Maximizing Muscle Gain and Fat Loss: Evidence-Based Strategies | Alan Aragon | The Proof EP

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  • Looking to lose weight and gain muscle with science-backed insights? Tune in to Episode #296 with nutrition researcher Alan Aragon to unpack the nuances of achieving optimal body composition. You'll gain a deeper understanding of how to effectively use nutrition - balancing calories, protein, fats, carbohydrates, and even alcohol - to enhance your physique.
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    Alan Aragon is a highly esteemed nutrition researcher and educator with over three decades in the field. As a trailblazer in evidence-based nutrition for the fitness industry, Alan's work has profoundly influenced nutrition and exercise practices. His extensive experience includes authoring the influential monthly research review (AARR) and co-authoring seminal works in sports nutrition. With his deep understanding of diets and body composition, Alan offers invaluable insights for anyone looking to optimize their fitness and health through scientifically grounded nutritional strategies.
    In this episode, discover the crucial role of resistance training, the importance of supplementation, and the myths around fasting and keto diets in muscle building and weight loss. Alan's expertise will empower you with practical, science-backed strategies for sustainable body composition changes, whether you're looking to lose weight, build muscle, or both.
    We discuss:
    0:00:00 - Introduction
    0:03:34 - How Alan Aragon's Passion for Fitness Shapes His Evidence-Based Approach
    0:07:32 - Debunking the Anabolic Window: Fact or Fiction?
    0:12:28 - Impact of Meal Timing on Body Composition: A Scientific Analysis
    0:22:51 - Comparing Fasted vs. Fed Resistance Training for Muscle Growth
    0:25:38 - Understanding Amino Acids in Muscle Protein Synthesis
    0:32:16 - Protein Needs Across Ages: A Comprehensive Guide
    0:39:16 - Evaluating Amino Acid Supplementation at Varied Protein Intakes
    0:41:53 - Calculating Optimal Protein for Different Age Groups and Body Weights
    0:47:33 - Linking Protein Intake with Body Recomposition: A Scientific Perspective
    0:59:32 - Methods to Determine Your Fat-Free Mass Accurately
    1:03:24 - Muscle Building: Ketogenic Diet vs. High Carbohydrate Diet
    1:09:23 - Energy Balance vs. Carbohydrate-Insulin: Diet Models Explored
    1:15:00 - Keto Adaptation and Insulin's Role in Weight Loss Explained
    1:24:53 - Investigating the Rise in Overweight and Obesity Since the 1960s
    1:32:20 - Optimal Fat Loss Strategies: A Science-Based Step-by-Step Guide
    1:40:50 - Does Starvation Affect Metabolic Rate? Scientific Insights
    1:48:58 - Integrating Fasting into Your Weight Loss Strategy
    1:54:40 - Personalising Diet Plans: The Flexibility of Dieting
    1:57:13 - Protein Intake and Longevity: Finding the Optimal Balance
    1:59:47 - Soy Protein: Health Benefits and Controversies
    2:09:42 - Protein Sources and Their Impact on Cardiometabolic Health
    2:17:04 - Tailoring Weight Loss Programs for Maximum Satiety and Effectiveness
    2:24:40 - Examining the Safety of Intermittent Fasting for Women's Hormonal Health
    2:32:31 - Effective Supplements for Enhancing Body Composition
    2:38:14 - Alcohol's Impact on Body Composition: Key Facts You Should Know
    2:46:08 - Conclusion and Key Takeaways from Our Fitness Science Discussion
    Connect with Alan Aragon:
    - Instagram: / thealanaragon
    - Twitter: / thealanaragon
    - Website: alanaragon.com/
    If you have any additional questions you would like answered in the future, let me know in the comments.
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Komentáře • 203

  • @TheAlanAragon
    @TheAlanAragon Před 5 měsíci +143

    Big thanks to Simon for having me on the podcast & doing such a stellar job of hosting the interview - and thanks to all of you here for tuning in.👍🏼

    • @blackmarketarmy
      @blackmarketarmy Před 5 měsíci +5

      Great info, much appreciated!

    • @TheProofWithSimonHill
      @TheProofWithSimonHill  Před 5 měsíci +4

      Any time!

    • @tsebosei1285
      @tsebosei1285 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Respect ❤

    • @rivasoucie
      @rivasoucie Před 5 měsíci +1

      I loved this interview! I am a 43 yo mother of three kids, two with disabilities, very low body fat but also low muscle. Extremely fast metabolism. I am trying to eat more protein and wear weighted vest even if I can’t find time to do weight bearing activity. Will these actually help?

    • @TheAlanAragon
      @TheAlanAragon Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@rivasoucie It's better than nothing, but simply wearing a weighted vest during activities of daily living it will not sufficiently challenge the upper body. At minimum, you'd need to engage the muscles involved in pushing and pulling movements.

  • @WhiteNorthStar1
    @WhiteNorthStar1 Před 4 měsíci +14

    This video is THE most useful, science-backed, up-to-date, and content-rich information I've ever seen. So actionable, PHENOMENA! I've watched and read countless hours of fitness diet content, this is the best :)

  • @coach_nick_T
    @coach_nick_T Před 5 měsíci +9

    The moment we didn’t even know we were waiting for

  • @worldnomad2301
    @worldnomad2301 Před 5 měsíci +6

    The issue with alcohol is that there is no point in consuming 1-2 drinks because unless you’re a 110lb girl, you feel nothing at that dose. If I’m drinking and trying to feel that sense of well being alcohol provides, it takes 3-5 drinks, depending on alcohol percentage. At that point, you’re ruining your health, so might as well stay away completely.

    • @pahriz
      @pahriz Před 5 měsíci +2

      I say the same thing when asked about why I abstain from drinking....

    • @petemccutchen3266
      @petemccutchen3266 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Some people like wine or beer, even aside from its psychoactive effect. I can have one glass of wine with dinner and enjoy it.

    • @seitanbeatsyourmeat666
      @seitanbeatsyourmeat666 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I live in Italy… a drink (usually wine but can be a beer) is to enjoy the pairing with the meal, not getting drunk. I rarely have more than 2-3 oz once a week, usually Sunday (the day of family /friends gatherings with an elaborate meal).
      I think the alcohol overconsumption is unique to certain countries, because of psychological factors. I mean, **you’re not cool if you’re not drunk! Also, lack of mental healthcare is a factor
      **I say this as an American (ahem, a Texan. It’s a different breed of American, yehaw) that paid a lot for healthcare in the US.

  • @temp4miller
    @temp4miller Před 5 měsíci +15

    I'm a 66 year old female under 20% body fat with osteoporosis, that was a on a very low protein diet for a year and realized I lost a LOT of muscle. Just walked an hour a day. Skinny but weak. Started reading about osteo-sarcopenia which is scary. Started resistance training and increased protein. I want and need to 'wring every drop out of the towel' while I can and put as much muscle on now. Trying to maximize my weight training and if I'm going to work out hard I want to wring a much out of my nutrition as I can. But seems no studies on training and nutrition in post-menopausal women.

    • @rachelbrondel5858
      @rachelbrondel5858 Před 5 měsíci

      Are you on HRT? This is the only thing that has taken me out of the osteoporosis category ay 47.

    • @MelissaPons
      @MelissaPons Před 4 měsíci

      Look up Dr Stacy Stims. Simon interviewed her twice. She has fabulous work specific for women pre and post menopause.
      Keep up the great work!

    • @CarineDeBaets63
      @CarineDeBaets63 Před 4 měsíci

      Look up Dr Mindy Pelz.

    • @daleval2182
      @daleval2182 Před 3 měsíci

      Protein is what our body needs to repair damaged tissue and build muscle, and I'm a firm believer animal protein is far superior

    • @bonnieschmidt5882
      @bonnieschmidt5882 Před měsícem

      Actually, I think there are. Bottom line: more protein and strength-training.

  • @RobertaMelati
    @RobertaMelati Před 5 měsíci +6

    As always, Simon giving us the best 2hours and several minutes ❤ amazing conversation.

  • @MattPack
    @MattPack Před 4 měsíci +3

    Great freaking questions!! Loved this interview and should be a mandatory listen for the entire population tbh. These concepts should also be taught in school to prevent disease and to help curb the obesity epidemic.

  • @joe1071
    @joe1071 Před 4 měsíci +3

    “Get them both right” yes, and don’t forget the third and possibly fourth steps of muscle synthesis. Sleep and stress management. You need the stimulus (resistance training), the raw materials (protein), the actual building (sleep), and if you’re chronically stressed the best results will not come forward

    • @pammccasland2870
      @pammccasland2870 Před 2 měsíci

      Please check out Dr. Gabriella Lynn’s she’ll address that 😊

  • @hamakua484
    @hamakua484 Před 4 měsíci +4

    At what level of protein intake do you need to worry about the kidneys. For future podcasts. Thanks.

  • @david2023travel
    @david2023travel Před 5 měsíci +15

    You know this guy know his subject by how many times he say i dont know or this is" a grey area".... Very informative. Good job both❤
    watched at x1.25 🤭

  • @allenallen4810
    @allenallen4810 Před 4 měsíci +5

    One of the best Interviews I’ve seen on these topics. Thank you!!!!

  • @erickfernando18
    @erickfernando18 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Alan, thanks for being real and down to earth, much love to your family 🙌

  • @ilonaghine9690
    @ilonaghine9690 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Great content. Thank you!

  • @wallyrbc
    @wallyrbc Před 5 měsíci +8

    When Alan said there’s no downside to consuming too much protein, I thought of Dr. Gregor and those who similarly feel too much protein can cause cancer. Chris McAskill seems to agree with this opinion, someone I respect. But I respect many others, including Alan in this interview!

    • @skippy6462
      @skippy6462 Před 5 měsíci +3

      I wonder if the difference is that Dr. Greger is presenting healthy lifespan ie healthspan rather than endurance / muscles training regardless of life expectancy. I believe bodybuilders don't do so well. Not sure if I've fully explained this but hopefully you've got the gist. Or someone might add to it. Apparently if protein stimulates IGF-1 growth hormone which is supposed to cause cancer then too much protein even if plant protein should be restricted.

    • @wallyrbc
      @wallyrbc Před 5 měsíci +2

      Yes, you made a good point. Maybe he was saying too much protein can’t hurt in terms of building muscle, but wasn’t talking about longevity. Many experts in the plant based world feel the protein RDA isn’t sufficient in terms of general health. Is 1.6 grams too much for those of us who simply want to do what’s best for our health? Or are we doing the opposite by increasing inflammation? Simon has likely had enough of the Protein Discussion, as he has done his best to provide us with numerous interviews!

    • @TheAlanAragon
      @TheAlanAragon Před 5 měsíci +18

      The mention of no downside to high-balling protein is in the context of muscle growth/fat reduction. There are obvious practicality and feasibility limits to sustaining very high protein intakes. However, the threat to longevity is dubious, considering the reality that improvements in body composition directly translate to improvements in health (& by extension, longevity). Continual or progressive fat mass accumulation is not conducive to longevity - let’s keep that distinction clear.
      The longevity research niche has its fair share of Superman-sized speculative leaps. If you wanna hunt the big game of longevity antagonists & not miss the forest for the trees, target variables that manifest chronic or non-communicable diseases (NCDs), which cause 71% of deaths globally. Cardiovascular disease (CVD) is the predominant NCD, so program to mitigate CVD. Other tools in the longevity toolbox include getting better sleep, training & recovery, better body comp, better dietary choices (without getting neurotic & compromising psychological health).
      For most populations engaged in exercise training, optimal protein intake lies somewhere between 1.6-2.2 g/kg (0.7-1.0 g/lb). For those who are highly overweight/obese (or underweight), base protein on target or goal bodyweight, and you’ll land in the right ballpark. For those who want to low-ball protein for whatever reason, I wouldn’t dip below 1.2 g/kg during maintenance, or below 1.6 g/kg while dieting.
      With that said, I’d encourage those interested enough to read a couple of publications, which take deep dives into this topic. Just drop the following into google for the free full text (there’s a good section on liver/kidney concerns):
      PMC5477153
      Also, give the high-protein diets section of the following paper a read (I wrote this in 2017, the conclusions are still valid):
      PMC5470183

    • @wallyrbc
      @wallyrbc Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@TheAlanAragon I really appreciate the lengthy reply - thank you so much! I’ll start reading.

    • @TheAlanAragon
      @TheAlanAragon Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@wallyrbcsure thing, happy reading👍🏼

  • @mcso9166
    @mcso9166 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Awesome episode with Alan Simon!

  • @BryanMartinlaxcoach
    @BryanMartinlaxcoach Před 5 měsíci +2

    Awesome episode, great stuff

  • @TheIgnacio777
    @TheIgnacio777 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Great show and info

  • @jacqui4green
    @jacqui4green Před 5 měsíci +11

    Thank you for this excellent and comprehensive interview. As an older woman I am very concerned about optimizing my lean muscle. I read a lot about this topic, and this interview puts the information together in a very practical way.

    • @TheProofWithSimonHill
      @TheProofWithSimonHill  Před 5 měsíci

      You’re welcome

    • @daniellepomeroy8410
      @daniellepomeroy8410 Před 5 měsíci +4

      Thank you for this interview. As a post menopausal woman I find all the conflicting dietary information so confusing and so many drs working in this space promote animal protein and keto and then add the fasting on top of this. Mindy Pelz says, “the magic happens after 13 hours” and pushes 3 days fasts…. Also interesting that recomping is just about impossible unless you’re young and fit. Interesting. Again thanks. (From Burleigh Heads Australia - don’t forget about us 😊)

    • @melimoo6656
      @melimoo6656 Před 4 měsíci

      @@daniellepomeroy8410you nailed it!! From a post menopausal woman in Sydney!!

  • @cbrottler
    @cbrottler Před 5 měsíci

    Wonderful video. Thanks

  • @cathycollins2501
    @cathycollins2501 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Fantastic interview.👍👍

  • @azdhan
    @azdhan Před 5 měsíci +9

    Great video. Many thanks for this Simon. As a side note without seeing any research on this, I have heard that one long term potential issue with long tem keto is the development of glucose intolerance. That means if you ever fall off the keto wagon and start consuming much more carbs beyond the acceptable keto carb threshold, you are more likely to become insulin insensitive which can have downstream effects on increasing your risk of accelerating insulin resistance, prediabetes, and T2D. That totally defeats the purpose of why most people would monkey around with a keto diet. Also Layne Norton has pointed out that semaglutide dramatically increases insulin, but successfully causes far loss when used to treat obesity, totally debunks the carb-insulin model of fat gain. And from what I understand such a low carb diet could potentially be detremental to your gut microbial health given that it could dramatically undermine fibre intake and starve important gut microbes. As you already know Simon, of paricular concern here is if you starve Akkermansia muciniphila of food, it will cannibalize your gut lining, which can lead to leaky gut.

    • @jacqui4green
      @jacqui4green Před 5 měsíci +5

      I personally experienced new-onset insulin resistance after about 6 months in nutritional ketosis. Now I cannot eat any carbs, even berries, without a huge spike in my glucose. If this persists or becomes worse, my physician is considering starting me on metformin.

    • @tsebosei1285
      @tsebosei1285 Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks your comment is important, what about carnivore, they purpot it's the proper human diet. Do you reckon it could have similar consequences also no fibre, they say plants are anti nutrients

    • @leodesforges161
      @leodesforges161 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Well said. I mean, ketosis is an amazing survival mechanism, but it doesn't mean:
      One, that it's optimal to rely upon said mechanism for long periods of time, and
      Two, that in a modern food environment where carbs are widely available that its "optimal" anymore... if it ever was.

    • @chuckleezodiac24
      @chuckleezodiac24 Před 4 měsíci

      oh, no. i'm afraid. so scary!

  • @LilyDream35
    @LilyDream35 Před 5 měsíci +13

    I purchased plant protein powder while the show was going on, lol. I'm obese looking to retain as much lean mass as I can while losing weight. Thank you for the informative discussion!

    • @brucehall3214
      @brucehall3214 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Ketogenic diet will help. A carnivore diet will do wonders.

    • @levirognejensen1745
      @levirognejensen1745 Před 4 měsíci

      @@brucehall3214 I've lost weight on both keto and high-carb diet, both work for weight-loss, but keto left me flatter and weaker during workouts.

    • @seitanbeatsyourmeat666
      @seitanbeatsyourmeat666 Před 4 měsíci

      @@brucehall3214you should listen to the video 🌱

    • @ToniCroX
      @ToniCroX Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@brucehall3214 Fast lane to an early grave.

    • @jellybeanvinkler4878
      @jellybeanvinkler4878 Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@@ToniCroX nonsense!

  • @happynessadict
    @happynessadict Před 5 měsíci +2

    thank you Simon ,you are Amazing

  • @CoachValentin
    @CoachValentin Před 5 měsíci +2

    Great conversation guys, keep it going. Long life to science 💪

  • @yiankyr
    @yiankyr Před 5 měsíci

    Superb!

  • @joe1071
    @joe1071 Před 4 měsíci +1

    .7g/lb is the goal and there are a lot of people in the fitness world who recognize this as true, and recommend 1g/lb bodyweight intentionally due to potential measurement errors and the margin of error of grams protein on the label vs actual in the package. And most people are not weighing their food and “eyeballing” how much they ate and generally overestimating actual protein consumed. 1g/lb bodyweight leaves room for those errors and still hitting .7g/lb

  • @BostjanBavcon
    @BostjanBavcon Před měsícem

    Alan is THE MAN. Long time fan, been following him since T Nation days.

  • @megaj9175
    @megaj9175 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Love the new set, the production quality and aesthetics are off the charts. Small criticism for my personal taste: the moving (panning) camera view is a little distracting, I found myself paying attention to what the camera was doing instead of listening to the guest. Thanks for the valuable interviews

  • @leniolesch896
    @leniolesch896 Před 5 měsíci +5

    What an interessant listening! When talking about overweight people, I recognise that lots of them actually eat very little and might have compromised metabolic rate due to constant dieting. What are your thoughts on that?

    • @TheAlanAragon
      @TheAlanAragon Před 5 měsíci +3

      Search up the full text of a study titled, “Discrepancy between Self-Reported and Actual Caloric Intake and Exercise in Obese Subjects” by Lichtman et al, 1992. The full text is available in the New England Journal of Medicine. I also discuss this study in the ISSN position stand on diets & body composition, it’s free full text, see the section titled, “Mechanisms governing changes in body composition vis a vis diet alterations”

  • @joe1071
    @joe1071 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Zach Bitter is probably the most misunderstood endurance athlete ever! I was beyond interested in how he performs at an elite level at ultra distances, so I started watching interviews with him to get a better idea of his approach. Drum roll please!!!! He is only low carb in his off season. When he’s in a training block, he eats carbs for performance. When he’s competing, guess what, he eats carbs! His method of “low carb” is basically metabolic flexibility, so he is an efficient fat and carb burner, which reduces his overall reliance on carbs during races. So he consumes 60g of carbs per hour during races, compared to less fat efficient athletes that are aiming for 90g carbs per hour during the race. Hardly low carb, but still interesting

  • @blackmarketarmy
    @blackmarketarmy Před 5 měsíci +5

    Around the 1:28:00 mark you talk about how people like to compare photos from decades ago to today and compare body size. A factor that often gets left out of the conversation is smoking cigarettes. Obviously a terrible habit but....nicotine is great for appetite suppression. It is definitely an important variable to the thinness of past decades.

  • @karenbush5344
    @karenbush5344 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Excellent information here…I especially appreciate the discussion of soy for women. So important that people know it’s healthy in organic form.

  • @brucehall3214
    @brucehall3214 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I’m interested in a resistance training study with the following parameters: carb eater fed and fasted, low carb fed and fasted, carnivore fed and fasted. My guess is the lower your reliance on carbohydrates for energy the less the fed vs. fasted state will matter.

  • @jinluwang5671
    @jinluwang5671 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Female in early 40’s. I trained harder in 7 weeks and ate more protein with added intra workout intake, lost 4 lbs of fat and added almost 5 lbs of muscles. Started working out since 2018 and not a newbie. Before the 8 weeks period I just went through a 6 week fat loss phase. Overall in 3 months I lost 8 lbs of fat and gained 3 lbs of muscles. Scans are done via dexa.

  • @pedrolavigne9718
    @pedrolavigne9718 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I wish you would also interview Zofia Clemens PhD researcher from ICMNI [International Center of Medical Nutritional Intervention] to inform viewers about alternative well documented “evidence”.

  • @wallyrbc
    @wallyrbc Před 5 měsíci +3

    I found the alcohol discussion extremely interesting. Alcohol these days is the new Villain and has replaced sugar. It’s become a trend for many to talk about giving up alcohol, calling it toxic, even though they themselves are far from being problematic drinkers. Alan’s comments were very balanced, I thought. No need to tell me about the new Canadian guidelines - I’m aware!

    • @wallyrbc
      @wallyrbc Před 5 měsíci

      @@CatholicClips-gz3ct For sure and I get that. But many people are in fact able to enjoy it in moderation and find it relaxing and a pleasurable part of life. Nice to hear it not being villainized for once.

  • @jellybeanvinkler4878
    @jellybeanvinkler4878 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Only part way through. But I'd love to see this guy go head to head with Ben Bikman.
    Of course, as a 68 year old retired, overweight woman, his data of young competitive weightlifters will never apply to me.
    Plus, I wish he gave more details, when speaking of studies, than just 'carbs' and just 'protein.' The classifications make a difference.

  • @catherinekasmer9905
    @catherinekasmer9905 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I do not think that hauling around excess amounts of muscle is good for longevity. It isn’t a normal physique.

  • @marciavacafalcony4752
    @marciavacafalcony4752 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Fantastic episode!! Covered so much information in such an understandable way for us that are not scientists. Thanks so much to both of you for putting it together!!❤

  • @perry_123
    @perry_123 Před 5 měsíci

    As always Simon...Amazing episode ,plants for the win..... 💪

  • @GGamersUnited
    @GGamersUnited Před 5 měsíci +1

    so IIIIIIIIIN for later. YEAH, SCIENCE!

  • @gjps80
    @gjps80 Před 5 měsíci

    In relation to the NEAT discussion re slowing down the metabolism, has there been a discussion on the exercise paradox (Tanzania tribe) at all? This is one that has me scratching my head that's for sure, but perhaps Alan is touching on this as well?

  • @hugoalabanane268
    @hugoalabanane268 Před 5 měsíci

    Great as always ! But it would be awesome if you could put the studies you're talking about... Thanks Simon for your work !

    • @TheProofWithSimonHill
      @TheProofWithSimonHill  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Noted! My teams onto it

    • @hugoalabanane268
      @hugoalabanane268 Před 5 měsíci

      @@TheProofWithSimonHill Cheers ! I'm French so I struggle to understand the name of scientists each time and I spend more time searching the studies than listening the podcast🤣

  • @leek1002
    @leek1002 Před 4 měsíci

    I have lost 8-10kg in 2-3 months whilst getting stronger and keeping most of my muscle (arms bigger).
    Have bad back so have had to do small intervals of walks/water movements, light resistance bands...
    Intermittent fasted 18 hrs, eating small high protein meals (all clean foods). Small amounts of carbs (mainly sweet potato and brown rice).
    I am convinced If my back was good, I'd be much leaner and bigger.
    Int. Fasting is hard but incredible.
    Before int. fasting
    I had been eating small clean meals for months and lost little weight.

  • @donnahalstead531
    @donnahalstead531 Před 3 měsíci

    Protein is definitely the key .. I’ve tried all the diets and getting your protein intake up is why certain diets actually work… u can do it eating carbs and fat but just reducing both and inc protein

  • @wallyrbc
    @wallyrbc Před 5 měsíci +11

    Wow. Amazing episode and I wish everyone would listen to it. Nothing drives me crazier than the keto diet. I have friends who have been significantly overweight for twenty years, but they continue to stick to this diet because they initially had success when they first tried Atkins.

    • @glacialimpala
      @glacialimpala Před 5 měsíci +4

      Beside all health related stuff I never understood why it was ever advertised to fat people ie people with appetite issues - keto is insanely hard (unnecessarily ofc) even for someone with high self control in that regard. Add on top various symptoms that make your waking hours miserable...
      If someone wants a 'fad' diet IF is so much better since you eat whatever fits your macros and the meals are satisfyingly large

    • @brucehall3214
      @brucehall3214 Před 5 měsíci

      You do realize a ketogenic diet (carnivore primarily) is our species appropriate diet? It’s proven by stable isotope testing that this is our natural state. Failing to eat like a human will cause all kinds of problems.

    • @bonnieschmidt5882
      @bonnieschmidt5882 Před měsícem

      Might you also have friends who have lost weight and maintained that weight loss on a ketogenic or low-carb diet? In both cases it’s anecdotal info and people often see what they want to see, even choosing and/or ignoring friends whose behaviors based on their established beliefs. Cognitive dissonance is hard to face.

    • @wallyrbc
      @wallyrbc Před měsícem +2

      @@bonnieschmidt5882 No. I don’t have a single friend who has lost and kept weight off due to the Keto Diet. And time will tell about the impacts this diet will have had on their health, putting weight aside.

    • @bonnieschmidt5882
      @bonnieschmidt5882 Před měsícem

      @@wallyrbc Hmm…we’ll, I lost 80 lbs and have kept that weight off for years. Maybe we can be friends? 😉

  • @lhpangler
    @lhpangler Před 5 měsíci

    I wonder if there would be any interest discussing the impacts of not eating breakfast, missing the protein target and not enabling MPS.

  • @davidjdriver
    @davidjdriver Před dnem

    Is there a TLDR somewhere on this. The podcast meandering conversation format is hard for me to focus on for this long.

  • @ddowning8272
    @ddowning8272 Před 5 měsíci

    Great interview. I found the discussion about carbohydrates and insulin informative. So glad Simon asked if there had ever been studies injecting insulin to induce fat changes. I had never known that bodybuilders had done that in the 90s. Between that and the fact that GLP-1 drugs raise insulin, the whole "insulin makes people fat" hypothesis should be debunked.

  • @willsmith3202
    @willsmith3202 Před 21 dnem

    Would I base protein off lean body or scale weight ?

  • @joe1071
    @joe1071 Před 4 měsíci

    Word on the street is cold plunge prior to workout. Have not personally trialed this as prior to my workout it seems like freezing my ass of would suck. But can’t knock it til I try it, so maybe someday I’ll experience the benefits

  • @communitychurchofsyosset2251

    Increase of per person sugar/HFCS consumption? Could the entailed increased calorie consumption, even adjusted for substitutions, rise to a level that would account for our obesity trend?

  • @teachertrx1204
    @teachertrx1204 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Simon this was great. Can you and your team please do a video about protein and bone loss or bone development? I have osteoporosis and have been following Dr John McDougall's advice to limit protein because he cites research that states excess protein causes bone loss. He even recommends in cases of severe osteoporosis to restrict legumes because of their protein content. Yet I know there's other research supporting the use of protein supplement for bone development. Please please help! I'm so confused!

    • @chuckleezodiac24
      @chuckleezodiac24 Před 4 měsíci

      lmao! Dr. McDougall recommends 30-40g of protein per day.
      Simon Hill has done many episodes on protein.
      "How Much Protein do We Need?" Stu Phillips & Chris Gardner interviewed by Simon Hill.
      "Bone & Muscle Loss Solutions with Simon Hill" -- Hack My Age channel -- (geared towards women over 50.)

  • @MKstudiovideo
    @MKstudiovideo Před 4 měsíci

    How would I achieve 1.6g of protein per kg if I don't want to count it? Just by instinctively eating.. Is there for example some food plate distribution analogy or anything similar that could help to build my intuition? Let's say that I prefer to eat whole food plant based. How do I get that 1.6g of protein just by intuitive eating?

  • @lindsaytoussaint
    @lindsaytoussaint Před 5 měsíci

    😂 Simon’s “make it make sense” moment regarding our food labeling having both oz and grams… fam we don’t know either. Measurements make no sense here at all 😂.

  • @sabythoma1878
    @sabythoma1878 Před 22 dny

    I just listened to an interview Alan did with Dr Simm? I believe her last name is. He said there was not difference in performance between fasted and not fasted training. Did I hear him correctly? He said now there is.

  • @trajtemberg
    @trajtemberg Před 4 měsíci

    What a freaking trove of knowledge.

  • @sandrasiewbaran9230
    @sandrasiewbaran9230 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Any ideas about putting on lean body weight by eating plant based foods will be highly appreciated....

    • @landerhendrickx3522
      @landerhendrickx3522 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Do resistance training consistently multiple days a week and eat enough calories from whole foods.

  • @tsebosei1285
    @tsebosei1285 Před 5 měsíci

    1:06:12 carbo hydrate, they hydrate muscles

  • @joe1071
    @joe1071 Před 4 měsíci

    Great talk. As an endurance runner, I also hear about the post exercise carb window to replenish glycogen and aid recovery. The info given to me was 15 minutes immediately after exercise is the greatest opportunity for your body to rapidly process and replenish glycogen, and that efficiency decreases every 15 minutes after after that. And ideally a you want a carb to protein ratio of 4:1.

  • @bjreed1251
    @bjreed1251 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Thanks for discussing in-the-weeds topics! I need help tracking Carbs, don't know what that term includes. Currently logging foods into software; it states Total Carbs - Fiber = Net Carbs. So which number equates to the word CARBS in your podcast? Thanks.

  • @carinaekstrom1
    @carinaekstrom1 Před 5 měsíci +2

    So saturated fat might increase testosterone, but what is the effect on sperm quality? And do they have any studies with sat fat from veg vs animal sources?

  • @karenbush5344
    @karenbush5344 Před 5 měsíci

    Cravings!! It’s about the bacteria in the gut. When you balance the gut bacteria the cravings go away. They are driven by gut bacteria imbalance…overgrowth of yeast, h- pylori. Take a functional medicine approach.

  • @humbertobegolla8803
    @humbertobegolla8803 Před 5 měsíci

    There is extensive research and studies that prove the insulin theory. Low carb has been prove to be beneficial for health.

  • @donnahalstead531
    @donnahalstead531 Před 3 měsíci

    Just look at your ideal body weight charts online for your age , sex and height

  • @StephenMarkTurner
    @StephenMarkTurner Před 5 měsíci +5

    And protein continues to be harmless or harmful, depending on who ya ask. :-)

    • @skippy6462
      @skippy6462 Před 5 měsíci +2

      True! I'm on Dr. Greger's page mostly because 1.2 to 1.6 g protein per lean bodyweight is too much for me. Just can't eat enough and I'm definitely not interested in protein powders.

    • @daniellepomeroy8410
      @daniellepomeroy8410 Před 5 měsíci +1

      And I feel that if one has to resort to protein powders to reach your target then maybe the target is too high?

    • @octavianandron9635
      @octavianandron9635 Před 5 měsíci

      Not true at all! There are plenty of studies which shows higher proteing intake such as 3 grams per kg or 2 g per pound did not show any detrimental effects. This doesn t mean anyone should eat 2 g per pound it s not necessary for most the people but it also doesnt mean if they are people who eats a lot of protein will provide any harm. I dont know who dr geiger or whatver his name is butnif he is claiming that 1.2 grams of protein are bad for you...well good luck to listen to that Bs. Also it seems that you did not get what this man said. 1.6 g per kg is optimal for acrive people whos primary goal is to build muscle. Foe general health he recomens 1.2 g per pound. If you have difficulties to eat 1.2 per pound I am sorry that doesnt mean protein is bad 1.2 protein is reachable and you are probably well under 1 gram. That s an issus and you might want to fix that. Maybe make wiser dietary choices. There are plenty of protein sourcez so even if u dont like.protein powders you can still.easily achieve 1 g per pound. Good luck.

    • @gore-geousmombie4686
      @gore-geousmombie4686 Před měsícem

      ​@@daniellepomeroy8410 Nah, it's just hard to get enough plant based protein when you don't like eating them. It's good if you have no time to eat also because it's better a protein drink than fast food because it's quick.

  • @But1non
    @But1non Před 3 měsíci

    Ask about Hi Fructose Corn Syrup as the EVIL in "Carb"

  • @samanthab5006
    @samanthab5006 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I'm curious what protein target would be if you wanted to gain weight. I'm 7 months postpartum and breastfeeding. I lost almost 10lbs in the first trimester and only gained about 20lbs overall. I'm about 8 lbs under my pre pregnancy weight now and can tell I've lost a lot of muscle (basically my entire bum lol). I'm currently trying to eat enough to stop losing weight while taking care of my 22lb son who loves being carried around. I want to start exercising again but am worried about more weight loss (5'8 and 127lbs)

    • @tsebosei1285
      @tsebosei1285 Před 5 měsíci

      What caused the weight loss

    • @samanthab5006
      @samanthab5006 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@tsebosei1285 I had an over supply of breast milk and my baby was a big time contact sleeper after about 2 weeks. So if I didn't have a snack or meal nearby it could be up to 90-120 minutes until he woke up. Also he loves being carried so I spend at least 1-2 hours a day with him in the carrier plus just carrying him around without it and he always has been in the upper 90th percentile in weight and height. When I was pregnant nausea and food aversions prevented me from gaining much weight though baby was normal weight of 7.1 lbs born at 38 weeks

    • @eliteboxfitness
      @eliteboxfitness Před 5 měsíci

      What caused your weight loss ?
      Focus on increasing your calories where you can

    • @samanthab5006
      @samanthab5006 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@eliteboxfitness I explained in another comment but basically nausea and food aversions resulted in weight loss from lack of calories in first trimester and almost half of the second. My total weight gain over my normal weight was only 20 lbs which isn't much when you account for the baby, placenta, fluids. Postpartum breastfeeding can burn up to an additional 700 calories per day. When you're deciding between sleeping and eating it's easy to not eat enough. Later on if I didn't plan appropriately I could get stuck on the couch for a contact nap up to 2 hours during a time I'd normally eat making it easy to miss a meal and just have a snack. My son also loves being carried so carrying a 15 to now 22 lb baby up and down the stairs in a three story townhome trying to get things done or outside to get fresh air for a few hours a day. At about 4.5 months I went back to my work from home job so between work, nursing, caring for baby outside of working it can be a lot to juggle and self care can be hard. I've also not been very good at eating large quantities at once so used to eat more like 4 meals pre pregnancy. Basically I just have found I need to be more intentional and plan ahead. Even then though I find it hard to eat enough calories to keep up with calorie loss from breastfeeding.

    • @eliteboxfitness
      @eliteboxfitness Před 5 měsíci

      @samanthab5006 yeah a lot of hurdles there for sure..view your journey to increase lean mass as your own experiment. You're right about intention and planning ahead. It's essentially the only way with all our individual hurdles. Don't give up and enjoy the experiment

  • @althe
    @althe Před 5 měsíci

    Dr. Janish has all this more succinctly in his e-book.

  • @sandrasiewbaran9230
    @sandrasiewbaran9230 Před 5 měsíci +6

    I lost all the fat that I need to lose, now I want to put on lean body weight without eating meat, poultry or fish....only plant based foods... Anyone who has done this before, please reach out to me. Thankyou.

    • @david2023travel
      @david2023travel Před 5 měsíci

      I am doing that and at 50... Just eat wpbf.. For protein dontbforget lentils, beans and soya (soya drink, edamame, tempeh), i am not a fan of tofu just for the taste, also try seitan if available in your country... Do be honest very easy to eat your target protein... One secret to get your green ( brocoli, kale, red cabbage) ... Make a smoothie !!with frozen mix berry... Without smoothie hard for me as i will be bored to get salad every day. Dont forget also b12, omega3, and a multi vitamin low dose

    • @jellybeanvinkler4878
      @jellybeanvinkler4878 Před 5 měsíci

      Why?!

    • @skippy6462
      @skippy6462 Před 5 měsíci

      Look up Dr. Greger's DAILY DOZEN app which is free and lists all the food groups, portion sizes and servings. It's the minimum so eat more as required. Combine with weight bearing exercises. I do pilates too. I'm eating whole grains, soya beans, tofu, tempeh, beans, lentils, veggies, fruit, dried fruit, herbs, spices, mushrooms, sweet potatoes. Plus supplements: B12, vitamin D3, iodine and omega 3 DHA & EPA. It's all on his website and there's books in the library. How Not To Die is excellent.

    • @toddupchurch1028
      @toddupchurch1028 Před 5 měsíci

      Good luck.

    • @musicmonsterman8395
      @musicmonsterman8395 Před 5 měsíci +8

      Eat whole grains, legumes, tofu, tempeh, tvp, soy milk, nuts & seeds. Also tons of veg. It’s quite easy really!

  • @tsebosei1285
    @tsebosei1285 Před 5 měsíci

    1:39:21 to be continued

  • @jimjim-hx6fd
    @jimjim-hx6fd Před 5 měsíci

    I love the endless re-packaging of old gym bro wisdom. This whole thing seems like a great justification to go stock up on animal products. Toss in a little nuance about white meat being better than red, sure. But what's really the takeaway here? Protein = good; and the more the better.

  • @Siegbert85
    @Siegbert85 Před 5 měsíci

    Why are people still talking about BCAAs and not EAAs?

  • @sethboviper
    @sethboviper Před 5 měsíci +4

    I only do pushups and squats so not really in the target audience but the protein levels being talked about seem awfully high, with only a small benefit for a small sub population. For most they are going to have expensive pee and poop, wasting money and the earth’s resources. What am I missing?

    • @telramba
      @telramba Před 5 měsíci +1

      The more you train the more protein you require. The older you get, the more protein you require, especially if you are training.
      If you are just doing push ups and squats then you should be ok on the lower end of the recommendations
      "To meet the functional needs such as promoting skeletal-muscle protein accretion and physical strength, dietary intake of 1.0, 1.3, and 1.6 g protein per kg BW per day is recommended for individuals with minimal, moderate, and intense physical activity, respectively."

    • @althe
      @althe Před 5 měsíci

      Protein is not wasted, it is recycled as necessary and useful. You are missing the hormones and enzymes that protein is responsible for aside from its structural synthesis. Whatever amount of protein you eat is less than 20% of what you continually need, which is augmented by breaking down muscle protein into aminos. Muscle is the storehouse of amino acids.

    • @leodesforges161
      @leodesforges161 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Higher protein intakes, especially lean sources of protein (for calorie purposes), are not only protective of muscle (which supports bone health) but also more satiating and higher in TEF (thermic effect of food). Remaining leaner and more muscular are two of the biggest predictors of overall health.
      {People being sedentary is also a predictor for poor health).
      So: more protein is beneficial for basically anyone who is not consuming enough protein to support muscle tissue and who is overeating carb/fat due to satiety issues.
      A healthier population is good for the planet.

    • @gore-geousmombie4686
      @gore-geousmombie4686 Před měsícem

      I used to aim for about 90 a day and after doing the math, I'm at over 160. I have zero cravings and lost 2 pounds in 2 days after increasing my protein so significantly. More protein = fewer carbs and fat and calories which is really what it's about. I eat carbs but I no longer overeat them.

  • @leandrobecker123
    @leandrobecker123 Před 5 měsíci

    Great interview. But in 1h when he talks about dexa scan for estimation of lean and fat mass he is not right. The really gold standart is MRI. See for example the work and studies from AMRA medical.

    • @TheAlanAragon
      @TheAlanAragon Před 5 měsíci

      I actually said the 4-compartment model would be considered the gold standard for body composition.

  • @advertiserfriendlyusername5362

    1:03:08 Protein farts.

  • @OceansVideo
    @OceansVideo Před 4 měsíci

    If the insulin/carbs are not the perpetrator than why are people in Thailand who didn’t change anything in their lifestyle the last few decades are getting fatter and fatter since sugar is widely and very cheaply available?!

  • @dansmith9724
    @dansmith9724 Před 3 měsíci

    Why does he keep say keto diet, when its really a low carb diet that most people follow not a keto diet with 80% fat intake.
    Also not all low carb diet guru's harp on about insulin and in a round about way or not much is mentioned about the benefits of a low carb diet is its appetite suppression, which is a big key to helping people stay on a diet as well as help people reduce their calorie intake. Im sure their are many low carb dieters understand they eat less calories to lose wt and appetite suppression of keeping carbs very low helps them to eat a calorie negative diet.

  • @carinaekstrom1
    @carinaekstrom1 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Why have people gotten fat? The simple answer is too many low fiber calories. Fat consumption, not just from refined carbs with fat, but also from meat with fat. Meat consumption per capita has gone up a lot since 1970.

  • @AnthonyL0401
    @AnthonyL0401 Před 5 měsíci

    This guy just said the internet appeared in the mid 80s. Ummm 1:26:40

    • @pannigirl
      @pannigirl Před 3 měsíci

      Noticed that too! I think he meant to say mid 90s

    • @davidyong8719
      @davidyong8719 Před 3 měsíci

      The first version appeared in 1983.

    • @AnthonyL0401
      @AnthonyL0401 Před 3 měsíci

      @@davidyong8719 That's not what he was referring to, from context and premise of bringing it up

  • @zeecoop1500
    @zeecoop1500 Před 2 měsíci

    You lost 😡 me in less animal protein.

  • @tsebosei1285
    @tsebosei1285 Před 5 měsíci

    2:12:11 they eat meat butter and eggs

  • @vladimirlelmezh7671
    @vladimirlelmezh7671 Před 4 měsíci

    Do you ever get female guests?

    • @TheProofWithSimonHill
      @TheProofWithSimonHill  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yes I do My latest episode was with a female guest.

    • @TheProofWithSimonHill
      @TheProofWithSimonHill  Před 4 měsíci +1

      2 of my last 4 guests are women

    • @TheProofWithSimonHill
      @TheProofWithSimonHill  Před 4 měsíci +1

      I’ve also dedicated handful of episodes to women’s health including a women’s health masterclass

    • @vladimirlelmezh7671
      @vladimirlelmezh7671 Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks for you replies, Simon - I will make sure to watch those episodes. I'm a big fan of your channel, by the way, and have learned a great deal from it. Keep up the good work!@@TheProofWithSimonHill

  • @user-ud5sm2de4l
    @user-ud5sm2de4l Před 5 měsíci

    “Ketogenic diets compromise glycogen storage”
    So how glycogen is replenished in a ketogenic diet…? Am I walking around without glycogen since I eat zero carbs? How can my muscles work then and be gaining more muscle mass than ever in my life?
    Mr. evidence-based… you still have to learn some more human physiology. The human body needs ZERO grams of external carbs. The glycogen is AT ANY TIME replenished by gluconeogenesis using fats or proteins. Without glycogen the muscle couldn’t lift heavy weights, but you don’t need carbs for that, and you won’t be stronger eating carbs.
    “Ketogenic diet is not good for muscles because professional bodybuilders are not following it”
    Oh! Great science! If nobody use it must be correct… BTW have you ever heard about Vince Gironda?

    • @TheProofWithSimonHill
      @TheProofWithSimonHill  Před 5 měsíci +4

      Do you have a study looking at athletes showing on low carb diets glycogen stores can be at 100% capacity?

    • @stefanhummel5033
      @stefanhummel5033 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Please check the latest studies with Dr. Tim Noakes (end of last year). All Keto or Low Carb studies (hopefully less than 20g) cited in this video incorporating weight training are not carried out over more than 6 months (some require even more time to adapt). This inherently is not a fair study design if below intervention is below 6 months. I'm keto now for a year and lifting weights. I frequently use a continuous glucose monitor and I can see how my blood glucose levels rise dramatically when performing heavy squats, deadlift or generally higher intensity workouts. On fully adapted low carb, the body must learn to replenish glycogen stores by the liver, which produces glucose on demand. I feel much stronger during my workouts now than before keto (there was a dramatic performance drop during this adaptation). I also understand why performance athletes do not like undergoing this transformation. The time it takes impairs competition results. @@TheProofWithSimonHill

    • @leodesforges161
      @leodesforges161 Před 4 měsíci

      @@stefanhummel5033 I guarantee if it worked better than carbs-included diets, at least SOME pro athletes would be full keto. Guaranteed. The elite athletes of the world could care less if it's difficult. If they were winning world championships, they would eat whatever it took.
      That said: aren't a few ultra-endurance athletes full keto? I could be wrong on this, but I seem to remember this being a thing.

    • @gore-geousmombie4686
      @gore-geousmombie4686 Před měsícem

      Compromised doesn't mean zero

  • @user-ud5sm2de4l
    @user-ud5sm2de4l Před 5 měsíci

    Great! At least evidence-based nutrition! Let's click play….
    Calories??? Wait, wait, wait… where the hell is the evidence about “calories”? Can anyone please send me the studies/evidence explaining how calories work in the body??
    Calorie= the amount of energy needed to increase the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 °C. What has that to be with body mass in our metabolism?? Where is the evidence-based…?