Ma Long vs Fan Zhendong | MS FINAL | 2020 China National Championships
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- Ma Long vs Fan Zhendong | MS FINAL | 2020 China National Championships
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Oh my goodness This was some sort of fight.. The match was super intense and absoultely full with entertainment just like 2017 world championships and 2018 asian cup.
Fan zhendong's backhand play became not just stronger but extremely smarter too.. He attacked so many to Ma long's empty room corner to corner and made him lose so many points with that. Especially with that backhand down-the-line shots to Ma long's forehand side.
And also it seems that Ma long's steady backhand isn't enough to handle Fan zhendong's rocket backhand. Most of the points bewteen backhand to backhand rallies were taken by Fan.
However Ma long really gave his best.. There's no doubt about it.
It hurts that Ma long lost this match as his fan, but I am never dissapointed with his performance.
Ma long, you really fought like an king lion.. Always wish you good luck and I appreciate you to make me see the real spirit fight of the highest level of proffesional table tennis player
I mean, it's been clear for years that MLs backhand doesn't compete with the likes of FZD, LJK or Ovtcharov for exmaple. ML was never about his backhand. And you could see that in previous or basically all matches vs FZD as well...
@@mortuc1 I know that very well. Yes as you mentioned, Ma long has never had a explosive backhand like Fan zhendong or Dimitri ovcharov. He is quite defensive with his backhand and tries to play as soft and safe as he can.
Until these days, he could handle his backhand side pretty safely against Fan's backhand with high percentage with his safe playstyle.
What I wanted to say is that Fan's backhand got even stronger than before, and Ma long is not very much safe with his backhand side anymore compared to the past 1 or 2 years ago
I agree with you, the match was Perfect, Ma long played super, if you notice, the fan always served ma long backspin, If it wasn't for this tactic, the fan wouldn't have won
Ma Long is always the G.O.A.T
@Mano Ferreira ı dont agree with you, ma long still good performance, remember Last year in 2019 ma long has had win world championship, but fan zhendong plays very good bachand, so fan can win ma long, similarly Wang hao too could win ma long, it is normal, ma long too human, fan zhendong good player but not as ma long, this year, in german open, dimitrij win fan zhendong, but any of europan player couldnt win ma long
This might be the first match I can say that Fan played a tactically more sound game than Ma Long. But firstly, I have got to give Ma major props for his performance, especially knowing all he went through with injuries. The way he played aggressively, and the speed he exhibited were absolutely phenomenal. This is not something we see from him all the time. Even against Wang Chuqin earlier, he didn't go all out. This is why I think this match mattered so much to Ma. He just played so intensely and seemingly gave it his all. And in the end, it was a close game. I feel like it almost came down to who had the greater momentum at the start of each game. With that being said, I feel like there were a couple of things that gave Fan an edge over Ma.
1. Placement. This might have been the biggest factor. There were so many times that Fan very efficiently utilized his backhand down the line to punish Ma for staying too close to the backhand side. He kept the ball short for the most part and pushed it long when he felt he could anticipate Ma's opening attacks and place them back where Ma wasn't standing.
2. Counters. This is a follow-up from the first point. Actually for many of the points, Ma opened the topspin rallies with really elegant forehands. But Fan was always able to return the ball on the table to move Ma around, or he was able to force backhand to backhand rallies where he had the upper hand.
3. Backhand. Wow is honestly how I'd describe it. From service return attacks to backhand rallies, Fan did it all. The versatility in his ability to change the pace and power on the ball as well as directionality was just astonishing. Without the backhand, I think the outcome would have been quite different. On that note, it's actually a testament to Ma's greatness. We all know he was never the most talented from the backhand side, yet he still manages to be the best in table tennis, so that speaks volumes to his other abilities.
4. Playing smart. Fan didn't go all out on every shot. He set up his next attacks and waited for the perfect placement. He made Ma uncomfortable with his backhand and increased power when he needed to. The balance of raw power and intricate placement was a key in this match.
Overall I loved this match, and I think we have all been looking forward to this matchup for some time now, so this was a major treat to watch! When the Olympics happen, there will be so much to look forward to.
KRUI - Always enjoy your analysis. Thank you.
@@meichoi9646 thank you for the kind comment!
Wide Forehand has been Ma Long's Achilles's heel since he returned from the injury.
Yes dude....i too notice that in past 2 years..
True, but it has improved hughly in the past 6 months. Now he would still be able to compete at olympics, looks like allmost back to his old self.
Very close match. Final olympic 2021
Maybe, maybe not.
are u sure fzd is going to olympics on single event?
@@ksojoel that's a great question since he lost to Liang in the trials! I think being current no.1 gives him some leeway.
I’m saying Harimoto VS. Fan Zhendong
@@tonyping2262 harimoto sucks
Watching this made me realize the difference between generations.
Ma Long/Xu Xin seem like the type of players to take the initiative in attack. They'll be deciding that it is now time to switch to an offensive and take the biggest gun in order to overpower you with a forehand you can't handle. Ma Long will more often than not mix in some chop blocks etc. Xu Xin will try to make up with footwork and try to be a resilient wall that always return those insane top/side forehands.
The success FZD has against them in particular is that he is fine with less flashy attacks and being on the receiving/countering end of the game. Like saying, sure throw that insane forehand at me and I'll be waiting in just the right spot to counter you in the direction you can't cover. You want to have a backhand jab fight to somewhat test out waters, not only will I mix up the amount of spin/speed on my backhands but if I feel you fall asleep in that jab fight I'll just wake you up with changing the direction.
Not sure if this was always his style or did he steered in that direction recently.
I noticed that Fan Zhendong whole body movement while doing the FH counterattack is actually going in a kind of downward direction. As if it was specifically designed and intended to. Because Ma Long's body movement seems to be mostly kind of rotational that is designed to go purely forward. And that forward energy that comes from Ma Long's top spins seem to be easy for a player like Fan Zhendong to respond to with his technique which uses his body to kind of go from upward position and then moving in a downward position in order for the ball to also go in that direction.
Indeed the sheer invisible variation in his backhand game is insane(ly efficient)
That is unbelievable good. Either can win really. Thank you Malong and Xiao Fang, you are my heroes.
That was an amazing match. Fan is a great blocker and counter attacker he always waits for ML to initiate the attack and use his power against him. I think ML needs to be patient and pick his shots maybe do some counter attacking of his own because Fan misses a lot when he tries to attack.
That style seems to suit him well against other countrymen. Mixing up spin/speed on bh and just countering the big guns or changing directions in a stalemate bh exchange.
Been a while since these legends clashed
What a match
The worlds top 2 are back
Wow... Both are beasts. One of the best match I have ever seen. FZ growing stronger day by day, but respect to ma..
Big Z does it again, love this match up but Xu Xin is still the could walker... and Ma long still strong what a team they will make in the Olympics
It is always an absolute delight to watch Ma & Fan in whatever their finals are.
Great game. ML plays this final game with a lot of attack variation between FH and BH compared to previous style where he execute more FH attack and BH as blocking.
FZD, finally, he got it now. Dare to phishing ML's FH to allow him to block to wide angle and keep positive mind set to aggressive and patience in attacking and blocking.
Congratulations to FZD, after 2 times defeated by ML, he finally made it on 3rd attempt.
Yup seems ma long finally integrated backhand attack game...we have to admit it he is now complete tt Play book ... what a player !!! What a technique !!! Pure control 😀
@@arunselvan280 There were few Ma Long's chop blocks that got him a point. It's something Fan Zhendong can't do is chop blocks which he tried to do at 6:10 and he failed. Not saying that chop blocks always work, in the first game Ma Long's chop blocks didn't work there. But later on did get him some points. If Fan Zhendong learnt the skill that Ma Long has with chop blocks he would be even a lot better player than now.
Does anyone agree that the camera ankle at 7:35 is the best for table tennis matches?
Watching the final few points, you know in the back hand to back hand rallies, that FZD is going to go to ML's forehand, you know it's coming, ML knows it's coming, and yet when it comes, ML just can't get there. Props to FZD. The dragon is showing its age. Still has some fire, but XiaoPang is all grown up.
Fan's mental game has improved
It's okay MA long,☺️☺️
FZD backhand down the line is on fire
Insane match! ML was winning a lot of BH x BH points, an incredible achievement given that it was against FZD. I'm glad Xiao Pang won this one, he just beat 2 of his nemesis.
The match should be called” the changing of the guard” ... ML ages quite a bit and FZD will be china’s #1 from now on competing in international matches..... but ML is and will always be the champion desertedly so!
かっけえ、、、
やっぱ憧れずにはいられんすなぁ
What a match .....i really enjoy it .....always MA LONG🔥🔥🔥🔥
世界卓球2017決勝を彷彿とさせる試合だった…
If there are any 2 players better than this pair I've never seen them...dynamite match
後半は上手い通り越して怖くなるレベル
優勝おめでとう🎉樊🎉
No champions here. Just two challengers. Beautiful.
2人とも進化し続けるなー。。。
Latest epic match! Ma crossed the boundaries with many epic shots. It was a win win situation for both the players. Missed Adam Bobrow for the commentary though.
After watching both Men’s and Women’s final, I decided that yellow is a winners’ colour.
At a moment I thought Ma long finally can win against Fan after he recover from injury, so sad for him !
chinese always hate fan...
I (38) just started to play Tabletennis, this looks so ridiculously and insane to me... 🙈
These guys are phenomenal..
the level in table tennis has very grow up...for Europe how they do for olympique 2021.
樊のカウンター率えぐち
未来見えてますね。
У МА Лона были такие классные фичи!!!, но... Поздравляю Фана
fan zhendong 💪💪👑👑
Wait why is Zheng Peifing in the coaching seat?
because this is not an international game, it's a domestic game where all participants are assigned and participate through their province teams, so coaches in the national team, like Wang Hao, can not participate. The team where Fan belongs is a military-affiliated team, which also counts as one of the province teams, and that team is currently undergoing some structural changes, so right now there are no coach available. Players from that team like Fan just ask their close friend to sit at the coaching seat for this tournament.
and as you can see Ma Long's coach is also not Qin, but Zhang Lei, his province team head coach.
Atomic Knight Because FZD attended the championship as a individual player, without couch and teamates.
Luar biasa permainannya malong
If Ma Long stays on the table I think he’s the best in the world 🥇 He has a habit of drifting to far to the left during rallies for his powerful forehand.
いい試合 どっちもどんどん強くなっていってますね
This game was totally crazy
Its a tough one nice game malong!
この2人はいつも熱い試合になるね！
So far, Ma Long’s set backs are only due to two reasons- 1. injury and 2. His forehand dependency. Since the COVID break, he’s free of injury and also he’s realized the drawbacks of only playing forehand most of the time. That’s why he’s now on fire. I doubt, even for at least 5 years Fan Zhendong may have to face his formidable challenge. I now think only injury and aging will stop GOAT 🐐 Long.
Come on ML. Getting stuck in the back hand to back hand pattern knowing FZD strategy by now...waiting for a decent ball to go parallel (straight) down the table for the winner. Watch FZD matches he win loads of points like that. ML thinking let him down there.
Long live MA "LONG"
Idk why people compare MLs backhand to FZDs backhand. Have you seen Malong BH in training? It destroys. The reason it seems underwhelming is because he mostly topspin drives to control the ball as he isn't a close to table player like FZD, but when ML decides to smack that BH you will not see it for sure. Same because of his foot injury he doesn't play as low to the ground therefore doesn't have the power he used to. Just watch some of his older training with LGY, even he has a hard time catching up to his third ball attack from ML's BH.
Also people ignore the fact that ML won some of his points acing or initiating with his BH in this match too.
It's like their training session, such a play
Finally FZD proved himself that he can win against Ma Long.
finally?^^ have you not been watching their rivalry past years?
mortuc1 In this kind of match like China national championships it was the first time
@@weijuntsin9319 not what ur original Statement implied tho
And what does the specific tournament even matter anyway...
@@mortuc1 Ma 13:4 Fan on ITTF tournaments! Until 2019 beginning was 12:1 for Ma Long. Last year 3:1 Fan
WEIJUN TSIN Fan achieved this same title against ML in 2014 when he‘s 17.
Does anyone know why Fan Zhendong is using pendulum rather than reverse pendulum serves these days?
it's looking bad for xu xin looking at fan zhendong and ma long. it will be hard for xu xin to play singles in olympics unless he step-up his game and improve his rpb.
XX gonna get those gold from doubles and mix doubles. Give the guy some rest haha
Am i wrong in observing that Ma Long leaves his right half of the table very exposed to attack and thats where his opponents score. Saw the same in this match and also with Xu Xin where Ma lost 4-0
Ma long deserve this match, ı think ma long played very good, result is unexpected, ı was amazed. Should've taken ma long when he was 3-2
馬龍衰えるどころか進化してってる笑
Battle in that 6th game!! Too good!
Ma Long loses so many points from the back hand exchanges down the forehand side. Kills him all the time, only a few times he reads it. Both guys are pushing each other pretty hard.
невероятный космос-эта игра двух крутых игроков!
非常非常精彩嘅一場比賽👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@Malong_Fanmade_Channel How frequent did you set the ad for that video? It's annoying!
great game ma long
Ma long committed many errors. This is very unlikely of him when he plays with fzd
That's a given. If you followed the documentaries on him previously. He forced himself to shadow train and rehabilitate his leg. So he lost some feel of the ball, but it is something he can gain back the more he plays again.
That and the fact that he doesn't rotate around the table as he is supposed to.
So until he feels he can fully commit he won't be back to his usual self. Unless he calls for that retirement.
So disqppointed for Ma. Still my favourite player but a long shot.
Fan only played intermittent serve, Wang hao advises persistently, ma long you can only beat like this, Ma long played well despite that, backhand fought well
dont know why ma long stick to fans backhnd during serve and rallies . In 6th set ma long could have finished the match putting more pressure on fan through his forehnd . he seems to be trying to best fan on backhnd which is not going to happen . fan is very comfortable there , changing the speed loop and direction of ball .
Wow. Thought Ma Long had it. But Fan placements are insane.
Brilliant..Cheers dude.. for an amazing match.
5:06 Ma Long dominating the game forcing Fan to serve the backhand
crazy backhand at the last set...
身体の衰えを受け入れたらチャレンジャー精神が復活したのか、格上食いに行くハイリスクスタイルの馬龍が過去最高レベルにカッコいい。
めちゃくちゃ身体キレてますよね。フォアの遠い球が取れなくなったのでバックを強化して両ハンドで攻め、回り込みはラリーに持ち込まれないように一撃でもっていくことを重視してる印象を受けました。結果的に若手がベテランに挑むような超攻撃スタイルになったのかなと勝手に妄想してます。
Fzd is backhand master,
malong generation gone
Backhand trend
Ma is not fast enough to cover the down the line by Fan. That's the real difference in this match. So many points went this way. Fan is simply a bit faster.
Ma Long looked like he was mentally and physically finished with fighting after the 6th set.
06:41 ma longs forhand fake and backhand shot
Man ... FZD's backhands are brutal
ma long just recover
馬龍太多失誤，感覺上佢打d 波威力好似無以前咁好，同埋打波既落點有d 單調
Great bakchand! Super precsie...
Super Fun!
どちらも後半に錆がとれてきた感じだったな。
Variation de rythme au programme pour revenir dans le match
That sixth game was so crucial to FAN
Malong used too less his forehand, that's the reason he lost, not sure what the reason is, injury or getting old?
he scare of fzd backhand thats why he always stanby at the left table..and fzd placement ball is super super scary
Ma long will Learn
Ma Long keeps the right side empty which will lead to easy games for Fan..
대단하다~ 차기 올림픽 단식 금메달의 주인공은 판젠동이 될듯
6:35 9:47 11:06 🔥🔥🔥👏
Ma long's forehand side of the table was too open
Though Ma Long's basic playing skills was very excellant , his playing style still was relatively dull and conservative. Sure enough, he finally lost to Fan Zhendong.
8:38 we all know what Timo whould have done
table tennis level: CHINESE
When you are fan of ML and FZD..
And then they're on the same stage 👀👀👀
Тот случай, когда слева вращают лучше чем справа ))
Ganhou de virada
FZD backhand had become more accurate
There were few Ma Long's chop blocks that got him a point. It's something Fan Zhendong can't do is chop blocks which he tried to do at 6:10 and he failed. Not saying that chop blocks always work, in the first game Ma Long's chop blocks didn't work there. But later on did get him some points. If Fan Zhendong learnt the skill that Ma Long has with chop blocks he would be even a lot better player than now.
Jochen Nikl That wasnt really a chop block. That was more a ”bending it like Gauzy”-backhand.
@@Abcdef12396 This was more of a sidespin block but it's still a block, it's just that it doesn't go to the left like with the chopblock but it goes to the right instead. Calling it "bending it like Gauzy" it's not even a proper name, it's simply a sidespin block or a "BH twister".
koki niwa king of chop block always lose at grouping...chop block is useless
raptor gaming Say that to Ma Long, Ma Lin or Xu Xin..
3:36 这弧线神了
парни, лайкните мне класс, чтобы китайцы подумали, что я что-то умное написал)
調子戻ったり悪くなったりシーソーゲームやったな
樊鎮東，破繭而出
09:46
Так и знал,что шустрый жёлтый Капитошка победит
If ma long had more fitness he would defeat fan zhengdong
Sorry, there is no "If" in table tennis!
@@tjhindjinkkhiam3548 bro ma long would definitely best fan Zhengdon just watch the 2017 world championship final
@@tabletennisgoosebumps1104
Now is 2020, everything has changed! Just eccept the reality, will you!
@@tabletennisgoosebumps1104 fan zhendong is 9 years younger than ma long. may be it is time
@@jqx4552 yes fan has advantage that he is younger he is more fast