David Samson on Scott Boras, Derek Jeter's Marlins Tenure, Arraez trade, Soto & Alonso
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2024
- Former MLB exec David Samson dishes on super-agent Scott Boras and his upcoming clients, Derek Jeter's Marlins tenure, and the Luis Arraez trade. Plus, will Juan Soto break the MLB contract record?
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Lifelong Marlins fan. It hurts every time there’s another rebuild. Blaming it on the fans is ridiculous… we’ve been on too many roller coasters to believe things will change with the Marlins.
No the fans are terrible. Always been
@@johngoldsworthy7135
How about we get an owner that's not cheap and committed to winning. Look at the Panthers. Learn before you speak.
fans in Miami don't go unless there is oct baseball and that's a shame.
@@hideogaming4553 You can say that about Florida baseball in general. Look at the Rays. They had October baseball at home and still couldn't even sell half their tickets. They had homefield advantage throughout the first round and still couldn't even get 20k fans to show up to a single playoff game coming off a 99-win season. That's compared to other states who have teams selling well over 30k tickets to regular season games. The problem is Florida has too many transplants from other states who care more about watching their favorite team in meaningless Spring Training games than they do watching a Florida team in games that actually matter. They like living in Florida but too many of them grew up rooting for another team and that's likely never going to change.
@@Alucard-rx5zw Marlins were a playoff team last year. They were even ranked higher than the World Series Arizona Diamondbacks. Marlins fans still didn't show up last year and they haven't shown up this year either. When fans of any team won't show up during or even immediately after playoff seasons why would the owner invest more money into the team? The lack of attendance even during playoff seasons proves that there aren't *enough* Marlins or Rays fans and Florida as a whole isn't a viable MLB state.
Slimy dude.
While we are talking about bringing light and truth to the masses about Major League Baseball front offices, can we please talk about how much nepotism goes on in MLB Front Offices with hirings… sort of like how David Samson became Executive Vice President of the Montreal Expos at the age of 30 or 31 because his stepdad, Jeffrey Loria, became an owner of the team?
Lifelong Marlins Fan here and Samson Is a Jrk Off! Jeter is the one who brought in Sandy Alcantara, Edwin Cabrerra, Jazz Chisholm, Max Meyer, Sixto Sanchez, and they actually made the playoffs and improved under Jeter. Samson is crying about a sculpture? WTF? Hes a Fraud, the Marlins did not want to sign anyone when Derek was apart of management and did a darn good job, Samson is a HATER. Look at the Marlins now without Jeter, its a dumpster fire. And it was an even bigger dumpster fire with samson, he never took the marlins to the playoffs.
Whoa! Did Samson just expose Jeter and call him a liar?
He'd been openly calling him a liar and much worse publicly for years now.
He doesnt like jeter which is his opinion. Its not Jeter Tenure he left 2 years ago.
Jeter was not suited to be a business man. I think he was in over his head, and made decisions without considering their repercussions. He should have just rested on his laurels after having a storybook career.
If I wanted to cast a soulless sleazy lawyer villain in my movie, I'd call this guy. Tone, cadence, oleaginous affect, head wobble, dead eyes, cynicism spun as hard truth-telling - he has the entire toolkit of creepiness.
So very well said he is just the worst
oleaginous...strong...nice comment...10/10 if you sub "repertoire" for toolkit.
HR sculpture was awesome!!
Hell Yeah. 50K subs. Should really have like 500K
As a former Marlins season ticket holder the reason they can't draw is because they built the stadium in the wrong area. They get no one from Broward or Palm Beach counties because of the I95 traffic. Samson is a jerkoff who failed the team ands ignores the underhanded dealings that built the stadium. No truth escapes Samson's mouth and shame on the host for not researching the subject before having Samson on.
Jerry, I lived in Miami for years. I know exactly how it all went down. Samson also talks openly about it. No shame on me buddy. I'm a pissed off Miami fan but blaming Samson is absurd. This team has gone thru the same shit with every ownership group. Jeter said it would be different. Now this group fires Kim Ng. What a mess
And sacrifice the Miami fans? The Broward and Palm Beach fans didn't work out at Joe Robbie either. It needed to be in Miami.
Isn’t David Samson the clown who told ball boys not to throw foul balls into the audience so he could save money?
yep and he still justifies it to this day
$6 a ball 😎
lived in Miami for a while and feeling for Marlins fans rn. it ain't right to tank again
Marlins always suck because they found it to be more profitable to lose and rake in that shared revenue money than actually care about baseball and try to field the best team possible. David Samson and his step father taught the new ownership well.
Regarding Samson's comment on every player becoming a free agent every year and why the MLBPA doesn't want that (even though it sounds good for them)...
This came up in 1976, and Marvin Miller's opinion is if every player becomes a free agent, it will actually lower salaries for mid-level players due to a glut of supply. The strategy he laid out is to have fewer free agents that pull massive contracts because of the limited supply, which sets the market rates for arbitration, giving mid-level players healthy pay raises, which further increases the market, making it so free agents get even larger contracts.
6 years of service time until free agency, combined with 3-4 years of arbitration was the healthy balance to hold back supply of free agents enough to drive salaries up.
Also, as far as it goes for fans, having every player be a free agent every year would be horrible in terms of being able to cheer for a star year after year. Most fans would not enjoy this. As far as Samson needing a casual fan outsider to give him a north star in terms of public opinion, players constantly changing teams every year falls into that category of things casual fans would hate as they wouldn't even know who the players are for their team.
Valuable history and excellent points.
Remove the year-to-year aspect (so not every player is available all at once), then total free agency is not that bad of an idea...
I support David’s idea of annual free agency.
15:08 Altuve will be a career Astro, Pete can do the same if he wants.
When David Samson finally goes to Hell, even the Devil is going to be sick of his shit after 3 days
Fetch the treasury I must have the baseball glove throne
True
We still hate him in Montreal for what he and his step father did.
David Samson always brings it as a guest. I can see how he might rub some folks the wrong way but I have no doubt that he tells the truth and has enormous insight. Also, he's super entertaining.
How do you fire an owner?
As a lifelong Yankees fan and a fan of DJ, I agree with Samson. Most "super stars" don't do well as a coach, manager, or front office executive. My fingers are crossed for Cal in Baltimore. Business people run businesses, HOF players usually do autograph sessions and show up to Spring Training and make stadium appearances.
That's bc they have a god given talent that even themselves they cant explain. To them the game is easy. They dont understand how you cant get it. Thats why catchers and guys that were bench dudes make for better managers. They needed to work to stay in the mlb
Usually when a star joins a front office, it's just to be the face of their PR, not to actually make decisions. The problem with Jeter is that he was too stubborn to just be the PR guy, he wanted to be a decision guy too.
Samson is the embodiment of what’s wrong with sports and corporate America. Prototypical person who was born on 3rd and when he scores thinks he hit a HR.
David Samson is a goon. Acts like it's awesome about firing a manager of the year LOL. Knows zero things about how a team should be ran, the game, and most likely probably never played before. It's amazing you guys brought him on for a conversation. Not worth it. At all. It because of guys like him that this game is what it is now.
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I agree, I'm one of those people who will purposely not watch a video if it has a clickbait thumbnail, like the one with Stephen A.
@@ralelunar you're missing out
Why *did* the Marlins void their team option to keep Schumacher? All that option did was give the Marlins leverage. I get they don't plan to keep him but why not just decline the option at the end of the season? Why go through the trouble of voiding it now if they don't have to? Did Schumacher agree to take a lower salary or pay cut for this season in exchange for them voiding it now or something? That's the only thing I can come up with but that has never been reported as far as I know. Outside of that what could possibly be in it for the Marlins to void their team option so far in advance?
The new Marlins PBO didn't hire Schumaker. They may want to move on with their own choice after this season, but saw no reason to replace him right away. They may be interested in him staying on, they may not...
When a team has an option, they can void it or announce they aren’t going to exercise the option any time they want because it is their option. Schumaker didn’t have to agree to anything got the Malins to void the option because he had no control over what the Marlins do with the option.Void the option is nothing mote than not exercising the option and the Marlins can make that decision any time they want and they don’t have to wait to the end of the season to announce they are not exercising (voiding) the option because the option is totally under the team’s control. Samson hinted at a possible reason for voiding the contract (actually he said he would fire the manager) and that is due to comments that were bot in line with team management’s trade and rebuilding. Most teams would just fire the manager if they felt he was not in line with management (at least publicly), but maybe they don’t want to pay a new manager to step in for the rest of the season???? At least the manager knows where he stands regarding his contract and he can plan knowing he win’t be back next year for sure.
@@dorothygale1104 I know they *can* void the option whenever they want but I just don't get how it benefits them to do it this early. I mean... What if the Marlins end up playing much better than we all expect the rest of the season and it's enough to make some other team become willing to trade for him. Now they can't trade him because they voided the option. I'm not saying that will happen because I assume it's not. The thing is that's only an assumption though. I just don't get the idea of closing doors or burning bridges (aka voiding *team* options) before you have too. You never see this happen with a player. Teams always wait to see how a player performs as long as possible before they void a team option unless they are getting rid of that players right away to clear a roster spot. As you pointed out the Marlins aren't getting rid Schumacher this year though. Team options are *always* a good thing for the team. What do the Marlins have to gain by voiding it this early? What do they have to lose by waiting until the end of the season if they are going to let him manage the team that long anyway?
@@positively_broad_st3780 I posted a response to someone else above but if you read that this is sort of an extension of that reply. I think manager contracts aren't always disclosed like player contracts are. So the only thing I can come up with is maybe the team option for Schumacher also came with some sort of buyout like often happens with players. Maybe he decided he didn't want to stay a Marlin and wanted to be a free agent at the end of the year and maybe the Marlins decided they didn't want to keep him after this year but also didn't want to pay another manager on top of what they pay Schumacher. I think all of those things are likely in fact. So maybe the Marlins said, "Since you don't want to be here next year anyway we will make you a deal. We will guarantee that you will become a 2025 free agent *right now* if you guarantee us we don't have to pay you a 2025 buyout *right now* " or something along those lines. Since we don't always get to know every specific detail of front office and managerial contracts I'm thinking their has to be at least some kind of potential monetary benefit going to the Marlins for them to guarantee Schumacher 2025 free agency this early in the season no matter how he and the team perform the rest of the way. There's a good chance we never find out though since he's a manager. I'm still dying to know the specifics of the Atlanta Braves record breaking 8-year extension for their GM Alex Anthopolous. At 8 years long it has to be the largest and most expensive GM contract of all time. That happened months ago and they still haven't released the specifics of that contract either.
It was supposed to be a sign of good faith because he was unhappy about Kim Ng leaving. At least that’s the official story.
Ah yes, the common practice of corporations passing public subsidies to their employees. 🙄
If they had a team in Orlando it would be a different story
music to AJ's ears
Everybody would be stuck on the I-4 trying to get to the game...
@@positively_broad_st3780 😂 hey you’re not wrong. But we would at least go to the game.
Why is it every time David Samson is interviewed he always throws Jeter under the bus. It sounds like sour grapes since Samson was FIRED by Jeter and that group
David Samson is scum, not even the worst owners want anything to do with him
It does sound like sour grapes, however David isn’t lying about that. Jeter said a lot of things to try to win press conferences but none of the things actually happened or resulted in the Marlins winning games. I think he’s been one of the worst team presidents ever and will probably never be given another chance.
@@mikehawk514 that all may be true however as an executive (speaking of Samson) you have to know that you are expendable. Unfortunately, it seems Samson never moved on and appears to act like a jilted lover. He needs to let it go. The art which was removed, that Samson is always whining about, was ugly. Whether it was Jeter or his successor- Samson was going to be fired. By the way, why wasn’t he rehired after Jeter left? Why didn’t any of the 29 other teams hire Samson? At the end of the day, the ONLY reason why David Samson had a job on an MLB team was because of his stepfather, Jeffrey Loria, the former owner of the Marlins. If not for nepotism we would not know who David Samson is.
Maybe jeets deserves it? It would explain it...
@@joqqeman maybe but Samson always sounds like sour grapes for a person in Samson who if not for his filthy rich stepdad, we would not know who he is. We don’t hear other former GM’s talking about their former employer.
Anytime you get ran off by someone who does a worse job than you were tends to get salty. The Marlins are looking up at their division and see the Braves and Phillies aren't going anywhere.. time to start over, again.
Rob Manford, Goodell, team owners, and any other Sports commissioner can suck a big one re: asking for public subsidies.
If corporate subsidies/public monies are going to affect my job…I will be happy to vote on it…because that relates to my job.
Owners of teams crying for public subsidies offer no benefit for the public other than the team being in the city they play in. Public is already supporting the team with season pass purchases, reg ticket sales, overpriced concessions, and team jersey/merchandises. That part is already understood…because that’s how a fan can support their team.
Any subsidies along with that are taxes that go to the many other important things that affect our daily lives (roads, public city buildings, transportation, etc.) not to rich team owners. For ppl that side with the owners…you’re more than welcome to dole out your own pocketbook for them…nobody’s stopping you…just don’t expect the rest of us to.😃
Great job David
I'm a Gianst and Marlins fan, andf you guys wanna solve the puzzle why fans don't show up to games ? bacause we're tired of cheap ass owners treating the taem as an ATM ,so funny all these guys tryin' to be bold and no one said shit about cheap ownerships
Soto will be a Yankee for life. They have $90 million coming off the books this winter and more in the 2 years that follow. This guy is a clown.
Samson didn’t say Soto won’t sign with the Yankees or that the Yankees don’t want to keep Soto. He said the Yankees won’t overpay for Soto.
@@dorothygale1104 Only the SF Giants will overpay for Soto. That's where he ends up.
You can have your opinion lol but you have no clue what Soto is going to do until he signs on the dotted line nobody does . The Yankees are going to have to pay up big time if they want him and I like their chances of doing so . Have a hard time believing that they traded for him with no intention of making him a yankee for life , there will be competition though so the Yankees can’t let themselves get outbid because if they don’t retain Soto what’s their backup plan??
I hope the Yankees do sign Soto the DH for a ton of money for a lot of years. It'll continue their trend of handcuffing themselves with players with a limited skill set that age-out early and get hurt often. The Yanks can have him. The rest of the league don't what will be an albatross contact on their books...
Soto never worst more or near $450.
So its necessary for billionaires to get tax breaks because other billionaires got those same tax breaks so now every billionaire deserves them.... How about we just get rid of all of those tax breaks for all of em. WTF. Bro I swear its backwards.
Base the dominican national team in Miami to replace the marlins
David Samson "Survivor Legend"
This sleazeball just said the quite bit out loud. Owners don't want to pay their fair share, because they don't feel they should. More revenue for them with minimal investment while tax payers foot the bill. The fact that he so openly said it and used it as some convoluted defense for corporate welfare, should cause alarm on how much these bastards feel that can get away with and feel entitled to. We, the working class, deserve a better standard!
Marlins fans will never trust again
First Papelbon and now Samson. FT is scraping the bottom of the barrel for guests lately. Who's next, Lenny Dykstra and John Rocker?
Papelbom is a great guest when moderated w guard rails. Samson is just a lame libtard weiner
different takes and authentic baseball answers. no cookie cutter BS. which guests do you like?
You sound insufferable. And yea, those would be great guests.
This clown stated “he lost 100 games.” Since when did this clown put on a uniform? It’s hilarious what these suits take credit for.
Fans will never come to Miami. Even if they win 10 WS in a row. It will never happen. They won in 97 and 03. Fans didn't show up.
Or they can get owner who's not cheap and committed to winning. Look at the Panthers. Learn before you speak.
@@Alucard-rx5zw Miami fans are incredibly fair weather/bandwagon. Look no further than the Heat fans in the playoffs, or even in the regular season.
I've been a fan through it all in south Florida. Until you've cheered and been on the mountain of the world series, and then thrown off the mountain into a pit by ownership, you have no idea how tough it is to continue on.
I can’t stand David Samson! Dang drama queen 👸
Me too. He’s also a libtard
David Samson is a good guest. Positive guy.
Aj kinda wearing on me . he’s a little much
AJ is ALWAYS a little much, it his personality. He does have some baseball knowledge, so it is the price to pay. YMMV
You just soft lil bro
DAVID SAMSON, the epitome of nepotism but all he does is whine about Derek Jeter
Wow! Way the wuss out guys. Dave asks you a question that I would love to hear an ex-players perspective on and you answer by thanking him for being on the show and end the show.
Stop bringing this guy on…he can’t get over his failed tenure in Miami…
Smart dude
jeter getting rids of things to try and make them like the yankees was so dumb,
I hate how these bench players try to hype up Pete Alonso
Jeter $$@@ks
I can't stand AJ anymore, the stupid comments are getting ridiculous. Talk baseball, you're not funny.
He actually is funny.