Most fans only like Ahsoka in Star Wars because of childhood crushes on her or they want to get into her pants. Honestly Filoni also would want to get in there as well if he could.
Ahsoka surviving the clone wars was Ok, but she should have 100% died in Rebels against Vader. There is no excuse for her just roaming around during the OT time and not helping Luke against the empire.
You either die a decent heroine, or live long enough to see yourself become another homogenized Strong Female Character™ with the personality of a brick.
There was no reason at all to make her survive vader, especially with time traveling BS. She literally has nothing to contribute to by the time the OT starts, she just becomes pointless filler with lightsabers, devaluing the other force users at the time. She literally become Daves OC Waifu that he tries to insert into places she doesn't belong.
I thought exactly this during rebels! I like ahsoka but I agree she should have died against vader or at the very least, wounded and scarred by him. Not the other way around. They keep nerfing vader in all of these shows and even games like jedi survivor.
And apparently can’t even remember who they were in their last appearance. Ahsoka in her self-titled series felt wrong compared to her last appearances in Rebels and even her cameos in the earlier live action series. Sabine (as well as Ezra) acted nothing like they would have been expected to just aging up their characters from Rebels. Sabine gets a little closer than Ezra, but that’s from her being illogically between the two paths her personality would have let her if Ezra being missing hit her so hard. Just covering her first live action appearance, she would have either thrown herself into helping her home city or isolated herself nearly completely. The weird being sorta involved but not, acting like a teenager when she didn’t act like that when actually a teenager made no sense. Bo Kataan feels like she was a different character since, again in Rebels, she was determined to win. If she was like that despite everything she goes through in The Clone Wars and the imperial period, why would she not continue on in the same way?
He's also biased towards them. In rebels, he practically let ahsoka look better than vader in a fight, then again in the live action show. She's also center of the heir of the empire storyline with no luke in sight. He acts like ahsoka is his sole creation even though george lucas came up with the idea. Dave didn't think anakin should have an apprentice
Dave Filoni wasn't even Lucas's first choice to head Lucasfilm Animation. Genndy Tartakovsky was that, and walked away from the position so he wouldn't be tied down to only making Star Wars projects. Lucas even compared Tartakovsky to a John Lasseter, former chief officer of Pixar Animation. Dave Filoni was probably one of the worst replacements for Tartakovsky, considering the latter actually can animate, direct, and follow continuity. He and his team even went so far as to make Ventress's lightsabers that she gets from Dooku, the ones that belonged to Dooku's former apprentice, Komari Vosa, antagonist in the Bounty Hunter Game. For somebody who gets all this praise, Dave Filoni has nowhere near the resume of Dexter's Laboratory, Primal, Samurai Jack, Powerpuff Girls, or the 2003 Clone Wars. I doubt Filoni and his team could even make 3 minute episodes that were so concisely well written. One is a master of animation and creativity, and the other is a master conartist.
Really?! I would have loved to see more projects done by Tartakovsky. Darth Plagueis and The Darth Bane Trilogy. Imagine the Maladian Massacre in the '03 Clone Wars Style. That was easily one of the most epic scenes in the novel. Edit: Imagine the Mace vs. Sidious duel in that style, based on the novelization's description.
So apparently Genndy was super excited to do a feature film and then the TV shows, and met with both Jim Morris (of ILM and Pixar) and George Lucas. To both Genndy and Morris's surprise, Lucas was against doing a feature film, which was the deal breaker. I really don't get this, especially as the 2008 CW first release was a feature film. I really feel as if Lucas shot himself in the foot by not just giving that a chance and limiting himself, to then find Dave Filoni, somebody who is rather mediocre in comparison to Genndy Tartakovsky, and who has since stabbed him in the back and really watered down the franchise to the point where it's barely recognized past clichés and all his own OC inserts.
I like Ahsoka Tano, but he overplayed her. I always had an issue with her being a padawan to Anakin, as it makes it turn to the dark side feel a little more unlikely and forced. Then having her as prominent in the overarching narrative was a bit much. I suspended my disbelief for the movie and subsequent TV series, but having her going toe to toe against Maul during the events of Revenge of the Sith? Having her in the background during the rise of the Empire and rebellion? Having her face off against Vader, who is somehow unaffected after seeing her, despite all they had been through, AND returning after the end of the Galactic Civil War? Ignoring the Ahsoka issue, he also has a bit of a god complex. The fact that he thinks he is George Jr, that he knows the canon better than anyone, so much so that everyone was shocked when Sam Witwer called out his lore contradiction during the making of a Clone Wars episode. He is overconfident in his understanding of the lore. I get that he has a cowboy hat, but he needs to get off his high horse, because he clearly isn’t the mega fan that knows all like he thinks he is.
I agree. I personally don't really like Ahsoka very much. I don't think she was needed for Anakin's story to be heart wrenching and interesting. Objectively, my issue with her is being given to Anakin as an apprentice so soon after Attack of the clones. Like, why would obi wan be okay with this?? Not to mention, she didn't exist in preexisting lore up to that point?? What was filoni and the writers thinking??? They could have injected her in the events of the clone wars without raising all these questions.
@Itsover..866 @melnik_edits Oh, really? "'The fact that Saw Gerrera didn't even use his expertise to help make a more comprehensive backup plan in case the Empire found the Ersos is a huge flaw. Leia was dumb enough to use the excuse of being on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan after her ship was at the scene of a space battle, the very battle in which the Rebels acquired the Death Star's plans, which were transmitted to the very ship she was on, the Tantive IV. Vader said that multiple transmissions were beamed to the Tantive IV by Rebel spies, which didn't happen. Playing dress up hardly constitutes as being a spy, especially without any identification and cover alias. In addition, there was only one transmission. The opening text crawl of ANH mentioned that the Rebels struck from a hidden base, which didn't happen. Galen legit said: "I did the one thing nobody expected, I lied" If there's one thing anyone would expect you to do after everything that happened, it's lying. Heck, the first thing he did was lie to Krennic's face. That was before they murdered his wife, they ought to expect him to lie a lot more after that. There's also this little gem: "I played the part of a beaten man resigned to the sanctuary of his work.", which he was and as such, didn't need to pretend to be. The shocking part is that the Empire thought they could force him to do anything when he had nothing left to lose and that his daughter was safe with Saw Gerrera, whom, if found, would be used as leverage against him. However, they have no bargaining chips to use against him whatsoever, and have just murdered his wife. If I were them, I wouldn't even bother hiring him, let alone trust him as the lead architect of the Death Star. Tell me something, if you had just murdered a man's wife and kidnapped him to, say repair your broken down car, would you trust him to not booby trap it? Would you really? Actually, a better analogy would be if he were asked to install a bunch of weaponry like machine guns and rocket launchers on it, which is a heck of a lot more dangerous. Galen is in charge of building the most powerful superweapon in the galaxy, they're lucky he didn't rig it to self-destruct on its first test fire. Cassian stupidly caused a scene which then lead to him killing his informant for no good reason other than him insisting they talk in that area instead of somewhere more private, which then lead to him and the informant arguing loudly, 2 Storm Troopers then show up, that's already bad, but don't worry, it gets worse. They ask for some identification, and he turns around and says: "Yeah, of course. It's just… my gloves…" while not wearing any gloves whatsoever. He then shoots the 2 Storm Troopers dead, which attracts other Storm Troopers to the area. He stupidly turned an everyday encounter of being asked for identification into a deadly conflict when there was no impending danger. You could see the informant in the background trying to grab his identification, so, he clearly knew what the imperials were looking for. In addition, neither of the Troopers knew who they were, it's not like they were caught in some illegal act, which is why it was completely unnecessary for Cassian to shoot them right then and there instead of handing them his documents and going his merry way. He, and he alone, is responsible for the dreadful and unnecessary situation/outcome. If he did not have the necessary documents, which he would, if not legit then forged ones at least, then Rogue One (the movie) should've communicated such information. Cassian not only created this troublesome situation himself, but he ended up murdering his informant due to his impulsive decision-making. Common sense dictates that shooting Storm Troopers in a public place should always be a last resort. Jyn barely put up enough of a fight with Cassian and none with the Rebel leaders upon finding out they were responsible for her father's death, who was the very reason she was even motivated by the Rebel Alliance's cause to begin with. Tarkin didn't want the Rebellion to be aware of the Death Star, which doesn't make sense when you consider the fact they could destroy the Rebellion in one shot, which was the tactic used in ROTJ and was even attempted BY TARKIN in ANH. Also, since the Empire was planning to test the weapon anyway, why is it a problem that the Rebels get together? Even if the weapons test was postponed, the outcome would still be the same. The Rebels would still make a fleet and try to fight them. What difference does it make when the Rebels discover the existence of the Death Star? The bigger problem would be that the Rebels already found the weakness of the Death Star, which he never mentions because he's not aware of it yet. Tarkin should know that a weapons test will convince and push the Rebels to assemble a fleet a lot quicker than the simple knowledge that the Death Star exists, which would help the Empire more than it would the Rebels as it helps load all the Rebels into one force that could be entirely annihilated all at once. The Empire consists of power-hungry tyrants, so why would they be afraid of the Rebels ganging up on them. Tarkin arbitrarily blew up Alderaan in ANH, he had no care at all for who or what was on it, he destroyed it for fun just to boast his power. If they were realistically portrayed, they'd tell the Rebels: "You either send us all of your fleets immediately or we'll blow up random planets. In fact, start rounding up each other's fleets and hand them over and if anyone opposes our orders , you fight them for us or we'll destroy your homeworlds". Why would they build it if they were worried about the Senate discovering the existence of the Death Star? Why do they even care what the Senate thinks when they can disband it at the drop of a hat? Which happens in ANH. Basically, Tarkin's portrayal in Rogue One contradicts his actions and portrayal in ANH.' By the way, there are a LOT more than that. I highly recommend going to Ponstory Games' channel and go to the playlist tab, there you will find his unlisted breakdowns of TFA and Rogue One. I recommend saving the playlist and watching the videos for later, Rogue One being the first of course. His breakdown of Rogue One is the most refreshing take on the film I have ever seen. Most, if not all, of these criticisms originate from his most refreshing and enlightened take on this overrated sh*tstain of a movie, which has undoubtedly rippled into its equally overrated sh*tstain prequel of a show."
I remember how Sam Witwer (voiced Darth Marth in CW and Rebels) corrected Dave Filoni on Padme meeting Anakin's mother prior to her death, and Ashley Eckstein (Ahsoka's VA) backs this up.
He should have Dave’s job and be in charge of Disney Star Wars he has just as much passion about the franchise as the fans do and actually knows the lore
I hate how little people talk about the 2003 clone wars show. And if they do they repeat the same internet brainrot of “the action scenes are too crazy”. I’d rather have creators take creative liberties with action scenes than with the lore, characterizations, and overall story but I guess that’s just me 🤷♂️
The coreography of the prequels misses the point of why George went so dynamic on them: this was the height of the Jedi, so we'll see them fight with more gusto and skill than after 20 years of hiding from space fascists. Not to mention the Mustafar duel would always need to be very choreographed narratively: its a master vs his student in a fight to the death, of course they're basically even matched and dancing with eachother. Thats what you'd expect from two relative equals trying to kill each other but also not becuase brotherhood and emotional tension. Its all mind games Plus you couldn't have big flashy duels for a while because of technical limitations with early Saber props.
@@JonCrs10Exactly. He indicated in a TPM behind the scenes segment that very sentiment. Luke was trained by old men past their prime over the course of a few years, while the PT Jedi had literal decades or centuries of training. Please note, this is Lucas' vision, not necessarily the EU.
The corpse of Star Wars has been so vigorously defiled that Disney the defiler, still draping its flayed skin over itself like a hoodie, is beginning to see signs of necrotic infection. The best thing a Star Wars fan can do these days is disengage.
Worse than a corpse, it's a braindead husk. While still flayed, it's body still lives on life support, slowly rotting away from infection obviously gained from its lack of flesh. And Disney is happy to sodomize that rotting shell in front of us every time they release another shitty series or film. When George Lucas' time has come, they will do the same to him, and with gusto.
I still say it's less that, and more that he is being overworked or overworking himself. Think about it, with Clone Wars, Rebels, and Mando seasons 1 and 2, that's all he had to focus on at the time. Now, he has BOBF, Mandalorian, Ahsoka, Tales of the Jedi and Empire, and had the Bad Batch. There's too much quantity for him to put the full quality in.
Certain EU fans & Prequel haters are nauseating. They’ll complain about Dave Filoni since the run of the clone wars for things the man isn’t even that responsible for while still going up and down about how they prefer George Lucas Star Wars: You don’t like Ahsoka being alive post clone wars, blame George Lucas. (It was a Dave Filoni idea but George approved it.) You don’t like Mandalore being pacifists blame George Lucas (A George Lucas idea) You don’t like Anakin having a Padawan blame George Lucas (A George Lucas Idea) You don’t like Ahsoka blame George Lucas. (A George Lucas Character that Dave Filoni expanded on.) You don’t like the inhibitor chips in the clones blame George & Katie Lucas (George & his daughter came up with this.) You don’t like the show being more canon then your books, blame George Lucas. (George Lucas has been saying The EU is a parallel universe to his films for years, he’s also been saying The Clone Wars is in the same world as his films , telling the same story, and to him they’re one and the same, if certain Anti Clone Wars EU fans can’t accept George believes that, their idiots.) He’s the reason all of these things happened. He’s Dave Filoni’s boss. Dave Filoni was a second in command who did what George told him too. Ironically he was also an EU cheerleader always trying to put EU stuff in the show which George would only accept if he could alter it in some way. You can be critical of what Filoni does pre or post Disney but to hold him solely responsible for things you don’t like pre/post Disney when it comes to The Clone Wars is where fact becomes fiction. Dave Filoni played important roles in the show’s development and had creative control but he didn’t have as much creative control as his boss George Lucas who was actually in charge for all of seasons 1-6 and told Filoni what to do when making the show the entire time. George was the main driving force behind the show’s stories and direction more then anyone else involved. The whole reason that Zillow Beast Episode exist for example is because George Lucas walked up in the production of Clone Wars staff and told them they’re doing a Godzilla Episode. He oversaw each and every episode from seasons 1-6 before they were released. Anything some EU fans or prequel haters don’t like about this show , George is a thousand times more responsible for then Dave Filoni. It’s just like with Disney Star Wars , George Lucas isn’t in charge anymore but Dave Filoni still has multiple bosses above him who he has to answer to when doing anything , mainly Kathleen Kennedy so what they want is what he will do. The proof is in the pudding, this the reason why George even liked Dave working for him, George To Dave:“Do you know why I enjoy working with you? Well, you listen to me.” Does Dave Filoni have his own creative ideas and plans when it comes to Star Wars content, yes but Dave Filoni at the end of the day is a team player who does what he’s instructed by whoever’s in charge. Whatever he does or makes is by the influence , supervision and approval of people he works for. People blaming him solely for things they don’t like is just another scape goat for a much bigger problem.
As one should. It actually fits between Ep2 and Ep3, instead of having straight up Infinities-esque stuff like Maul coming back or Anakin having a Padawan.
@LordVader1094 exactly! It shows how anakin got his scar, why grevious has a cough, anakin starting down the path to darkness, and of course Mace being a bamf and demolishing droids with his bare hands
@@obi-juantacobi8552 I don't think 03 clone wars and "storytelling" go together It was a bunch of ads, pretty visuals without much substance just like TFA
I liked The Clone Wars when I saw it, but the more I think of it, after rewatching the 2003 micro series, I prefer that one. And it doesn't contradict the movies. Asajj Ventress was in it. Despite people thinking it was created by Filoni for the other show. And he gets a lot of credit for that show. The show was actually created by George. And from my understanding, Ahsoka was supposed to die but Filoni found a loophole and George said that it was ok. Not sure if by that time since George was selling to Disney, he didn't care anymore or whatever. Because seasons 7 and 8 were in production. Those were approved by George. Except Disney canceled it and when they brought it back, those weren't the ones George approved. He had nothing to do with those. Filoni got away with keeping Ahsoka alive and he used it on Rebels. He had a chance to kill her off there too, but he didn't. They did a time jump and we learned she was alive during the events or the original movies. Where exactly? I don't know. Why didn't she help the rebellion and Luke? I don't know. We found out Hera survived too. Where was she during those movies? I have no idea. Then he shoehorns Ahsoka in The Mandalorian too. And Bo Katan. By the way, shouldn't she either be really old or dead by that time?
Ahsoka Tano used to be one of my favorite Star Wars characters as back when Clone Wars 3D was being made, I remember noticing a lot more girls getting into Star Wars and thinking that, as a young boy ever so slowly getting more and more into girls, I thought that was pretty awesome. Nowadays though Filoni has overused Ahsoka so goddamn much to the point she isn't even cool to me anymore. She doesn't need to be in FUCKING EVERYTHING Filoni.
@@trevturp6891 Dude, you're taking this a little too literally. I know technically she isn't in everything by Filoni, but she's been in an overwhelming majority of Filoni made content because he can't seem to know when to let go of his characters, so he runs them into the ground to the point they aren't cool anymore. Go outside and get some air.
Agreed. I feel the "ashoka show" make me disliked the character a Lot. Ashoka should have bite the dust long ago. And some other characters to. But for some reason now no one can die in starwars. Specially when lightsabers are involved
Imagine if Dave Filoni Directed a show based on the Old Republic. He’ll find a way to insert Ahsoka there. Still, Ahsoka went from an alright character that was introduced from The Clone Wars to a disgusting OC imo. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dave revealed that she was the REAL chosen one :P
Filoni's lore inconsistencies, retcons and canon breaking from TCW onwards made it hard to keep enjoying his garbage. As a fan of him years ago, Rebels was the start of my disillusion with Disney Star Wars because as a Clone Wars fan at the time that show was bland and boring.
@@LordVader1094 That frustrates me as someone who wants to make a story. Filoni is the poster boy of doing that. I mean look at the purrgil design differences between Rebels and Ahsoka.
His retcons are the worst. He keeps taking interesting bits of lore from the Star Wars universe and changing them so they're all the same. He took Anaxes, a military stronghold planet famous for its university that trained navy geniuses like Veers or Nadine, and changed it to be yet another sparsely populated backwater with nothing interesting on it. Like we didn't have enough of those planets already.
Karen Travis is just as bad as Dave Filoni, disregarded established lore, glorified her own mary sues at the expense of other characters, demonized jedi, they're the same.
@@russianoverkill3715 I was always under the impression that the almost comically obscene glorification of the Mandalorians and complete and utter demonisation of the Jedi in the Republic Commando series was because it was written from the in-universe perspective of Mandalorians like Kal Skirata and Walon Vau as well as the Null-class ARCs, all of whom had reasonable reasons to have a personal hatred of the Jedi (or who are at the very least taught to hate and/or distrust them in the case of the Nulls). I do agree, however, that she made the Mandalorians overpowered Mary Sues; I don't remember which novel it was (I think it was part of Legacy of the Force) but she bizarrely made one of Boba Fett's supposedly "elite Mandalorian Supercommandos" who went on to fight the Yuuzhan Vong a literal fourteen year old girl. The Nulls were also extremely 'overpowered' to the point of almost being entirely boring; though they are admittedly quite cool. I'm also fairly certain that it was Karen Traviss who decided to kill off Mara Jade for seemingly no other reason than shock factor, though I could be remembering that wrong.
Yeah but her lore was shit anyway, Traviss had a ridiculous hate boner for Jedi and was downright masturbatory towards Mandalorians. KotOR did Mandalorians far better than she ever did.
I never liked Filoni's writing. Way too much plot armour and favoritism (especially for his OCs). Childish and uninteresting while trying way too hard to be mature and philosophical with boring walking scenes (especially in his live action shows).
God, FINALLY someone sees it. I've been saying for years that he tries so hard to be mature and high minded but his content is usually very one dimensional and immature. And people looked at me like I was crazy and told me I must be a Sequel lover or something.
Took me a long time to get how insane the writing has gotten, but even during the 2010s' Clone Wars' original run, I had a bit of a problem: everyone is underpowered compared to their 2000s selves. Grievous went from a horror movie monster to a cartoon villain, the jedi (with the exception being Yoda in the first episode) went from being able to take on whole armies of droids to being way more reliant on the clones and going from practical demigods to "Oh look! I can make things float." Now some might argue whether this is Filoni, George, or someone else. I don't care. I hate how lame they've made the Jedi and Sith over the past two decades. Sith were supposed to be sorcerers who could ruin planets just by using the environment and their ability to use the force in order to twist it, causing extinction level events or else destroy their opponents' sanity by dredging up their most primal fears. The Jedi in turn are supposed to be the knights who stand as the only means to stop these monsters, literally using the light of the Force to beat back the darkness, instill peace to the fearful, quieting hatred and establishing understanding between enemies. Instead, we have...well, we have over a decade of downgrades from even before the Mouse annexed Lucas' kingdom, so I need not get bogged down in details. At this point, Han is right: all you need is a good blaster at your side. What's the point of spending decades learning the secrets of the force if the payoff is being on the same level as a trooper with basic training?
Best example is The Acolyte. As insiders said, Feloni got all scripts for review. He may even have rewritten things that made problems. What we got as a result: A complete insult to the Star Wars spirtit and a destruction of the Jedi and Good vs. Evil. The Acolyte just completely disregards previous lore and even gets rid of the thee whole premisse: The fight of Good vs Evil. As it is it is said in Episode 6: "Good and evil are just a matter of perspective." DISGUSTING
@@robertmclease Of course Headland is responsible, because she has no talents and she was the director, but that is not all! Feloni did get all the scripts before they where implemented for lore-checking and also Headland says, that Feloni hat a lot of impact on the show. There are also rumors, that Feloni took over when things were going south and did script changes and re-shots. I would not trust Headland on the matter, but there are also third party sources that confirmed his influence on the show, because he sells himself as George Lucas' acolyte (which he was not).
@What_do_I_Think If he's Lucas's Acolyte, that means Lucas himself has fallen to the Dark Side...which I'm pretty sure is common knowledge at this point.
@@autobotstarscream765 It is NOT common knowledge and I totally disagree! Maybe you should watch this video again (or a first time) and others about Feloni. He claims that he was specially selected by Lucas, but other than his boasting, there is not so much evidence. He was hired .... wow, but Lucasfilm has so many hires. He claims to talk to Lucas all the time --- do we have evidence and confirmation from Lucas? I doubt it. But we have evidence that he does not care about the lore and the world that Lucas created -- and that is fact enough for me.
Filoni is a classic sycophant, which is another form of liar / deceiver / manipulator. And that one trait alone qualifies him as a metaphysically evil person. We refer to him as Edna Filoni in my household.
As someone that liked Clone Wars and even Rebels to an extent I agree with Filoni's critics. Dude has proven to be a total fraud without Lucas overseeing everything like the early years of the Clone Wars. The fact he undid Ahsoka's death in the cheapest way possible (time travel/dimensional travel) because he couldn't possibly face the fact that his waifu had to go for Luke's story to make sense really showed where his heart truly lied.
The only weird bit (I don't go behind the scenes much) came from sam witter. Filoni wanted to make a scene where Anakin revisits his mother's grave to "show/talk" about his wife. Wishing that shimi could've meet her Then he goes on to say how flabbergasted the entire studio was because Sam corrected Dave on star wars lore. Also the way the rule of two is portrayed towards the end of TWC it never sat right.
I’ve never been into Filoni’s stuff honestly and have always thought the 2008 Clone Wars was okay at best, but nothing phenomenal. The 2003 Clone Wars will always be the best Clone Wars as it fits between Episodes II and III way better than Filoni’s Clone Wars.
Yep, and maybe even worse, he's just another souless yes-man, simply workin' his way up the corporate Disney ladder.... aka, the "banality of evil" indeed!
@@klowen7778 Agreed, but he was a nuisance long before disney bought Star Wars. The guy has no respect whatsoever regarding other Star Wars work, he will literally overwrite and retcon everything with his shitty ideas. He also seems to have a hard-on for killing other peoples characters with his own fanfic characters, like when zeb is responsible for Rukh’s demise in rebels, adi gallia being killed by savage opress when originally that kill belonged to Grievous, as well as two of those bad batch clones killing Scorch from Delta Squad. Its like he wants to take a dump on other creators characters by making his oc characters look superior. He is such an imbecile.
@@klowen7778 Agreed, but he was already a nuisance before disney bought Star Wars. He does not care whatsoever about other Star Wars works and will overwrite and retcon it with his bad ideas. He also seems to have a hard-on for killing other peoples characters with his own horrible fanfic oc’s. Like when Rukh got killed by zeb in rebels, when Adi Gallia got killed by savage opress when she was originally killed by Grievous, and when two of those bad batch clones killed Scorch. It is like he is making a statement that his bad fanfic characters are superior.
I was born in 1990. My best friends and me were star wars fans from being three years old. I remember that we were so excited to go to each and every movie showing. We gasped at Shadows of the Empire, the Dark Empire etc. We loved this stuff, even had our own debates. Now, in 2008 we all refused to go see the FIloni bantha podoo. We refused as we thought the premise made absolute no sense. While we remained fans for a while, that broke something in us. In reality, George was wanting to retire, and Filoni took over forcibly. I thought Filoni should have been fired in 2008. Time proved me right. However, sadly as you say, he should have been fired over a decade ago, and now it may be too late.
Wrong, clone wars series had some amazing episodes or arcs and Lucas also participated in creation of the show, he came up with the idea Anakin had a padawan not Filoni, but Filoni created Ahsoka herself. 2008 clone wars movie was bad, but also the prequel trilogy had many bad scenes and annoying characters. Jar Jar became even more annoying, as a kid was ok, but now as 30+ adult hes terrible and almost fully ruining ep1
They would be better off giving Tony Gilroy complete creative control over Star Wars at this point. At least we’d get a lot more decent Star Wars that way, I thought andor season 1 was some of the best television I’ve ever watched. Did I fall asleep like a lot of people did in the beginning episodes, yes, but when I went back and gave it another go I regretted falling asleep.
@@mogyir as a 29 year old adult that recently has watched episode 1, Jar Jar isn’t even that bad, not so bad that it ruins the experience of the movie. What annoys me more is shitty CW network esque acting and dialogue, which is what we’re getting in bulk with these new shows beside Andor and maybe Mando. Also if you research you will find that Filoni only fully wrote a couple/few episodes for TCW and those were forgettable. All of the great arcs in TCW weren’t written by him.
It took the Ahsoka show for a lot of people to start seeing him as a hack lol. The fact that people “consult” him as some type of a Star Wars lore expert knowing what he did to concepts he took from the EU makes me laugh.
What pisses me off is that George Lucas is still alive and a phone call away. Why the f%$# are they consulting with this hack of a loser? Feloni Balony!
Ashoka went from being a well-rounded character to her existence being a detriment to the universe in the same manner as Rey Palpatine, (who will NEVER be the heart of SW regardless of what KK thinks) she should have absolutely died by Vader’s hands in a final last stand but no that was just too much for Filoni the Hack.
The 2003 Clone Wars series paired up with the Dark Horse Comics is my favorite version of the Clone Wars. We lost so many cool stories like Quinlan Vos and Master Tholme because Lucas decided he wanted to a different version and erase all the cool EU stories. Its his right as the creator but im still bummed out about it
In this version, Yuji Naka, Naoto Oshima, and Hirokazu Yasuhara are one person named George Lucas; and Lucas, Kathleen Kennedy Penders, and Ian Felony are all aligned in one united front against the fans.
Dave Faloni was given a shot at the helm of a show in writing and execution in Ahsoka 2023. A poorly written, poorly directed and acted show. It’s all him, Faloni accepted the acolytes decisions to mess with canon, as he to has disregarded it himself. The clone wars best arcs weren’t even written by him, and the bad batch being as good as it was was because it was written by better writers. Faloni has had good moments and is great for the clone wars show and what he did contribute it. But he’s not the next George Lucas he’s very flawed and people just tend to skip over critiquing him cause he was the apprentice of George Lucas so whatever he does is fine and can be forgiven. That’s not right, I don’t trust Faloni, to me the only good creative working Star Wars at the moment is Tony Gilroy from rogue one and Andor s1 and upcoming s2, he’s gave us arguably the best written Star Wars project since the original trilogy, yet people skip over it cause they thought Andor was boring
I also heard that the EU fans just dislike Andor for adding real life swears when Star Wars had their own in universe, but to be fair I feel like Tony Gilroy is way better than Filoni, I can only hope that Andor Season 2 will not be something overhyped that will fall quickly as another bad Star Wars project
My Wife went to College with Filoni and worked with him on 'King of the Hill'. As far as she could tell, at least at THAT point, he was a serious Star Wars fan. Of course, we don't know how often during the years he would think, 'I could do this Better', or, 'I want This.' But his later actions and behaviors make it clear that this, 'I WANT' mindset was definitely there, under the surface.
I personally love both Clone Wars (2003) and The Clone Wars (2008) and Ahsoka as a character, but she should've died in rebels. She is way overused, and I don't like her anymore.
If there is one thing I’m happy about it’s that I’m glad I watched the clone wars tv show in my late teenage years. I saw the flaws of the show and more importantly Dave Filoni. I’m not a fan who was clouded by false hope from someone who didn’t even create the clone wars or nostalgia.
@VolkovVelikan agreed. Too many people gave him passes because he would put Bane or someone in the clone wars like that forgave him for all the lore he absolutely crapped on
Finally people starts to realize that, whatever good things The Clone Wars had, was THANKS and not DESPITE George Lucas. Filoni is a fanboy who had the luck of working with people more talented than him.
@@russianoverkill3715 Lucas is not perfect. I think everyone agrees with that. But he can make a story feel like Star Wars. Because it's his property, the one he created.
This makes me feel bad for liking TCW, it’s sad seeing something you liked turn out to actually be awful. How did George let some storyboarder get full control over his franchise?
Naah there is no reason to feel bad about liking a show. He fails to mention that the Eu retconned itself multiple times. The Eu is interesting and has awesome books but most is just decent
No, its not a pleasant feeling realizing a product you consumed or an idea you believed in wasn't that good, or even any good at all, but being able to realize that and admit it is a positive thing and part of personal growth. So don't be too upset about it. As for George, the simple truth is he never really cared about Star Wars. It was always about the money for him. Other people made Star Wars good. And usually by finding ways around his nonsense.
@@davidfrederiksen3185 Yeah but that's ignoring that the Clone Wars Multi-Media Project, which included 2003 CW, had been THE most consistent material in all of the EU, fitting between Episode 2 and 3. It wasn't like the earlier EU that had to work a ton to fit in with the evolving prequels or needed to retcon over itself repeatedly, it worked WITH the prequels. 2008 had no reason to throw all of it away like it did. The CWMMP is legitimately more consistent with the films than 2008 TCW is.
@@davidfrederiksen3185The Jedi weren't even that OP in the 2003 series. Also Quinlan Vos, Eith Koth and many othe Jedi had their stories rewritten by TCW. Hell they completely swapped Ventress's species and rewrote the entire planet of Dathomir arguably for the worse
Filoni's problems are twofold. 1) He treats live action stories like cartoons where he introduces lore-breaking concepts for fun and doesn't get his actors to emote, as if they were voice actors. 2) He's a bootlicker who bows to whoever is in charge, in this case KK and happily allows modern feminism to ooze out of his stories.
Filoni is married to a typical angry twitter feminist, so of course he's the type of man who would be fine with "modern feminism" in his stories. He's a simp/yes man who would do anything to maintain his childish fantasy of pretending he's the boss of Star Wars. I don't know why anyone even bothers with him or his company at this point. Move on.
I don’t think people understand or have overestimated DAVE FELONI as a creative is may seem to look like SAVIOR OF STAR WARS, he’s more of a repairman. he’s meant to make the movies make sense
Anything pre Disney. A lot of it is a problem created by Disney that said everything they do (books, movies, tv, video games, comics) is canon. Where in the Lucas era only the movies were considered canon, and all the expanded universe was just side content.
I tried several times to watch and get into the clone wars. I couldn't, I didn't like it at all. Maybe if I was 10 but not as an adult. It's too "kiddy" for my liking.
Yeah, the Revenge of the Sith novel establishes that Grievous is the ruthless right hand of an equally dangerous organization, whereas the Clone Wars treats them like they're jokes because the writers are absolutely petrified of having the villains actually be competent antagonists
@@jeremyallen5974we’re not talking about the ORIGINAL gendy tartakovsky cw right. That is an excellent show filled with gravitas, which is imo infinitely rewatchable
Great video on Darth Filoni! Casual fans apparently see the guy as the Messiah of Star Wars, when in actuality, he's been doing more damage than they thought. He has been a sellout since the Disney buyout.
@@LastKingLKArthur He ruined a bunch of other characters as well, like turning Quinlan Vos from basically the Wolverine of Jedi into a wannabe Big Lebowski and Barriss Offee from a healer into a terrorist. And don't get me started on Thrawn.
TCW, written by him alongside George and many others, is one of the best official expansions to SW canon to date that is not limited to books or old comics. I agree that the stuff under him released by Disney has been pretty much at its peak mediocre.
Filoni was seen at Skywalker Ranch during the creation of The Phantom Menace. This contradicts the claim he came in later. I think we are dealing is a British Version of Plinkett doing satire.
@@Hello-bi1pm not a joke. Check out the making of Phantom Menace, he might have been an intern or something or part of ILM or something. But he was there.
I'm very much of the belief Disney simply followed Filoni's playbook when they acquired the franchise. The dude's a fraud yet folks still cling to him as its only hope. For me, Star Wars ended August 2008. Anything after that is pure fanfiction, no matter the source.
I am a Sonic fan, and it shocks me how similar is the situation with Ian Flynn and our franchise. Literally every beat is the same: a franchise in a rough state, the guy comes as a 'saviour' and a genius of writing and lore despite being both a bad writer and disrespectful to the contributions of other people. They both have this narcissist tendency where they try to control the franchise to their vision and step on everything else. Even worse, and i don't know if this is the case with Filoni, Flynn fostered a toxic and cult like fanbase centered around his figure that polices and attacks everyone who dares to criticize. These are truly the worst people, false heroes that will leave the franchises in worse states than when they arrive
YES! Agree with you 100% I remember when he was all like, "Sonic thinks Eggman can change and be good," even putting that in the IDW comics, then Sega of Japan (the real owners of the franchise) contradicted that by having Sonic say he doesn't think Eggman can ever change and even makes a joke about the possibility in a video on SoJ's YT, and Flynn got all pissy about it saying he doesn't even want to "dignify that with a response." The way he writes Amy is also really bad. She's nothing like she used to be, and she lost a lot of her spunk. Unfortunately, anyone who points out Flynn's flaws is called a troll. Whenever someone actually makes good arguments about him, the rest of the fan base refuses to listen and just ignores them.
@stevemclovin1566 Right? I remember that as well. Some were saying that was likely Sonic Team's BS, but I don't know. It very well could have been Flynn's BS.
They even look a lot alike when they wear the same hat! I despised how he changed Proto Man's charatcter in the Archie comics. It was then I couldn't really stand his efforts. I saw this comment in the video "cyber corruption of Sonic stories" I think it bears sharing. I disagree about the "doesn't have philosophy" part however: "Following issue #50 of the IDW comics, people started getting more openly upset towards how its version of Sonic was portrayed. The short version is that the central theme of the comic (intentionally or no) is about Sonic's heroic philosophy of compassion and mercy coming into conflict with both villains who refuse to change and the impact they leave on Sonic's friends and other innocent people. Fundamental misunderstanding of Sonic's core character aside (Sonic doesn't have a philosophy, he's a nice guy who just does what he wants for the sake of it), the comic never has Sonic outright confront his ideals, and instead has him go on wordy and pretentious platitudes about how he's a superhero and he wants everyone to be free and blah blah blah you suck for not agreeing with him. The comic can't be totally in favor of Sonic's ideals because it indeed shows the negative consequences of them, it can't be totally against Sonic's ideals because it puts him on a pedestal both in-universe and from a storytelling perspective, and it can't be a case of "the true answer is somewhere in between" because it never reaches any sort of resolution or answer. Kids reading the book will likely either think Sonic's self-righteous attitude is something that should be emulated (a bad takeaway), or they'll hate Sonic for being a pushover and think the lesson is to always punish evil and never look for the good in people (also a bad takeaway). Crap on the Sonic movies all you want, but at least they have narrative stakes and themes. Sonic learns he can't run from his problems, Tails learns to become more confident, Knuckles learns that heroism is about helping others rather than just the glory of handling yourself. Kids have something meaningful to take away when they leave the theater. Now, after seeing all the discourse surrounding it, how did Mr. Ian Flynn, the so-called "best Sonic writer" who "understands the characters" and "is pretty much a god for Sonic", respond? Did Flynn acknowledge criticism from people (some of his own fans included), and vow to do better in the future? Nah, but Daniel Barnes did that for his own work, so good on that guy. Did Flynn try to explain why he chose to write Sonic a certain way, thus showing his mindset as a writer and allowing readers to judge it more fairly? Nah, that requires valuing personal introspection and personal responsibility, and nobody has time for that. If neither of those were the case, then what did Mr. Flynn do? Well, after stating that issue #50 was about Sonic conveying the "SEGA standard" for his character to the audience, he followed up with this: "[Sonic's] point of view is very simple and idealized, but it's also a children's fantasy. You know, we're not going to be able to answer these high-level moral questions that humanity has been grappling with since we had an understanding of morality to begin with in a Sonic book, this is introductory level. And if you're in your twenties or thirties or forties and you don't find this surface-level approach fully satisfying… go read adult material. Go read stuff that does delve into that, and does try to tackle it, and does something smarter. This- this is not something smarter." Need I say more?"
In the earlier 2008, when I started to watch Star Wars movies, and watched the microsseries, what made me like and get interested in beyond movies' stuff, even when I was interested on TCW and know about Ahsoka, I never felt that TCW fits on the movies properly. It's always artificial to me, like TCW always felt like a big fanfic, a secondary story, who was never supposed to be canon to begin with. And today, known what Felony did to George Lucas and to the Expanded Universe, simply made me sick... It would be better if they contracted another director, like Genndy Tatakovsky again why not, to direct TCW, or simply never made this show, or even made a Republic comics' animated adaptation instead, this would be perfect.
@@9822703 Yeah, to me TCW feels like a US WW2 propaganda, and the CW microsseries feels like an actual warfield transmission, some kind of an intercepted radio frequency.
Ahsoka is basically a perfect snapshot of what Filoni has done for the worse for Star Wars. Ahsoka is a Mary Sue who somehow gets to hang with Anakin Skywalker and Obi-wan the Main characters of the Prequel Era, somehow is allowed to command fleets and entire military units, never gets punished when she cost the lives of many Clones on fruitless risky tactics. There was no way Anakin would be given an Padawan to learn from him, Obi-Wan and Yoda would never go for it. Obi-Wan especially since he knows how Anakin is with attachments and how immature he is still. Then in Rebels Ahsoka has time travel pulled out of Filoni's rear just to save her from Vader, from then she just basically takes over Star Wars like you said, she is now the Main Character of Star Wars not Luke or Anakin.
Oh he used The time travel not time travel asspull twice after Baylan beat her. Now fans want her to be some force deity and it's clearly what Dave is going for with the rumors of the second season of Ahsoka involving abaloth.
@@baki484 This is just downright a coup attempt to try and make Ahsoka the most important and powerful in Star wars. I'm half waiting to hear or see Ashoka can beat Palpatine or fully realised Anakin. Making her some light side god is just wrong and would ruin the whole Universe's foundations. Who knows she might go back in time and fight Palpatine or even go back to the start and teach the first Jedi and create the order originally.
The only things you can really say against him is that he is really the only person who has overwritten some Star Wars canon, which is all supposed to be fully canon and not able to be changed or overwritten, it’s all supposed to be completely consistent. You can’t really be mad about him “overwriting” EU legends stuff because it always had tiers and could be overwritten by higher tiers. He needs to learn how canon works. He’s still in the legends mindset of ignoring “lesser” tiers as I’ve heard George encouraged him to do as George never really cared about the legends EU anyways.
You all remember when official Star Wars announcements were important and there was massive traffic on those sites? Remember when the toys and merch were important and chugged out tons of profits for decades? Remember when the whole IP was worth billions?! Anybody anywhere would have agreed it was worth billions. Remember that Disney?! Remember?!
Dave's disrespect for continuity has spread like and infection look no further than Ki Adi Mundi appearing in the Acolyte decades before he's born. Sh*t was changed in real time.
That was established in legends not canon. George Lucas also shit all over the Eu, do you know who also didn't follow the Eu, the Eu itself. It is only in never time people have started to see canon as something precious
Yoda in episode 1: There is always two a master and an apprentice. Yoda was 984 years old when he died. They didn't saw a sith until episode 1 since a 1000 years. Yoda born after that the siths disapperad and somehow he know about the rule of two. How?? They literally said both things in the same movie. And the rule of two was created by after 99% of the siths was vanished. It's a big continuity error.
He also forgot that Shmi and Padme had a dinner in Episode 1, Which - not gonna lie is a thing possible to forget, but when you're making an episode of The Clone Wars and want to do certain ideas, you should get research and make sure your ideas make sense, like: Sam Witwer literally had to correct him.
@@willyzsafe-roomu9435 I like how he retconned the Ahsoka novel and Maul's capture to having ahsoka beat him combat (I'm being sarcastic) instead outsmarting him like in the novel to make her look better. Messing up the events of the last padawan comics with the first episode of the Bad Batch or retconning ventress' death.
Ki-Adi-Mundi time traveled, for the same reason he does anything: to score more pussy and stuff it with the next generation of midichlorian-filled younglings to fuel the Jedi Order.
I think Filoni's problem is he like many fans see him as the successor to Lucas so to them he can do no wrong. My take is more right now he has to do what the Rat wants if he wants to stay at Lucasfilm. What we need is to destroy Disney as a company and see what he does with Star Wars after he is no longer on the Rat's leash.
Honestly, my problems with Filoni first began when he did the CGI Clone Wars show. It contradicted what was already shown in the 2D Genndy Tartakovsky series but also the Clone Wars Multimedia project as a whole. I tried to reconcile it fitting into the canon but in order to do that it wound up changing stuff in the canon that made it feel more convoluted. Also, it didn't help that it was told out of order. I prefer back in the day when there were separate levels of canon and the CGI show had its own level and was treated as its own thing. But it eventually took over the rest of the canon. In fact, I have a theory that Dave Filoni's canon was a precursor to Disney changing the canon. I think when Disney took over it finally gave them an excuse to change the canon as that was happening anyway. Still sad tbh.
The old EU might not be perfect but it at least respected George Lucas canon continuity far more than anything filoni has done, also the EU writers care about continuity and consistency unlike dave filoni who doesn't care to retcon even George Lucas 1-6 filoni writing skills are kindergarten level his histories are childish with no depth stakes world building creativity inspiration he lacks of understanding of character development and progression he doesn't understand how the force works it's a plot device for him he disrespect the EU fans but love to cherry pick lore from it to destroy everything people love about the EU
@@nickytembo4112 maybe. But only so far as his plotting. Dave has that stupid notion that he can make mysteries only he knows the answer to. Ian Flynn basically said that "it's for kids" when confronted about his Sonic characterization in issue 50 of IDW. And with the way he butchered Proto Man from Mega Man I have practically no respect for him.
Ahsoka is a cartoon character NOT a real Star Wars character, she wasn't in nor would she fit in the prequels. Ahsoka only fits in a "what if" style setting e.g. "What if Star Wars was stupid and cartoony"
Crazy how the story of Dune(Which many people say star wars was inspired by) ultimately predicted the downfall of the franchise: •Paul and Dave were both considered messiahs by many of the fremen/Star wars Casuals •Both claimed to ‘Save’ Arrakis/Star wars from Baron Harkonnen/Kathleem Kennedy •Both ultimately did the opposite and brought ruin and destruction Ik many star wars fans don’t like Dune but I thought it was an interesting coincidence
Nice summary of who he really is and what he has really done. Certainly seems like a high grade problem narcissist. My biggest concern is how George Lucas didn't see it, even after working with him. The same can be said about why George could not see through Kathleen Kennedy. The fact that KK and Feloni worked in harmony together should forever dispel the myth that 2 problem narcissists can never work together to quadruple the damage that they can do alone. So long as they feed each other sufficient narcissistic supply, 2 problem narcissists can get along. Quite frankly, I find this realization terrifying.
I view Dave as a director that can make good content, as long as he also has competent oversight like George Lucas. Left to his own devices he's a disaster
Clone Wars had multiple writers, while Rebels had lesser, but Ahsoka was written entirely by Dave Filoni. It really proves that the more creative power Filoni had, the more it exposed him as an amateur who NEEDS a talented team of writers.
This is a really good summary of why Dave Faloni is a blight on Star Wars. I say this as someone who used to defend and enjoy The Clone Wars and, to a lesser extent, Rebels when I was younger. He's not quite on the level of talentless hackery as people like Rian Johnson or JJ Abrams, but he was never very good to begin with, and has done nothing but deteriorate in quality over the years. I'd say the main reason he's gotten away with his poor quality writing for so long, is that he at least has some level of awareness of what Star Wars fans like to see, even if it's only surface level stuff. He knows people like Thrawn, but doesn't have a clue how to actually write him properly, so he just hopes the name recognition will carry him. I lost what little faith I had left in him after the atrocious Ahsoka show, and I have no idea how anybody can still defend him after that. Sheev Talks has 2 absolutely fantastic videos detailing how much of the writing of The Clone Wars is really bad, and massively damages Star Wars canon, even if you don't take into account what he did to the EU. If anything, I'd say his video is too kind to that show, and he still absolutely rips it apart. I think the worst crimes he committed were making General Grievous and Count Dooku into cartoonish morons, and the absolute world-breaking insanity of the Night Sisters magic powers.
But that also served as an unfettered hate letter to the prequels Apparently even though the fanbase is nostril deep in shit at this point they STILL won't grow up and accept that the PT isn't NEARLY as bad as the internet said they were in the late 2,000s
How is rian johnson a talentless hack compared to jj abrams?? His movie is the only disney project besides andor that isnt tied to blatant nostalgia and lightsaber porn.
It should be noted that Sheev Talks also has a 2 hour video the Phantom Menace and how parts of it contradict the OT as well. He and some others like him take writing incredibly seriously and analyze almost every shot and scene looking at how it fits into the whole. Some of his buds have done the same type of analysis on Spider-man and how it's badly written according to them (which might be fair depending on your standards).
@@Aistis1918 Well, it should also be noted how his love for andor, which was based on rogue one, and even has tony gilroy working on it, has way more duds than the [REDACTED]s realize. For example: "The fact that Saw Gerrera didn't even use his expertise to help make a more comprehensive backup plan in case the Empire found the Ersos is a huge flaw. Leia was dumb enough to use the excuse of being on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan after her ship was at the scene of a space battle, the very battle in which the Rebels acquired the Death Star's plans, which were transmitted to the very ship she was on, the Tantive IV. Vader said that multiple transmissions were beamed to the Tantive IV by Rebel spies, which didn't happen. Playing dress up hardly constitutes as being a spy, especially without any identification and cover alias. In addition, there was only one transmission. The opening text crawl of ANH mentioned that the Rebels struck from a hidden base, which didn't happen. Galen legit said: "I did the one thing nobody expected, I lied" If there's one thing anyone would expect you to do after everything that happened, it's lying. Heck, the first thing he did was lie to Krennic's face. That was before they murdered his wife, they ought to expect him to lie a lot more after that. There's also this little gem: "I played the part of a beaten man resigned to the sanctuary of his work.", which he was and as such, didn't need to pretend to be. The shocking part is that the Empire thought they could force him to do anything when he had nothing left to lose and that his daughter was safe with Saw Gerrera, whom, if found, would be used as leverage against him. However, they have no bargaining chips to use against him whatsoever, and have just murdered his wife. If I were them, I wouldn't even bother hiring him, let alone trust him as the lead architect of the Death Star. Tell me something, if you had just murdered a man's wife and kidnapped him to, say repair your broken down car, would you trust him to not booby trap it? Would you really? Actually, a better analogy would be if he were asked to install a bunch of weaponry like machine guns and rocket launchers on it, which is a heck of a lot more dangerous. Galen is in charge of building the most powerful superweapon in the galaxy, they're lucky he didn't rig it to self-destruct on its first test fire. Cassian stupidly caused a scene which then lead to him killing his informant for no good reason other than him insisting they talk in that area instead of somewhere more private, which then lead to him and the informant arguing loudly, 2 Storm Troopers then show up, that's already bad, but don't worry, it gets worse. They ask for some identification, and he turns around and says: "Yeah, of course. It's just… my gloves…" while not wearing any gloves whatsoever. He then shoots the 2 Storm Troopers dead, which attracts other Storm Troopers to the area. He stupidly turned an everyday encounter of being asked for identification into a deadly conflict when there was no impending danger. You could see the informant in the background trying to grab his identification, so, he clearly knew what the imperials were looking for. In addition, neither of the Troopers knew who they were, it's not like they were caught in some illegal act, which is why it was completely unnecessary for Cassian to shoot them right then and there instead of handing them his documents and going his merry way. He, and he alone, is responsible for the dreadful and unnecessary situation/outcome. If he did not have the necessary documents, which he would, if not legit then forged ones at least, then Rogue One (the movie) should've communicated such information. Cassian not only created this troublesome situation himself, but he ended up murdering his informant due to his impulsive decision-making. Common sense dictates that shooting Storm Troopers in a public place should always be a last resort. Jyn barely put up enough of a fight with Cassian and none with the Rebel leaders upon finding out they were responsible for her father's death, who was the very reason she was even motivated by the Rebel Alliance's cause to begin with. Tarkin didn't want the Rebellion to be aware of the Death Star, which doesn't make sense when you consider the fact they could destroy the Rebellion in one shot, which was the tactic used in ROTJ and was even attempted BY TARKIN in ANH. Also, since the Empire was planning to test the weapon anyway, why is it a problem that the Rebels get together? Even if the weapons test was postponed, the outcome would still be the same. The Rebels would still make a fleet and try to fight them. What difference does it make when the Rebels discover the existence of the Death Star? The bigger problem would be that the Rebels already found the weakness of the Death Star, which he never mentions because he's not aware of it yet. Tarkin should know that a weapons test will convince and push the Rebels to assemble a fleet a lot quicker than the simple knowledge that the Death Star exists, which would help the Empire more than it would the Rebels as it helps load all the Rebels into one force that could be entirely annihilated all at once. The Empire consists of power-hungry tyrants, so why would they be afraid of the Rebels ganging up on them. Tarkin arbitrarily blew up Alderaan in ANH, he had no care at all for who or what was on it, he destroyed it for fun just to boast his power. If they were realistically portrayed, they'd tell the Rebels: "You either send us all of your fleets immediately or we'll blow up random planets. In fact, start rounding up each other's fleets and hand them over and if anyone opposes our orders , you fight them for us or we'll destroy your homeworlds". Why would they build it if they were worried about the Senate discovering the existence of the Death Star? Why do they even care what the Senate thinks when they can disband it at the drop of a hat? Which happens in ANH. Basically, Tarkin's portrayal in Rogue One contradicts his actions and portrayal in ANH." By the way, there are a LOT more than that. I highly recommend going to Ponstory Games' channel and go to the playlist tab, there you will find his unlisted breakdowns of TFA and Rogue One. I recommend saving the playlist and watching the videos for later, Rogue One being the first of course. His breakdown of Rogue One is the most refreshing take on the film I have ever seen. Most, if not all, of these criticisms originate from his most refreshing and enlightened take on this overrated sh*tstain of a movie, which has undoubtedly rippled into its equally overrated sh*tstain prequel of a show.
I agree. a lot of people in the comments don’t even think the clone wars is good, but I think it’s the best Star Wars content we’ve gotten, even though his newer shows suck
TCW was all George’s idea or George just gave a few ideas and let Filoni do whatever the hell he wanted. Whatever the case, George is partly to blame for turning his back on the franchise. 2008 was the beginning of the end for Star Wars, with 2012 being its death. And 2014 being when Disney unburied the corpse and started raping it
@@SolurVoludun Real fans know the franchise died in 1978 when the atrocious holiday special released. Star Wars has been dead from the beginning dude. Those who think Star Wars died in 1999, or 2008 or 2015, yadda yadda etc etc are just shortsighted and complain about something that has already been ruined. Saying this as a massive Star Wars fan
@@chrisray250 1978 and 1999 was just Star Wars stumbling. In the first case it recovered two years later with Empire Strikes Back, and after 1999, Star Wars reached its peak in 2005 with Revenge of the Sith and the Expanded Universe being at its prime
Dave’s main problem is his entire writing revolves around It cool, it happen So much stuff of his is purely done because it sounds cool on paper while completely forgoing any of the setting rules, episode’s plot, established characters and basic writing conventions. Leading to things that at least look cool but completely collapse in on itself the moment you actually think about it. It’s funny how much better much of the episodes that aren’t directly directed and written by him for his series.
This is absolutely hilarious, vile eye is one of my favorite channels and seeing it parodied on the people responsible for ruining my childhood is a treat!
Not to Mention Ahsoka Had an In-Voice Cameo in Rise of Skywalker, & She Outlived the Skywalker/Solo Dynasty.
Most fans only like Ahsoka in Star Wars because of childhood crushes on her or they want to get into her pants. Honestly Filoni also would want to get in there as well if he could.
Don't remind me. Killing off the Skywalkers and Solos and they think we will give a damn about their other characters
*Oof*
Mother-fk, I had to catch my breath lmao. Another reason to ignore the sequels & Filoni's characters. At least we'll always have the EU!
Filoni was who everyone thought was going to be the hero, but he was twist villain working for the main antagonist the whole time.
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@@Ravi9A Han without his character development
Ahsoka surviving the clone wars was Ok, but she should have 100% died in Rebels against Vader. There is no excuse for her just roaming around during the OT time and not helping Luke against the empire.
Would have been a perfect end to her character. Oh well... 🤷
EXCELLENT WORK. J.J. PLAGIARISMS SKIP DAVE FILONI,
You either die a decent heroine, or live long enough to see yourself become another homogenized Strong Female Character™ with the personality of a brick.
There was no reason at all to make her survive vader, especially with time traveling BS. She literally has nothing to contribute to by the time the OT starts, she just becomes pointless filler with lightsabers, devaluing the other force users at the time.
She literally become Daves OC Waifu that he tries to insert into places she doesn't belong.
I thought exactly this during rebels!
I like ahsoka but I agree she should have died against vader or at the very least, wounded and scarred by him. Not the other way around.
They keep nerfing vader in all of these shows and even games like jedi survivor.
Filoni is definitely no Jedi. He's unable to give up his attachments to his creations. Ahsoka, Sabine, Bo Katan are basically his waifus.
Don't forget Hera, going from a Rebel pilot to some super important member of the New Republic.
And apparently can’t even remember who they were in their last appearance. Ahsoka in her self-titled series felt wrong compared to her last appearances in Rebels and even her cameos in the earlier live action series. Sabine (as well as Ezra) acted nothing like they would have been expected to just aging up their characters from Rebels. Sabine gets a little closer than Ezra, but that’s from her being illogically between the two paths her personality would have let her if Ezra being missing hit her so hard. Just covering her first live action appearance, she would have either thrown herself into helping her home city or isolated herself nearly completely. The weird being sorta involved but not, acting like a teenager when she didn’t act like that when actually a teenager made no sense. Bo Kataan feels like she was a different character since, again in Rebels, she was determined to win. If she was like that despite everything she goes through in The Clone Wars and the imperial period, why would she not continue on in the same way?
He's also biased towards them. In rebels, he practically let ahsoka look better than vader in a fight, then again in the live action show.
She's also center of the heir of the empire storyline with no luke in sight.
He acts like ahsoka is his sole creation even though george lucas came up with the idea. Dave didn't think anakin should have an apprentice
OCs at its worst
Allof these Mary Sues are awful and toxic "characters".
Dave Filoni wasn't even Lucas's first choice to head Lucasfilm Animation. Genndy Tartakovsky was that, and walked away from the position so he wouldn't be tied down to only making Star Wars projects. Lucas even compared Tartakovsky to a John Lasseter, former chief officer of Pixar Animation. Dave Filoni was probably one of the worst replacements for Tartakovsky, considering the latter actually can animate, direct, and follow continuity. He and his team even went so far as to make Ventress's lightsabers that she gets from Dooku, the ones that belonged to Dooku's former apprentice, Komari Vosa, antagonist in the Bounty Hunter Game. For somebody who gets all this praise, Dave Filoni has nowhere near the resume of Dexter's Laboratory, Primal, Samurai Jack, Powerpuff Girls, or the 2003 Clone Wars. I doubt Filoni and his team could even make 3 minute episodes that were so concisely well written. One is a master of animation and creativity, and the other is a master conartist.
dammit if only Gennady was the president of Lucasfilm! son of a bitch filoni had to be the greedy little bastard that he is as of right now
Really?! I would have loved to see more projects done by Tartakovsky. Darth Plagueis and The Darth Bane Trilogy. Imagine the Maladian Massacre in the '03 Clone Wars Style. That was easily one of the most epic scenes in the novel.
Edit: Imagine the Mace vs. Sidious duel in that style, based on the novelization's description.
Genndy is the OG! I love that guy.
God, Star Wars would be in a much better place if Tartakovsky was the one in charge.
So apparently Genndy was super excited to do a feature film and then the TV shows, and met with both Jim Morris (of ILM and Pixar) and George Lucas. To both Genndy and Morris's surprise, Lucas was against doing a feature film, which was the deal breaker. I really don't get this, especially as the 2008 CW first release was a feature film. I really feel as if Lucas shot himself in the foot by not just giving that a chance and limiting himself, to then find Dave Filoni, somebody who is rather mediocre in comparison to Genndy Tartakovsky, and who has since stabbed him in the back and really watered down the franchise to the point where it's barely recognized past clichés and all his own OC inserts.
I like Ahsoka Tano, but he overplayed her. I always had an issue with her being a padawan to Anakin, as it makes it turn to the dark side feel a little more unlikely and forced. Then having her as prominent in the overarching narrative was a bit much. I suspended my disbelief for the movie and subsequent TV series, but having her going toe to toe against Maul during the events of Revenge of the Sith? Having her in the background during the rise of the Empire and rebellion? Having her face off against Vader, who is somehow unaffected after seeing her, despite all they had been through, AND returning after the end of the Galactic Civil War?
Ignoring the Ahsoka issue, he also has a bit of a god complex. The fact that he thinks he is George Jr, that he knows the canon better than anyone, so much so that everyone was shocked when Sam Witwer called out his lore contradiction during the making of a Clone Wars episode. He is overconfident in his understanding of the lore. I get that he has a cowboy hat, but he needs to get off his high horse, because he clearly isn’t the mega fan that knows all like he thinks he is.
I agree. I personally don't really like Ahsoka very much. I don't think she was needed for Anakin's story to be heart wrenching and interesting. Objectively, my issue with her is being given to Anakin as an apprentice so soon after Attack of the clones. Like, why would obi wan be okay with this?? Not to mention, she didn't exist in preexisting lore up to that point?? What was filoni and the writers thinking??? They could have injected her in the events of the clone wars without raising all these questions.
1. Get rid of everything Disney-related
2. Get rid of everything Filoni-related
Wow, look at that, I fixed Star Wars.
idk why i would get rid of Andor...
@@melnik_editsit contradicts Legends lore
Rogue one wasn't that bad
@@melnik_editsbecause it was a boring suck fest
@Itsover..866 @melnik_edits
Oh, really?
"'The fact that Saw Gerrera didn't even use his expertise to help make a more comprehensive backup plan in case the Empire found the Ersos is a huge flaw.
Leia was dumb enough to use the excuse of being on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan after her ship was at the scene of a space battle, the very battle in which the Rebels acquired the Death Star's plans, which were transmitted to the very ship she was on, the Tantive IV.
Vader said that multiple transmissions were beamed to the Tantive IV by Rebel spies, which didn't happen. Playing dress up hardly constitutes as being a spy, especially without any identification and cover alias. In addition, there was only one transmission.
The opening text crawl of ANH mentioned that the Rebels struck from a hidden base, which didn't happen.
Galen legit said: "I did the one thing nobody expected, I lied" If there's one thing anyone would expect you to do after everything that happened, it's lying. Heck, the first thing he did was lie to Krennic's face. That was before they murdered his wife, they ought to expect him to lie a lot more after that. There's also this little gem: "I played the part of a beaten man resigned to the sanctuary of his work.", which he was and as such, didn't need to pretend to be. The shocking part is that the Empire thought they could force him to do anything when he had nothing left to lose and that his daughter was safe with Saw Gerrera, whom, if found, would be used as leverage against him. However, they have no bargaining chips to use against him whatsoever, and have just murdered his wife. If I were them, I wouldn't even bother hiring him, let alone trust him as the lead architect of the Death Star. Tell me something, if you had just murdered a man's wife and kidnapped him to, say repair your broken down car, would you trust him to not booby trap it? Would you really? Actually, a better analogy would be if he were asked to install a bunch of weaponry like machine guns and rocket launchers on it, which is a heck of a lot more dangerous. Galen is in charge of building the most powerful superweapon in the galaxy, they're lucky he didn't rig it to self-destruct on its first test fire.
Cassian stupidly caused a scene which then lead to him killing his informant for no good reason other than him insisting they talk in that area instead of somewhere more private, which then lead to him and the informant arguing loudly, 2 Storm Troopers then show up, that's already bad, but don't worry, it gets worse. They ask for some identification, and he turns around and says: "Yeah, of course. It's just… my gloves…" while not wearing any gloves whatsoever. He then shoots the 2 Storm Troopers dead, which attracts other Storm Troopers to the area. He stupidly turned an everyday encounter of being asked for identification into a deadly conflict when there was no impending danger. You could see the informant in the background trying to grab his identification, so, he clearly knew what the imperials were looking for. In addition, neither of the Troopers knew who they were, it's not like they were caught in some illegal act, which is why it was completely unnecessary for Cassian to shoot them right then and there instead of handing them his documents and going his merry way. He, and he alone, is responsible for the dreadful and unnecessary situation/outcome. If he did not have the necessary documents, which he would, if not legit then forged ones at least, then Rogue One (the movie) should've communicated such information. Cassian not only created this troublesome situation himself, but he ended up murdering his informant due to his impulsive decision-making. Common sense dictates that shooting Storm Troopers in a public place should always be a last resort.
Jyn barely put up enough of a fight with Cassian and none with the Rebel leaders upon finding out they were responsible for her father's death, who was the very reason she was even motivated by the Rebel Alliance's cause to begin with.
Tarkin didn't want the Rebellion to be aware of the Death Star, which doesn't make sense when you consider the fact they could destroy the Rebellion in one shot, which was the tactic used in ROTJ and was even attempted BY TARKIN in ANH. Also, since the Empire was planning to test the weapon anyway, why is it a problem that the Rebels get together? Even if the weapons test was postponed, the outcome would still be the same. The Rebels would still make a fleet and try to fight them. What difference does it make when the Rebels discover the existence of the Death Star? The bigger problem would be that the Rebels already found the weakness of the Death Star, which he never mentions because he's not aware of it yet. Tarkin should know that a weapons test will convince and push the Rebels to assemble a fleet a lot quicker than the simple knowledge that the Death Star exists, which would help the Empire more than it would the Rebels as it helps load all the Rebels into one force that could be entirely annihilated all at once. The Empire consists of power-hungry tyrants, so why would they be afraid of the Rebels ganging up on them. Tarkin arbitrarily blew up Alderaan in ANH, he had no care at all for who or what was on it, he destroyed it for fun just to boast his power. If they were realistically portrayed, they'd tell the Rebels: "You either send us all of your fleets immediately or we'll blow up random planets. In fact, start rounding up each other's fleets and hand them over and if anyone opposes our orders , you fight them for us or we'll destroy your homeworlds". Why would they build it if they were worried about the Senate discovering the existence of the Death Star? Why do they even care what the Senate thinks when they can disband it at the drop of a hat? Which happens in ANH. Basically, Tarkin's portrayal in Rogue One contradicts his actions and portrayal in ANH.'
By the way, there are a LOT more than that. I highly recommend going to Ponstory Games' channel and go to the playlist tab, there you will find his unlisted breakdowns of TFA and Rogue One. I recommend saving the playlist and watching the videos for later, Rogue One being the first of course. His breakdown of Rogue One is the most refreshing take on the film I have ever seen. Most, if not all, of these criticisms originate from his most refreshing and enlightened take on this overrated sh*tstain of a movie, which has undoubtedly rippled into its equally overrated sh*tstain prequel of a show."
I remember how Sam Witwer (voiced Darth Marth in CW and Rebels) corrected Dave Filoni on Padme meeting Anakin's mother prior to her death, and Ashley Eckstein (Ahsoka's VA) backs this up.
He should have Dave’s job and be in charge of Disney Star Wars he has just as much passion about the franchise as the fans do and actually knows the lore
@@ncrrangerrolandtembo4615 Agreed. You just tell at a glance that Sam Witwer loves Star Wars (SW+SW lol)
I hate how little people talk about the 2003 clone wars show. And if they do they repeat the same internet brainrot of “the action scenes are too crazy”. I’d rather have creators take creative liberties with action scenes than with the lore, characterizations, and overall story but I guess that’s just me 🤷♂️
No they want the over choreographed prequel dance parties instead lol
The coreography of the prequels misses the point of why George went so dynamic on them: this was the height of the Jedi, so we'll see them fight with more gusto and skill than after 20 years of hiding from space fascists. Not to mention the Mustafar duel would always need to be very choreographed narratively: its a master vs his student in a fight to the death, of course they're basically even matched and dancing with eachother. Thats what you'd expect from two relative equals trying to kill each other but also not becuase brotherhood and emotional tension. Its all mind games
Plus you couldn't have big flashy duels for a while because of technical limitations with early Saber props.
@@JonCrs10Exactly. He indicated in a TPM behind the scenes segment that very sentiment. Luke was trained by old men past their prime over the course of a few years, while the PT Jedi had literal decades or centuries of training. Please note, this is Lucas' vision, not necessarily the EU.
There’s literally no creative liberties with the show anyways, so they have no idea what they’re talking about.
"All style no substance" they say, while blatantly ignoring all the substance that exists without spoken dialogue.
The corpse of Star Wars has been so vigorously defiled that Disney the defiler, still draping its flayed skin over itself like a hoodie, is beginning to see signs of necrotic infection. The best thing a Star Wars fan can do these days is disengage.
Worse than a corpse, it's a braindead husk. While still flayed, it's body still lives on life support, slowly rotting away from infection obviously gained from its lack of flesh. And Disney is happy to sodomize that rotting shell in front of us every time they release another shitty series or film. When George Lucas' time has come, they will do the same to him, and with gusto.
Real, stop clapping pans at it and let go
Filoni has the biggest "live long enough to see yourself become a villain" arc in Star Wars
That assumes he was a hero to begin with, which he never was.
I still say it's less that, and more that he is being overworked or overworking himself. Think about it, with Clone Wars, Rebels, and Mando seasons 1 and 2, that's all he had to focus on at the time. Now, he has BOBF, Mandalorian, Ahsoka, Tales of the Jedi and Empire, and had the Bad Batch. There's too much quantity for him to put the full quality in.
He was never good to begin with
@@whitevoid43 Thats a lie, Clone Wars was amazing
Certain EU fans & Prequel haters are nauseating. They’ll complain about Dave Filoni since the run of the clone wars for things the man isn’t even that responsible for while still going up and down about how they prefer George Lucas Star Wars:
You don’t like Ahsoka being alive post clone wars, blame George Lucas. (It was a Dave Filoni idea but George approved it.)
You don’t like Mandalore being pacifists blame George Lucas (A George Lucas idea)
You don’t like Anakin having a Padawan blame George Lucas
(A George Lucas Idea)
You don’t like Ahsoka blame George Lucas. (A George Lucas Character that Dave Filoni expanded on.)
You don’t like the inhibitor chips in the clones blame George & Katie Lucas (George & his daughter came up with this.)
You don’t like the show being more canon then your books, blame George Lucas. (George Lucas has been saying The EU is a parallel universe to his films for years, he’s also been saying The Clone Wars is in the same world as his films , telling the same story, and to him they’re one and the same, if certain Anti Clone Wars EU fans can’t accept George believes that, their idiots.)
He’s the reason all of these things happened. He’s Dave Filoni’s boss.
Dave Filoni was a second in command who did what George told him too. Ironically he was also an EU cheerleader always trying to put EU stuff in the show which George would only accept if he could alter it in some way.
You can be critical of what Filoni does pre or post Disney but to hold him solely responsible for things you don’t like pre/post Disney when it comes to The Clone Wars is where fact becomes fiction. Dave Filoni played important roles in the show’s development and had creative control but he didn’t have as much creative control as his boss George Lucas who was actually in charge for all of seasons 1-6 and told Filoni what to do when making the show the entire time. George was the main driving force behind the show’s stories and direction more then anyone else involved. The whole reason that Zillow Beast Episode exist for example is because George Lucas walked up in the production of Clone Wars staff and told them they’re doing a Godzilla Episode. He oversaw each and every episode from seasons 1-6 before they were released. Anything some EU fans or prequel haters don’t like about this show , George is a thousand times more responsible for then Dave Filoni. It’s just like with Disney Star Wars , George Lucas isn’t in charge anymore but Dave Filoni still has multiple bosses above him who he has to answer to when doing anything , mainly Kathleen Kennedy so what they want is what he will do. The proof is in the pudding, this the reason why George even liked Dave working for him, George To Dave:“Do you know why I enjoy working with you? Well, you listen to me.”
Does Dave Filoni have his own creative ideas and plans when it comes to Star Wars content, yes but Dave Filoni at the end of the day is a team player who does what he’s instructed by whoever’s in charge. Whatever he does or makes is by the influence , supervision and approval of people he works for. People blaming him solely for things they don’t like is just another scape goat for a much bigger problem.
A 3rd grader watching DBZ android arc cares more about continuity than Felphony
Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars is the only one I recognize.
All hail CW2003
@@thelambliesdownongenoa1831 absolute peak story telling
As one should. It actually fits between Ep2 and Ep3, instead of having straight up Infinities-esque stuff like Maul coming back or Anakin having a Padawan.
@LordVader1094 exactly!
It shows how anakin got his scar, why grevious has a cough, anakin starting down the path to darkness, and of course Mace being a bamf and demolishing droids with his bare hands
@@obi-juantacobi8552 I don't think 03 clone wars and "storytelling" go together
It was a bunch of ads, pretty visuals without much substance just like TFA
I liked The Clone Wars when I saw it, but the more I think of it, after rewatching the 2003 micro series, I prefer that one. And it doesn't contradict the movies. Asajj Ventress was in it. Despite people thinking it was created by Filoni for the other show. And he gets a lot of credit for that show. The show was actually created by George. And from my understanding, Ahsoka was supposed to die but Filoni found a loophole and George said that it was ok. Not sure if by that time since George was selling to Disney, he didn't care anymore or whatever. Because seasons 7 and 8 were in production. Those were approved by George. Except Disney canceled it and when they brought it back, those weren't the ones George approved. He had nothing to do with those. Filoni got away with keeping Ahsoka alive and he used it on Rebels. He had a chance to kill her off there too, but he didn't. They did a time jump and we learned she was alive during the events or the original movies. Where exactly? I don't know. Why didn't she help the rebellion and Luke? I don't know. We found out Hera survived too. Where was she during those movies? I have no idea. Then he shoehorns Ahsoka in The Mandalorian too. And Bo Katan. By the way, shouldn't she either be really old or dead by that time?
She really should've died in the finale of the show during Order 66.
@@LordVader1094 She showed up in Rebels, so it wouldn't make any sense for her to have died in the finale of the show during Order 66.
What do you mean people thinking it was created by Filoni for the other show?
He gets a lot of credit for what show?
Dave did create TCW.
Analyzing Evil: Larry Fink (CEO of BlackRock)
Hes the Darth Sidius of the real world
Disney’s daddy
Ahsoka Tano used to be one of my favorite Star Wars characters as back when Clone Wars 3D was being made, I remember noticing a lot more girls getting into Star Wars and thinking that, as a young boy ever so slowly getting more and more into girls, I thought that was pretty awesome.
Nowadays though Filoni has overused Ahsoka so goddamn much to the point she isn't even cool to me anymore. She doesn't need to be in FUCKING EVERYTHING Filoni.
She's not in FUCKING EVERYTHING Filoni. She wasn't in The Bad Batch.
@@trevturp6891 Dude, you're taking this a little too literally. I know technically she isn't in everything by Filoni, but she's been in an overwhelming majority of Filoni made content because he can't seem to know when to let go of his characters, so he runs them into the ground to the point they aren't cool anymore. Go outside and get some air.
@@Helldragon64 Yeah his reply screams he has a monkey banging together two dustbins instead of a brain.
Agreed. I feel the "ashoka show" make me disliked the character a Lot. Ashoka should have bite the dust long ago. And some other characters to. But for some reason now no one can die in starwars. Specially when lightsabers are involved
Imagine if Dave Filoni Directed a show based on the Old Republic. He’ll find a way to insert Ahsoka there.
Still, Ahsoka went from an alright character that was introduced from The Clone Wars to a disgusting OC imo. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dave revealed that she was the REAL chosen one :P
Filoni's lore inconsistencies, retcons and canon breaking from TCW onwards made it hard to keep enjoying his garbage. As a fan of him years ago, Rebels was the start of my disillusion with Disney Star Wars because as a Clone Wars fan at the time that show was bland and boring.
It's funny because he can't even stay consistent with his own material, or other live-action shows.
@@LordVader1094 That frustrates me as someone who wants to make a story. Filoni is the poster boy of doing that. I mean look at the purrgil design differences between Rebels and Ahsoka.
@@LordVader1094 If anything this makes me believe that anything that worked on the 3D Clone Wars show was made by everyone else but Filoni himself.
His retcons are the worst. He keeps taking interesting bits of lore from the Star Wars universe and changing them so they're all the same. He took Anaxes, a military stronghold planet famous for its university that trained navy geniuses like Veers or Nadine, and changed it to be yet another sparsely populated backwater with nothing interesting on it. Like we didn't have enough of those planets already.
Step aside Homelander, we have a new villain of the century.
Homelander is evil incarnate. Nothing could top him.
Great video, one thing to mention is that author Karen Travis quit after having to retcon the lore she established in her novels
The problem with doing licensed work. None of it belongs to you and it can be washed away at anytime. People do it for the money.
@@scockery it’s true but the whole point is that it was chronological, the continuity was contributed to for over 30 years, Dave didn’t want to.
Karen Travis is just as bad as Dave Filoni, disregarded established lore, glorified her own mary sues at the expense of other characters, demonized jedi, they're the same.
@@russianoverkill3715
I was always under the impression that the almost comically obscene glorification of the Mandalorians and complete and utter demonisation of the Jedi in the Republic Commando series was because it was written from the in-universe perspective of Mandalorians like Kal Skirata and Walon Vau as well as the Null-class ARCs, all of whom had reasonable reasons to have a personal hatred of the Jedi (or who are at the very least taught to hate and/or distrust them in the case of the Nulls).
I do agree, however, that she made the Mandalorians overpowered Mary Sues; I don't remember which novel it was (I think it was part of Legacy of the Force) but she bizarrely made one of Boba Fett's supposedly "elite Mandalorian Supercommandos" who went on to fight the Yuuzhan Vong a literal fourteen year old girl. The Nulls were also extremely 'overpowered' to the point of almost being entirely boring; though they are admittedly quite cool.
I'm also fairly certain that it was Karen Traviss who decided to kill off Mara Jade for seemingly no other reason than shock factor, though I could be remembering that wrong.
Yeah but her lore was shit anyway, Traviss had a ridiculous hate boner for Jedi and was downright masturbatory towards Mandalorians. KotOR did Mandalorians far better than she ever did.
I never liked Filoni's writing. Way too much plot armour and favoritism (especially for his OCs). Childish and uninteresting while trying way too hard to be mature and philosophical with boring walking scenes (especially in his live action shows).
God, FINALLY someone sees it. I've been saying for years that he tries so hard to be mature and high minded but his content is usually very one dimensional and immature. And people looked at me like I was crazy and told me I must be a Sequel lover or something.
Please make Analyzing Evil videos on Bitch Iger, Kevin Feige, and Kathleen Kennedy.
More like Bob Igtard.
Boomers when they hear the name Kennedy: SQUEE!!
Fandom Menace when they hear the name Kennedy: REEE!!!
Here from the future, Kathleen Kennedy is up
If Filoni stopped at Clone Wars nobody would be saying he's evil.
Or if he quit from a corrupted Disney like what Henry Calvin has done with Femtodia scandals in Warhammer 40K, fans will treat him as god.
2008 clone wars is trash so yes he would still be evil. I've been saying this since the movie came out
@@SoulbentAnime incredibly incorrect
@@mr.s845 objectively correct* fixed it for you
@@SoulbentAnime your opinion man
Took me a long time to get how insane the writing has gotten, but even during the 2010s' Clone Wars' original run, I had a bit of a problem: everyone is underpowered compared to their 2000s selves. Grievous went from a horror movie monster to a cartoon villain, the jedi (with the exception being Yoda in the first episode) went from being able to take on whole armies of droids to being way more reliant on the clones and going from practical demigods to "Oh look! I can make things float."
Now some might argue whether this is Filoni, George, or someone else.
I don't care. I hate how lame they've made the Jedi and Sith over the past two decades. Sith were supposed to be sorcerers who could ruin planets just by using the environment and their ability to use the force in order to twist it, causing extinction level events or else destroy their opponents' sanity by dredging up their most primal fears. The Jedi in turn are supposed to be the knights who stand as the only means to stop these monsters, literally using the light of the Force to beat back the darkness, instill peace to the fearful, quieting hatred and establishing understanding between enemies. Instead, we have...well, we have over a decade of downgrades from even before the Mouse annexed Lucas' kingdom, so I need not get bogged down in details.
At this point, Han is right: all you need is a good blaster at your side. What's the point of spending decades learning the secrets of the force if the payoff is being on the same level as a trooper with basic training?
Best example is The Acolyte. As insiders said, Feloni got all scripts for review. He may even have rewritten things that made problems.
What we got as a result: A complete insult to the Star Wars spirtit and a destruction of the Jedi and Good vs. Evil. The Acolyte just completely disregards previous lore and even gets rid of the thee whole premisse: The fight of Good vs Evil. As it is it is said in Episode 6: "Good and evil are just a matter of perspective." DISGUSTING
Filoni didn't do The Acolyte. Leslye Headland, Harvey Weinstein's secretary is responsible.
@@robertmclease Of course Headland is responsible, because she has no talents and she was the director, but that is not all!
Feloni did get all the scripts before they where implemented for lore-checking and also Headland says, that Feloni hat a lot of impact on the show. There are also rumors, that Feloni took over when things were going south and did script changes and re-shots.
I would not trust Headland on the matter, but there are also third party sources that confirmed his influence on the show, because he sells himself as George Lucas' acolyte (which he was not).
@What_do_I_Think If he's Lucas's Acolyte, that means Lucas himself has fallen to the Dark Side...which I'm pretty sure is common knowledge at this point.
@@autobotstarscream765 It is NOT common knowledge and I totally disagree!
Maybe you should watch this video again (or a first time) and others about Feloni. He claims that he was specially selected by Lucas, but other than his boasting, there is not so much evidence. He was hired .... wow, but Lucasfilm has so many hires. He claims to talk to Lucas all the time --- do we have evidence and confirmation from Lucas? I doubt it.
But we have evidence that he does not care about the lore and the world that Lucas created -- and that is fact enough for me.
Filoni is a classic sycophant, which is another form of liar / deceiver / manipulator. And that one trait alone qualifies him as a metaphysically evil person. We refer to him as Edna Filoni in my household.
How about “Analyzing Evil: Bob Chapek”, “Analyzing Evil: Bob Iger”, “Analyzing Evil: PETA”, “Analyzing Evil: Josh Cooley”
Dave Filoni is bad for Star Wars. He approved of the sequels and the Disney Plus shows. He supports Kathleen Kennedy.
'Cause she brainwashed him. Eventually.
Exactly. Anyone thinking he's the savior of Star Wars is blinded by the work he did with Lucas a decade ago.
@@alexfischer7876he was always a feminist.
As someone that liked Clone Wars and even Rebels to an extent I agree with Filoni's critics. Dude has proven to be a total fraud without Lucas overseeing everything like the early years of the Clone Wars. The fact he undid Ahsoka's death in the cheapest way possible (time travel/dimensional travel) because he couldn't possibly face the fact that his waifu had to go for Luke's story to make sense really showed where his heart truly lied.
The only weird bit (I don't go behind the scenes much) came from sam witter. Filoni wanted to make a scene where Anakin revisits his mother's grave to "show/talk" about his wife. Wishing that shimi could've meet her
Then he goes on to say how flabbergasted the entire studio was because Sam corrected Dave on star wars lore.
Also the way the rule of two is portrayed towards the end of TWC it never sat right.
When was this?
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They made it all way to recording studio before someone spoke up for the scene
I’ve never been into Filoni’s stuff honestly and have always thought the 2008 Clone Wars was okay at best, but nothing phenomenal. The 2003 Clone Wars will always be the best Clone Wars as it fits between Episodes II and III way better than Filoni’s Clone Wars.
💯💯💯
Remember how AWESOME General Greivous was???
Exactly
Finally, someone who agrees with me.
One word: Fordo.
Filoni is one of the worst things to ever happen to Star Wars.
Yep, and maybe even worse, he's just another souless yes-man, simply workin' his way up the corporate Disney ladder.... aka, the "banality of evil" indeed!
Filoni is one of the worst things to ever happen -to Star Wars-
@@klowen7778 Agreed, but he was a nuisance long before disney bought Star Wars. The guy has no respect whatsoever regarding other Star Wars work, he will literally overwrite and retcon everything with his shitty ideas. He also seems to have a hard-on for killing other peoples characters with his own fanfic characters, like when zeb is responsible for Rukh’s demise in rebels, adi gallia being killed by savage opress when originally that kill belonged to Grievous, as well as two of those bad batch clones killing Scorch from Delta Squad. Its like he wants to take a dump on other creators characters by making his oc characters look superior. He is such an imbecile.
@@realistic_delinquent Absolutely, if only he would keep his grubby hands off Star Wars.
@@klowen7778 Agreed, but he was already a nuisance before disney bought Star Wars. He does not care whatsoever about other Star Wars works and will overwrite and retcon it with his bad ideas. He also seems to have a hard-on for killing other peoples characters with his own horrible fanfic oc’s. Like when Rukh got killed by zeb in rebels, when Adi Gallia got killed by savage opress when she was originally killed by Grievous, and when two of those bad batch clones killed Scorch. It is like he is making a statement that his bad fanfic characters are superior.
I was born in 1990. My best friends and me were star wars fans from being three years old. I remember that we were so excited to go to each and every movie showing. We gasped at Shadows of the Empire, the Dark Empire etc. We loved this stuff, even had our own debates. Now, in 2008 we all refused to go see the FIloni bantha podoo. We refused as we thought the premise made absolute no sense. While we remained fans for a while, that broke something in us. In reality, George was wanting to retire, and Filoni took over forcibly. I thought Filoni should have been fired in 2008. Time proved me right. However, sadly as you say, he should have been fired over a decade ago, and now it may be too late.
I feel like Assoka is the biggest retcon or just fan fiction. I despise that show.
@@etantifeit was Lucas who told Filoni and his team that Anakin has a Padawan, and they just blinked that what, and thats when Filoni created Ahsoka.
Wrong, clone wars series had some amazing episodes or arcs and Lucas also participated in creation of the show, he came up with the idea Anakin had a padawan not Filoni, but Filoni created Ahsoka herself.
2008 clone wars movie was bad, but also the prequel trilogy had many bad scenes and annoying characters. Jar Jar became even more annoying, as a kid was ok, but now as 30+ adult hes terrible and almost fully ruining ep1
They would be better off giving Tony Gilroy complete creative control over Star Wars at this point. At least we’d get a lot more decent Star Wars that way, I thought andor season 1 was some of the best television I’ve ever watched. Did I fall asleep like a lot of people did in the beginning episodes, yes, but when I went back and gave it another go I regretted falling asleep.
@@mogyir as a 29 year old adult that recently has watched episode 1, Jar Jar isn’t even that bad, not so bad that it ruins the experience of the movie. What annoys me more is shitty CW network esque acting and dialogue, which is what we’re getting in bulk with these new shows beside Andor and maybe Mando. Also if you research you will find that Filoni only fully wrote a couple/few episodes for TCW and those were forgettable. All of the great arcs in TCW weren’t written by him.
It took the Ahsoka show for a lot of people to start seeing him as a hack lol. The fact that people “consult” him as some type of a Star Wars lore expert knowing what he did to concepts he took from the EU makes me laugh.
What pisses me off is that George Lucas is still alive and a phone call away. Why the f%$# are they consulting with this hack of a loser? Feloni Balony!
Ashoka went from being a well-rounded character to her existence being a detriment to the universe in the same manner as Rey Palpatine, (who will NEVER be the heart of SW regardless of what KK thinks) she should have absolutely died by Vader’s hands in a final last stand but no that was just too much for Filoni the Hack.
What do I think about Filoni? He lived long enough to become the villain.
12:50 are we not gonna talk about him stealing the “tales of the empire” title now?
The 2003 Clone Wars series paired up with the Dark Horse Comics is my favorite version of the Clone Wars.
We lost so many cool stories like Quinlan Vos and Master Tholme because Lucas decided he wanted to a different version and erase all the cool EU stories. Its his right as the creator but im still bummed out about it
I know there's people that will call me crazy or even crucify me for saying this but i see parallels with Filoni and Ian Flynn...
In this version, Yuji Naka, Naoto Oshima, and Hirokazu Yasuhara are one person named George Lucas; and Lucas, Kathleen Kennedy Penders, and Ian Felony are all aligned in one united front against the fans.
Dave Faloni was given a shot at the helm of a show in writing and execution in Ahsoka 2023. A poorly written, poorly directed and acted show. It’s all him, Faloni accepted the acolytes decisions to mess with canon, as he to has disregarded it himself. The clone wars best arcs weren’t even written by him, and the bad batch being as good as it was was because it was written by better writers. Faloni has had good moments and is great for the clone wars show and what he did contribute it. But he’s not the next George Lucas he’s very flawed and people just tend to skip over critiquing him cause he was the apprentice of George Lucas so whatever he does is fine and can be forgiven. That’s not right, I don’t trust Faloni, to me the only good creative working Star Wars at the moment is Tony Gilroy from rogue one and Andor s1 and upcoming s2, he’s gave us arguably the best written Star Wars project since the original trilogy, yet people skip over it cause they thought Andor was boring
I also heard that the EU fans just dislike Andor for adding real life swears when Star Wars had their own in universe, but to be fair I feel like Tony Gilroy is way better than Filoni, I can only hope that Andor Season 2 will not be something overhyped that will fall quickly as another bad Star Wars project
My Wife went to College with Filoni and worked with him on 'King of the Hill'. As far as she could tell, at least at THAT point, he was a serious Star Wars fan.
Of course, we don't know how often during the years he would think, 'I could do this Better', or, 'I want This.' But his later actions and behaviors make it clear that this, 'I WANT' mindset was definitely there, under the surface.
I personally love both Clone Wars (2003) and The Clone Wars (2008) and Ahsoka as a character, but she should've died in rebels. She is way overused, and I don't like her anymore.
If there is one thing I’m happy about it’s that I’m glad I watched the clone wars tv show in my late teenage years. I saw the flaws of the show and more importantly Dave Filoni. I’m not a fan who was clouded by false hope from someone who didn’t even create the clone wars or nostalgia.
I knew Filoni was a problem no one believed me back then.
Agreed. I used to get blasted when I called him Dave "Fail"oni
@@obi-juantacobi8552 is crazy how people are realising it just now more than a decade later
@VolkovVelikan agreed. Too many people gave him passes because he would put Bane or someone in the clone wars like that forgave him for all the lore he absolutely crapped on
I bet they believe you now.
@@danielbeckman6742 depends on which one. Some are still stuck on that "save us Davey Wan Filoni, you're our only hope" bs
Finally people starts to realize that, whatever good things The Clone Wars had, was THANKS and not DESPITE George Lucas.
Filoni is a fanboy who had the luck of working with people more talented than him.
Idk about that, episodes George Lucas directed himself are forgetable.
@@russianoverkill3715 It's not about directing, it's about his creative vision.
@@russianoverkill3715 Lucas is not perfect. I think everyone agrees with that. But he can make a story feel like Star Wars. Because it's his property, the one he created.
dude ive NEVER liked dave filloni, i am so glad people are starting to notice that
This makes me feel bad for liking TCW, it’s sad seeing something you liked turn out to actually be awful. How did George let some storyboarder get full control over his franchise?
Naah there is no reason to feel bad about liking a show. He fails to mention that the Eu retconned itself multiple times. The Eu is interesting and has awesome books but most is just decent
No, its not a pleasant feeling realizing a product you consumed or an idea you believed in wasn't that good, or even any good at all, but being able to realize that and admit it is a positive thing and part of personal growth. So don't be too upset about it.
As for George, the simple truth is he never really cared about Star Wars. It was always about the money for him. Other people made Star Wars good. And usually by finding ways around his nonsense.
@@davidfrederiksen3185 Yeah but that's ignoring that the Clone Wars Multi-Media Project, which included 2003 CW, had been THE most consistent material in all of the EU, fitting between Episode 2 and 3. It wasn't like the earlier EU that had to work a ton to fit in with the evolving prequels or needed to retcon over itself repeatedly, it worked WITH the prequels. 2008 had no reason to throw all of it away like it did. The CWMMP is legitimately more consistent with the films than 2008 TCW is.
@@LordVader1094 the only retcon is the power of the Jedi in the 2003 show, they where one of the most op versions seen
@@davidfrederiksen3185The Jedi weren't even that OP in the 2003 series. Also Quinlan Vos, Eith Koth and many othe Jedi had their stories rewritten by TCW. Hell they completely swapped Ventress's species and rewrote the entire planet of Dathomir arguably for the worse
Filoni's problems are twofold. 1) He treats live action stories like cartoons where he introduces lore-breaking concepts for fun and doesn't get his actors to emote, as if they were voice actors. 2) He's a bootlicker who bows to whoever is in charge, in this case KK and happily allows modern feminism to ooze out of his stories.
my take he's fine directing actors however, he NEEDS to have a spine when it comes to KK....
Filoni is married to a typical angry twitter feminist, so of course he's the type of man who would be fine with "modern feminism" in his stories. He's a simp/yes man who would do anything to maintain his childish fantasy of pretending he's the boss of Star Wars. I don't know why anyone even bothers with him or his company at this point. Move on.
I used to love watching TCW and I used to think Filoni was cool but both he and the show have soured in my eyes over the recent years.
I don’t think people understand or have overestimated DAVE FELONI as a creative is may seem to look like SAVIOR OF STAR WARS, he’s more of a repairman. he’s meant to make the movies make sense
You'd think movies would make sense on their own. Maybe Filoni ruined them on purpose so he would have a job 😂
What even is a Star Wars fan anymore? Just someone who likes the first two trilogies and the books?
Anything pre Disney.
A lot of it is a problem created by Disney that said everything they do (books, movies, tv, video games, comics) is canon.
Where in the Lucas era only the movies were considered canon, and all the expanded universe was just side content.
He's overated af
I tried several times to watch and get into the clone wars. I couldn't, I didn't like it at all. Maybe if I was 10 but not as an adult. It's too "kiddy" for my liking.
Yeah, the Revenge of the Sith novel establishes that Grievous is the ruthless right hand of an equally dangerous organization, whereas the Clone Wars treats them like they're jokes because the writers are absolutely petrified of having the villains actually be competent antagonists
@@jeremyallen5974we’re not talking about the ORIGINAL gendy tartakovsky cw right. That is an excellent show filled with gravitas, which is imo infinitely rewatchable
@elmatasesues3630 "gravitas"
Someone found the thesaurus without knowing what those words mean huh?
Great video on Darth Filoni! Casual fans apparently see the guy as the Messiah of Star Wars, when in actuality, he's been doing more damage than they thought. He has been a sellout since the Disney buyout.
He completely ruined Grievous, who was not only perfect pre 2008 clone wars, but also amazing in legends books and comics.
@@LastKingLKArthur He ruined a bunch of other characters as well, like turning Quinlan Vos from basically the Wolverine of Jedi into a wannabe Big Lebowski and Barriss Offee from a healer into a terrorist. And don't get me started on Thrawn.
hes been a sellout since 2008
TCW, written by him alongside George and many others, is one of the best official expansions to SW canon to date that is not limited to books or old comics. I agree that the stuff under him released by Disney has been pretty much at its peak mediocre.
Filoni was seen at Skywalker Ranch during the creation of The Phantom Menace. This contradicts the claim he came in later. I think we are dealing is a British Version of Plinkett doing satire.
Are you joking, he was hired in 2005
@@Hello-bi1pm not a joke. Check out the making of Phantom Menace, he might have been an intern or something or part of ILM or something. But he was there.
I'm very much of the belief Disney simply followed Filoni's playbook when they acquired the franchise. The dude's a fraud yet folks still cling to him as its only hope.
For me, Star Wars ended August 2008. Anything after that is pure fanfiction, no matter the source.
I am a Sonic fan, and it shocks me how similar is the situation with Ian Flynn and our franchise. Literally every beat is the same: a franchise in a rough state, the guy comes as a 'saviour' and a genius of writing and lore despite being both a bad writer and disrespectful to the contributions of other people. They both have this narcissist tendency where they try to control the franchise to their vision and step on everything else.
Even worse, and i don't know if this is the case with Filoni, Flynn fostered a toxic and cult like fanbase centered around his figure that polices and attacks everyone who dares to criticize. These are truly the worst people, false heroes that will leave the franchises in worse states than when they arrive
YES! Agree with you 100% I remember when he was all like, "Sonic thinks Eggman can change and be good," even putting that in the IDW comics, then Sega of Japan (the real owners of the franchise) contradicted that by having Sonic say he doesn't think Eggman can ever change and even makes a joke about the possibility in a video on SoJ's YT, and Flynn got all pissy about it saying he doesn't even want to "dignify that with a response." The way he writes Amy is also really bad. She's nothing like she used to be, and she lost a lot of her spunk. Unfortunately, anyone who points out Flynn's flaws is called a troll. Whenever someone actually makes good arguments about him, the rest of the fan base refuses to listen and just ignores them.
@@megadrive1996 I remember him insisting omega, rogue and shadow weren't friends which was odd to me
@stevemclovin1566 Right? I remember that as well. Some were saying that was likely Sonic Team's BS, but I don't know. It very well could have been Flynn's BS.
They even look a lot alike when they wear the same hat!
I despised how he changed Proto Man's charatcter in the Archie comics. It was then I couldn't really stand his efforts.
I saw this comment in the video "cyber corruption of Sonic stories" I think it bears sharing. I disagree about the "doesn't have philosophy" part however:
"Following issue #50 of the IDW comics, people started getting more openly upset towards how its version of Sonic was portrayed. The short version is that the central theme of the comic (intentionally or no) is about Sonic's heroic philosophy of compassion and mercy coming into conflict with both villains who refuse to change and the impact they leave on Sonic's friends and other innocent people.
Fundamental misunderstanding of Sonic's core character aside (Sonic doesn't have a philosophy, he's a nice guy who just does what he wants for the sake of it), the comic never has Sonic outright confront his ideals, and instead has him go on wordy and pretentious platitudes about how he's a superhero and he wants everyone to be free and blah blah blah you suck for not agreeing with him.
The comic can't be totally in favor of Sonic's ideals because it indeed shows the negative consequences of them, it can't be totally against Sonic's ideals because it puts him on a pedestal both in-universe and from a storytelling perspective, and it can't be a case of "the true answer is somewhere in between" because it never reaches any sort of resolution or answer. Kids reading the book will likely either think Sonic's self-righteous attitude is something that should be emulated (a bad takeaway), or they'll hate Sonic for being a pushover and think the lesson is to always punish evil and never look for the good in people (also a bad takeaway).
Crap on the Sonic movies all you want, but at least they have narrative stakes and themes. Sonic learns he can't run from his problems, Tails learns to become more confident, Knuckles learns that heroism is about helping others rather than just the glory of handling yourself. Kids have something meaningful to take away when they leave the theater.
Now, after seeing all the discourse surrounding it, how did Mr. Ian Flynn, the so-called "best Sonic writer" who "understands the characters" and "is pretty much a god for Sonic", respond? Did Flynn acknowledge criticism from people (some of his own fans included), and vow to do better in the future? Nah, but Daniel Barnes did that for his own work, so good on that guy. Did Flynn try to explain why he chose to write Sonic a certain way, thus showing his mindset as a writer and allowing readers to judge it more fairly? Nah, that requires valuing personal introspection and personal responsibility, and nobody has time for that.
If neither of those were the case, then what did Mr. Flynn do? Well, after stating that issue #50 was about Sonic conveying the "SEGA standard" for his character to the audience, he followed up with this:
"[Sonic's] point of view is very simple and idealized, but it's also a children's fantasy. You know, we're not going to be able to answer these high-level moral questions that humanity has been grappling with since we had an understanding of morality to begin with in a Sonic book, this is introductory level. And if you're in your twenties or thirties or forties and you don't find this surface-level approach fully satisfying… go read adult material. Go read stuff that does delve into that, and does try to tackle it, and does something smarter. This- this is not something smarter."
Need I say more?"
@@reserven5795 lol. "The SEGA standard." Such BS. His ego is through the roof!
In the earlier 2008, when I started to watch Star Wars movies, and watched the microsseries, what made me like and get interested in beyond movies' stuff, even when I was interested on TCW and know about Ahsoka, I never felt that TCW fits on the movies properly. It's always artificial to me, like TCW always felt like a big fanfic, a secondary story, who was never supposed to be canon to begin with. And today, known what Felony did to George Lucas and to the Expanded Universe, simply made me sick... It would be better if they contracted another director, like Genndy Tatakovsky again why not, to direct TCW, or simply never made this show, or even made a Republic comics' animated adaptation instead, this would be perfect.
tcw felt like a propaganda reel to me.
@@9822703 Yeah, to me TCW feels like a US WW2 propaganda, and the CW microsseries feels like an actual warfield transmission, some kind of an intercepted radio frequency.
Ahsoka is basically a perfect snapshot of what Filoni has done for the worse for Star Wars. Ahsoka is a Mary Sue who somehow gets to hang with Anakin Skywalker and Obi-wan the Main characters of the Prequel Era, somehow is allowed to command fleets and entire military units, never gets punished when she cost the lives of many Clones on fruitless risky tactics.
There was no way Anakin would be given an Padawan to learn from him, Obi-Wan and Yoda would never go for it. Obi-Wan especially since he knows how Anakin is with attachments and how immature he is still.
Then in Rebels Ahsoka has time travel pulled out of Filoni's rear just to save her from Vader, from then she just basically takes over Star Wars like you said, she is now the Main Character of Star Wars not Luke or Anakin.
Oh he used The time travel not time travel asspull twice after Baylan beat her.
Now fans want her to be some force deity and it's clearly what Dave is going for with the rumors of the second season of Ahsoka involving abaloth.
@@baki484 This is just downright a coup attempt to try and make Ahsoka the most important and powerful in Star wars. I'm half waiting to hear or see Ashoka can beat Palpatine or fully realised Anakin.
Making her some light side god is just wrong and would ruin the whole Universe's foundations.
Who knows she might go back in time and fight Palpatine or even go back to the start and teach the first Jedi and create the order originally.
Timothy Zhann > Dave balogna
Somehow Disney made worse SW products than 2008 Clone Wars
Maybe you can keep crying pointlessly
Gendy’s series was short but superior, I still watch the hell out of it
@@bryanc7094Keep eating up the shit Disney keeps giving us
@@bryanc7094 Hello Mr. Pot!
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who despises that show. I've always felt like it was one giant fan fiction
Chief creative officer of Lucasfilm Dave filoni practiced it with a company they call Edinboro University of Pennsylvania
The only things you can really say against him is that he is really the only person who has overwritten some Star Wars canon, which is all supposed to be fully canon and not able to be changed or overwritten, it’s all supposed to be completely consistent. You can’t really be mad about him “overwriting” EU legends stuff because it always had tiers and could be overwritten by higher tiers. He needs to learn how canon works. He’s still in the legends mindset of ignoring “lesser” tiers as I’ve heard George encouraged him to do as George never really cared about the legends EU anyways.
You all remember when official Star Wars announcements were important and there was massive traffic on those sites? Remember when the toys and merch were important and chugged out tons of profits for decades? Remember when the whole IP was worth billions?! Anybody anywhere would have agreed it was worth billions. Remember that Disney?! Remember?!
Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars cartoons are far better that Filoni's Clone Wars series.
Really enjoyed this video, have shared it on my CZcams channel
Dave's disrespect for continuity has spread like and infection look no further than Ki Adi Mundi appearing in the Acolyte decades before he's born. Sh*t was changed in real time.
That was established in legends not canon. George Lucas also shit all over the Eu, do you know who also didn't follow the Eu, the Eu itself. It is only in never time people have started to see canon as something precious
Yoda in episode 1: There is always two a master and an apprentice.
Yoda was 984 years old when he died. They didn't saw a sith until episode 1 since a 1000 years. Yoda born after that the siths disapperad and somehow he know about the rule of two. How?? They literally said both things in the same movie. And the rule of two was created by after 99% of the siths was vanished. It's a big continuity error.
He also forgot that Shmi and Padme had a dinner in Episode 1, Which - not gonna lie is a thing possible to forget, but when you're making an episode of The Clone Wars and want to do certain ideas, you should get research and make sure your ideas make sense, like: Sam Witwer literally had to correct him.
@@willyzsafe-roomu9435 I like how he retconned the Ahsoka novel and Maul's capture to having ahsoka beat him combat (I'm being sarcastic) instead outsmarting him like in the novel to make her look better.
Messing up the events of the last padawan comics with the first episode of the Bad Batch or retconning ventress' death.
Ki-Adi-Mundi time traveled, for the same reason he does anything: to score more pussy and stuff it with the next generation of midichlorian-filled younglings to fuel the Jedi Order.
Daves ego is crazy what I hate about him the most is how he puts is terrible characters in everything they suck all of them
I hate his stupid hat.
I heard enough of "what".
Now this.. this is what I'm looking for," the why". great job.
I think Filoni's problem is he like many fans see him as the successor to Lucas so to them he can do no wrong. My take is more right now he has to do what the Rat wants if he wants to stay at Lucasfilm. What we need is to destroy Disney as a company and see what he does with Star Wars after he is no longer on the Rat's leash.
Honestly, my problems with Filoni first began when he did the CGI Clone Wars show. It contradicted what was already shown in the 2D Genndy Tartakovsky series but also the Clone Wars Multimedia project as a whole. I tried to reconcile it fitting into the canon but in order to do that it wound up changing stuff in the canon that made it feel more convoluted. Also, it didn't help that it was told out of order. I prefer back in the day when there were separate levels of canon and the CGI show had its own level and was treated as its own thing. But it eventually took over the rest of the canon. In fact, I have a theory that Dave Filoni's canon was a precursor to Disney changing the canon. I think when Disney took over it finally gave them an excuse to change the canon as that was happening anyway. Still sad tbh.
The old EU might not be perfect but it at least respected George Lucas canon continuity far more than anything filoni has done, also the EU writers care about continuity and consistency unlike dave filoni who doesn't care to retcon even George Lucas 1-6 filoni writing skills are kindergarten level his histories are childish with no depth stakes world building creativity inspiration he lacks of understanding of character development and progression he doesn't understand how the force works it's a plot device for him he disrespect the EU fans but love to cherry pick lore from it to destroy everything people love about the EU
Dave filoni is the voice of trapper wolf we need him
Very similar to Ian Flynn and the Sonic series...
They even wear the same hat at times.
Hey! Ian Flynn is way better than Dave Filoni.
@@nickytembo4112 Bout the same to me. To each their own.
@@nickytembo4112 maybe. But only so far as his plotting. Dave has that stupid notion that he can make mysteries only he knows the answer to.
Ian Flynn basically said that "it's for kids" when confronted about his Sonic characterization in issue 50 of IDW. And with the way he butchered Proto Man from Mega Man I have practically no respect for him.
@@reserven5795 What’s wrong with Ian Flynn’s portrayal of Proto Man from the Mega Man series?
Dad is trying to have party for Star Wars Brian’s dad you heard that George Lucas we love Jedi, but everybody said they don’t
i love you're take on vile eye XD
Ahsoka is a cartoon character NOT a real Star Wars character, she wasn't in nor would she fit in the prequels. Ahsoka only fits in a "what if" style setting e.g. "What if Star Wars was stupid and cartoony"
I hate him, not just him but his hats and personality too.
Crazy how the story of Dune(Which many people say star wars was inspired by) ultimately predicted the downfall of the franchise:
•Paul and Dave were both considered messiahs by many of the fremen/Star wars Casuals
•Both claimed to ‘Save’ Arrakis/Star wars from Baron Harkonnen/Kathleem Kennedy
•Both ultimately did the opposite and brought ruin and destruction
Ik many star wars fans don’t like Dune but I thought it was an interesting coincidence
“It’s just like poetry, it rhymes”
Filoni is - at best - a decent writer and producer. He’s good when working with others, but his flaws show when he’s given power over a project.
Filoni is vastly overrrated
Nice summary of who he really is and what he has really done. Certainly seems like a high grade problem narcissist. My biggest concern is how George Lucas didn't see it, even after working with him. The same can be said about why George could not see through Kathleen Kennedy. The fact that KK and Feloni worked in harmony together should forever dispel the myth that 2 problem narcissists can never work together to quadruple the damage that they can do alone. So long as they feed each other sufficient narcissistic supply, 2 problem narcissists can get along. Quite frankly, I find this realization terrifying.
I view Dave as a director that can make good content, as long as he also has competent oversight like George Lucas. Left to his own devices he's a disaster
Clone Wars had multiple writers, while Rebels had lesser, but Ahsoka was written entirely by Dave Filoni. It really proves that the more creative power Filoni had, the more it exposed him as an amateur who NEEDS a talented team of writers.
This is a really good summary of why Dave Faloni is a blight on Star Wars. I say this as someone who used to defend and enjoy The Clone Wars and, to a lesser extent, Rebels when I was younger. He's not quite on the level of talentless hackery as people like Rian Johnson or JJ Abrams, but he was never very good to begin with, and has done nothing but deteriorate in quality over the years. I'd say the main reason he's gotten away with his poor quality writing for so long, is that he at least has some level of awareness of what Star Wars fans like to see, even if it's only surface level stuff. He knows people like Thrawn, but doesn't have a clue how to actually write him properly, so he just hopes the name recognition will carry him. I lost what little faith I had left in him after the atrocious Ahsoka show, and I have no idea how anybody can still defend him after that.
Sheev Talks has 2 absolutely fantastic videos detailing how much of the writing of The Clone Wars is really bad, and massively damages Star Wars canon, even if you don't take into account what he did to the EU. If anything, I'd say his video is too kind to that show, and he still absolutely rips it apart. I think the worst crimes he committed were making General Grievous and Count Dooku into cartoonish morons, and the absolute world-breaking insanity of the Night Sisters magic powers.
yup
But that also served as an unfettered hate letter to the prequels
Apparently even though the fanbase is nostril deep in shit at this point they STILL won't grow up and accept that the PT isn't NEARLY as bad as the internet said they were in the late 2,000s
How is rian johnson a talentless hack compared to jj abrams?? His movie is the only disney project besides andor that isnt tied to blatant nostalgia and lightsaber porn.
It should be noted that Sheev Talks also has a 2 hour video the Phantom Menace and how parts of it contradict the OT as well. He and some others like him take writing incredibly seriously and analyze almost every shot and scene looking at how it fits into the whole. Some of his buds have done the same type of analysis on Spider-man and how it's badly written according to them (which might be fair depending on your standards).
@@Aistis1918 Well, it should also be noted how his love for andor, which was based on rogue one, and even has tony gilroy working on it, has way more duds than the [REDACTED]s realize.
For example:
"The fact that Saw Gerrera didn't even use his expertise to help make a more comprehensive backup plan in case the Empire found the Ersos is a huge flaw.
Leia was dumb enough to use the excuse of being on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan after her ship was at the scene of a space battle, the very battle in which the Rebels acquired the Death Star's plans, which were transmitted to the very ship she was on, the Tantive IV.
Vader said that multiple transmissions were beamed to the Tantive IV by Rebel spies, which didn't happen. Playing dress up hardly constitutes as being a spy, especially without any identification and cover alias. In addition, there was only one transmission.
The opening text crawl of ANH mentioned that the Rebels struck from a hidden base, which didn't happen.
Galen legit said: "I did the one thing nobody expected, I lied" If there's one thing anyone would expect you to do after everything that happened, it's lying. Heck, the first thing he did was lie to Krennic's face. That was before they murdered his wife, they ought to expect him to lie a lot more after that. There's also this little gem: "I played the part of a beaten man resigned to the sanctuary of his work.", which he was and as such, didn't need to pretend to be. The shocking part is that the Empire thought they could force him to do anything when he had nothing left to lose and that his daughter was safe with Saw Gerrera, whom, if found, would be used as leverage against him. However, they have no bargaining chips to use against him whatsoever, and have just murdered his wife. If I were them, I wouldn't even bother hiring him, let alone trust him as the lead architect of the Death Star. Tell me something, if you had just murdered a man's wife and kidnapped him to, say repair your broken down car, would you trust him to not booby trap it? Would you really? Actually, a better analogy would be if he were asked to install a bunch of weaponry like machine guns and rocket launchers on it, which is a heck of a lot more dangerous. Galen is in charge of building the most powerful superweapon in the galaxy, they're lucky he didn't rig it to self-destruct on its first test fire.
Cassian stupidly caused a scene which then lead to him killing his informant for no good reason other than him insisting they talk in that area instead of somewhere more private, which then lead to him and the informant arguing loudly, 2 Storm Troopers then show up, that's already bad, but don't worry, it gets worse. They ask for some identification, and he turns around and says: "Yeah, of course. It's just… my gloves…" while not wearing any gloves whatsoever. He then shoots the 2 Storm Troopers dead, which attracts other Storm Troopers to the area. He stupidly turned an everyday encounter of being asked for identification into a deadly conflict when there was no impending danger. You could see the informant in the background trying to grab his identification, so, he clearly knew what the imperials were looking for. In addition, neither of the Troopers knew who they were, it's not like they were caught in some illegal act, which is why it was completely unnecessary for Cassian to shoot them right then and there instead of handing them his documents and going his merry way. He, and he alone, is responsible for the dreadful and unnecessary situation/outcome. If he did not have the necessary documents, which he would, if not legit then forged ones at least, then Rogue One (the movie) should've communicated such information. Cassian not only created this troublesome situation himself, but he ended up murdering his informant due to his impulsive decision-making. Common sense dictates that shooting Storm Troopers in a public place should always be a last resort.
Jyn barely put up enough of a fight with Cassian and none with the Rebel leaders upon finding out they were responsible for her father's death, who was the very reason she was even motivated by the Rebel Alliance's cause to begin with.
Tarkin didn't want the Rebellion to be aware of the Death Star, which doesn't make sense when you consider the fact they could destroy the Rebellion in one shot, which was the tactic used in ROTJ and was even attempted BY TARKIN in ANH. Also, since the Empire was planning to test the weapon anyway, why is it a problem that the Rebels get together? Even if the weapons test was postponed, the outcome would still be the same. The Rebels would still make a fleet and try to fight them. What difference does it make when the Rebels discover the existence of the Death Star? The bigger problem would be that the Rebels already found the weakness of the Death Star, which he never mentions because he's not aware of it yet. Tarkin should know that a weapons test will convince and push the Rebels to assemble a fleet a lot quicker than the simple knowledge that the Death Star exists, which would help the Empire more than it would the Rebels as it helps load all the Rebels into one force that could be entirely annihilated all at once. The Empire consists of power-hungry tyrants, so why would they be afraid of the Rebels ganging up on them. Tarkin arbitrarily blew up Alderaan in ANH, he had no care at all for who or what was on it, he destroyed it for fun just to boast his power. If they were realistically portrayed, they'd tell the Rebels: "You either send us all of your fleets immediately or we'll blow up random planets. In fact, start rounding up each other's fleets and hand them over and if anyone opposes our orders , you fight them for us or we'll destroy your homeworlds". Why would they build it if they were worried about the Senate discovering the existence of the Death Star? Why do they even care what the Senate thinks when they can disband it at the drop of a hat? Which happens in ANH. Basically, Tarkin's portrayal in Rogue One contradicts his actions and portrayal in ANH."
By the way, there are a LOT more than that. I highly recommend going to Ponstory Games' channel and go to the playlist tab, there you will find his unlisted breakdowns of TFA and Rogue One. I recommend saving the playlist and watching the videos for later, Rogue One being the first of course. His breakdown of Rogue One is the most refreshing take on the film I have ever seen. Most, if not all, of these criticisms originate from his most refreshing and enlightened take on this overrated sh*tstain of a movie, which has undoubtedly rippled into its equally overrated sh*tstain prequel of a show.
Wow I never knew any of this, thank you for delivering a very knowledgeable analysis.
I could not watch any of Filoni's stuff. Never got into the cartoons, shows, and Disney+ content.
It's always a disappointment that he was so good with Clone Wars, but is now just a load of crap
I agree. a lot of people in the comments don’t even think the clone wars is good, but I think it’s the best Star Wars content we’ve gotten, even though his newer shows suck
TCW was all George’s idea or George just gave a few ideas and let Filoni do whatever the hell he wanted.
Whatever the case, George is partly to blame for turning his back on the franchise.
2008 was the beginning of the end for Star Wars, with 2012 being its death. And 2014 being when Disney unburied the corpse and started raping it
lol. Real fans know the franchise was dead back in 1978
@@chrisray250 you better be trolling
@@SolurVoludun Real fans know the franchise died in 1978 when the atrocious holiday special released. Star Wars has been dead from the beginning dude. Those who think Star Wars died in 1999, or 2008 or 2015, yadda yadda etc etc are just shortsighted and complain about something that has already been ruined. Saying this as a massive Star Wars fan
@@chrisray250 1978 and 1999 was just Star Wars stumbling.
In the first case it recovered two years later with Empire Strikes Back, and after 1999, Star Wars reached its peak in 2005 with Revenge of the Sith and the Expanded Universe being at its prime
@@SolurVoludun others would disagree. By this logic Star Wars can bounce back again. Andor season 2 is coming in the future after all
You're absolutely right at the start. Initially I preferred Filoni to the EU, but by the 2020s I joined the EU fans in my dislike.
Completely disregarded the Expanded Universe timeline and lore in favor of his own fanon. That isn't Star Wars.
Just discovered your channel. Love the choice of outro song.
Remember its korriban not morriban!
Dave’s main problem is his entire writing revolves around
It cool, it happen
So much stuff of his is purely done because it sounds cool on paper while completely forgoing any of the setting rules, episode’s plot, established characters and basic writing conventions.
Leading to things that at least look cool but completely collapse in on itself the moment you actually think about it.
It’s funny how much better much of the episodes that aren’t directly directed and written by him for his series.
Everything aside Filoni doesn't have the talent, skills or understanding to make Star Wars. He's not a filmmaker or storyteller.
This is absolutely hilarious, vile eye is one of my favorite channels and seeing it parodied on the people responsible for ruining my childhood is a treat!
He's the false prophet Frank Herbert warns us about
So much for being a Jedi Knight. He actually turned out to be a Sith Lord working for Kathleen Palpatine Kennedy. Such a disgrace.
Dave Filoni became Palpatine. He wore the mask of a fan until he didnt need to anymore.