this phrase is so fucking overused everytime I see/hear it, it makes me wanna commit Cliffjumper also another phrase overused, like "live long a hero to see yourself become the villain"
Honestly Soundwave did everything a Soundwave should do. Have a Decepticon symbol shaped head, be cool and do some spy or communications work. Is he on screen a ton? No, but he does what's required of him and it's in character. I guess people are upset he doesn't stand around and do nothing like in most other Continuities.
Honestly, I find it really smart how Soundwave is the one who wants to execute Bee in DoTM, considering Bee killed Ravage in RoTF, and Lazerbeak earlier in this film. As such, it would make sense that Soundwave would have a grudge against the yellow autobot, which makes it more ironic that Bee ended up killing Soundwave. Instead of avenging his pets, Soundwave became another victim of their killer, like poetry sorta, they ryhme.
What is so interesting about the Decepticons in that particular section of the ROTF movie is the fact that they would act as an actual, coordinated team of soldiers in order to revive Megatron. If the Decepticons worked as well as they do here, they would definitely obliterate us and the Autobots.
Soundwave in The G1 Movie is another actual example of headcanons, as the staff later gave the idea that Soundwave would have gone to get Megatron after he was ejected from Astrotrain, though that doesn't explain why he didn't protest Megatron being thrown out in the first place. Also, I love studio series 62 Soundwave for fusing the ROTF Alt Mode & the DOTM Robot Mode together into probably the best looking of the ROTF robot modes.
Also, here are several characters I would love to see defense videos for: Starscream (getting a video) The Twins Jetfire Drift Crosshairs Hound Lockdown Cogman Optimus Prime (ROTB)
Yes, it would be nice but not really necessary because Bayverse Starscream is almost the exact same character as in G1... I mean he is an idiot with awkward moments and only a few cool moments.
Bayverse Soundwave: • Utilizes hacking abilities to locate the top secret base where the Allspark shard is being kept, as well as Megatron’s resting place, while not even setting foot on Earth • Sends Ravage and Reedman down to Earth to retrieve the shard • Ravage participates in the revival of Megatron, bringing Scalpel and the shard down to the Laurentian Abyss • Commands Laserbeak to assassinate the human collaborators in DotM • Serves as ambassador for the entire professional relationship between Decepticons and humans • Disguises himself as a gift from Dylan Gould to infiltrate the Autobots, illustrating the core espionage component of the character • Voiced by Frank Welker Bumblebee Soundwave: • looks G1 • says “Ravage, eject” • not voiced by Frank Welker
Soundwave: "There are two ways this deal can be resolved, earth female: ways that you call the "easy way" and the "hard way." I suggest you make your choi-" *Sam's mom hangs up* Soundwave: "...The hard way it is."
I never understand why some fans say the BBM autobots and decepticons are better than the Bayverse ones when they have mere seconds of screen time. Just because you like a design more doesn’t equal better character.
Hypocrisy basically. They only liked it because all the characters looked G1, and there were no humans on screen. Meanwhile they forget how good the rest of the BBM actually is.
@@soundwavetheminiconcarrier And that's not saying much when most of the decepticons in the bayverse on MULTIPLE occasions only get a few seconds, if not only 5 minutes of screentime (if not less than that) and don't get alot of personality either despite getting more (by not alot on it's own) screentime. They get more potential to do more than the cybertron decepticons in bumblebee did and yet the bayverse does so little with most of it's cons.... Blackout for example is a iconic decepticon but only because he was the first live action transformer we saw. Not because his personality is so endearing. Add that with the fact he only got 3 minutes of screentime in a 2 hour film...you say liking a character design more doesn't make them a better character which is true, but giving no personality to a character doesn't make a better character either.
@@Jman92854 While I do agree the rest of bumblebee is still good, you literally have fans that will say *insert this bayverse character is better than their g1 counterpart cause they got a better design* and it's not just the bayverse. You have fans saying for ANY character with a non g1 (or even a modified g1) design and they'll say that character is better than their original counterpart. Even of the former has less personality than their g1 counterpart. The hypocrisy goes both ways, it ain't just g1 fans doing it. You got plenty of TF fans born in the 2000s doing it too.
@@Kaiju-bm4ts Yeah while some cons are important to the plot and the iconic 4 have personalities,most of them are just things for autobots to fight. ROTF is the best showcase of the Decepticons in the Bayverse.
@@soundwavetheminiconcarrier Eh...I gotta disagree, I feel like the 07 film despite not giving most of the cons (except megatron and maybe barricade) personalities (cause most didn't speak aside from saying 1 or 2 things), that film had the decepticons at their most fearsome and powerful. It made them hard and difficult to take down. Tf2 had the cons be easier to take down vs how they were in tf1 and devastator and the fallen? Probably the biggest wasted cons in that entire movie. You had a overpowered con and he was barely a presence in the film, even megatron as a side villain felt more endearing (despite being slightly weaker) meanwhile devastator just....all he did was eat, climb a pyramid, eat some more and die. He could of been a new original combiner and nothing would be different.
You changed my mind on everything about Soundwave except for his design in DOTM, and that it looks like he's shorter then bumblebee, I now realise how important and big he was. Also I like to think that since Soundwave is so good at getting info in ROTF he found out that Weelie turned sides and just said screw him.
After watching your Shockwave defense video and finding a very interesting and passionate perspective about the character, even if I did not agree with everything you presented, I knew I had to watch this one. Even if there still are some things that I don't agree with entirely, I think you nailed it at your explanation on why Soundwave works properly in the Bayverse films and how he is a pivotal character to the story. I have always liked this Soundwave, but I do appreciate the factors you pointed out throughout the video, keep it up! And on an unrelated note: Even though I love Soundwave’s design in the Bumblebee Movie, DOTM Soundwave is my favorite design of the character of all time.
A transformer as a satellite is just such a cool concept and in the movie it looks even cooler than I even imagined. I love him and unfortunately forgot he existed until this video. Great video!
Shockwave and Soundwave are probably my favourite Decepticons. Unlike Starscream, both are 100% loyal to Megatron. No wonder he trusts them so much. Also imao both are badass especially Shockwave.
Soundwaves voice in the live action movies is the same as it was in g1, just without the audio filter. There are some scenes in the g1 series where they forget to add soundwaves audio filter, and it’s the same as movie soundwave, and claw from inspector gadget (who frank also voiced).
Wdym? he proved how smart and loyal he is in Rotf as a satellite.He was the only decepticon that could work well with humans which also shows how intelligent he is and he's one of the most Strong and badass decepticons.
Another great video, as expected. I do hope you continue to set the record straight on more misunderstood Bayverse transformers, as there are many others that would do well to have this kind of long-form video devoted to them. If I were to suggest a transformer for you to cover in the future, I’d have to go with Lockdown. His misunderstood nature is quite different from Shockwave and Soundwave as he was the main villain of AOE and got plenty of screen time; rather, I feel his identity is something even defenders of him don’t have a true grasp on, with this surrounding him commonly being referred to as a bounty hunter. I don’t believe this is correct, though I do understand the confusion as characters in the film call him a bounty hunter and he doesn’t call himself anything else. The evidence that points to his true nature revolves around his association with the Creators, which is limited as their plot thread wasn’t followed up on, but there is still enough to come to certain conclusions. One of these conclusions is that they didn’t hire Lockdown, that he is instead their servant. I could go into great detail as to the evidence that supports this, but as I don’t want to stuff an hour long video’s worth of information into a single CZcams comment, I’ll just focus on the fact that there obviously hasn’t been a bounty placed on Optimus Prime with an offer of a reward in exchange for him. Lockdown says to Optimus that he’s been hunting the Knights for centuries, with this hunt leading him to acquire their ship which he turned into his own “personal prison” filled with trophies. Now, since we know practically nothing about the Knights it’s hard to say under what circumstances Lockdown acquired the ship, but what should be questioned is why Lockdown didn’t go after Optimus sooner if he’d been sending messages out to space that other Cybertronians heard and Lockdown could travel to Earth at light speed. There is an answer to this though that comes in the form of Lockdown explaining to Optimus that the Creators want to “sweep their chessboard clean” by having all their creations' lives be “extinguished” as Optimus later describes to the Dinobots. If the Creators wanted all the Autobots and Decepticons dead and they were already at war with each other, then they’d find it in their interest to have this war continue until both sides' forces are effectively depleted and they become easy targets. This connects to keeping Optimus in the fight as without a leader the Autobot faction would’ve likely lost sooner and the Creators’ enforcement branch would’ve had to have contended with more Decepticons in their clean up efforts. It was all a tactical decision made from the shadows, but one question still remains: what is this enforcement branch that hunts down fugitive transformers? Well, I believe the vehicon-like robots that assist Lockdown are part of it, along with Lockdown himself who is just a more specialized model. Lockdown didn’t choose to hunt the Knights, he was ordered to. He even says: “Autobots, Decepticons. Like little children. Always fighting. Making a mess out of the universe. Then I’ve got to clean it up…” Notice how he says “got to” instead of something more casual like “they pay me to” or “I always find myself having to” or something along those lines. This points to him just being another arm of the Creators instead of his own boss, but now I throw it out to you Blotzwave. Does this peak your interest at all?
It would have been fucking metal if Soundwave ripping Dino’s head off did make it into the film. It’s not the most “Soundwave-y” thing to do, but it would have made him stand out a lot more than he already does in the films, especially doing it mid “trophy” line.
Honestly I'd love to see you make a video about "Why The Human Characters Matter" in Transformers media, not just the bayverse. Like in terms of live action, it grounds the action, and they make what's happening on screen feel real. But also there's that subtextual element that the humans and Transformers aren't so different. People always say that there's no point in having human characters, and they just wanna see robots punch each other, but, in my opinion, the humans are so important.
The bay movies were what first got me into transformers as a whole but it was Prime that made me love the universe of transformers as a whole, which is probably why soundwave in Prime and by extension the bayverse were my favourite transformer. Well… that was until Predaking came along, ALL HAIL THE KING!!!!
Another fantastic video! I really look forward to future videos. I'd love to see you do a video on Bonecrusher! Out of all the Decepticon pawns I've always viewed Bonecrusher as one of the strongest, and it was his actions that turned the tide of the city fight by delaying Optimus. He knew exactly what he was up against and knew how to get under Optimus' skin. Optimus was already starting to put on the brakes before Bonecrusher transformed, Bonecrusher knew Optimus would be bothered with his violent actions. I don't believe Bonecrusher could ever beat Optimus, but considering the amount of damage he could take from the auto-bot leader I bet he would have lasted longer if he had not been so careless and stuck the landing from that fall. Also his claw is just too cool, Optimus had to take cover from it, I think that says enough
Honestly I do like the idea of soundwave in the bayverse films. The idea that he was technically the first ever decepticon to roam earth and that he was there ever since the first film does have a lot of potential. I will admit as well that his cassette tapes, especially laserbeak have some of the more darker and creepier moments in the bayverse films, not gonna lie the scene where he turns into a pink bumblebee to kill an entire family absolutely terrified me as a kid. If the rest of the decepticons had more moments like that, then they would’ve definitely been a lot more memorable as antagonists.
Fantastic work on another epic video bro! Really good in depth research and God rest Mirage's voice actor's soul. Makes a lot of sense as to why they didn't include Soundwave's finishing move on his character
Amazing video on the bayverse soundwave i love both of he's movie designs from TF2 and TF3 I'm looking forward to more of your videos from the bayverse movies keep it up 👍🔥🔥 i agree with you there you are speaking facts
Great video man!!!! I had the “Soundwave doesn’t do anything in ROTF” debate with a friend of mine. What it basically boiled down to (for him) was whining that Soundwave never made an appearance on earth and fought anyone so his role in the story was minimal. Which is a load of crap, a character doesn’t need to be boot on the ground for their role to be significant to the story being told. As you so expertly pointed out, in a way which I wish I had said to my friend then. (Sending this video to him btw)
i love these videos just cause they make me realize the scope of just how much the individual characters actually do in these movies, and how it's much bigger than the screen time they have
I always liked Bay Soundwave, and I like BBM Soundwave and their designs. Also, the argument transformers fans have is weird to me. I understand both arguments, but I believe the characters should keep traits to their designs just like Marvel and DC characters' designs. we've seen the same designs over and over for years, and nobody complaints about them only in the transformers fandom
I still think his death was underwhelming, you convinced me on Shockwave, but Soundwave went out too easy. As did Starscream and Megatron. My standard for this is Brawl (or Devastator, if you prefer) if a Combaticon is powerful enough to tank three Autobots, then those in positions of command in the Decepticons should take at least Optimus to bring down. I also would argue the Bumblebee portrayal is better. You have used further context yourself in this video, so in the context of the film, Megatron is absent (whether on Earth or elsewhere on Cybertron is up for debate) so his lieutenants are leading the war. Under this context, Shockwave/Soundwave (maybe Starscream) sharing power have beaten the Autobots on Cybertron, and Optimus himself is shown visibly concerned by their presence. This is a sticking point in the Bayverse as the films progressed. Where in 1, every Autobot spoke of Megatron with fear, and the policy was to retreat in his presence, or Ironhide specifically noting that Starscream's presence is something to be concerned about, this didn't continue much as the series went on. Overall though, good video. Altered my perspective on Soundwave, but didn't quite change it.
There was actually a custom SSDOTM Soundwave I say online some time ago with a dark blue and yellow paint scheme as well as a mask to better match his G1 design. I have to say it makes the character look WAY better as it’s my only real complaint with DOTM Soundwave design.
it feels like you've taken inspiration from mauler which is great cuz i love mauler's methods of media analysis. as a transformers fan as well this is just a wonderful channel to find lol
Imma be so real, I haven't touched these two movies in forever (and admittedly I didn't know that Soundwave was in either of them). I'm gonna have to go back and watch em to enjoy this Soundwave! Though I'm not the biggest fan of his designs, I don't think they're bad at all. I think a traditional mouth on him is kinda silly, and admittedly that's the only thing I'd change. Great video as always!
We need more defenders for the bayverse, it's 2024, it's the 40th anniversary of transformers, it's time to shut these haters up, they have hating on it before it was filmed
Hi while I was not necessarily a fan of soundwave in the movies but this video changed my mind on the character I guess I took a different pov to my mind and understood what made the bayformers characters good and for that thank you
Since I scene Transformers 2 and 3 for Soundwave and this video, Here are my top 5 favorite version of the character Soundwave in my opinion: 5. Animated 4. ROTF 3. Cyberverse 2. DOTM 1. Prime
I got so hyped for this video my autistic ass had to pace around a bit before i could watch. Your videos are so well put together and in depth these movies were one of my childhood fixations
Please please please make a bayverse timeline Your the only youtuber who actually cares and knows what hes talking abouts I haven't watched any of these movies in years and when i did they were just cool robot movies then lol Ive been looking for a proper lore video for years now
When I was a kid, the Mercedes SLS AMG was and is still one of my favorite cars cuz of this dude. Then the more research I did on Soundwave in the cartoons and films as a whole, I absolutely loved Soundwave to death, his ROTF was AWESOME, but his DOTM design is my favorite design of any of the transformers, and is my favorite Soundwave design genuinely, I had a lot of connection to him, even begging for the Human Alliance DOTM Soundwave for christmas every year haha, and his voice in both movies is ❤
Great video! Always liked that Soundwave had actual sound attacks rather than just loud as hell noises. One thing to note, in his battle with Bumblebee, Bumbmebee shot off his leg and sent him tumbling into him. So points to Soundwave about to decapitate Bumblebee while missing a limb. Ever thought about doing a “Why you’re wrong about Starscream video”, so people hate on him for being weak in the series. Or a Why you’re right about Galvatron since he’s really just that bad.
Starscream next: he’s not as loyal as people make him out to be. He’s also the jet who fires at megatron in the 07 movie. Reason I know this? He literally dispatched the 1st 3 jets in like 2 seconds🤣 it wouldn’t have been hard to get rid of the other 2 in less time. Leaving scream with the perfect opportunity to target megs in disguise. ( he also gets away with this)… Also notice the difference in how confident starscream is throughout the trilogy. 1st one he’s loud and proud, 2nd one he’s scared because he thinks megs knows what he did. And in the 3rd he literally taunts megatron in the scene in Africa. (Pay attention to his tone in the scene towards megs)
I get why people want to believe Starscream is the one who fired on Megatron, but it’s not the case. Starscream thought about it, but didn’t. It’s in the first issue of Reign of Starscream.
I love your videos and they have made me appreciate the Bayverse movies a lot more! I think you're one of the best transformers creators out there! Keep up the great work! 🦾🤖 Also I'd like to see a defense of Optimus Prime or Megatron in the Bayverse since I see a lot of people saying they don't fit the characters or they're just bad and I'd like to hear your opinion.
i always thought that soundwave was under utilized in the movies, i loved him and all but i this video made me appreciate him so much more. very unfortunate that the mirage scene had to be re-written last second (very understandable why they did it tho)
After being shown both head designs so often over the course of the video, I think I’ve come to actually prefer the DOTM design! Because… it’s a bat. I’m shocked I never noticed it before. Look at the snout and those massive ears. He’s a bat! Animals known for navigating using *soundwaves*. That’s such a cool detail
Ye another good video, I never really mind soundwave in the bayverse, he is another one of my favourites and I didn’t mind this appearance of him. And have you heard of that theory that the reason Bumblebee targeted his chest was because that’s where the rest of his minicons would like in the G1 cartoon, I never really bought it. Also do you plan to do another decepticon for your next defence video or will you move on to some of the autobots like the wreckers or any of the aoe autobots
When he said how much he likes the prime design I realised th love action Soundwave is halfway mix of g1 and prime the best loved designs! See it?? 1☆¤♡
Absolutely love the fact people are still able to recognise that aspects of the OG characters still shine through despite the negative rep Bayverse has gained.
Rewatching these movies recently, another thing I really liked from DoTM was Laserbeak's voice. While I personally prefer Laserbeak not speaking, I'm definitely stealing that voice for my interpretation of Buzzsaw. I also really enjoy Soundwave's satellite alt-mode, it just fits so well.
First off excellent video just as awesome as your Shockwave video, but it surprises me anyone somehow misunderstood and after thinking back on the film you didn't at any point mention any headcannon.
what you said about Soundwave in the Bumblebee movie is a really good point. I believe that the only reason people think that Soundwave is better is based on how the character looks and sounds. They don't take into consideration that Soundwave doesn't really do anything of significance, unlike Soundwave in ROTF & DOTM. It's a problem when like 90% of Transformers "fans" are "Geewuners" that are incapable of accepting change.
These videos are fantastic. They breathe new life into these films and increase my enjoyment of them. Most of your arguments hold strong, but the ones about screen-time are rather weak. You cite other texts and real world complications in defense of both Shockwave and Soundwave, however I'm not convinced either of these hold up. The quality of a text and the characters it presents should not be gagued by the way the characters are presented in other texts. While a character may seldom appear in other texts, that is equally a flaw in those texts as it is in this one. It could be argued that they have always been side-characters, however they hold major importance to the plot of the Bay films, which is undermined by their side-character level of screen time. There are, of course, a number of real world conditions which made it impossible for these characters to have an extended screen-time: the strikes, and budget/quality of the CGI. It is absolutely true that the creators' hands were tied. But no strike or monitary restrictions will ever make a character of such importance deserving of such little screen-time. These conditions explain the screen-time, but do not justify the screen-time. The characters are hindered by their lack of screen-time whether or not the creators were capable of giving it to them.
One thing to point out is that the Decepticons actually were not without a leader during that time between DOTM and the last knight. While Megatron was away it was Barricade who was left in command since unfortunately both Shockwave and Soundwave were out of the picture at that point.
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It's simple; soundwave was playing chess. Nearly everyone else was playing checkers.
this phrase is so fucking overused everytime I see/hear it, it makes me wanna commit Cliffjumper
also another phrase overused, like "live long a hero to see yourself become the villain"
What does that mean?
@@mohammadhossain9608 It means soundwave is a genius, if you were talking to me.
@@fduranthesee womp wonp
@@robintiki8081 I get that he's a genius but i didn't understand the chess and checkers comparision as i don't play these.
Soundwave superior. Haters inferior.
@@squareguy5353 real bro
Good TFP reference (Idk if it appeared in other series so I just assumed)
@@LastGoatKnightdude, thats an 86 movie reference
@@squareguy5353 facts my guy.
This soundwave being an alien satellite is so fitting. Makes him peak in my opinion, best soundwave alt mode
makes sense too, he is the communications officer in some incarnations, him being a satelite just makes sense
@@blastbot7339 Also works that he is the Decepticons Eyes and Ears and this shows that he see everything happening with the autobots.
@@mohammadhossain9608 he’s the communications officer in most interpretations, really
Absolutely! Maybe only one realy makes sense/fits properly!?! 😁
@@anakinlowground5515 What I meant that his rotf form is easily can be used for hacking satelite and stuff and ik he's the communications officer.
Honestly Soundwave did everything a Soundwave should do. Have a Decepticon symbol shaped head, be cool and do some spy or communications work.
Is he on screen a ton? No, but he does what's required of him and it's in character. I guess people are upset he doesn't stand around and do nothing like in most other Continuities.
Honestly, I find it really smart how Soundwave is the one who wants to execute Bee in DoTM, considering Bee killed Ravage in RoTF, and Lazerbeak earlier in this film. As such, it would make sense that Soundwave would have a grudge against the yellow autobot, which makes it more ironic that Bee ended up killing Soundwave. Instead of avenging his pets, Soundwave became another victim of their killer, like poetry sorta, they ryhme.
It also makes that conflict: Sams Car (Bumblebee) vs his Rivals car that he gifts to carly (Soundwave) go full circle yk
What is so interesting about the Decepticons in that particular section of the ROTF movie is the fact that they would act as an actual, coordinated team of soldiers in order to revive Megatron. If the Decepticons worked as well as they do here, they would definitely obliterate us and the Autobots.
But sadly plot armor exists
Soundwave superior autobots inferior
Damn straight
Lol yeah
@@Nobelsix-li1qg YES
Soundwave in The G1 Movie is another actual example of headcanons, as the staff later gave the idea that Soundwave would have gone to get Megatron after he was ejected from Astrotrain, though that doesn't explain why he didn't protest Megatron being thrown out in the first place. Also, I love studio series 62 Soundwave for fusing the ROTF Alt Mode & the DOTM Robot Mode together into probably the best looking of the ROTF robot modes.
Also, here are several characters I would love to see defense videos for:
Starscream (getting a video)
The Twins
Jetfire
Drift
Crosshairs
Hound
Lockdown
Cogman
Optimus Prime (ROTB)
@@yonderjamima be so real. I LOVE the rotf twins
@@yonderjam some of these characters cant be defended lol
@@yonderjam there is literally nothing redeeming for the twins. We're right about them
Cap. The original ROTF soundwave toy is absolutely *superior*
Not only have you changed my mind about Shockwave, but now you’ve made me think differently about Soundwave too. Very impressive.
Doing Bayverse Starscream justice could be nice
Agreed
Yes, it would be nice but not really necessary because Bayverse Starscream is almost the exact same character as in G1... I mean he is an idiot with awkward moments and only a few cool moments.
We love the metallic doritio
Movie Starscream’s shining moment is truly in the comics tbh
@@Im.A1ex He's pretty cool in the first movie.
Bayverse Soundwave:
• Utilizes hacking abilities to locate the top secret base where the Allspark shard is being kept, as well as Megatron’s resting place, while not even setting foot on Earth
• Sends Ravage and Reedman down to Earth to retrieve the shard
• Ravage participates in the revival of Megatron, bringing Scalpel and the shard down to the Laurentian Abyss
• Commands Laserbeak to assassinate the human collaborators in DotM
• Serves as ambassador for the entire professional relationship between Decepticons and humans
• Disguises himself as a gift from Dylan Gould to infiltrate the Autobots, illustrating the core espionage component of the character
• Voiced by Frank Welker
Bumblebee Soundwave:
• looks G1
• says “Ravage, eject”
• not voiced by Frank Welker
38:19 bro got hanged up on and immediately sent out the gang
Soundwave: "There are two ways this deal can be resolved, earth female: ways that you call the "easy way" and the "hard way." I suggest you make your choi-"
*Sam's mom hangs up*
Soundwave: "...The hard way it is."
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY !!!
I never understand why some fans say the BBM autobots and decepticons are better than the Bayverse ones when they have mere seconds of screen time. Just because you like a design more doesn’t equal better character.
Hypocrisy basically. They only liked it because all the characters looked G1, and there were no humans on screen. Meanwhile they forget how good the rest of the BBM actually is.
@@soundwavetheminiconcarrier And that's not saying much when most of the decepticons in the bayverse on MULTIPLE occasions only get a few seconds, if not only 5 minutes of screentime (if not less than that) and don't get alot of personality either despite getting more (by not alot on it's own) screentime. They get more potential to do more than the cybertron decepticons in bumblebee did and yet the bayverse does so little with most of it's cons....
Blackout for example is a iconic decepticon but only because he was the first live action transformer we saw. Not because his personality is so endearing. Add that with the fact he only got 3 minutes of screentime in a 2 hour film...you say liking a character design more doesn't make them a better character which is true, but giving no personality to a character doesn't make a better character either.
@@Jman92854 While I do agree the rest of bumblebee is still good, you literally have fans that will say *insert this bayverse character is better than their g1 counterpart cause they got a better design* and it's not just the bayverse. You have fans saying for ANY character with a non g1 (or even a modified g1) design and they'll say that character is better than their original counterpart. Even of the former has less personality than their g1 counterpart.
The hypocrisy goes both ways, it ain't just g1 fans doing it. You got plenty of TF fans born in the 2000s doing it too.
@@Kaiju-bm4ts Yeah while some cons are important to the plot and the iconic 4 have personalities,most of them are just things for autobots to fight. ROTF is the best showcase of the Decepticons in the Bayverse.
@@soundwavetheminiconcarrier Eh...I gotta disagree, I feel like the 07 film despite not giving most of the cons (except megatron and maybe barricade) personalities (cause most didn't speak aside from saying 1 or 2 things), that film had the decepticons at their most fearsome and powerful. It made them hard and difficult to take down. Tf2 had the cons be easier to take down vs how they were in tf1 and devastator and the fallen? Probably the biggest wasted cons in that entire movie.
You had a overpowered con and he was barely a presence in the film, even megatron as a side villain felt more endearing (despite being slightly weaker) meanwhile devastator just....all he did was eat, climb a pyramid, eat some more and die. He could of been a new original combiner and nothing would be different.
You changed my mind on everything about Soundwave except for his design in DOTM, and that it looks like he's shorter then bumblebee, I now realise how important and big he was. Also I like to think that since Soundwave is so good at getting info in ROTF he found out that Weelie turned sides and just said screw him.
After watching your Shockwave defense video and finding a very interesting and passionate perspective about the character, even if I did not agree with everything you presented, I knew I had to watch this one.
Even if there still are some things that I don't agree with entirely, I think you nailed it at your explanation on why Soundwave works properly in the Bayverse films and how he is a pivotal character to the story. I have always liked this Soundwave, but I do appreciate the factors you pointed out throughout the video, keep it up!
And on an unrelated note: Even though I love Soundwave’s design in the Bumblebee Movie, DOTM Soundwave is my favorite design of the character of all time.
this video is so good i can feel soundwave coming inside me 😭
Ayo
I wish the Soundwave would also come inside me
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i beg your finest mcduckin pardon
Oil up then
A transformer as a satellite is just such a cool concept and in the movie it looks even cooler than I even imagined. I love him and unfortunately forgot he existed until this video. Great video!
Shockwave and Soundwave are probably my favourite Decepticons. Unlike Starscream, both are 100% loyal to Megatron. No wonder he trusts them so much. Also imao both are badass especially Shockwave.
PLEASE do Optimus! I’m so sick of people saying he’s a psychotic murderer that enjoys killing Decepticons.
Talon productions already made a video about it
You should watch Talon Production, he made a video about it. Pretty cool guy too
@@J.M.I_Filmmaker I saw that video too. I’d just like to watch another perspective.
@@PhantomOverlord that does make sense
This has been overdone. Many people have already done this. It's getting to repetitive
Soundwaves voice in the live action movies is the same as it was in g1, just without the audio filter. There are some scenes in the g1 series where they forget to add soundwaves audio filter, and it’s the same as movie soundwave, and claw from inspector gadget (who frank also voiced).
0:09 THATS ME🫵
Soundwave 🤝Shockwave
Can’t wait to see you defend bayverse devastator
"I am under the enemy scrotum"
“Deepest wang, gif of shuhua milk” I’m dead
*god. Gosh dang it
"It is code pink, as in Floyd
Wdym? he proved how smart and loyal he is in Rotf as a satellite.He was the only decepticon that could work well with humans which also shows how intelligent he is and he's one of the most Strong and badass decepticons.
Best boy Soundwave.
Another great video, as expected. I do hope you continue to set the record straight on more misunderstood Bayverse transformers, as there are many others that would do well to have this kind of long-form video devoted to them. If I were to suggest a transformer for you to cover in the future, I’d have to go with Lockdown. His misunderstood nature is quite different from Shockwave and Soundwave as he was the main villain of AOE and got plenty of screen time; rather, I feel his identity is something even defenders of him don’t have a true grasp on, with this surrounding him commonly being referred to as a bounty hunter. I don’t believe this is correct, though I do understand the confusion as characters in the film call him a bounty hunter and he doesn’t call himself anything else. The evidence that points to his true nature revolves around his association with the Creators, which is limited as their plot thread wasn’t followed up on, but there is still enough to come to certain conclusions. One of these conclusions is that they didn’t hire Lockdown, that he is instead their servant. I could go into great detail as to the evidence that supports this, but as I don’t want to stuff an hour long video’s worth of information into a single CZcams comment, I’ll just focus on the fact that there obviously hasn’t been a bounty placed on Optimus Prime with an offer of a reward in exchange for him. Lockdown says to Optimus that he’s been hunting the Knights for centuries, with this hunt leading him to acquire their ship which he turned into his own “personal prison” filled with trophies. Now, since we know practically nothing about the Knights it’s hard to say under what circumstances Lockdown acquired the ship, but what should be questioned is why Lockdown didn’t go after Optimus sooner if he’d been sending messages out to space that other Cybertronians heard and Lockdown could travel to Earth at light speed. There is an answer to this though that comes in the form of Lockdown explaining to Optimus that the Creators want to “sweep their chessboard clean” by having all their creations' lives be “extinguished” as Optimus later describes to the Dinobots. If the Creators wanted all the Autobots and Decepticons dead and they were already at war with each other, then they’d find it in their interest to have this war continue until both sides' forces are effectively depleted and they become easy targets. This connects to keeping Optimus in the fight as without a leader the Autobot faction would’ve likely lost sooner and the Creators’ enforcement branch would’ve had to have contended with more Decepticons in their clean up efforts. It was all a tactical decision made from the shadows, but one question still remains: what is this enforcement branch that hunts down fugitive transformers? Well, I believe the vehicon-like robots that assist Lockdown are part of it, along with Lockdown himself who is just a more specialized model. Lockdown didn’t choose to hunt the Knights, he was ordered to. He even says:
“Autobots, Decepticons. Like little children. Always fighting. Making a mess out of the universe. Then I’ve got to clean it up…”
Notice how he says “got to” instead of something more casual like “they pay me to” or “I always find myself having to” or something along those lines. This points to him just being another arm of the Creators instead of his own boss, but now I throw it out to you Blotzwave. Does this peak your interest at all?
It would have been fucking metal if Soundwave ripping Dino’s head off did make it into the film. It’s not the most “Soundwave-y” thing to do, but it would have made him stand out a lot more than he already does in the films, especially doing it mid “trophy” line.
babe wake up blotzwave posted another transformers vid‼️‼️
A 1 hour blotzwave video? Splendid :D
Honestly I'd love to see you make a video about "Why The Human Characters Matter" in Transformers media, not just the bayverse. Like in terms of live action, it grounds the action, and they make what's happening on screen feel real. But also there's that subtextual element that the humans and Transformers aren't so different. People always say that there's no point in having human characters, and they just wanna see robots punch each other, but, in my opinion, the humans are so important.
The bay movies were what first got me into transformers as a whole but it was Prime that made me love the universe of transformers as a whole, which is probably why soundwave in Prime and by extension the bayverse were my favourite transformer.
Well… that was until Predaking came along, ALL HAIL THE KING!!!!
That "oh fuck no" around 35 cracked me up. You're so right that Soundwave's FIRST action if Starscream took over would be to stop it immediately.
The fact you actually persuaded me to love this version is outlandish. (Thank you lol)
Another fantastic video! I really look forward to future videos. I'd love to see you do a video on Bonecrusher! Out of all the Decepticon pawns I've always viewed Bonecrusher as one of the strongest, and it was his actions that turned the tide of the city fight by delaying Optimus. He knew exactly what he was up against and knew how to get under Optimus' skin. Optimus was already starting to put on the brakes before Bonecrusher transformed, Bonecrusher knew Optimus would be bothered with his violent actions. I don't believe Bonecrusher could ever beat Optimus, but considering the amount of damage he could take from the auto-bot leader I bet he would have lasted longer if he had not been so careless and stuck the landing from that fall.
Also his claw is just too cool, Optimus had to take cover from it, I think that says enough
Honestly I do like the idea of soundwave in the bayverse films. The idea that he was technically the first ever decepticon to roam earth and that he was there ever since the first film does have a lot of potential. I will admit as well that his cassette tapes, especially laserbeak have some of the more darker and creepier moments in the bayverse films, not gonna lie the scene where he turns into a pink bumblebee to kill an entire family absolutely terrified me as a kid. If the rest of the decepticons had more moments like that, then they would’ve definitely been a lot more memorable as antagonists.
Madre Mía, Blotz
1 whole hour of Blotzwave praising the Bayverse?
BABY LET'S GO 😎
My favourite Transformer
Would love to see a video on Starscream. Love the video and can't wait for more.
Fantastic work on another epic video bro! Really good in depth research and God rest Mirage's voice actor's soul. Makes a lot of sense as to why they didn't include Soundwave's finishing move on his character
I admire your analysis this video really made me like bay soundwave even more
The next transformers bayverse video should be titled "And him aswell" 😂
Amazing video on the bayverse soundwave i love both of he's movie designs from TF2 and TF3 I'm looking forward to more of your videos from the bayverse movies keep it up 👍🔥🔥 i agree with you there you are speaking facts
Great video man!!!!
I had the “Soundwave doesn’t do anything in ROTF” debate with a friend of mine. What it basically boiled down to (for him) was whining that Soundwave never made an appearance on earth and fought anyone so his role in the story was minimal.
Which is a load of crap, a character doesn’t need to be boot on the ground for their role to be significant to the story being told. As you so expertly pointed out, in a way which I wish I had said to my friend then. (Sending this video to him btw)
i love these videos just cause they make me realize the scope of just how much the individual characters actually do in these movies, and how it's much bigger than the screen time they have
Bro causally dropping another banger again
I'm loving the justice videos for Bay Cons.
I always liked Bay Soundwave, and I like BBM Soundwave and their designs. Also, the argument transformers fans have is weird to me. I understand both arguments, but I believe the characters should keep traits to their designs just like Marvel and DC characters' designs. we've seen the same designs over and over for years, and nobody complaints about them only in the transformers fandom
Soundwave was one of my favorite deceptions as I thought he was so awesomely creepy with a cool design
I still think his death was underwhelming, you convinced me on Shockwave, but Soundwave went out too easy. As did Starscream and Megatron.
My standard for this is Brawl (or Devastator, if you prefer) if a Combaticon is powerful enough to tank three Autobots, then those in positions of command in the Decepticons should take at least Optimus to bring down.
I also would argue the Bumblebee portrayal is better. You have used further context yourself in this video, so in the context of the film, Megatron is absent (whether on Earth or elsewhere on Cybertron is up for debate) so his lieutenants are leading the war. Under this context, Shockwave/Soundwave (maybe Starscream) sharing power have beaten the Autobots on Cybertron, and Optimus himself is shown visibly concerned by their presence.
This is a sticking point in the Bayverse as the films progressed. Where in 1, every Autobot spoke of Megatron with fear, and the policy was to retreat in his presence, or Ironhide specifically noting that Starscream's presence is something to be concerned about, this didn't continue much as the series went on.
Overall though, good video. Altered my perspective on Soundwave, but didn't quite change it.
Soundwaves always a favorite of mine regardless of which transformers he is in such a unique character
I think the role soundwace had in the movies just fits him. He is the deceptocon spy. With his army of smaller Minions to help on his missions
There was actually a custom SSDOTM Soundwave I say online some time ago with a dark blue and yellow paint scheme as well as a mask to better match his G1 design. I have to say it makes the character look WAY better as it’s my only real complaint with DOTM Soundwave design.
it feels like you've taken inspiration from mauler which is great cuz i love mauler's methods of media analysis. as a transformers fan as well this is just a wonderful channel to find lol
Imma be so real, I haven't touched these two movies in forever (and admittedly I didn't know that Soundwave was in either of them). I'm gonna have to go back and watch em to enjoy this Soundwave! Though I'm not the biggest fan of his designs, I don't think they're bad at all. I think a traditional mouth on him is kinda silly, and admittedly that's the only thing I'd change. Great video as always!
Honestly we need on of starscream and megatron your videos are just so good and give this characters justice
"deepest wang" actually made me laugh!
It's time Blotzwave to do either Megatron or Optimus the most disputed characters of the bayverse
The next one could you make one of Starscream?
ANOTHER ONE! AND FOR SOUNDWAVE, SIMPLY AMAZING!
We need more defenders for the bayverse, it's 2024, it's the 40th anniversary of transformers, it's time to shut these haters up, they have hating on it before it was filmed
Hi while I was not necessarily a fan of soundwave in the movies but this video changed my mind on the character I guess I took a different pov to my mind and understood what made the bayformers characters good and for that thank you
LET'S GOOOOO NEW UPLOAD.
I've recently gotten into your content and it's fresh. I would gladly watch this as a series
I have never realized Dylan actually died, i always thought he was the one who yells ''The Pillar is still connected''-
Since I scene Transformers 2 and 3 for Soundwave and this video, Here are my top 5 favorite version of the character Soundwave in my opinion:
5. Animated
4. ROTF
3. Cyberverse
2. DOTM
1. Prime
Farari said Mirage could only be in the movie if he doesn't use guns and doesn't die 58:42
I got so hyped for this video my autistic ass had to pace around a bit before i could watch. Your videos are so well put together and in depth these movies were one of my childhood fixations
Please please please make a bayverse timeline
Your the only youtuber who actually cares and knows what hes talking abouts
I haven't watched any of these movies in years and when i did they were just cool robot movies then lol
Ive been looking for a proper lore video for years now
When I was a kid, the Mercedes SLS AMG was and is still one of my favorite cars cuz of this dude. Then the more research I did on Soundwave in the cartoons and films as a whole, I absolutely loved Soundwave to death, his ROTF was AWESOME, but his DOTM design is my favorite design of any of the transformers, and is my favorite Soundwave design genuinely, I had a lot of connection to him, even begging for the Human Alliance DOTM Soundwave for christmas every year haha, and his voice in both movies is ❤
Great video! Always liked that Soundwave had actual sound attacks rather than just loud as hell noises.
One thing to note, in his battle with Bumblebee, Bumbmebee shot off his leg and sent him tumbling into him. So points to Soundwave about to decapitate Bumblebee while missing a limb.
Ever thought about doing a “Why you’re wrong about Starscream video”, so people hate on him for being weak in the series.
Or a Why you’re right about Galvatron since he’s really just that bad.
Soundwave is the reason these movies exist
Starscream next: he’s not as loyal as people make him out to be. He’s also the jet who fires at megatron in the 07 movie. Reason I know this? He literally dispatched the 1st 3 jets in like 2 seconds🤣 it wouldn’t have been hard to get rid of the other 2 in less time. Leaving scream with the perfect opportunity to target megs in disguise. ( he also gets away with this)…
Also notice the difference in how confident starscream is throughout the trilogy. 1st one he’s loud and proud, 2nd one he’s scared because he thinks megs knows what he did. And in the 3rd he literally taunts megatron in the scene in Africa. (Pay attention to his tone in the scene towards megs)
Just figured I’d throw some ideas out there lol
I get why people want to believe Starscream is the one who fired on Megatron, but it’s not the case. Starscream thought about it, but didn’t. It’s in the first issue of Reign of Starscream.
Soundwave Ionizer Cannon? Crazy
I love your videos and they have made me appreciate the Bayverse movies a lot more!
I think you're one of the best transformers creators out there! Keep up the great work! 🦾🤖
Also I'd like to see a defense of Optimus Prime or Megatron in the Bayverse since I see a lot of people saying they don't fit the characters or they're just bad and I'd like to hear your opinion.
Defense on Optimus Prime is done by Talon Production but I would love to see Megs if it is possible.
Thanks for pointing that out. I have seen Talon Production's video and I agree with him fully.
I was simply interested in Blotzwave's opinion...
i always thought that soundwave was under utilized in the movies, i loved him and all but i this video made me appreciate him so much more. very unfortunate that the mirage scene had to be re-written last second (very understandable why they did it tho)
Great Video. I love bayverse Sound -and Shockwave🔥🔥
After being shown both head designs so often over the course of the video, I think I’ve come to actually prefer the DOTM design! Because… it’s a bat. I’m shocked I never noticed it before. Look at the snout and those massive ears. He’s a bat! Animals known for navigating using *soundwaves*. That’s such a cool detail
I liked sound wave in dark of the moon but now I love sound wave in dark of the moon
Ye another good video, I never really mind soundwave in the bayverse, he is another one of my favourites and I didn’t mind this appearance of him.
And have you heard of that theory that the reason Bumblebee targeted his chest was because that’s where the rest of his minicons would like in the G1 cartoon, I never really bought it. Also do you plan to do another decepticon for your next defence video or will you move on to some of the autobots like the wreckers or any of the aoe autobots
Next up, how wheelie managed to save the entire bayverse, explained on a 2 hour video.
Soundwave being an alien satellite is honestly a super cool idea. I just wish he actually looked like Soundwave instead of…that.
When he said how much he likes the prime design I realised th love action Soundwave is halfway mix of g1 and prime the best loved designs! See it?? 1☆¤♡
Absolutely love the fact people are still able to recognise that aspects of the OG characters still shine through despite the negative rep Bayverse has gained.
Rewatching these movies recently, another thing I really liked from DoTM was Laserbeak's voice. While I personally prefer Laserbeak not speaking, I'm definitely stealing that voice for my interpretation of Buzzsaw.
I also really enjoy Soundwave's satellite alt-mode, it just fits so well.
"Better Call Blotz"
A great way to start the day! Thanks!
I live for these videos
First off excellent video just as awesome as your Shockwave video, but it surprises me anyone somehow misunderstood and after thinking back on the film you didn't at any point mention any headcannon.
nah bruh, that “deep wang” at 42:50 sounded almost like Ken Jeong
amazing video though man, loved this and the Shockwave one
Soundwave has always been one of my favorite transformers villains glad to see you've finally did a video on him😁
what you said about Soundwave in the Bumblebee movie is a really good point. I believe that the only reason people think that Soundwave is better is based on how the character looks and sounds. They don't take into consideration that Soundwave doesn't really do anything of significance, unlike Soundwave in ROTF & DOTM. It's a problem when like 90% of Transformers "fans" are "Geewuners" that are incapable of accepting change.
weak or strong Sound-Wave is goated always
Quite a superior video.
heh, see what I did there? get it? soundwave sup-
Nah seriously good job. I await the next video.
2 days ago?
@@soundwavetheminiconcarrier Probably a patreon or something
I feel like if youre a fan of Shockwave,you also like Soundwave in some capacity
These videos are good, bring up a lot of good points and also manage to be entertaining. I do wish to see more for either Starscream or The Fallen.
These videos are fantastic. They breathe new life into these films and increase my enjoyment of them. Most of your arguments hold strong, but the ones about screen-time are rather weak. You cite other texts and real world complications in defense of both Shockwave and Soundwave, however I'm not convinced either of these hold up.
The quality of a text and the characters it presents should not be gagued by the way the characters are presented in other texts. While a character may seldom appear in other texts, that is equally a flaw in those texts as it is in this one. It could be argued that they have always been side-characters, however they hold major importance to the plot of the Bay films, which is undermined by their side-character level of screen time.
There are, of course, a number of real world conditions which made it impossible for these characters to have an extended screen-time: the strikes, and budget/quality of the CGI. It is absolutely true that the creators' hands were tied. But no strike or monitary restrictions will ever make a character of such importance deserving of such little screen-time. These conditions explain the screen-time, but do not justify the screen-time. The characters are hindered by their lack of screen-time whether or not the creators were capable of giving it to them.
Wait, I literally just watched the other video yesterday. nice!
One thing to point out is that the Decepticons actually were not without a leader during that time between DOTM and the last knight. While Megatron was away it was Barricade who was left in command since unfortunately both Shockwave and Soundwave were out of the picture at that point.