'My son needs his mother'? His daugthers Mary and Elizabeth also needed their mothers, but henry did not allow Mary to see her mother and he let the mother of Elizabeth get beheaded.
This is fiction. Henry didn't really give a shit about Jane. If she had lived, he would have had her beheaded once he got bored of her, just like Anne Bolyne.
@@Elly3981 While I do think that Henry more than likely wouldâve gotten bored of her eventually, I do think the fact that she bore him a son wouldâve given her some security.
@@harryturner8701 When Jane was having childbirth complications, the doctors asked Henry if he wanted them to save her or their son. Know what he said? He told them to prioritize his son because wives can easily be replaced. Learn some history.
@@IceGirl2772 That's still a pretty big "if". Henry was mentally unstable and anything could have set him off. Asides from Anne Bolyne and Katherine Howard, Henry also had countless other people executed if he even suspected them of conspiring against him, including his long time friend and advisor. Jane was probably lucky she died before she did anything that offended Henry enough to kill her.
I find it ironic that Henry wanted a son so bad and both his legitimate and illegitimate sons both died in their teens while his daughters lived well into adulthood.
Henry's older brother died in his teens, too. I think there was something genetically wrong with Henry VII's and VIII's XY sperm. Most of the boys died in utero, shortly after birth, or croaked in their teens. (I think that some of the girl babies were likely killed by genetic problems, too, but to a lesser degree than the boys.)
@@sailorplanetos3075 most of his sons died of disease. Not uncommon at the time. He didnât really have many more miscarriages/baby deaths per woman than was usual back then, itâs just because he had so many partners that it looks more on average
@@Elly3981 40 was considered old age for a woman at that time. Most women wouldn't reach that age because of health issues and medical knowledge wasn't that good. Sepsis due to childbirth complications could kill easily because of poor hygiene. Many women who lived past 40 were nuns or childless women such as Elizabeth. Anne of Cleves also died at 42 and she was considered old for the time. Constance of Hauteville had her first and only child around 40 and many believed that to be the child of the devil because back then, it was unthinkable for a woman that age to conceive.
Mary maybe old but she was very frail from early on; sickly, to be exact. Her symptoms was all kinds of ache and pain from her childhood continued to her adulthood She was bedridden many times and each time longer than the last. Some suspected she died of cancer since the growth in her stomach was huge enough to mistaken for pregnancy. Perhaps inherited cancer gene from her mother, since Catherine of Aragon bedridden and died in similar manner. Her reign might be much longer if she wasn't so sick and luck was on her side. đą
âMy son needs his mother and I need my queenâ oh yeah itâs not like your daughters also needed their mothers, but yeah obviously you couldnât care less
@@pinkstrawberries1768 mhm she didnt live enough to see henrys bad side and if she did then she would die a more painful death so maybe she is the luckiest besides anne of cleves
The only reason she was named âthe only one he truly lovedâ is because she didnât live long enough to get bored of her. He got an heir. After a while, once he knew the son wouldnât die, then Henry would of gotten bored of her. He wanted a son. Thatâs what he got. He wouldnât of had a use for her unless she had another son. Then she would of been useless to him.
@Rhys Hoffman All children actually lived away from the castle, so he probably wouldnât have even seen his mother very much. And that does make a good point, she was very lucky to die at that time though. Even if she lived, Henry wasnât a good husband. I think we all can agree to that
Nah. She was clever and knew her place. She was able to endure his affairs and pretty sure she will continue doing so. What's important for her is to secure her position. The only time she will be unlucky is if their son died.
@Hel V Henry was mentally unstable, both from his accident and the fact that his genes were the result of generations of inbreeding among the royal families of Europe.
@@Elly3981 he wasnât actually that inbred? Elizabeth of York and Henry VII were not closely related at all. Henry wasnât that royal and Elizabeth of Yorkâs mother, jacquetta, came from the lower countries and her father, lord rivers, from the lower English nobility, not English royalty. He certainly wasnât more inbred that any random Richard or John at the time. Definetely nowhere near as inbred as the usual Habsburg. If Henry was unstable it was probably due to trauma and mental illness which doesnât require inbreeding.
I agree. Jane didn't deserve her painful labor and death, but Henry deserved losing her. He also deserved the pain and humiliation from catherine Howard's infidelity, but ofc, she didn't deserve to die either. He's such a fucker. "My son needs his mother" well, your daughters needed theirs too!!
Considering when Jane tried to speak to him about political matters, Henry essentially said "I beheaded my last wife for doing the same", I think even if she had pulled through there was a VERY good chance he would have turned on her. He had no sense of loyalty whatsoever.
I was just about to say this, Henry was a real psycho and I canât imagine how sad Jane may have been if she survived and had to put up with his abuse any longer. RIP Jane
Jane was a devout Catholic, but because she had "fulfilled her duty" by bearing Henry a son, my guess is that he would have kept her as Queen, but would have hooked up with a series of mistresses.
@@nassauguy48 - Of course, he would have. He didn't have mistresses to produce heirs. Illegitimate children couldn't inherit the throne (without a change to the law as he tried with Henry Fitzroy). He had mistresses because he wanted any woman he wanted. Though, Jane's duty wasn't completely fulfilled until there was a spare. As happened the first son died..
I donât even think it was a lack of loyalty. The problem was his paranoia drove him insane. He made up scenarios in his own head and listened to words of other people instead of using his brain and logic.
I mean, I know this isn't historically accurate but I CAN actually imagine him saying something like 'My son needs his mother.' It's documented that Henry was extremely close to his mother, Elizabeth of York, since he was her second son and allowed to stay at his mother's side unlike his older brother, Arthur, who was meant to inherit the throne. Losing his mother was a pivotal moment in Henry's life and it was said that he was absolutely grief stricken and angry at his father and closest advisors for perhaps pressuring his mother into trying to get pregnant again and have another 'spare' male heir just in case anything should happen to Henry, which is apt considering how much pressure he put on each of his wives to produce male heirs. I think thanks to medical research we have today that it's pretty much fact that major head traumas he received over the years thanks to jousting played a huge part in what he became BUT, I also think losing his mother played a part too. It's impossible to say that she would have been able to control him (certainly not) BUT I do believe she would have been a good influence on him and he may well have listened to her. Perhaps, in his last moments with Jane, he realised that his son would need his mother just like he had needed/wanted his.
His other children also needed their mothers ... but he took lady Mary away from Catherine of Aragon and the same happened with Elizabeth. Lady Symour RIP as well as your beloved son. I also hope Henry finally got PEACE on behalf of dearest GOD!
He got peace alright only he went in the other direction along with his ring tone while the wives made peace with each other and became a music group and his children free from his prison cell.
Henry: my son needs his mother and I need my queen Me: Bitch please, your daughters need their mothers and you took them away all for your selfish gain for a male heir
Iâm glad Iâm not the only one screaming at Henry for being a massive hypocrite, a cruel bastard and an all-around asshole. But yeah, poor Jane and Edward.
Edward needed Jane, of course he needed his mother. Just like Elizabeth needed Anne! Mary needed Catherine! But Henry took their mothers away from them because he grew tired of them. He divorced Catherine and forbade Mary from ever seeing her mother again. Henry grew tired of Anne and wanted her out of the way because she kept miscarrying which wasnât her fault!!! He had her beheaded and stripped Elizabeth of growing up with a mother. Henry was an awful and selfish man, each and every one of his wives deserved better than him. Anne gave Henry his most successful child and she grew up to become one of the most important English monarchs in history. I know that Anne would have been watching over her daughter and beaming with pride at how Elizabeth was able to be queen until her death. Henry would have been proud of her. I also have a good feeling that Henry would have regretted killing Anne, Elizabeth may not have been a son but she reigned over England and was a very loved queen. Rest in Peace Queen Anne, rest in peace Queen Elizabeth đđ
I feel as though the only reason Henry was so upset was for the simple reason that he wanted something to call his; to own and control. I don't believe it was ever about his son, only himself. Jane would of ended up beheaded if she hadn't passed. All it would of taken is for Jane to anger him just once, or even henry get tired of her and he would of had her killed. I feel terrible for every one of Henry's wives and kids. They deserved better.
"My son needs his mother?" Are you f*cking serious, Henry didn't even allow his daughters to see their mothers, Poor Mary couldn't see her mother because Henry didn't allow her too and didn't even let her go to her mother's funeral, and Poor Elizabeth was a toddler when she lost her mother due to Henry having Anne beheaded because she couldn't also give him a son which is total nonsense like when Henry used Catherine of Aragon for pregnancies (which lead to some being miscarried, stillborn, or alive for days), Henry was a total a**hole
Henry asked God to show mercy and he did. Mercy to Jane because we all know how things would have eventually ended. He would have cheated on her and cheated on her then the moment she stepped wrong... off with her head.
'My son needs his mother' then HOW COME YOU LITERALLY KILLED LIZZIE'S MOM AKA MY SITAH AND HOW COME YOU DIVORCED ALMOST ALL YOUR WIVES INCLUDING MARY'S MOMMY
The one Queen who would have been safe from his wrath and maybe actually appreciatedâŠthough for all the wrong reasons. Such an insane twist of fate she would die once she gave Henry the thing he killed so many others for.
Interestingly, most royal children in England hardly ever saw their parents, especially the male heirs to the throne. They were whisked away to be pretty much raised by a bevy of attendants and teachers, and only saw their parents on high holidays and very special ceremonial occasions. Catherine of Aragon, a Spaniard, broke with that tradition by keeping Mary close to her. Elizabeth was only two and a half when Anne Boleyn was executed, but it would have been likely that the two would rarely have seen each other had Anne lived longer.
@@sincerelyalexei no that song had existed long before Henry VIII came to the throne. It originated during the war of The Roses and became a popular favourite throughout Europe.
Henry didnât deserve any of his six wives. He is a manipulative psychopath. He view them as objects that he could use for his own pleasure, not as full human individuals worthy of respect and dignity. Wherever he is now, I know itâs not a happy place.
And he didn't deserve his children either. They were prisoners in his war against their mothers and stepmothers. Mary grew up damaged and died a broken woman. Edward died from pressure of his dad's expectations and he was only 15. Elizabeth would be the one to win the war by taking Henry's cursed bloodline to her grave, avenging her mom, her stepmothers, her sister and her mom, and her brother. RIP to the six wives and children
Donât kid yourself. He couldnât stand the thought of her dying on him because he wanted to be the one who decided whether his queens lived or died.
I think it's interesting that he held Jane on a pedestal because she gave birth to a son. She died essentially a hot-minute later, but he still viewed her as this superior woman who gave him a son. And yes, Edward *did* live longer than most of his previous sons from Catherine, but he wasn't to know that Edward would last that long (fifteen years isn't "long", though I think people would get my point) at the time he was born. He put her on this pedestal immediately after the birth, but *Catherine* gave him sons; it's just that they died as infants. Edward could have died as an infant, too. Henry wasn't to know.
What I read years ago was he didn't do this he took off with baby and she was left to die alone basically, not with him there. If I remember right she went to have him christened and fell ill . Henry was off celebrating , she suffered alone. I'm sure she had her maids.
Even the current Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip are related. They share great grandmother in Queen Victoria. Queen Elizabeth II is also a related to the Boleyn family.
Henry and all his wives were descended from King Edward I. Even Catherine of Aragon and Anne of Cleves were direct descendants of Edward. (Catherine actually had a better claim to the English throne than Henry VII.) So they were all cousins to each other and to Henry, some more closely related than others, but all cousins.
Anne?! Screw Anne she had it coming. Catherine was the true Queen who was treated appallingly by Henry because he wanted to bonk the Boleyn tramp. IF karma even existed it would be from Catherine and the only legitimate heir to the throne Mary.
@@coeursouffle Actually Henry had to get a dispensation from the church in order to marry Catherine. He wanted the match and only rescinded his intentions when he thought he couldn't have a male heir with her.
@@dialovesramen What does religion have to do with it? Henry was only concerned with producing a male heir and had no concern with how appallingly he treated his true wife (Catherine) and daughter to achieve it. The fact he later, hilariously, had Anne killed under false accusations because she too couldn't push out a boy just goes to show the measure of the man.
I'm saddened for Jane and Edward VI, but not for that evil, maniacal tyrant. He doesn't deserve anybody decent. The moment he loses favor with you, he takes off your head...
He only mourns his queen Jane because she was lucky enought to bore him a male son and because she dies to soon before he got tired her and find another one as replacement. His daughters also needed their mothers who were his queens too but he give zero shit about it because they' re girls. I don't have nothing personnal against queen Jane because I like her, but king Henry VIII was a awful husband and terrible father.
By the time Jane finally concieved, almost 7 months into the marriage, Henry was already starting to tire of her. He took a mistress within the first three months of marriage, so it was her saving grace that she managed to concieve Edward, when she did. Her dying in childbirth was probably for the best, because sooner rather than later Henry would have turned on her. Jane really was nothing more than a footnote in history đ€· Henry didn't love her, he didn't love anyone else than himself. If he ever had a heart, its rotten away. As for Edward, he loved what he represented, he didn't love the boy for himself.
There's no recorded mistress during Henry's marriage to Jane. He made a joke about wishing he met beautiful women before he married Jane but beyond that, there is no evidence of extramarital affairs. Henry even confided in Chapuys that he himself was unsure of his ability to sire more children. If Henry was tiring of Jane prior to her being pregnant, then he had a funny way of showing it. Jane announced her pregnancy in January 1537, and in December 1536, it was noticed by the court that Henry's personal life was happy and stable. The king enjoyed the company of both of his daughters at Christmas, and Jane promoted their reconciliation.
I feel terrible for Jane Seymour. She was one of the kindest, seemingly adoring of all of Henry's wives. She gave him a son and it cost her her very life. Like so many others here, I agree that Henry would've grown tired of her at some point. Onto my real point, though. Henry finally gained the son he always wanted. The irony? The only sons he ever had died young. But both of his daughters lived. Elizabeth became one of the best rulers in England's history. Talk about a kick in the teeth by karma.
No, she wasn't. All people who described her as kind, adoring wife, were those ones who hated Anne Boleyn. Jane was cruel. She abused Elizabeth economicly. She didn't provide money for her food and clothes.
This man was curse by God. He had no intention to do what was right. Henry was about Henry. He was a very wicked selfish fool. God gave him daughters. Beautiful daughters. But Henry cared nothing for them. Thank God his son did not grow up to be like him.
RIP Queen Jane Seymour. You adored Katherine & Mary and gave Anne Boleyn a taste of her own medicine. Elizabeth is just lucky that Jane did not give her that harsh treatment Mary was given, just did not embrace Elizabeth the way she did with Mary. You bore him a son and championed Mary's cause when she went through those years of hell due to Anne Boleyn's usurpation. Henry went through all that hassle with Anne Boleyn only to not get the one thing she truly needed to secure her and her family's position in court. Jane Seymour on the other hand achieved her and her family's goals. If only Jane didn't die during child birth. Yes, i'm not a fan of Anne Boleyn, in fact a hater, as she would have killed Mary once she bore him a son "Once I have a son, I know what would happen to her". To all the Anne kids, kindly do not get triggered as everyone has their own opinions.
A taste of her own medicine? Anne was horrible to Catherine and Mary, yes, but I think people forget she actually tried to avoid Henry by fleeing home numerous times. Additionally, when a king is proposing marriage, you saying no means your family can and likely will be punished. It's far too easy to blame Anne, but no one seems to blame Henry for setting up this entire horrific situation. Anne would have never had Mary killed; to do so would have caused the Catholics of England and the Spanish nation after England. Jane was no angel; she engaged in a deliberate campaign to have Anne removed from power, and paid the ultimate price, like Anne did, for Henry's lust falling upon her.
@@tracieivey2397 Anne would definitely have Mary killed. She did say "If I have a son, I know what would happen to her". I am glad Jane Seymour and her family gave Anne and her family a taste of their own medicines. Anne's family, especially her Uncle Howard are an extremely power greedy bunch and Katherine Howard paid the price as well due to it. Poor Katherine Howard, it was never her fault to begin with. Jane died of childbed fever so u can't say that she paid the price like Anne did. Jane and her family's position in court were fully secured after Jane gave birth to Henry's long-awaited son. Henry would definitely still have a bunch of mistresses, perhaps may eventually be tired of Jane, but Jane would have been his queen for life, he would never get rid of her the way he did with Anne. Moreover, of course I do not just blame the other woman, it takes two to tango.
Yah she maybe gave Anne the same medicine, but Jane was also cheated by her husband too. Just like Anne. Jane couldn't enjoy a long marriage and died soon. I would say it was the punishment for a "homewrecker", who was punished by a homewrecker too and both died. At least Jane died as a beloved queen and was buried like a queen
This is how i see it; King Henry could not have it both ways. Either you have a Son, but no Queen, or you have a Daughter with a Queen. Since he wanted Son so much, unfortunately he could not have a Sweet girl like Jane as his Queen.
This part made me cry when Jane died and seeing how sad Henry was about losing her But I must say it was super nasty and horrible with what he did to Catherine of Aragon,Anne especially with having Anne executed All he cared about was having a son
A rare thing indeed for the King to go to a funeral; as normally in Tudors Times The Monarch isn't allowed to go as no one else is allowed to imagine the death of the Monarch.
"My son needs his mother" damn right he did just like how your daughters needed their mothers and you took one away and beheaded one and now the other one and the third died of child birth, her death was Henry's fault too, lack of care and the pressure put on her to give birth to a son, look at the result of it, he locked Edward away and he died young, he never met his mother. God rest her soul.
Imagine if Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were never killed and instead they got a divorce and were both still alive during Maryâs reign what would have happened in your opinion thanks
God was merciful to all of the women Henry had wronged, he was there for the beheadings and the death and the ones that got away from Henry and the last one who survived him
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If she had delivered a boy, He wouldn't even touch her body. He thought that a woman cant rule, oh was he wrong, If only he knew that Elizabeth would the BEST monarch ever. She was the best heir he ever had.
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He thinks if he got the daughters, she cant rule, but godâs plan is the best ever. His son died đ€Ł his daughter became the best queen in England. Karma is real. Never doubt the godâs fate
if you look up who Henry loved more it would say Jane Seymour. I truly believe he didn't love any of his wives he only wanted a son. Jane was lucky enough she died before Henry beheaded her
" my son needs he's mother , and i needs my queen " when Anne boleyn died Elizabeth was only 2 years old and she grew UP withe no Mother Mary grew UP withe no mother becus if u u killd one and u divord one and they both truly loved u and u loved them so they Can give sons but faild but when JANE over hear gaive birth to a son u praisd him but Edward died but Ur daghter's ruld England so bebay
'My son needs his mother'? His daugthers Mary and Elizabeth also needed their mothers, but henry did not allow Mary to see her mother and he let the mother of Elizabeth get beheaded.
This is fiction. Henry didn't really give a shit about Jane. If she had lived, he would have had her beheaded once he got bored of her, just like Anne Bolyne.
@@Elly3981 bullshit
@@Elly3981 While I do think that Henry more than likely wouldâve gotten bored of her eventually, I do think the fact that she bore him a son wouldâve given her some security.
@@harryturner8701 When Jane was having childbirth complications, the doctors asked Henry if he wanted them to save her or their son. Know what he said? He told them to prioritize his son because wives can easily be replaced. Learn some history.
@@IceGirl2772 That's still a pretty big "if". Henry was mentally unstable and anything could have set him off. Asides from Anne Bolyne and Katherine Howard, Henry also had countless other people executed if he even suspected them of conspiring against him, including his long time friend and advisor. Jane was probably lucky she died before she did anything that offended Henry enough to kill her.
I find it ironic that Henry wanted a son so bad and both his legitimate and illegitimate sons both died in their teens while his daughters lived well into adulthood.
Henry's older brother died in his teens, too. I think there was something genetically wrong with Henry VII's and VIII's XY sperm. Most of the boys died in utero, shortly after birth, or croaked in their teens. (I think that some of the girl babies were likely killed by genetic problems, too, but to a lesser degree than the boys.)
@@sailorplanetos3075 most of his sons died of disease. Not uncommon at the time. He didnât really have many more miscarriages/baby deaths per woman than was usual back then, itâs just because he had so many partners that it looks more on average
All of King Henry's known children died young. Elizabeth was the only one to live to old age. Her sister, Mary, died at 40, I believe.
@@Elly3981 40 was considered old age for a woman at that time. Most women wouldn't reach that age because of health issues and medical knowledge wasn't that good. Sepsis due to childbirth complications could kill easily because of poor hygiene.
Many women who lived past 40 were nuns or childless women such as Elizabeth. Anne of Cleves also died at 42 and she was considered old for the time. Constance of Hauteville had her first and only child around 40 and many believed that to be the child of the devil because back then, it was unthinkable for a woman that age to conceive.
Mary maybe old but she was very frail from early on; sickly, to be exact.
Her symptoms was all kinds of ache and pain from her childhood continued to her adulthood
She was bedridden many times and each time longer than the last.
Some suspected she died of cancer since the growth in her stomach was huge enough to mistaken for pregnancy.
Perhaps inherited cancer gene from her mother, since Catherine of Aragon bedridden and died in similar manner.
Her reign might be much longer if she wasn't so sick and luck was on her side. đą
âMy son needs his mother and I need my queenâ oh yeah itâs not like your daughters also needed their mothers, but yeah obviously you couldnât care less
Ikr?
The poor girls really needed their mothers
I think if they were to be with them they would have had a better life
Well, that's kind of the point with Henry, wasn't it? It was all about him and the extension of himself he saw in his son.
He said âto hell with them daughtersâ đđđ.
@@C-eo1rt guess you mean Mary the Scots
She didnt live long enough for him to get bored of her..
Lucky her...
She was maybe the luckiest out of all of them
Yup u right
@@pinkstrawberries1768 mhm she didnt live enough to see henrys bad side and if she did then she would die a more painful death so maybe she is the luckiest besides anne of cleves
@@pinkstrawberries1768 Anne of cleves was lucky tho she lived a great life in the palace of Richmond.
The only reason she was named âthe only one he truly lovedâ is because she didnât live long enough to get bored of her. He got an heir. After a while, once he knew the son wouldnât die, then Henry would of gotten bored of her. He wanted a son. Thatâs what he got. He wouldnât of had a use for her unless she had another son. Then she would of been useless to him.
Agreed
@Rhys Hoffman All children actually lived away from the castle, so he probably wouldnât have even seen his mother very much. And that does make a good point, she was very lucky to die at that time though. Even if she lived, Henry wasnât a good husband. I think we all can agree to that
Nah. She was clever and knew her place. She was able to endure his affairs and pretty sure she will continue doing so. What's important for her is to secure her position.
The only time she will be unlucky is if their son died.
@@wakh9647 I agree. The fact that she gave him a son would have counted for everything with him.
That's men for you even today, they want it, they get it
My son needs his mother, but my daughters nah they good.
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I feel bad for Jane, but I do not feel bad for Henry. That was his ultimate karma
@Hel V Henry was mentally unstable, both from his accident and the fact that his genes were the result of generations of inbreeding among the royal families of Europe.
@@Elly3981 he wasnât actually that inbred? Elizabeth of York and Henry VII were not closely related at all. Henry wasnât that royal and Elizabeth of Yorkâs mother, jacquetta, came from the lower countries and her father, lord rivers, from the lower English nobility, not English royalty. He certainly wasnât more inbred that any random Richard or John at the time. Definetely nowhere near as inbred as the usual Habsburg. If Henry was unstable it was probably due to trauma and mental illness which doesnât require inbreeding.
@@b.3049 elizabeth of york's mother is elizabeth woodwille and father is king edward IV, jaquetta and lord rivers are her grandparents
I agree. Jane didn't deserve her painful labor and death, but Henry deserved losing her. He also deserved the pain and humiliation from catherine Howard's infidelity, but ofc, she didn't deserve to die either. He's such a fucker. "My son needs his mother" well, your daughters needed theirs too!!
@@katestevens4606 The real King Henry didn't love Jane either. He couldn't love anyone but himself.
Considering when Jane tried to speak to him about political matters, Henry essentially said "I beheaded my last wife for doing the same", I think even if she had pulled through there was a VERY good chance he would have turned on her. He had no sense of loyalty whatsoever.
I was just about to say this, Henry was a real psycho and I canât imagine how sad Jane may have been if she survived and had to put up with his abuse any longer. RIP Jane
Jane was a devout Catholic, but because she had "fulfilled her duty" by bearing Henry a son, my guess is that he would have kept her as Queen, but would have hooked up with a series of mistresses.
@@nassauguy48 - Of course, he would have. He didn't have mistresses to produce heirs. Illegitimate children couldn't inherit the throne (without a change to the law as he tried with Henry Fitzroy). He had mistresses because he wanted any woman he wanted. Though, Jane's duty wasn't completely fulfilled until there was a spare. As happened the first son died..
this is a dramatisation, by the way.
I donât even think it was a lack of loyalty. The problem was his paranoia drove him insane. He made up scenarios in his own head and listened to words of other people instead of using his brain and logic.
Henry: My son needs his mother...
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"The milk of human kindness" Kudos to the writers for the Macbeth reference made decades before Macbeth was even a thing.
My friends and I liked to watch The Tudors while playing a drinking game called spot the anachronism.
@@Vesnicie And pass out from alcohol poisoning 10 minutes into the first episode.... That show was such trash with what it did to history
@@MiscreantRose yeah, I liked it as a soap opera with fanciful frocks and pretty sets. Nothing more.
Henry was a terrible narcissistic person who destroyed many lives
Era un sovrano assoluto, sopra di lui solo Dio!
Elizabeth becoming queen was the biggest revenge for Anne. And Jane dying was the price he payed for doing anything and everything for a son
He only felt sad to let go of a woman who gave him his son...but he didn't love her. He said it himself..."just because you kept your promise"
She's the only wife he truly loved. Her kindness brought light and calmness to him that is why he needs her. But anyways, he dont deserve her.
â@@adawiyaundamagandia3722 e had a friendship with Anne if cleves but maybe jane and him would have worked had she not died
â@@adawiyaundamagandia3722 but compared to other kings Henry wasnt the best husband
Beheading People was brutal aswell
I guess we'll never know.
I mean, I know this isn't historically accurate but I CAN actually imagine him saying something like 'My son needs his mother.' It's documented that Henry was extremely close to his mother, Elizabeth of York, since he was her second son and allowed to stay at his mother's side unlike his older brother, Arthur, who was meant to inherit the throne. Losing his mother was a pivotal moment in Henry's life and it was said that he was absolutely grief stricken and angry at his father and closest advisors for perhaps pressuring his mother into trying to get pregnant again and have another 'spare' male heir just in case anything should happen to Henry, which is apt considering how much pressure he put on each of his wives to produce male heirs.
I think thanks to medical research we have today that it's pretty much fact that major head traumas he received over the years thanks to jousting played a huge part in what he became BUT, I also think losing his mother played a part too. It's impossible to say that she would have been able to control him (certainly not) BUT I do believe she would have been a good influence on him and he may well have listened to her. Perhaps, in his last moments with Jane, he realised that his son would need his mother just like he had needed/wanted his.
It was Elizabeth of York who said to her husband after Arthur's death :We are both young enough to try have another son.
Bravissimo
His other children also needed their mothers ... but he took lady Mary away from Catherine of Aragon and the same happened with Elizabeth. Lady Symour RIP as well as your beloved son. I also hope Henry finally got PEACE on behalf of dearest GOD!
He got peace alright only he went in the other direction along with his ring tone while the wives made peace with each other and became a music group and his children free from his prison cell.
Henry: please god, my son needs his mother.
God: and your daughters didnât?
Henry: whatâs your point?
God: đ...
Henry:They have me
God:đđđ
@@marielouis7686 god: did they? ...Did they really?
Henry:Yes they do... Meanwhile Liz: and Mary:Why God.....
God:Poor children
Henry: my son needs his mother and I need my queen
Me: Bitch please, your daughters need their mothers and you took them away all for your selfish gain for a male heir
Henry never realized that he was cursed , his cruelty caused this to happen to him , and Anne got the last laugh through her daughter Elizabeth lol
I donât feel pity for Henry. He was brutal and wanted things his way over God and all human decency.
Iâm glad Iâm not the only one screaming at Henry for being a massive hypocrite, a cruel bastard and an all-around asshole.
But yeah, poor Jane and Edward.
Hello Dani
Him: please god i need my queen
God: ohh for the sake of myself i know you very well, if i dont finish this now, you're going to do it anyway.
Henry: but that's why I am called the devil and you are god.
God:True...
Edward needed Jane, of course he needed his mother. Just like Elizabeth needed Anne! Mary needed Catherine! But Henry took their mothers away from them because he grew tired of them. He divorced Catherine and forbade Mary from ever seeing her mother again. Henry grew tired of Anne and wanted her out of the way because she kept miscarrying which wasnât her fault!!! He had her beheaded and stripped Elizabeth of growing up with a mother. Henry was an awful and selfish man, each and every one of his wives deserved better than him. Anne gave Henry his most successful child and she grew up to become one of the most important English monarchs in history. I know that Anne would have been watching over her daughter and beaming with pride at how Elizabeth was able to be queen until her death. Henry would have been proud of her. I also have a good feeling that Henry would have regretted killing Anne, Elizabeth may not have been a son but she reigned over England and was a very loved queen. Rest in Peace Queen Anne, rest in peace Queen Elizabeth đđ
No one:
Henry: My son needs his mother but my daughters... ugh, think they're good.
Smh...đ
I feel as though the only reason Henry was so upset was for the simple reason that he wanted something to call his; to own and control. I don't believe it was ever about his son, only himself. Jane would of ended up beheaded if she hadn't passed. All it would of taken is for Jane to anger him just once, or even henry get tired of her and he would of had her killed. I feel terrible for every one of Henry's wives and kids. They deserved better.
+Elaria's Sense If she had lived no he wouldn't have had her beheaded or divorced her as she gave him his only son. Her position was very secure.
"My son needs his mother?" Are you f*cking serious, Henry didn't even allow his daughters to see their mothers, Poor Mary couldn't see her mother because Henry didn't allow her too and didn't even let her go to her mother's funeral, and Poor Elizabeth was a toddler when she lost her mother due to Henry having Anne beheaded because she couldn't also give him a son which is total nonsense like when Henry used Catherine of Aragon for pregnancies (which lead to some being miscarried, stillborn, or alive for days), Henry was a total a**hole
110% agreed.
Henry asked God to show mercy and he did. Mercy to Jane because we all know how things would have eventually ended. He would have cheated on her and cheated on her then the moment she stepped wrong... off with her head.
+Great Red Spot Nah Jane's position was secure as he wouldn't have executed the mother of his son.
'My son needs his mother' then HOW COME YOU LITERALLY KILLED LIZZIE'S MOM AKA MY SITAH AND HOW COME YOU DIVORCED ALMOST ALL YOUR WIVES INCLUDING MARY'S MOMMY
The one Queen who would have been safe from his wrath and maybe actually appreciatedâŠthough for all the wrong reasons. Such an insane twist of fate she would die once she gave Henry the thing he killed so many others for.
Karma sad for Jane but be thankful you had Elizabeth who turned out to be one of the most top monarchs of all time
Henry was not in love with Jane. He was in love with Jane having a son.
Interestingly, most royal children in England hardly ever saw their parents, especially the male heirs to the throne. They were whisked away to be pretty much raised by a bevy of attendants and teachers, and only saw their parents on high holidays and very special ceremonial occasions. Catherine of Aragon, a Spaniard, broke with that tradition by keeping Mary close to her. Elizabeth was only two and a half when Anne Boleyn was executed, but it would have been likely that the two would rarely have seen each other had Anne lived longer.
Henry: my son needs his mother
Mary and Elizabeth: are we joke to u?đ
2:04 Choir singing in the background the 15th century hymn: "Karma is a bitch"
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@@sincerelyalexei no that song had existed long before Henry VIII came to the throne. It originated during the war of The Roses and became a popular favourite throughout Europe.
Henry didnât deserve any of his six wives. He is a manipulative psychopath. He view them as objects that he could use for his own pleasure, not as full human individuals worthy of respect and dignity. Wherever he is now, I know itâs not a happy place.
And he didn't deserve his children either. They were prisoners in his war against their mothers and stepmothers. Mary grew up damaged and died a broken woman. Edward died from pressure of his dad's expectations and he was only 15. Elizabeth would be the one to win the war by taking Henry's cursed bloodline to her grave, avenging her mom, her stepmothers, her sister and her mom, and her brother. RIP to the six wives and children
Donât kid yourself. He couldnât stand the thought of her dying on him because he wanted to be the one who decided whether his queens lived or died.
I think it's interesting that he held Jane on a pedestal because she gave birth to a son. She died essentially a hot-minute later, but he still viewed her as this superior woman who gave him a son. And yes, Edward *did* live longer than most of his previous sons from Catherine, but he wasn't to know that Edward would last that long (fifteen years isn't "long", though I think people would get my point) at the time he was born. He put her on this pedestal immediately after the birth, but *Catherine* gave him sons; it's just that they died as infants. Edward could have died as an infant, too. Henry wasn't to know.
My dear Great Aunt Jane, RIP SWEET LADY!
U mean you're related to jane seymour?đ
He was buried beside her.
What I read years ago was he didn't do this he took off with baby and she was left to die alone basically, not with him there. If I remember right she went to have him christened and fell ill . Henry was off celebrating , she suffered alone. I'm sure she had her maids.
Heâs pretty even when he cries.
Yes.
oh dear lord... :( jane was fifth cousins to henry viii
as well as sharing a great grandmom with anne boleyn &
catherine howard. đł
Yeah pretty much all nobility ans royalty throughout Europe were related. Gross, but true.
Even the current Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip are related. They share great grandmother in Queen Victoria. Queen Elizabeth II is also a related to the Boleyn family.
Well, that was how nobility and royalty worked, they married others that were relatives just to maintain the fortune in the family.
Henry and all his wives were descended from King Edward I. Even Catherine of Aragon and Anne of Cleves were direct descendants of Edward. (Catherine actually had a better claim to the English throne than Henry VII.) So they were all cousins to each other and to Henry, some more closely related than others, but all cousins.
Yikes
It's karma from Anne
Anne?! Screw Anne she had it coming. Catherine was the true Queen who was treated appallingly by Henry because he wanted to bonk the Boleyn tramp. IF karma even existed it would be from Catherine and the only legitimate heir to the throne Mary.
@@jowilltellthetruth5525 damn Catherine just Arthur's widow
@@jowilltellthetruth5525 oh a Catholic
@@coeursouffle Actually Henry had to get a dispensation from the church in order to marry Catherine. He wanted the match and only rescinded his intentions when he thought he couldn't have a male heir with her.
@@dialovesramen What does religion have to do with it? Henry was only concerned with producing a male heir and had no concern with how appallingly he treated his true wife (Catherine) and daughter to achieve it. The fact he later, hilariously, had Anne killed under false accusations because she too couldn't push out a boy just goes to show the measure of the man.
To bad he didnât feel that way about His daughters losing their mothers, Jane was special because she gave him the son he felt he had to have
Anne had a son but he was still born, when she was pregnant he was having an affair with Jane...Karma is something isn't it?đđđ¶đą
I'm saddened for Jane and Edward VI, but not for that evil, maniacal tyrant. He doesn't deserve anybody decent. The moment he loses favor with you, he takes off your head...
What gets me is how he asks God for mercy. Yet he never showed any.
Love the music paired with the death/funeral scenes, really adds to the emotion of it.
mY sOn NeEdS hIs MoThEr
Mate, if Edward needs Jane, then Elizabeth needs Anne and Mary needs Catherine, just sayinâ.
Henry VIII and Jane Seymour are buried side by side in St. George's chapel, Windsor.
Also with King Charles 1st ( a Protestant)
Love the music in this episode. It tells a story.
He only mourns his queen Jane because she was lucky enought to bore him a male son and because she dies to soon before he got tired her and find another one as replacement. His daughters also needed their mothers who were his queens too but he give zero shit about it because they' re girls. I don't have nothing personnal against queen Jane because I like her, but king Henry VIII was a awful husband and terrible father.
Where was YOUR mercy when you condemned Anne Boleyn to death? Mary and Elizabeth needed their mothers too!
Henry took away Elizabeth and Maryâs mothers from them so nature took Jane from Edward
By the time Jane finally concieved, almost 7 months into the marriage, Henry was already starting to tire of her. He took a mistress within the first three months of marriage, so it was her saving grace that she managed to concieve Edward, when she did. Her dying in childbirth was probably for the best, because sooner rather than later Henry would have turned on her. Jane really was nothing more than a footnote in history đ€· Henry didn't love her, he didn't love anyone else than himself. If he ever had a heart, its rotten away. As for Edward, he loved what he represented, he didn't love the boy for himself.
There's no recorded mistress during Henry's marriage to Jane. He made a joke about wishing he met beautiful women before he married Jane but beyond that, there is no evidence of extramarital affairs. Henry even confided in Chapuys that he himself was unsure of his ability to sire more children. If Henry was tiring of Jane prior to her being pregnant, then he had a funny way of showing it. Jane announced her pregnancy in January 1537, and in December 1536, it was noticed by the court that Henry's personal life was happy and stable. The king enjoyed the company of both of his daughters at Christmas, and Jane promoted their reconciliation.
I feel terrible for Jane Seymour. She was one of the kindest, seemingly adoring of all of Henry's wives. She gave him a son and it cost her her very life. Like so many others here, I agree that Henry would've grown tired of her at some point.
Onto my real point, though. Henry finally gained the son he always wanted. The irony? The only sons he ever had died young. But both of his daughters lived. Elizabeth became one of the best rulers in England's history.
Talk about a kick in the teeth by karma.
No, she wasn't. All people who described her as kind, adoring wife, were those ones who hated Anne Boleyn. Jane was cruel. She abused Elizabeth economicly. She didn't provide money for her food and clothes.
Ironically, Anne of Cleves outlived all the wives that followed her. She died a very wealthy woman, due to the settlement that Henry gave her.
I feel a little bad for him here...actually no, I donât. This is what he gets for leaving my mother and beheading Elizabethâs.
Exactly đ #KarmaServed
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Yeah đ The only one I feel bad here for is Jane đ„ș
@@tulip_rose765 me too and Bertie too
His other two children also needed their mothers and he destroyed them all for a male heir !
That's a really good speech, even i teared up a bit.
This man was curse by God. He had no intention to do what was right. Henry was about Henry. He was a very wicked selfish fool. God gave him daughters. Beautiful daughters. But Henry cared nothing for them. Thank God his son did not grow up to be like him.
+Jeffrey Smith From my research his son Edward VI was well on his way to being just like his father and would've been if he hadn't died at 15yrs old.
RIP Queen Jane Seymour. You adored Katherine & Mary and gave Anne Boleyn a taste of her own medicine. Elizabeth is just lucky that Jane did not give her that harsh treatment Mary was given, just did not embrace Elizabeth the way she did with Mary. You bore him a son and championed Mary's cause when she went through those years of hell due to Anne Boleyn's usurpation. Henry went through all that hassle with Anne Boleyn only to not get the one thing she truly needed to secure her and her family's position in court. Jane Seymour on the other hand achieved her and her family's goals. If only Jane didn't die during child birth. Yes, i'm not a fan of Anne Boleyn, in fact a hater, as she would have killed Mary once she bore him a son "Once I have a son, I know what would happen to her". To all the Anne kids, kindly do not get triggered as everyone has their own opinions.
A taste of her own medicine? Anne was horrible to Catherine and Mary, yes, but I think people forget she actually tried to avoid Henry by fleeing home numerous times. Additionally, when a king is proposing marriage, you saying no means your family can and likely will be punished. It's far too easy to blame Anne, but no one seems to blame Henry for setting up this entire horrific situation. Anne would have never had Mary killed; to do so would have caused the Catholics of England and the Spanish nation after England. Jane was no angel; she engaged in a deliberate campaign to have Anne removed from power, and paid the ultimate price, like Anne did, for Henry's lust falling upon her.
@@tracieivey2397 Anne would definitely have Mary killed. She did say "If I have a son, I know what would happen to her". I am glad Jane Seymour and her family gave Anne and her family a taste of their own medicines. Anne's family, especially her Uncle Howard are an extremely power greedy bunch and Katherine Howard paid the price as well due to it. Poor Katherine Howard, it was never her fault to begin with. Jane died of childbed fever so u can't say that she paid the price like Anne did. Jane and her family's position in court were fully secured after Jane gave birth to Henry's long-awaited son. Henry would definitely still have a bunch of mistresses, perhaps may eventually be tired of Jane, but Jane would have been his queen for life, he would never get rid of her the way he did with Anne. Moreover, of course I do not just blame the other woman, it takes two to tango.
Yah she maybe gave Anne the same medicine, but Jane was also cheated by her husband too. Just like Anne. Jane couldn't enjoy a long marriage and died soon. I would say it was the punishment for a "homewrecker", who was punished by a homewrecker too and both died. At least Jane died as a beloved queen and was buried like a queen
@@ebrusongultopkan3491 I agree accept that Jane is not a homewrecker, only Anne.
But ann had a last laugh after all
Henry the 8th was a cruel and beastly man, and he left the world in great peril of itself
I imagine that's what happens during 16th century labor. 20 different dudes 40 different hands reaching inside you during three days of Labor
0:15 *true love kiss shall save the day*
This is how i see it; King Henry could not have it both ways. Either you have a Son, but no Queen, or you have a Daughter with a Queen. Since he wanted Son so much, unfortunately he could not have a Sweet girl like Jane as his Queen.
This part made me cry when Jane died and seeing how sad Henry was about losing her
But I must say it was super nasty and horrible with what he did to Catherine of Aragon,Anne especially with having Anne executed
All he cared about was having a son
A rare thing indeed for the King to go to a funeral; as normally in Tudors Times The Monarch isn't allowed to go as no one else is allowed to imagine the death of the Monarch.
"My son needs his mother" damn right he did just like how your daughters needed their mothers and you took one away and beheaded one and now the other one and the third died of child birth, her death was Henry's fault too, lack of care and the pressure put on her to give birth to a son, look at the result of it, he locked Edward away and he died young, he never met his mother. God rest her soul.
Such a beautiful scene and musicâ€ïž
Hello there
Imagine if Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were never killed and instead they got a divorce and were both still alive during Maryâs reign what would have happened in your opinion thanks
God was merciful to all of the women Henry had wronged, he was there for the beheadings and the death and the ones that got away from Henry and the last one who survived him
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This series of movies WERE AWESOME!
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If she had delivered a boy, He wouldn't even touch her body. He thought that a woman cant rule, oh was he wrong, If only he knew that Elizabeth would the BEST monarch ever. She was the best heir he ever had.
Thanks for the heart
1:41 Henry: My son needs his mother
Me: And so did your daughters
King Henry: (mind:oh no my wife that gave me a son is dying what do I say)
King Henry: âyou are the milk of human kindnessâ
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He thinks if he got the daughters, she cant rule, but godâs plan is the best ever. His son died đ€Ł his daughter became the best queen in England. Karma is real. Never doubt the godâs fate
One of the greatest scenes....
Karma is a mean mistress. Well deserved.
No wonder why he is one of the most hated characters of all history, his behaviour is just despicable
Henry with his son :
my son needs his mother.
Also henry with his daughters:
nah y'all fine y'all can motherless for life idc.
It's a really good scene
Poor henry has lost his love đ„ș
**heart of stone intestifies*
if you look up who Henry loved more it would say Jane Seymour. I truly believe he didn't love any of his wives he only wanted a son. Jane was lucky enough she died before Henry beheaded her
Never heard him say "I love you"
Same
How different things would have been if the doctor would have cleaned his hands and instruments he used!
Henry: my son needs his mother
Elizabeth and Mary: we got breast feed by a cow ...
"a howling wilderness.."
Henry: My son needs his mother
Catherine and Anne: "Fuck my Drag, right?đ
Idk why people hate Jane, yeah she didnât really do much but she also did no harm. Just gave him the son and died
Crocodiles tears
One of the saddest scenes on TV
Whoever wrote these lines should be sent to the scaffold âŠ
If she had survived, Henry would have killed her. She is lucky, as far as possible
"And I need my queen" -Henry
"You've already had 2 bitch, try my patience again." -God
" my son needs he's mother , and i needs my queen " when Anne boleyn died Elizabeth was only 2 years old and she grew UP withe no Mother Mary grew UP withe no mother becus if u u killd one and u divord one and they both truly loved u and u loved them so they Can give sons but faild but when JANE over hear gaive birth to a son u praisd him but Edward died but Ur daghter's ruld England so bebay