaker .
alright there is alot of misinformation cthulhu is an OTHER GOD(in hp work its called other gods NOT outer gods) he is not a priest his descendants are the PRIEST
As far as I know the 2 most powerful characters in fiction are Yogsothoth and Vishnu. They are eerily similar in the way that they are the much more powerful version of the more famous beings (azathoth and shiva) If they fought then they would both deal one blow that would either kill both or neither of them but will destroy everything everywhere forever. Not like eternity forever I mean till infinite endings of infinite endings happen. Of course Brahman and Mahesh are also on par with Vishnu but he’s the supreme creator. They’re the supreme preserver and destroyer so he made them.
The space between the silver gates is stated to be as long as the journey to the gate itself which is every dream world and they have infinite length lets say you got a scale and you would probably think that we would PUT yogsothoh higher then azathoth right? Wrong yog sothoh IS the scale as yog sothoh is and will be everything that will and exists
Azathoth should still be above him, in a letter to Clark Ashton Smith on the 17th October, 1930, and can be found in the book "Dawnward Spire, Lonely Hill" by Hippocampus press, HP clearly says "the mindless Lord of Nighted Chaos who is the father of all other horrors & is coeval with the Ultimate Abyss itself", also, the distance between a lower / higher dimension is always INFINITE, but that doesn't equal strength, but yes, they would be able to apply force from impossible directions, which again doesn't equal to being stronger, its basically fighting Aizen after being caught by the KS, you would be hit without knowing... but aizen can still be beat (Yhwach) the same for other 'higher dimension' beings.
nah hes boundless for sure maybe a couple of layers in it azathoth himself is boundless cthulu is wayyyyyy beyond the dreamerrs who have infinite power making him around high multi wath just that AND has high outer range because his ablitys and reach the solar system from the void the void is at the center of the verse the verse is so big even the consept of infinity is to small to compare near the void is the ultimate gate the ultimate gate is beyond all of the other gates there are an infinite number of gates each gate INFINITY TRANSEND EACH OTHER and the fact just cthulu alone can use his ablitys beyond all the gates MAKES HIM DEBATABLEY HIGH OUTER and cthulu
Cthulhu is not one of the most powerful beings in the mythos. He’s actually one of the weaker ones compared to most. He’s still massive and immensely powerful compared to a human, but he kinda ain’t shit ngl 😂
I thought Azothoth was the strongest, too. But I was proven wrong :( I thought he dreams reality but there was no indication that he did. Not even Poem 22 from Fungi from Yuggoth that Lovecraft wrotr 😢
O viralquest vq explica bem melhor o verso de lovecraft,por mais q nenhum de vocês vao a entender,ja q nao falam portugues,e ele é um youtuber brasileiro
1. It's other gods not outer gods (yeah grammar police I know) 2. Cthulhu is very a very weak other god 3. AZATHOTH DOES NOT DREAM REALITY HE'S WOKEN UP BEFORE AND NOTHING HAPPENED!!! 4. Yog-Sothoth IS everything in lovecraft. (Just clearing up some stuff)
isn’t leviathans only weakness god? if his only weakness is his creator, these mofos can’t kill him because their not his creator. so technically leviathan takes the dub in any situation unless it’s against god.
is he the person that went bakc in time to the beginning of time then has his body be in the exact smae position and point of itme as infinite other versions of him then just had the entire of the big bang cause the matter being forced in a place with infinite mass at a point exploded and had most of the mass in black holes which are infinite mass not portals
All should finally bow down and worship in fear of the truly abyssal power of the keeper of all, Dreamer and Master Yog, his awareness shall be our end and shall be done! Now,we need some robes with big ass hoods,draw some pseudo offset almost runes or pentacles on the floor, light some candles and chant some stuff that should be an intro for a Norwegian Black Metal album and, finally, the virgin... this is the internet so we should be able to find one in seconds. Anime forums here we come!!!
nah bro you all being brainwashed by the book that the authors write and they got manipulated by yogsothoth without knowing so i was saying yogsothoth want us all to believe he's the strongest and our beliefs to him empower him more cause in truth yog and aza are equal but since aza is sleeping yog now is getting more stronger the more he's known this is a joke XD
Man, Cthulhu althou extremely powerful, it is just an Old one and its power is nothing if compared to outer Gods powers... Cthulhu is just the most used in media and games.
Azathoth is yog sothoth's dad. Also Yog-Sothoth represents the all-in-one aspect of the Supreme archetype while Azathoth is dreamer of supreme archetypem. Azathoth has more power but yog sothoth has more influence.
Azathoth doesn’t dream reality, he is sleeping because if he isn’t then he eats a lot of shit, including the other gods. So the amorphous flute players play their music to keep him asleep.
Where did the "Azathot dreams reality" even come from? Lovecraft never stated it but it seemed to be the canon for people who hasnt really looked up the mythos
I think it came from another creature from some other mythos by a completely different writer
@@varynlied ive heard that it was from an extended version, not sure tho so take what im saying with a grain of salt
@@varynlied people often mistaken that Mana-Yood-Sushai from Dunsany and Azathoth as one because they have some similarity and because it sound cool.
And a by product of the flutes is our laws of physics
Cthulhu isn't one of the strongest....he's weak in comparison to the others
yea... he's weak to Jeezus and cameraman and ur mom with the belt
He’s just a priest that calls the others 👏🏻 he strong absolutely but when it comes to power scale it’s like Cthulhu is a cleric of the other deities.
That's... Still very very Strong...
@@ultraexcalibur1728 to human? yeah sure
@@Simph0ny Yeah? And just in General he's a Very Powerful Character.
"Oh but there's Outerversal beings in the verse therefore he's weak" uhh... No? If that's really the standard you have to use to say a Character is Weak in that Comparison then that's still Extremely Powerful.
Yogsothoth is Lovecraft, he is the whole reality everything and everyone is Yogsothoth
and if something is everything then they are the most powerfull if someone can do something that everything can do it if someone has boundless power so is that everything imagine the entire dragonball universe the 2 zenos the grand priests the angles G.O.D'S goku and vegeta all mortals EVERYTHING was a being then it woudnt be stronge it would be the STRONGEST
IT lives outside of our dimension. It is also birthed from the nameless mist, which is the offspring of Azathoth.
@@Lycurgus1982the family tree was a joke not to be taken seriously
@@josephrogers3666 why do you think we are here? To take these thing seriously?
Sibling rivalry in lovecraft be like:
Yog is not Aza's sibling
@@vatarants i know, i was just saying that cause the situation felt like siblings fighting
@@vatarantsif yog is everything including aza, yog is basically everyone's sibling or something.
@@KingTheGrea8yog is azathot's grandson
Yog-Sothoth is the only character Lovecraft EVER said was omnipotent. He literally said there is no way to scale it.... He stated it would be beyond fiction. 👀
He said Cthulhu is one of the strongest 😂😂😂😂😂😂
he is the weakest of the other gods but he's still one of them, he is one of the strongest so i dont get ur point
@@mikoajskarb747 I’m pretty certain he’s a great old one, not an other god.
@@mikoajskarb747 he’s a great old one not an outer god. He got clapped by Nyarlathotep easily. He’s not strong compared to the outer gods at all. Outside of that he can beat every thing on earth doesn’t matter if they’re a person, deity, god, or anything in between. But so can the other great old ones, theoretically of course as some of the other great old ones are weaker.
No he's an other god not a great old one@@dI9ESTIVES123
@@dI9ESTIVES123Cthulhu is not an old one
im pretty sure cthulhu is actually considered one of the weaker gods in Lovecraftian
All along i thought he was powerful😂
Yea but all the outer and elder gods are overpowered as hell
@@greenshirtguy6220he’s technically not even a god he’s considered a priest
@@twilight6779Trust me, the Other Gods are just very overpowered
@@twilight6779If you ask a powerscaler, he can make the planet and stars be in fear for their very existence. If you read the original story, he got outgamed by a boat.
If everything was on a scale, YOGSOTHOTH IS THE SCALE.
Azathoth doesnt dream reality, nowhere in lovecrafts writings does it say he dreams reality. The flute players are there to keep him calm so he doesnt go around eating everything like pacman.
Lovecraft’s writings weren’t canon until he died. It was a collection of ideas that he had. People took his ideas and organized it into the mythos. This is why people get confused into thinking that Yosothoth is more powerful than Azathoth.
Yog is everything. its like saying your right hand can beat you in a fight
@@LathosTheUnseenOne. Your statement is incoherent.
@@davonbenson4361 i forgot the its
AZATHOTH DOES NOT DREAM UP OUR REALITY. IT IS NOT SAID OR ALLUDED TO IN ANY OF LOVECRAFTS WORKS.
the Mythos has no official canon and other writers besides Lovecraft have added to the Mythos.
if someone else besides Lovecraft has said it then it can still be considered true, it's all up to your interpretation.
@PlaidShirtPinstripeWorld no other writers in the cthulhu mythos have written that or even alluded to it. Yes there is a canon. The canon is the writing.
@@Burto11 Lovecraft himself said he never intended to create a canon but instead he wanted his creations to be the background elements of other stories.
There is no canon. If I wrote a book right now saying Azathoth dreams reality then it's just as valid as anything else.
@PlaidShirtPinstripeWorld I wasn't aware of lovecraft saying that, can you show me. Or tell me where he said it
@@Burto11 I should rephrase myself because it's not that Lovecraft literally said that word for word, it's more about the fact that he never referred to his work as a mythos or canon, nor did any of his writer friends and peers that made contributions to the Mythos at the time. (He did however refer to his work collectively as "Yog Sothothery" but this was said as a joke and wasn't a sincere attempt to create or establish a canon)
The terms "Lovecraft Mythos" or "Cthulhu Mythos" didn't exist during his lifetime, he didn't create those terms they were created after his death when writer and friend August Derleth compiled Lovecrafts work and added to the Mythos himself.
HP Lovecraft and the other contributors to the Mythos were basically creating something akin to the SCP foundation, it was supposed to be a series of loosely connected stories with the cosmic entities as background elements that could be shared between stories and not to be treated as a concrete canon in itself.
Actually the whole azathoth dreaming reality thing isn't true, that has never been stated in any of lovecrafts books at any time. All we know is that it's powerful but that's actually it. There's no shenanigans about dreaming reality, although sure reality might still end when azathoth wakes up but that's for completely other reasons like how stupidly strong it is and due to it being infinitely big
reality would end if he wakes up, not because its his dream, but because he would just nom on everything
You clearly have a read and none of his work and just Google things. It literally states in the unknown city of Kadath, and dreams in the witch house, and the collection of poetry that all reality is his dream, and if he awakes and everything returns to the nuclear chaos, Azathoth. This character was his reaction to Einstein, space-time, continuum theory and the exploration of the four dimensional universe. Az is the boundless, Damon Sultan, who exists beyond dizzying, mathematics and physics alike.
@@LukeAvis-vu8sq Lovecraft wrote a story in wich a human defeats and destroys Azathoths' creator. This is what drove Abdul Alhazred insane.
Azathoth has existed before Yog Sothoth, it wouldn't make sense for something to be born with boundless power. Secondly, u misunderstood the context with the Supreme Archetype scan failing to note that it was encompassing an aspect of the Supreme Archetype. Yog Sothoth has more activity than Azathoth due to one being wide awake and isn't actually feared by literally everything in existence. It just grants knowledge for a price whilst Azathoth is a sleeping nuke and the Cthulhu Verse is Hiroshima. Yog has been talked about more due to the interactions like for example him and some random guy that got to the ultimate gate where Yog resides. Nyartholotep didn't damage Azathoth per se, he just takes advantage of Azathoth's power like many other gods bc they know Azathoth won't do anything about it and if he does then it wouldn't matter bc everything will cease to exist anyways. HP has a lot of headcanons and frankly I'm starting to think this whole Pantheon thing just represents something else, possibly a singular entity or whatever.
Well sucks that everything you just said is speculation. Too bad we'll never know 🤷♂️ Right now it's clear Yog is beyond Azathoth. And again the Supreme Archetype thing still makes sense and shows why he's the strongest because as such everything that exists is a part of him.
@@angelparada9904
Reading comprehension: zero
As the guy wrote yog might be the most powerful of the outer god but he's still an just an outer god not the dreamer of existence itself
At best him being outside of existence being behind the gate makes him immune to the ceasing of existence in azathoths awakening
But more powerful? Nope
That's like saying an unarmed guy in a bulletproof box is stronger than the guy with a M2 browning 50 cal machine gun
Sure he's safe in the box but if he goes out and pisses off the guy with the biggest fuckin gun he'll cease to exist
LOVECRAFT HE NEVER WRITTEN THAT AZATHOTH DREAM REALITY
@@WintersTheSixth azathoth doesn't dream reality. That's never been said. Also on a sidenote don't powerscale lovecraftian gods, powerscaling fundamentally cannot capture their true scope
@@WintersTheSixth I hope you know that whole thing about azathoth not dreaming reality. If your gonna say stuff about the mythos at least get it right.
Yogsothoth isn’t stronger than Azathoth, because they’re both boundless, you can’t be stronger than that because there’s nothing above, you can’t be more boundless, boundless is boundless. Now, Lovecraft, never really did powerscaling. The reason why some people believe Yogsothoth could be stronger is that he has feats, instead of Azathoth whose just sleeping. And Yogsothoth actually manipulated Azathoth, and used him. He managed to do that because Azathoth is known as the blind idiot God, he’s not aware that he is dreaming. That’s why people think Yogsothoth is stronger than Azathoth. But really, in the end, if Azathoth wakes up, everything that is and that is not would be annihilated, and so Yogsothoth would be as screwed.
Not annihilated but rather cease to exist.
no yog is not part of it so he does not + is yog far beyond azathoth since he reached more gates than only one which did azathoth
Azathoth sleeping was just a misconception due to people thinking that Azathoth was inspired from a the supreme being from another Mythos
Wdym by "using Azathoth" Yog actually isn't that big to reach Ultimate Chaos, where Azathoth is located and sleeping. Actually Azathoth is Ultimate Chaos itself
You know in a way you're right because they both definitely qualify as boundless. However when you have such powerful beings as these in your verse, there then has to be ways to gage even boundless beings against other ones. It does get confusing since Yog is stated to be the Supreme Archetype and strongest of them all, but Azathoth is still boundless to some. personally I think he is at the cusp of it because it's also stated even just the first gates to even get a chance to reach Yog Sothoth is beyond Azathoth. But if you want to say Aza is boundless, then there's layers to it. Azathoth is at least 1 layer into boundless. Yog is who knows how many layers into boundless haha 😅
The universe isn't Azathoths dream.
If we say outer gods have a dimensionality of beyond infinite^infinite like in some variations, nothing beats yog sothoth, since it would be outside the outside of a infinite^infinite realm, that alone would make it one of, if not the most powerful thing in fiction, and if we say the supreme archetype title is more than just a title and it was completely true, forget ever defeating yog sothoth, even if nyarlathotep could damage them that would just create a infinite power circle between azathoth, nyarlathotep and, yog sothoth, a rock paper scissors match if you will see it like that.
You can't describe their levels just by using infinite^infinite, dude. That's actually so lame, that even smallest dreams beat that
@@Datscrazi231 Aboriginal, have you ever read Lovecraft's books? The theme with infinity is a perspective exclusively working on the material plane, which is already annihilated on the worlds of dreams. What are you talking about, idiot? You haven't read Lovecraft at all, and it's very noticeable. He never had outer gods, which Derleth added to general cosmology a few years later, but Lovecraft did not. Lovecraft's gods were never described by mere "infinity" because defining their scale by that alone is the cruelest insult. Even the gods of the earth surpass the infinite hierarchies of dream planes, where the next step sees below as an illusion of reality, and then such a hierarchy expands from infinity, to such a perspective, where the entire detailed hierarchy is not a different integrity that has one scale, that is, you do not see the difference between some 1 and 100¹⁰⁰ or ∞ layer, all are equally insignificant. And after such expansions passes 2, that's the level of the gods of the earth. And do you seriously think that your description of "infinity" now looks anything but funny?
Infinite^infinite is not defined
@justred8288 actually the only time the word "omnipotent" was used by HP Lovercraft was to describe Yog Sothoth. As Yog is the verse itself.
Yog encompasses all of reality, he is the reason why all the other god's are stuck in the void.
@@-NO_ Yog is not really verse itself, but a small part of whole cosmology
As for the words of another youtuber (i don't Remember It perfectly) "we can't put yog sothot higher than azathoth on the scale because he Is the scale" or something along those lines
-Literary Who episode "How powerful is Yogsothoth" (or something like that)
I should clarify that when he mentioned that they "View other elder gods as humans" it more or so means that those gods aren't able to properly perceive beings like Yogsothoth. You know, like how we'd have trouble with Cthulhu, Cthulhu has trouble with him. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
if omnipotency was mentioned once only for yogsothoth, you know he’s powerful.
A quick note; Cthulhu isn't one of the strongest in the mythos or even a god. He's the high priest of a civilization of aliens called the Great Old Ones. He's godlike in that he can't be killed and can influence people's dreams, but that seems to be the extent of his power.
Yog is just the grandchlild trying to show his grandpa how the internet works.
The gut from pirates of the carbien guy
Cthulhu is nowhere near to being one of the strongest Outer gods, his "physical" form was wrecked by a boat and in his true form he eats stars for sustenance but that's NOTHING compared to hierarchy of Outer gods, each one transcending the one before it
Yog and azathoth immeasurable layyers into boundless how can yog be high outer ☠️
Yog is beyond tiering fr
Because Azathoth is part of Yog and Yog is literally EVERYTHING. Including the great old ones and outer gods. Hell, even concepts.
@@eidolonwyrm7850*Other Gods
Azathoth does not dream reality.
says who? the Mythos has no official canon and anybody can add to it. if someone thinks Azathoth dreams reality then it's just as valid as any other idea.
So with your bullshit logic, humans in that Verse are omnipotent gods if we say so 😂
@@anthonylyle2687They CAN be. A human destroyed Azathoths' father in one of Lovecrafts' stories.
@@PlaidSuitPinstripeWorldYou know, for something to be considerable as canon you need more than just your own head. I cannot call my creations canon, i must have them be faithfull to this fictional universe and validated by many others.
Look were the Misinformation let us do...
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TL:DR CZcams short guy is wrong about quite a few things. Like usual you know. Just corrections if you feel like reading.
It’s “The Other Gods” not “Outer Gods”. Lovecraft has never once stated them to be “Outer Gods”. That was coined by a video game made 40 or so years after Lovecraft’s death.
Secondly Azathoth isn’t a dreamer of world bro just likes to eat when he is awake and turns out when you are the 2nd most powerful being in said verse no one is gonna be able to stop him from eating. Yog doesn’t care so everyone but him would be eaten. The Myth stems from a writer who Lovercraft was a fan of. The being in the writing is in a oldly similar situation as Azathoth where a being id playing drums to keep him asleep and if the being lets up for even a second the being wakes up and reality ends. This is not an extension of Lovecraft’s work. It isn’t even stated anywhere that Azathoth is a dreamer of worlds. Not anywhere in 100 stories is it remotely implied. Not only that it’s stated otherwise where if Azathoth wakes up he’s just gonna start eating and existence gets gobbled up. Other than Yog of course.
And Thirdly Nyal hit Azathoth on the head but it did no damage so no Azathoth would dawg everybody in the verse other than Yog if he was let loose. It’s actually stated that Nyal is afraid of Azathoth which should already say enough about it.
So some of the main things that I had known about the Lovecraft Mythos is a lie. So the universe isn't Azathoth's dream and he and the others aren't known as "Outer Gods", it's all been a lie!?
@@JJWolfordrather not a lie, just misconceptions. the azazoth dreaming idea came from a writer named dunsany. in his book, gods of pegana, a being known as mana yood sushai who does dream the universe and like azazoth, is kept asleep by gods, just for a different reason. dunsany was a huge inspiration to lovecraft and there are definitely similarities in their works. as for the outer gods thing, i really have no clue why that game called them outer gods, since lovecraft never called that. there was one story (i believe dunwich horror but idk) where they were called ultimate gods which is cool
@@CompadeGD I don't even care about Lovecraft at all anymore.
God is Lord! Jesus is Lord!
Nobody asked.
@@Dice_roller ok
@@mihailboss9669 Doing what you are doing now is one of the worst ways to spread a religion. Go out and help homeless people, then you can start converting others to Christianity.
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bro, cthulu is the most weak creature in the lovecraft verse
in the other gods pantheon he is, but compared to the essentially every other creature, theyre essentially ants
to everybody saying azathoth is stronger then yog-sothoth:
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Yog-Sothoth doesnt really have a place in the heirarchy... rather, he IS the heirarchy. The All-In-One. The Guardian of the Gate between the material, and the void
No way you ware gone say “heigh outerversal”
Yog is literally everything omnipresent omnipotent omniscient but somehow evil and existence isn’t destroyed when azathoth wakes up he’s just asleep because he was to powerful not stronger then yog obviously but the other outer gods put him asleep and yog is LITERALLY everything and is boundless
It’s cool how Yog sothoth is omniscient which means he knows everything at any moment in the universe, he can control time and spacetime.
Other gods is cannon. Outer gods is from a Lovecraftian video game.
To be exact axathorh doesn’t dream reality, music was played by amorphous flute players to put him to sleep cause they were eating all the other gods, and the first blow of the flute was so strong that the laws of reality itself came into existence. (And that much power only make azathoth sleepy). And yog isn’t the strongest. Azathoth is the granfather of yog themself, and by extension yog power came from azathoth. To be exact yog power level can’t be measured cause yog is NOT in that verse yog is THE VERSE.
From what i know and understand of the mythos
Yogsothoth is literally existence itself you see the chari that yog you see that movile that's yog you see chathullu that yog too everything is yog
No, he does not dream existence. It’s just when he wakes up, he eats all of existence
Lovecraft gods and creatures are epic
Uh, sir, Cthulhu isn’t an Elder God or an Outer God. He’s an Other God or Ultimate God, same as Azathoth, You-Sothoth, Shub and Nyarlathotep. Outer God came from a game that came out 40 years after Lovecraft died
Cthulhu : " nah id win "
You should put this much we into our real God lol
High outer to boundless?
Fuck no he is beyond scaling
There's no characther beyond scaling
@@Facethecap do you mean the god of the Jews and the supreme being of MCU? both dont exceed the transcendental category
How do you know this information... I'd say a Cthulhu death whistle is available to everyone that's crazy...
Yog is Az's grandson... try again.
Yog still inf layers into boundless.
The family tree was a joke created by Lovecraft and his friend in order to satirize genealogy and how people obsesses over their bloodline. You could even see that both Lovecraft and his friend are included in the family tree just to show how nonsensical it is.
@@Murphy_LawWhat about the other family tree made by his friend though?
@@Murphy_Law Yeah, but couldn't he just place Yog as the top being? Why Azathoth specifically?
@@dmin5782 Jokes don't need reasons
Ayo joseph with the 3.04
Ok to be clear, Azathoth gets whooped by Yog simply because as the supreme archetype he represents the whole of Cuthulu mythos (including azathoth)
so its like saying that a sentient big toe or tooth could beat a whole human being
bruh you all really sleep on me, THE God of memes.
outer gods are from a board game, they are THE OTHER GODS
Azathoth no dream reality
They're called the other gods not outer gods
Yin-Yang symbol is related to Yogsothoth and Azathoth. One is awake (Yin) and one is asleep (Yang) and they both must exist in order for Reality to Be.
No
Cuthulu is a warmonger,
Shub ni**uth is a hen*ai nightmare
Dagon is a fish Kaiju who's minions are like Moreau from RE village
Yig is a reptilian God
Nyralethotep is Lovecraftian Loki and Hermes
Azathoth is Darth Nihlis fused with Bill Cipher.
Yog Sothoth is Abeloth and certified Armageddon
Yog sothoth is not beyond the key, he is the key and the gate. He is the key to azathoths awakening, or something like that
Cthulhu is no where close to the other gods hes a ant compared to them and AZATHOTH DOESNT DREAM REALITY that is such a dumb thing to think, he'll eat the other gods if he awakes so they keep him asleep and they aren't called "OUTER GODS" Its "OTHER GODS" And the all in one is apart of all of the creature's inside the H.P. Lovecraft storys but tbh good video ! And cthulhu himself is a "Other God"
Cuthulu is an octopus not a squid.
Don't worry about it
fun fact: its name is not actually azathoth but a random word that some guy made up to asighn this terrible unknowable creture a word to describe it in his writings
Your missing some thing when athoth when he wakes up he it will destroy not gust every thing but everyone
uhm wrong pic bruh yug doesnt look like that he was described as "pure light " or "orbs of light" ,"evil light" not tentacles eyed monster
People think that Azathoth is dreaming reality. This is false. If you look through Lovecrafts work this is never stated. Azathoth is merely one of the most powerful. He will is asleep because the other gods are keeping him contained by trumpeters strong enough to keep him asleep. When he wakes, he will destroy the world.
Yes, he dreams of reality, why not? It's actually stated many times, that dreams are more fundamental spheres of cosmos, than waking existence
The Azathot dreaming of reality saying is not proven as it was never stated and if that was the truth then Yog would've been part of it's " dream " so weaker .
It depends on what you consider to be "strong"
is this book or something? tell me pls
Isn’t Cthulhu supposed to be a priest for the gods, and not actually a god?
alright there is alot of misinformation cthulhu is an OTHER GOD(in hp work its called other gods NOT outer gods) he is not a priest his descendants are the PRIEST
As far as I know the 2 most powerful characters in fiction are Yogsothoth and Vishnu. They are eerily similar in the way that they are the much more powerful version of the more famous beings (azathoth and shiva) If they fought then they would both deal one blow that would either kill both or neither of them but will destroy everything everywhere forever. Not like eternity forever I mean till infinite endings of infinite endings happen. Of course Brahman and Mahesh are also on par with Vishnu but he’s the supreme creator. They’re the supreme preserver and destroyer so he made them.
But that’s his grandson
Ya and? Yog is still way beyond Aza
The family tree was a joke made by Lovecraft and his friend to satirize genealogy and shit
@@Murphy_Law And so? Still describes their family tree, lol. Nameless Mist is nonexistent, when Yog Is existence. Think about it
@@eretfdreeretfdre6197 which means that they arne't canon
@@Murphy_Law Why, lol? It's from Lovecraft, meaning it's pure canon
Do you know what’s stronger than out of all of them? God that’s who
Yog is the god.
The space between the silver gates is stated to be as long as the journey to the gate itself which is every dream world and they have infinite length lets say you got a scale and you would probably think that we would PUT yogsothoh higher then azathoth right? Wrong yog sothoh IS the scale as yog sothoh is and will be everything that will and exists
Azathoth should still be above him, in a letter to Clark Ashton Smith on the 17th October, 1930, and can be found in the book "Dawnward Spire, Lonely Hill" by Hippocampus press, HP clearly says "the mindless Lord of Nighted Chaos who is the father of all other horrors & is coeval with the Ultimate Abyss itself", also, the distance between a lower / higher dimension is always INFINITE, but that doesn't equal strength, but yes, they would be able to apply force from impossible directions, which again doesn't equal to being stronger, its basically fighting Aizen after being caught by the KS, you would be hit without knowing... but aizen can still be beat (Yhwach) the same for other 'higher dimension' beings.
nah hes boundless for sure maybe a couple of layers in it azathoth himself is boundless cthulu is wayyyyyy beyond the dreamerrs who have infinite power making him around high multi wath just that AND has high outer range because his ablitys and reach the solar system from the void the void is at the center of the verse the verse is so big even the consept of infinity is to small to compare near the void is the ultimate gate the ultimate gate is beyond all of the other gates there are an infinite number of gates each gate INFINITY TRANSEND EACH OTHER and the fact just cthulu alone can use his ablitys beyond all the gates MAKES HIM DEBATABLEY HIGH OUTER and cthulu
Cthulhu, one of the strongest, like his as didn't get knocked the fuck out by a boat
azazoth doesnt dream reality it never even remotely says anything about that in over 100 stories
It’s not outer gods its other gods
Cthulhu is not one of the most powerful beings in the mythos. He’s actually one of the weaker ones compared to most. He’s still massive and immensely powerful compared to a human, but he kinda ain’t shit ngl 😂
I thought Azothoth was the strongest, too. But I was proven wrong :( I thought he dreams reality but there was no indication that he did. Not even Poem 22 from Fungi from Yuggoth that Lovecraft wrotr 😢
azathoth is below silver gate
I know he doesn't dream reality, but I'd like to know what he dreams of lol
Probably nothing since he is supposedly extremely intellectually underdeveloped.
Food problably
food probably since hes pretty stupid
Cthulhu isn't an Elder God, he's a Great Old One. Elder God are actually direct opponents of Great Old Ones
O viralquest vq explica bem melhor o verso de lovecraft,por mais q nenhum de vocês vao a entender,ja q nao falam portugues,e ele é um youtuber brasileiro
1. It's other gods not outer gods (yeah grammar police I know)
2. Cthulhu is very a very weak other god
3. AZATHOTH DOES NOT DREAM REALITY HE'S WOKEN UP BEFORE AND NOTHING HAPPENED!!!
4. Yog-Sothoth IS everything in lovecraft.
(Just clearing up some stuff)
isn’t leviathans only weakness god? if his only weakness is his creator, these mofos can’t kill him because their not his creator. so technically leviathan takes the dub in any situation unless it’s against god.
Casual Peste victims frfr
The old great ones🩶
Godzilla in hell one shotting yogsothoth🗿🍷
Kinda sad people paying this guy for fictional character scaling 😂
is he the person that went bakc in time to the beginning of time then has his body be in the exact smae position and point of itme as infinite other versions of him then just had the entire of the big bang cause the matter being forced in a place with infinite mass at a point exploded and had most of the mass in black holes which are infinite mass not portals
All should finally bow down and worship in fear of the truly abyssal power of the keeper of all, Dreamer and Master Yog, his awareness shall be our end and shall be done!
Now,we need some robes with big ass hoods,draw some pseudo offset almost runes or pentacles on the floor, light some candles and chant some stuff that should be an intro for a Norwegian Black Metal album and, finally, the virgin... this is the internet so we should be able to find one in seconds. Anime forums here we come!!!
How about hastur?
What… I never heard anyone say these words
Yog-sothoth is boundless
Ohio octopus vs Ohio bird
Bro you don't know the real power of Azathot ☠️
nah bro you all being brainwashed by the book that the authors write and they got manipulated by yogsothoth without knowing so i was saying yogsothoth want us all to believe he's the strongest and our beliefs to him empower him more cause in truth yog and aza are equal but since aza is sleeping yog now is getting more stronger the more he's known
this is a joke XD
Man, Cthulhu althou extremely powerful, it is just an Old one and its power is nothing if compared to outer Gods powers... Cthulhu is just the most used in media and games.
Azathoth is yog sothoth's dad. Also Yog-Sothoth represents the all-in-one aspect of the Supreme archetype while Azathoth is dreamer of supreme archetypem. Azathoth has more power but yog sothoth has more influence.
correct Azathoth is the Supreme Being, the most powerful and Yogs dad. But Aza doesnt do anything while Yog is active.
If they were considered he, Azathoth would be the grandfather. The outer gods are formless and the concept of power is meaningless to them.
he isnt the family tree is not canon and its a joke letter by hp lovecraft
You know who could be the one to deafet all strongest mythical legends, God the creator of the universe
"nah id win"
Cthulhu is a joke to the gods above him. Compare an ant to cthulu himself. With Cthulhu beings the gods like Azathoth. And the Ant being Cthulhu.
Bible says that swearing is wrong
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