This Rare Supercharged V8 Coupe Was Almost Great - The Studebaker Avanti

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  • In this Rare Cars documentary, we are jumping into the history of one of the most interesting and yet most underappreciated cars of the early 1960s - the absolutely unique and somewhat revolutionary supercharged V8, fiberglass bodied Avanti.
    This car was Studebaker's last ditch effort at saving their brand - and while it didn't work it formed a cult following that is still alive and well today.
    Learn all there is to know about the Studebaker Avanti in episode 53 of our documentary series on the world's most fascinating cars.
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  • @williamking6306
    @williamking6306 Před 3 měsíci +5

    You’re a very lucky man!! When I was a young wannabe Gearhead growing up on a BIG Corporate farm in Arizona. A man who worked in the office bought a new Grand Tourismo Hawk , with the supercharged 289. I spent so much time respectfully admiring his car he offered to take me for a ride. I was impressed, to say the least.
    I hated it when Studebaker went under. But by that time I’d ridden in a 409 Impala and a 63 Galaxie with a 406 tri power. So no tears were shed. It took a while for me to appreciate the design of the Avanti and the rest of the Studebaker line.
    As I said your lucky man to own such a unique and special Car. And if you married the Prom Queen, don’t tell me, no one deserves that much luck.

  • @5610winston
    @5610winston Před 5 měsíci +52

    4:45 The R2 was not bored over. It was the same bore diameter and stroke as the R1, with 289.06 cubic inch displacement, with the same 9.0:1 compression ratio as the Hawk engines.
    The R2 was supercharged.
    The Bonneville record car was bored .060 over for 299.4 cubic inches with the R2 supercharger and cam, and pushed an Avanti to 29 Bonneville records in class C and Unlimited class.
    A couple of dozen 289 blocks were shipped to Andy Granatelli's speed shop for modifications, most notably a .093 overbore for 304.5 cubic inches, a hotter cam, carburetor enclosed in a pressure box, and the Paxton SN60 centrifugal supercharger, engines so modified designated as the R3.
    A few of the overbored blocks got special heads and pistons for a 12.5:1 compression ratio, and dual four-barrels, this R4 engine producing about the same horsepower and torque as the R2,
    According to the literature from Avanti Motor Corporation in 1973, Studebaker never advertised horsepower ratings for any of the Avanti engines, and the figures widely rumored were generally understated. Studebaker marketing preferred to let the performance speak for itself.
    A side note, it is rumored that Granatelli wouldn't ship an R3 until it had posted 415 horsepower in the dyno.
    Nine R3s were installed in Avantis, one in a '64 Studebaker Commander, and maybe a dozen were still in the crates when Studebaker ceased US production in December of '63.
    I have seen a modified R3 with a dual carb intake, the Paxton supercharger and a jewel-like mirror-polished splitter duct from the supercharger to the carbs.

    • @RockandrollNegro
      @RockandrollNegro Před 5 měsíci +1

      The modded R3 belonged to Karl Sparx, if I remember correctly.

    • @BIGBADWOOD
      @BIGBADWOOD Před 4 měsíci

      NICE

    • @IowaBudgetRCBashers
      @IowaBudgetRCBashers Před 4 měsíci

      And let’s not forget even the 259 and 232 both had forged cranks, rods and pistons. Studebaker over built everything. The only downfall to the studebaker engine is the cylinder heads and even those can be made good. I’ve got a worn out 289 4bbl in my 58 silver hawk and it’s got more power than any stock small block Chevy I’ve ever had.

    • @f4udhorn
      @f4udhorn Před 3 měsíci

      I thought the 64 model was a 304cu.ins.?

    • @vernanderson4358
      @vernanderson4358 Před 2 měsíci

      Approx 100-180 R3'S and R4s were apparently done by Granatelli in Cal.
      Yes 335 HP was the advertised HP for the base R3. But most produced closer to that 400 figure. To my knowledge following the Avanti for 63 years and owning A true 1964 model R2, NO second step R3 was ever produced for Sale. That upgrade included
      Advanced engine features and power beyond the basic R3.
      Too much to describe herein.

  • @sethmaki1333
    @sethmaki1333 Před 5 měsíci +23

    When I was a kid back in the 80s, my grandfather had this absolutely beautiful black 57 Studebaker Golden Hawk with the supercharged engine and gold plated wire wheels. I always felt like one of the super elite when riding in the back seat of that masterpiece artwork. To this day, the Golden Hawk is still in my top five of all time favorite cars.

    • @5610winston
      @5610winston Před 5 měsíci +6

      First Avanti I ever saw was parked at the Peachtree Hills Recreation Center in Atlanta, probably summer of '62. It was metallic turquoise and had a discreet _Supercharged_ badge on the front fender.

    • @duelenigma7732
      @duelenigma7732 Před 5 měsíci +3

      lucky guy . My Dad used to buy dorky family cars and my brother and I would have done anything for a 2 seater with dual exhausts haha

    • @kenon6968
      @kenon6968 Před 2 měsíci

      I'm more partial to the 56 with the massive Packard V8 and more subtle fins, but I wouldn't mind either

    • @rondye9398
      @rondye9398 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@duelenigma7732 Well lucky you, I was crammed in the back seat of a 1957 Rambler station wagon with 1/2 dozen younger siblings. I now own a 57 Golden Hawk in Azure blue metallic, with 3 sp. OD. trans.

  • @CrazyBear65
    @CrazyBear65 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I drove an Avanti once. It was sitting on a used car lot, me and my buddy were walking by, and we asked the dude about it, and he asked us if we wanted to drive it. I couldn't tell you what year it was, but it was a four speed. My boss has a 63 Studebaker Lark, I drove it once too, it's a three on the tree. I got in it and said, "I haven't driven one of these in a long time, where's reverse? All the way up? Yep." When kids get their license, they should have to take the test in a 63 Lark with three on the tree, mechanical clutch, manual steering, and manual brakes, that way they have to prove that they can actually _drive_ instead of just hold a steering wheel. Hey, I could be harsher, they could be forced to take their test in a 56 Willys...

  • @stephenjablonsky1941
    @stephenjablonsky1941 Před 5 měsíci +9

    The design of the car was so perfect it still looks great today. I drove one for a half hour way back when and it was definitely an exciting improvement over much of what was being produced at the time.

  • @safetymikeengland
    @safetymikeengland Před 5 měsíci +11

    I have always loved the Avanti.
    FIrst time I ever saw one I thought it was the coolest looking car ever built.

  • @sambozeman5266
    @sambozeman5266 Před 5 měsíci +58

    I have a 64 studebaker daytona (lark) the Avanti guys don't hang out with us regular stude guys even though the chassis is the same. Also- I'm 31 I'm the only studebaker owner in my region that isn't in retirement

    • @rarecars3336
      @rarecars3336  Před 5 měsíci +7

      Avanti owners think they are in their own special crew I guess lol

    • @sambozeman5266
      @sambozeman5266 Před 5 měsíci +4

      @rarecars3336 they really do! It's like a budget corvette owners group (there's an unsurprising amount of overlap there too)

    • @jeffbrinkerhoff5121
      @jeffbrinkerhoff5121 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Hi Sam... Larks were always fast and underrated. The boxy styling was a contrast to the other Studebakers' sleek styling.

    • @5610winston
      @5610winston Před 5 měsíci

      @@rarecars3336 Studebaker's problems with fiberglass production fueled the decision to offer all the Avanti performance goodies on every Studebaker model except the "standard" which was not even badged as a Lark.
      The Avanti engines, transmission, disc brakes, bucket seats, suspension modifications, and all the rest were available _a la carte_ or as an option group. "Full Package" cars got a distinctive_Super Lark_ or _Super Hawk_ badge with a blue circle in the middle of the oval badge calling out the version of the Jet Thrust engine under the hood.

    • @sambozeman5266
      @sambozeman5266 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@jeffbrinkerhoff5121 I love mine. 259 with the 3 speed borg Warner. Last of the real studebakers before they switched to sbc

  • @creatorwatch532
    @creatorwatch532 Před 5 měsíci +17

    BEST cover on the Avanti I have seen in YEARS!! Thank you for sharing this with us👊

  • @lordleonusa
    @lordleonusa Před 5 měsíci +2

    Every time I see one close up at a show, the class, the attention to detail and the uniqueness always take my breath away. These really were special cars. In many ways almost too good for their customers to really appreciate.

  • @justajo2
    @justajo2 Před 5 měsíci +10

    I was a teen in the late fifties and wanted a Golden Hawk. Then the Avanti came out and I wanted that. Never had enough money for either and still don't. And still dreaming. Love of those cars never dies.

  • @OsbornTramain
    @OsbornTramain Před 5 měsíci +13

    Just two correction. The comments about the body quality is a bit off.....they didn't make a change mid production. The problem was the some bodies initially didn't fit properly which prevented production from happening on time or on schedule. So cars weren't being produced in the initial quantities desired until they could fix the Fiberglass body production issue. There were people waiting for their cars but no cars were arriving. Think of it this way, you can bend metal and make it fit, you can't bend fiberglass....the poor fitting bodies were thrown away. The QA production corrections were made at the fiberglass plant and then the 1963 cars really started to roll out, but that first 6 month delay meant sales orders were cancelled. The implication that there are Avanti's our there on the road that have poor body quality isn't the case. They refused to ship cars when the bodies didn't fit the chassis properly. The second correction is that an R2 is a 289, it's not a 304 as claimed. The R3 and R4 are 304's. One additional comment. Studebaker Packard was a company with a diverse product line, Automobiles, Electronics, Engines, Petroleum products, the Car business wasn't as profitable as the rest of Studebaker. The closing of South Bend and focusing production in Canada only was a way to save money and not fund the US Pension Plan. Studebaker continued producing cars until 1966. The reason for the termination of the car business could be directly placed on the poor closing or announcement of shutting South Bend down. Studebaker didn't announce it, the local media did and got the story all wrong. Which really ruined consumer confidence. The mainstream media once again getting the facts all wrong and not understanding why South Bend was closed. The company could have continued fine with it's Canadian operations and other associated plants around the world.

    • @vernanderson4358
      @vernanderson4358 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Those Ashtabula botched bodies were not thrown away. They were cut apart and reconfigured by Studebaker in house correctly. About100 units. These botched bodies came from mfg all messed up.
      Mfg claimed they forgot about fiberglass curing shrinkage. Oh ya sure!
      After building Vette fiberglass parts for eleven years, they
      " Forgot?". Guess which big 3 made sure
      MFG company "forgot"
      Be curious to know if and how much that "forgot" cost the other fiberglass client.

  • @5610winston
    @5610winston Před 5 měsíci +14

    Shout out to the memory of Bob Andrews, Jon Ebstein, and Tom Kellogg, Loewy's design devlopment team, and to Sherwood Egbert, the visionary who, given the chance, could have turned Studebaker's fortunes around.

  • @cee128d
    @cee128d Před 5 měsíci +14

    I remember the Avanti from when I was a kid. I was 8 years old when it was released. While I've never owned or driven one, I did get to see one at a dealer when they first came out. The R3 is my White Whale car.

    • @rarecars3336
      @rarecars3336  Před 5 měsíci +6

      The R3 is such a cool car - shame the didn't make more of them

    • @cee128d
      @cee128d Před 5 měsíci

      @@rarecars3336Part of the problem was a lack of funds as well as Quality Control issues at Paxton. Their Superchargers were failing at an extremely high rate at that time. They would order boxes of matched ball bearing balls then put multiple boxes (not matched) into the hoppers to produce the SuperChargers. The different sized balls caused a high failure rate. Granatelli talks about it in his book "They Call Me Mr. 500".

  • @zeon5323
    @zeon5323 Před 5 měsíci +3

    I had a 1964 round headlight R1 auto Avanti for about 30 years. Fabulous car. Wish I still had that one!

  • @foppenphotography9315
    @foppenphotography9315 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Found this channel today.. I’m a fully fledged British “car-guy” but have to admit you’ve just schooled me on cars I’d never heard of.Keep up the good work bro 😎

    • @rarecars3336
      @rarecars3336  Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks for stopping by and watching! I appreciate the kind words!

  • @robertkresse3684
    @robertkresse3684 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I was 11 years of age when I first saw this car I was standing nearby in a dealership when a salesman started the engine it was like music the sound of the engine was truly amazing I never heard anything like it.

  • @valengreymoon5623
    @valengreymoon5623 Před 5 měsíci +9

    I had the privilege to met Mr> Granatelli in 1989, when he came to speak at our technical school.

  • @johnhaddad3401
    @johnhaddad3401 Před 4 měsíci +1

    One of my favorite cars was a red, convertable, early 60's Lark I had in '68. I remember lusting over the Avanti.

  • @larrysouthern5098
    @larrysouthern5098 Před 5 měsíci +1

    One of my favorite models i had as a kid...very futuristic ..

  • @lancerevell5979
    @lancerevell5979 Před 5 měsíci +11

    I'm a Studebaker fan from way back. The Avanti is, to my 67 year old eyes, the most beautiful car ever made in the US. Gorgeous, powerful, high performance in it's time. I wish I could afford one. Their other cars - 1953 Starliner Coupe, 1957 Golden Hawk, 1962 Hawk GT - All also superb cars. They looked sleek when the Big Three were putting motors in steel shoeboxes. 😊

    • @ronmann2755
      @ronmann2755 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Studebaker cars were way ahead of the little THREE.

    • @danontherun5685
      @danontherun5685 Před 5 měsíci

      I don't think anyone considers a 57 bird a steel shoe box. The Hawks are far better looking with the fins removed which is actually easy to do.

  • @adamweston4152
    @adamweston4152 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Such a good car, boldly individual and a stand out in a crowd look.

  • @JohnHendley-fx1gw
    @JohnHendley-fx1gw Před 5 měsíci +1

    I've always admired these cars since I was a kid. Always wanted one, still want one

  • @T-41
    @T-41 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Pretty good job . I would quibble with some of the detail, but the overall story you tell is fairly accurate. The term “botched” isn’t one that would ever come to my mind and isn’t one I have ever heard used with this car. It was a great accomplishment for the Loewy design team and the engineers , manufacturing and marketing staffs at Studebaker to develop and start to produce this really unique product in a little over a year with almost no available capital to invest. At the time a writer with one of the auto publications remarked that GM couldn’t redesign and tool up to produce a new grill in the time it took to produce the Avanti.

    • @jeffbrinkerhoff5121
      @jeffbrinkerhoff5121 Před 5 měsíci

      The problems were mostly getting the fiberglass body panels adjusted properly. Where the workers were familiar warping sheet metal steel fender/doors to fit the gaps the fg wouldn't stay bent. Also these were the last cars from a failing business. Studebaker joined Packard Hudson and Nash to form American motors.

    • @vulpo
      @vulpo Před 4 měsíci

      @@jeffbrinkerhoff5121 Slight correction: Studebaker Packard did not join American Motors Corp.

  • @tomhighway1952
    @tomhighway1952 Před 5 měsíci +51

    Studebaker made a lot of really awesome cars in the 50's and 60's. The Avanti was just the last of them.
    Their Hawk series of cars were also ahead of their time. I really liked them.

    • @richardmccaughey5928
      @richardmccaughey5928 Před 5 měsíci +5

      You have said everything I could have. I loved all the Loewy coupes up to and including the Hawks. The Avanti came out when I was in high school and I was blown away!

    • @safetymikeengland
      @safetymikeengland Před 5 měsíci

      I loved the Hawks also. But I don't know much.
      My Dad, on the other hand, was in many ways a well-qualified expert and he LOVEd the Studebakers, including the Hawk.
      He spoke very highly of Studebaker - every car they ever made.

    • @mikeroberts8914
      @mikeroberts8914 Před 5 měsíci +1

      And the Studebaker pickup was absolutely beautiful and groundbreaking in its own right.

    • @TheRealDrJoey
      @TheRealDrJoey Před 5 měsíci +1

      The supercharged Gran Turismo was genuinely ahead of its time.

  • @robertebstein2376
    @robertebstein2376 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Nice video, my dad was the head of the design team that came up with the final design in Palm Springs. The 64 square headlights were taped up on my dad's 63 - the Avanti was my father's favorite project and though I am probably not objective it's still a design that holds up well. BTW in addition to the fiberglass issues, the UAW went out on strike against Studebaker in January 1962, not helping at all.

    • @vernanderson4358
      @vernanderson4358 Před 2 měsíci

      Your dad was part of the group for which I am forever grateful. They produced the most elegant, aerodynamic ,svelte, beautiful and advanced four passenger design in
      American automotive history -- bar NONE.
      All big 3 ever did until the Avanti came along was push out barges bathtubs and refridges. Period. Even the 63 Vette, which was a GREAT improvement over the previous homely vettes,did not compare well with the fabulous Avanti. It was at best a distant second. That said 63 and the 64 Vette remain the ONLY Vette I admire. The current ones are simply lunch tossers.

  • @brutallyremastered4255
    @brutallyremastered4255 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Thanks- my all time favourite US vehicle (it actually harks back to the Cord which was also way ahead of its time).
    So sexy: gold with wire wheels, saw one in New Zealand - what a dream .

    • @pashakdescilly7517
      @pashakdescilly7517 Před 5 měsíci

      In some ways, there is a resemblance with the Jensen Interceptor, notably the C-pillar and rear window.

  • @felixniederhauser7799
    @felixniederhauser7799 Před 4 měsíci +1

    My father back in the 1960's had a Studebaker. NB: I still remember this car, 60 years later.

  • @joellamoureux7914
    @joellamoureux7914 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Had I been alive and financially able to buy one I am sure I would have. I love it and I have always since the first day I saw one.

  • @mikeroberts8914
    @mikeroberts8914 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Our neighbor had an Avanti that looked showroom new everyday of its life. This was the mid 80’s. I was fascinated by that car.

  • @dennylang4165
    @dennylang4165 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Excellent Video...! Dozens of previous Avanti videos are full of errors. This video is one of the most historically correct I've seen...! No nonsense about "made in Canada" "ford 289's" or turbochargers."

  • @GR1MRACER
    @GR1MRACER Před 5 měsíci +7

    So good it became its own company

  • @jeffbrinkerhoff5121
    @jeffbrinkerhoff5121 Před 5 měsíci +6

    The Avanti styling was one of the last by Raymond Leowy who was a premier art deco era designer.

  • @michaelsimko7694
    @michaelsimko7694 Před 5 měsíci +3

    The Avanti was such a beautiful car. Its exterior design was more European than the 1963-1967 Corvette.
    Studebaker's supercharged 304 was an absolutely amazing engine.

    • @5610winston
      @5610winston Před 5 měsíci

      The original 232 V8 from model year 1951 was amazing as well. It was heavily overbuilt in anticipation of the 300-octane corner-gas-station pump gas that the petroleum companies were promising was closer than the horizon.
      The basic architecture with maximum overbore and longest possible stroke came in at the R3 304.5 cubes.
      Ive read that the day Studebaker pulled the plug on US production was also the day that the foundry cast the engineering prototype block for an all-new V8 that would have started out at about 340 cubic inches.

  • @kougerat5388
    @kougerat5388 Před 5 měsíci +8

    I noticed the front and rear lights were flush with the bodywork, I wonder if this was the first car to use that idea.
    I think the design of the back of the car is nicer than the front.
    Considering the cars of the time this seems to be way ahead of its time !

    • @jeffbrinkerhoff5121
      @jeffbrinkerhoff5121 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Famous art deco designer Raymond Leowy did the Avanti body styling. Check out the Studebaker Hawk series. Compared to other cars they always looked years ahead.

    • @kougerat5388
      @kougerat5388 Před 5 měsíci

      @@jeffbrinkerhoff5121Thanks for that Jeff I will definitely check that out I'm not overly familiar with American cars and names but I have to say this channel has really hooked me in !
      I can see myself going to some American car meets here in the UK.

  • @1heavyelement
    @1heavyelement Před 4 měsíci +1

    got into a street race back in 86 with an avanti against my 68 camaro bracket racer. we finished together at the next street light. that car sounded really bad ass too. i never got to talk to the guy but i'd have to say his avanti was definitely built as my camaro was a 10 second car. avanti is one of the coolest looking cars out of the 60s and also super rare.

  • @rwcolvin4229
    @rwcolvin4229 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I can still remember reading a review of the Avanti by an enthusiast magazine comparing it to the Corvette. They said the body was smoother than the Vetee and the performance was satisfactory.

  • @crow578
    @crow578 Před 5 měsíci +3

    It's an interesting look - and one that has aged well. I would certainly choose an Avanti over a Corvette.

  • @user-hq6ou2je6n
    @user-hq6ou2je6n Před 5 měsíci +3

    I grew up in a Los Angeles suburb and our street was a car Mecca. Our next door neighbor had an Avanti and it got more attention than any of the myriad exotic cars that graced the street.

  • @AlanEmmons-qw6bg
    @AlanEmmons-qw6bg Před 2 měsíci +1

    My uncle owned and loved his Stud! He always bought hawks usually golden hawks but when they went under he switched to circa its until he killed a jaywalking kid then he never got behind the wheel again. But he drove to every contiguous state in both cars. And every back side window was covered with a sticker of every state he visited or its highlights. And a few from Canada and Mexico. He loved his Studs!!

  • @stevelee5724
    @stevelee5724 Před 4 měsíci +1

    It's actually a fine looking car. Very cool. Cheers from New Zealand

  • @jonathangriffin1120
    @jonathangriffin1120 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I remember a TV programme about the Avanti shown here in the UK, it documented some of the problems the Avanti suffered in its conception but also disclosed that the wheelbase and track dimensions were identical to that of the Ford Mustang which was launched some time later.

    • @jamesw1659
      @jamesw1659 Před 5 měsíci

      Actually, it had a 109” wheelbase, vs. 108” for the Mustang…and it’s track was narrower, as it was based on a chassis dating back to 1953, when cars were significantly narrower.

  • @gregvarner9562
    @gregvarner9562 Před 5 měsíci +1

    One of the most underappreciated cars ever made.

  • @davebalek4093
    @davebalek4093 Před 5 měsíci +2

    A 3-speed floor shift was also available. I have one of approximately 60 made. I also have a dealer overdrive added as Studebaker never offered the Avanti with one.

  • @UberLummox
    @UberLummox Před 5 měsíci +2

    Learned a lot. Thanks!

  • @ericjohnson8571
    @ericjohnson8571 Před 4 měsíci

    Thanks for the video, my favorite as well!!

  • @numjro
    @numjro Před 5 měsíci +2

    I just so happened to see one of these at a car show today!

  • @christophecamus8410
    @christophecamus8410 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Cool video and interesting video ❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @roo1314
    @roo1314 Před 5 měsíci +1

    It was and remains a beautiful car.

  • @d.e.b.b5788
    @d.e.b.b5788 Před 5 měsíci +1

    One of the people on our block, owned an Avanti. Beautiful car; he let me sit in it when I was little. I wanted it so bad; but by the time I got my license, I still couldn't afford one, so I settled on a 65 Ford Mustang. Lots of fun, but I will never know what it would have been, if I could have afforded an Avanti way back when.

    • @f4udhorn
      @f4udhorn Před měsícem

      Fortunately, they became very affordable in the late 70s and today they're still only around 40K for a restored one.

  • @reinventingthemonkey
    @reinventingthemonkey Před 5 měsíci +8

    This is my dream car,

  • @kenpyle1716
    @kenpyle1716 Před 5 měsíci +3

    The Lark conv frame was NOT shortened for avanti. 109 inch wheelbase m

  • @tkskagen
    @tkskagen Před 5 měsíci +3

    For styling/look appeal, this creation would have been beautified if it had a rectangular Headlight setup.

    • @5610winston
      @5610winston Před 5 měsíci +2

      A few owners had the '63 round headlights replaced with the rectangular nacelles used on the late '64 examples (there had been a few front facias left over when Studebaker began the calling them '64 models).

  • @jwelchon2416
    @jwelchon2416 Před 5 měsíci +4

    I never cared that much for the Avanti. There were a few around when I was a kid. The Studebaker that I really like was the 62-64 Hawk. They should have bought the tooling for it.

    • @markanthony3275
      @markanthony3275 Před 5 měsíci

      You can watch a road test of the Avanti II on a great retro road test show with Bud Lindemann on You Tube. The Avanti he tests was an Avanti II with a mean Vette 327 mill. Check it out you might enjoy all of the road tests!

  • @shafferjoe1962
    @shafferjoe1962 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I love the Avanti.

  • @markotterby4297
    @markotterby4297 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Beautiful car. Remember it well.

  • @johnharris2462
    @johnharris2462 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Wow 😮 way ahead of its time

  • @pallen1065
    @pallen1065 Před 5 měsíci

    In the summer of '62, I was watching some Saturday afternoon TV show, when the first ad for the Avanti was aired. Only one other such intro was as galvanizing: the silhouetted roof line of the '59 Buick Electra. !!! to both ..

  • @TheMrmmkkpro
    @TheMrmmkkpro Před 5 měsíci +1

    I never really paid to much attention to them. But your video has opened my eyes about this car. I think it's cool and way ahead of it's time, that. R3 was a bod boy for sure.
    Love your work, well researched a lot of important info, well done. 👍👍🏁🏁

  • @alangeddes268
    @alangeddes268 Před 5 měsíci +1

    My brother owned 2 new Avantis. Kick ass cars.

  • @brandbryce
    @brandbryce Před 5 měsíci +2

    It really was a cool car, and the story is enticing.

  • @jwf2125
    @jwf2125 Před 4 měsíci +1

    My dad had a red Lark Wagonaire, with the sliding roof, 3 on tree and Hillholder, which kept it from rolling backward on uphill starts. Great car, dead reliable, he put a quarter million miles on it. When Stude went under they sold the Hillholder feature to Subaru.

    • @f4udhorn
      @f4udhorn Před měsícem

      Yep, My standard Stude had it and was the only company that produced it. My Avanti was automatic.R1

  • @bryanpalmer9660
    @bryanpalmer9660 Před 5 měsíci +1

    A beautiful stylish car 💎

  • @andrewsmith2973
    @andrewsmith2973 Před 5 měsíci +2

    good one

  • @mpojr
    @mpojr Před 8 hodinami

    somebody needs to manufacture these beautiful cars again.these cars would sell like hot cakes

  • @deanpaidas8089
    @deanpaidas8089 Před 5 měsíci

    I was 8 years old when I had my first ride in a Avanti. The Studebaker dealer was a friend of my father so we went to see it and went for a spin. This was in Warren Ohio and the car was white. Still remember that day

  • @deborahchesser7375
    @deborahchesser7375 Před 5 měsíci

    The wheels sure make a big difference in the way it looks, the Cragar style really looks good.

  • @paulplack490
    @paulplack490 Před 5 měsíci

    I got to sit in one of these at a car show when I was about 10 years old. I especially remember the overhead switches and super-cool instrument panel. It looked like a rocket ship compared to the '64 Lark sitting next to it.

  • @BigElCat
    @BigElCat Před 5 měsíci +3

    It would have been cool if Granatelli could have of had the funding to take the Avanti to Lemans '63.

  • @janderson8401
    @janderson8401 Před 5 měsíci

    My dad really liked Studebakers. He bought a 60 2 door Lark, a very stripped down one that had been the grand prize in a raffle but the winner didn’t want it. Dad liked the car enough that he traded it in on a 63 Lark 4 door sedan that he kept till 1970. I think I have the sales brochure from 63 that shows the Avanti and all the other models

  • @navret1707
    @navret1707 Před 5 měsíci

    That flash of the Camero on the opening is my dream restoration car. Midnight Blue Metallic S/S.

  • @rizzlerazzleuno4733
    @rizzlerazzleuno4733 Před 5 měsíci

    Nice video. 👍 Our family owned two. First was destroyed when hit by a drunk driver. It was white with the turquoise interior. Second was white with the burgundy interior. They had AC, electric windows and the 3-speed automatic. The styling was great, the interior comfy but they were quite heavy and dangerous handling in the rain. Gas milage from the stock 289 with 4 barrel was 12-15 mpg on high octane fuel. If GM or Ford had built and sold them using steel instead of fiberglass and a better chassis design they would have sold well. The first gen Camaro body design was influenced by the Avanti. Studebaker was dying when the Avanti came out and they did not have efficient & sufficient production to meet demand. It is always a treat seeing one at a car show and talking to the owners, plus there are lots of other YT videos about the Avanti and other Studebakers. Raymond Lowey also designed the beautiful 1953 Studebaker Commander Starliner hardtop, which was 10 years ahead in designs from the other auto companies. It still looks modern in 2024.

  • @mjmorrill081
    @mjmorrill081 Před 5 měsíci

    I'm a fan of the Silver Hawk, the Grand Tourismo Hawk, and the Avatte, even the Avatte 2 ,beautiful, beautiful cars. Endo yes some of the early fifties to, like the Commander. I am lucky enough to own a 1973 Thunderbird.

  • @garyfrancis6193
    @garyfrancis6193 Před 5 měsíci +1

    My favourite car.

  • @dno5779
    @dno5779 Před 5 měsíci

    I would like to see Chip Foose design some wheels to compliment the overall design of the of the Avanti. Seems like the wheels are always in a fight with the body style. Great video, thanks.

  • @GlowHawk
    @GlowHawk Před 5 měsíci

    As a kid I remember my parents had a Studebaker Champion. My mom disliked it because it was hard to steer at slow speeds. One time, I remember she was turning into an alley, cutting it short, and ending up hitting the side of the car on a telephone pole at the entrance to the alley. I think that soon after that, my parents got a 1955 Chevy Belair, red and white. I remember the Avanti when it was introduced by Studebaker, but like the documentary said, Studebaker was on the ropes. An interesting side light is that I went to Notre Dame. The old Studebaker home was turned into a nice restaurant but the loss of Studebaker hit South Ben hard and it took a long time for it to recover.

    • @CJColvin
      @CJColvin Před 4 měsíci

      I've imagine what Studebaker would've been had both Studebaker and Packard merge together with Hudson and Nash along with Kaiser and Jeep to form AMC in 1954?

  • @kerrypierre9494
    @kerrypierre9494 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Nice episode 👍
    In addition to the production issues, I think the timing for the Avanti was off. Had it been introduced in the mid to late 60's it may have been a completely different story.

    • @5610winston
      @5610winston Před 5 měsíci +2

      We can't overlook that at introduction a base-equipped Avanti with a three-speed manual transmission (4-speed was optional until early August, 1962) and manual steering, no A/C was priced at $4445.
      Doesn''t sound like a lot now, but that was in fully loaded Deuce-and-a-Quarter/Cadiddle-Yak territory in 1962.
      Compare that to the Mustang that started at a bit more than half that price in spring of '64.

    • @kerrypierre9494
      @kerrypierre9494 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@5610winston
      That's a good point, I was thinking more about the styling than the price point.
      If I had been a young working class fella in that time period, price would have definitely been a big factor. 👍

    • @5610winston
      @5610winston Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@kerrypierre9494 Tom Kellogg, a member of Loewy's Avanti design team, remarked in an interview that he couldn't affors an Avanti when new.
      Compare that to the price strategy for the 1953 Starlight/Starliner coupes designed in Loewy's studio by a fellow named Bob Bourke. The Champion version of the Starlight pillared coupe in the top _Regal_ trim level was comparable to a mid-range Chevrolet, and the Commander V8 Starliner in top-line _State_ trim went for about the same money as a Pontiac six.
      Interestingly, a lot of designers at the Big Three studios chose the Studebaker coupes as their personal cars.

    • @trainliker100
      @trainliker100 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Studebaker never meant to sell many Avantis. True, without production problems they could have sold more, but as mentioned, they were priced as a Cadillac. The car was designed to be a "halo car" to bring excitement to the brand and get people into the dealerships where they would be sold the Larks and such. And the Avani did its job very well. But too many people felt Studebaker was on the verge of ending auto manufacturing and didn't want to get stuck with a car with no company behind it.

  • @kenlodge3399
    @kenlodge3399 Před 4 měsíci

    Loved the Avanti R2.

  • @trainliker100
    @trainliker100 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Egbert was not a designer at all. His only "sketch" was a very crude one on a napkin. And his original suggestion was that it be something like a Jaguar E type. He did, however, have some design input. He was 6 foot four and bumped his head getting out of the car resulting in the windshield angle being changed to be less steep and the car a little taller. As a pilot, he did provide suggestions resulting in the aircraft interior look mentioned in the video. Tings interior heater levers look like aircraft controls, the gauges have white and red (for night driving) bulbs, and an almost useless tiny sun visor as he hated the big floppy things. The visors just swing down and provide very little value and they don't swing to the side. And the world's first car with switches above the windshield

    • @f4udhorn
      @f4udhorn Před měsícem

      At least the Avanti's brakes came from the E-Type.

  • @WareWolf801
    @WareWolf801 Před 5 měsíci

    Have always loved the look of the avanti.

  • @randyfitz8310
    @randyfitz8310 Před 5 měsíci

    Thanks for the Avanti cameo video, if yo can please show images of the models described such as the convertible Studebaker Lark rather than hardtop, etc.

  • @russelbaird3342
    @russelbaird3342 Před 5 měsíci

    I have liked the Stude Avante ever since I was old enough to say the word . I am 77 now and would love to own an R1 , R2 , and R3 . Just because they are such iconic cars that need to be preserved for history . Yes I would drive them . The last one I saw on the road was a charcoal colored one in the middle 1980’s . Still a classic car . Had an uncle that drove Studebaker’s almost exclusively . Till they went out of business , loved the Hawks .

  • @charleshaggard4341
    @charleshaggard4341 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I remember seeing one back in the mid 60s. I had to ask my dad what it was. They certainly were different looking.

  • @user-pq5dl4qz9i
    @user-pq5dl4qz9i Před 5 měsíci

    The Avanti a car design for the future it was beautiful

  • @richardseelye9938
    @richardseelye9938 Před 5 měsíci

    I did not know Avanti went to the 350 after the 327. Your information is fantastic. Thank you

    • @f4udhorn
      @f4udhorn Před měsícem

      The Avanti II corporation wanted the cheapest hi-performance engine they could get, which, of course, was the chevy.

  • @JohnWood302
    @JohnWood302 Před 5 měsíci

    Does anyone else think there are overtones of the Austin Martin DB series!!! Some lovely lines on this car!!

  • @kougerat5388
    @kougerat5388 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Never been number 1 before 😁

  • @danacoyle1826
    @danacoyle1826 Před 5 měsíci +2

    At the time this was the fastest stock production car during the early 60s

    • @f4udhorn
      @f4udhorn Před měsícem

      Yep, "D Production" at Bonneville, I believe.

  • @KootBear
    @KootBear Před 5 měsíci +1

    very unique

  • @leemcclelland2618
    @leemcclelland2618 Před 2 měsíci

    Ive c seen one Avanti ever. Beautiful

  • @larrylebowski8386
    @larrylebowski8386 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I was a kid when the Avanti was released. I kept bugging my dad to get one instead of the 58 Chevy station wagon we had.

  • @user-ew9or6kw8e
    @user-ew9or6kw8e Před 5 měsíci

    Other than GM, To Me one of THE Most Beautiful 60'S American CARS!!

  • @gitfindasettahpanzy9892
    @gitfindasettahpanzy9892 Před 5 měsíci

    The garage up the street from me has an emaculate powder blue with white interior Avanti, neat little thing.

  • @mr.t2895
    @mr.t2895 Před 5 měsíci

    I thought the Avanti was beautiful and if they still made them I’d probably buy one. I still see one at a parking garage I go to once in a while which I think belongs to an employee in the building. It still has its elegant and beautiful looks!

  • @Curtis1984
    @Curtis1984 Před 5 měsíci +2

    @6:57 it looks so innocent.

  • @johntouse4611
    @johntouse4611 Před 4 měsíci

    I was involved with Avanti II by adapting the HydraMatic 400 transmission to the Avanti

  • @ericfredrickson5517
    @ericfredrickson5517 Před 5 měsíci

    My FIL had a '63 Lark Daytona convertible, with the very first bucket seats and 4-speed transmission. He worked as a tractor mechanic that also sold Studebakers, so he special-ordered one as a wedding gift for his bride.
    He also got to ride in an R3 (I think) Avanti, with the factory salesman. He said it was wicked-quick.

  • @KartKing4ever
    @KartKing4ever Před 5 měsíci

    A lot of us from my generation only know of Avanti as a kit put over an F-Body Camaro. Not a lot of people know they were their own thing at one time.

  • @pieteri.duplessis
    @pieteri.duplessis Před 4 měsíci

    So sad, the whole Studebaker saga but in particular this beautiful car.

  • @trainliker100
    @trainliker100 Před 2 měsíci

    While every square headlight bezel Avanti is a "1964", not all 1964 models had them and a number were round. The changeover happened a while after the model year date change (at car VINl number 4892). Also, so long as they still had round bezel front clips available, you could special order the round bezel version. The "Avanti Authenticity Manual" says that 54 1964 models had round bezels. Also, after crashes and body repairs, some during their lifetime that were round ended up as square, and some square ended up as round.

  • @thom-mark6443
    @thom-mark6443 Před 5 měsíci

    My dream car as a teen in the sixties.