What Was East and South in Middle-earth? Middle-earth Explained
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- We all know the stories of the north and west in Middle-earth, but what of the lands and peoples off the eastern and southern sides of the map? Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts on this lore in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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There is a missed opportunity here for Amazon. They could have created amazing new stories and characters for these regions. It would have flushed out this fascinating part of Arda very nicely.
You see that requires talent...
Yeah, but much easier to race swap elves and dwarves, make Galadriel a strong independent woman who don't need no man and add some lesbian hobbits.
I think it's still possible, so long as the willingness and desire to try something new is taken. I'm not going to say it's impossible, given the show itself isn't complete(though there doesn't seem to be much hope). With the right people and interest though I won't rule it out quite yet(probably crazy for having this hope)
I agree with you. I’d like to see how the peoples of Harad reacted to the colonisation of both Black Numenoreans and Sauron. Did they try a sort of resistance supported by the Blue Wizards ?
They are, most of the characters and places revealed so far are from The Southlands (besides Numenor and Lindon)
Tolkien described a "new" type of Easterning in the trilogy: They were a little taller than Dwarves, and had long beards and used axes. I think those were the Variags. My impression was that they were a cross between Mongols and Vikings
I wonder if the dwarves and men were hybridizing there
See "Varangians"
the variags of Khand were horse chariot fighters
I recall hearing somewhere that variags were originally northmen like the rohirrim and lake people were
The creation of Harad: Tolkien was inspired by Ethiopia for the creation of this people in his mythology:
"Christopher Tolkien linked the Haradrim with ancient Aethiopians. In an interview from 1966, Tolkien likened Berúthiel to the giantess Skaði of Norse mythology, since they both shared a dislike for "seaside life". Additionally, Tolkien scholar Tom Shippey stated in reference to the 'black men like half-trolls' passage from The Return of the King that Tolkien was attempting to write like a medieval chronicler in describing the Rohirrim's encounter with a Haradrim: "[...] and when medieval Europeans first encountered sub-Saharan Africans, they were genuinely confused about them, and rather frightened.
Much of Tolkien's influence for Harad and the Haradrim came about from his essay Sigelwara Land, in which he examined the etymology of Sigelwaran (and the more usual form Sigelhearwan) - the Old English word for Ethiopians."
The people of Harad are black, tall, fierce and valiant. There is thus a potential for worldbuilding the culture, traditions and mythologies with a hint of North African civilizations and an homage to the "unknown" myths of sub-Saharan Africa
About the peoples of the east - Rhûn, Khand and Variags. Tolkien said he was inspired by Asia (China, Japan, etc):
"When asked in an interview what lay east of Rhûn, Tolkien replied "Rhûn is the Elvish word for 'east'. Asia, China, Japan, and all things which people in the west regard as far away."
In an early versions of "The Hobbit", Bilbo's speech about facing the "dragon peoples of the east" had an reference of China and the Hindu Kush:
"In the earliest drafts of The Hobbit, Bilbo offered to walk from the Shire 'to [cancelled: Hindu Kush] the Great Desert of Gobi and fight the Wild Wire worm(s) of the Chinese. In a slightly later version J.R.R. Tolkien altered this to say 'to the last desert in the East and fight the Wild Wireworms of the Chinese' and in the final version it was altered once more to say 'to the East of East and fight the wild Were-worms in the Last Desert'."
History of Middle Earth - The First Phase, "The Pryftan Fragment", p. 9
I always saw the barbarian invasions (Wainriders, Balchots, peoples of Rhûn) from the far east against the northwest of Middle-earth as a reference to European historiography with the onslaughts of (semi) nomadic Asian peoples (the Scythians, Huns, Mongols, etc.).
I think Tolkien left very few details about the peoples of the East (Rhûn, Variags, Khand) and South (Harad) because he didn't have (correct me if I'm wrong) as much interest or scholarly access to the mythologies , African and Asian histories and cultures. But even if he had contact with this knowledge, i have the impression that Tolkien would not want to fall into an "orientalist" vision of the 19th and 20th century period that was predominant in the imagination and the portrait that was made of these continents.
Tolkien spent years studying and reading his passion for European mythologies. He spent years and years building Middle-earth. I imagine he would need the same "work and time" to incorporate African and Asian cultures in his work.
This is so incredible to hear, I always seem to learn new things about Tolkien and his amazing world.
I can attest to reading this before. Thank you for posting this.
Some fans speculate that the Variags are of the Northmen stock, based on the etymology of Variags (Varangians), so that's another dimension to explore, too.
and amazon cares nothing for any of this its evident...
@@kreuzrittergottes9336 that garbage is Tolkien in name only. TINO.
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It would be interesting to see more of these lands. If only Tolkien had spent more time with them.
Instead of rewriting what Tolkien wrote (looking at you, Amazon), maybe present-day butchers of his original work could invest some of their own imagination and expand upon those regions of Middle Earth. Clearly, switching the point of view of these conflicts would be a worthy literary exercise.
@@matthiasweiss1144 I doubt that would be good either. Putting aside the wokeness problem. This new amazon thing is gonna be very dumbed down for mass appeal. It'll be a marvel series with elves and swords.
@@montanarepublic3296 Without a doubt. But if done well, it could have been a gateway drug to Tolkien for the masses, just as I needed to get my toes wet with LOTR before hitting the Silmarillion.
@@matthiasweiss1144 I wouldn’t hold my breath but oh well.
@@matthiasweiss1144 No way that would go well either.
I've always been curious about the world of Arda beyond what we see in the books, and I wish Tolkien had written more about those lands. It kind of blows my mind that almost everything of note that takes place in those stories does so in one small corner of the world. It would be interesting to hear about other nations and their struggles against the Dark Lords of Arda, maybe even rivals to Sauron that attempted to carve out their own dominion after Morgoth fell.
"Home is now behind you. The world is ahead."
Now we're getting into the good stuff 😃
I absolutely love maps and geography; add that to Tolkien lore and I'll b busy for awhile lol
Can only imagine what stories and heros would have arisen from these parts of the world
Also the reshaping of the world from flat to round.....I need to read about the psychological effect of this, also how lands just all of a sudden came together
Simply and unequivocally fascinating
I remember reading that in one version of the lore Ungoliant lived in the Dark Land of the South for a while, until Earendil killed her. So I think of it as having many venomous creatures and spiders, making it Arda's version of Australia.
"Arda's version of Australia"... Oh dear God! That land, in OUR WORLD is a freaking realm of horrors! I can only wonder what it would be like in a fantasy world of Tolkien's caliber!!!
@Egert Roos Just imagine the spiders and the reptiles, really. Australia in our world already has some of the freakiest varieties of those critters. In Tolkien's world?... Holy Hell!
In the Simirillion it said she ate herself but she went into far Harad
@@steffanyschwartz7801 It's one of those things where Tolkien had different ideas at different times. The Silmarillion says that she "went whither she would into the forgotten south of the world", which could mean Harad but could also mean the Dark Land.
@@davidandrews2972 ya, but she still ate herself
It’s a shame we can’t get a video for the Land of the Sun. It sounds an awful lot like a Japan-inspired part of the world. I’d be curious to know what kind of land that place might’ve been, what people, warriors, landmarks, structures and alike Tolkien could’ve had held in store there. I’ve always admired what J.R.R. Tolkien created out of his inspirations, and I can only imagine how extraordinary the Land of the Sun could’ve been, if I’m right about it being a Japan-like realm.
It's really not like that, the Dark Lands and the Land of the Sun mostly seem to be nearly-uninhabited hell holes full of paranormal geography and maybe some land-marks of forgotten times
He definitely based it off japan. He based the people of the East off of India and Asia.
@@LegiuneaAMIt's not sure if anyone lives east of Middle Earth.
The land of the sun was a land that the valar created to be similar to aman but ended up abandoning it to become a barren wasteland that is very uninhabitable
@@dominik_4449 Unfortunately.
Great video Mellon, keep up the good work!!!
There is so much around the margins of Arda that could be developed into ongoing stories… JRRT is one of the few people I wish could have had the lifespan of Elros- maybe then he could have told all the amazing stories from the regions you have touched on here. As a study of geography and the physical sciences, Tolkien’s world never ceases to amaze me. The Professor knew exactly what he was doing, and I cannot think of another parallel (or mythologically earlier) world rendered so thoroughly and believably. Looking forward to all the future stories of these lands being told!
Now this is a geographical video I can get behind! Thank you sir!
As always a very well presented video, thank you for expanding my knowledge.
When a new video drops it makes my day. Thank you for respectfully bringing to life Tolkien's literary masterpiece.
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Great video I always wondered about this and now my question have been answered! God bless you
Umbar is my favorite southern City. Rich and contested history. It also is a strategic point of Middle Earth. The Fourth Age would be interesting for South Gondor and Umbar.
why a favorite if i may ask?
@@efaristi9737 cool name
The corsairs are fascinating to me
@@efaristi9737 Numenoreans created a great city and then captured Sauron. It has been contested for the Second and Third age. The tower was built looking West toward the sea and Numenor.
@@shadowofchaos8932 so it's your favorite because it was a numenorean settlement?
You help keep the magic alive, Yoystan. Can’t thank you enough
Nice video, looking forward to what comes next
This really makes sense. If I was to stand in Gondor I would be, corresponding to the world today, in Greece/Rome. South of this is the nations of North Africa, where we all know is Egypt and Libya and Sudan. Technically where the Carthaginian Empire existed. then we go further south and we see our familiar jungle terrain, where the ancient Bantu people lived, and we got our Ethiopia in the horn of Africa. In the east we connect it with the cradle of civilizations, like Mesopotamia, the lands of Israel and the familiar lands of Anatolia and further east we see the countries of India and Pakistan and Mongolia. A lot of Assyrian people in ancient times were experts of using Chariots, so the wainriders were probably mostly inspired by these cultures. I read that in relation to Middle Earth, while the name refers to Afro Eurasia and the surrounding lands, there is a connection to the Mediterranean Sea and Middle Earth, being that Mediterranean means Middle, as in the middle sea of Afro Eurasia. Our world is the most fascinating place God created, and blessed are we, the Children Of Iluvatar, for living temporarily as guests on this earth, as long as it lasts. We look forward to the world to come, Arda Healed when Melkor will at last be destroyed forever and ever. There is more that I could have said, but as a general note I wrote this in hopes that I was correct in my analysis.
Númenor is Atlantis (for those who believe the latter at one time existed).
Nice tie-in to Christianity!
@@tominiowa2513 In the style of the Minoan civilization.
I love Harad! It's very exotic and interesting to me. Thank you for the video, Men of the West! Looking forward to next week's video!
Another great video! 🙌
Thank you for this and keeping the curiosity of this world alive.
I always wanted to see / know more of Rhun / Harad. Thanks for the vid.
Thank you for restoring the ability to share these videos that you create on FB and other social media! Any way to fix the past 3 weeks of videos with thumbnails & descriptions so that we can share them too?
Great video, thank you!
Creating a map or atlas helps in any story. Tolkien had it and he triumphed again. Star Wars has one for 1-6 and legends. But still orienteering is needed even in writing.
I don't think SW ever had a map, not one used for production anyway. There's fanmade ones and non-canon licensed maps for the various visual dictionaries and so on but not a production map.
However the Leigh Brackett draft of The Empire Strikes Back has some more concrete information about the galaxy including a scene that would have included a galactic map showing the areas that the empire controlled and the location of Hoth. You can tell she was a proper science fiction writer because she is never confused about distances, the difference between systems and planets, or when to use hyperspace or not. All of which ends up being quite vague in the final film.
@@doltBmB They had an atlas that i guess counts as a map.
Always love finding out more about these regions of Middle earth that no one talks about.
Imagine a tale about the Easterling and the blue wizards?
Love maps, especially as a child. I bought all the map books in the 80's that existed. I still have them all of course, not looked at them for a longtime. I used to draw my own fantasy maps when small, and sometimes I would expand Middle-Earth.
Cool topic, I wish we had more info on some of the further reaches of Arda. I appreciate the knowledge you compiled here!
I like the art of the city of Meletis by Adam Paquette from Magic the Gathering there at the 7:00 mark.
Yoyston, Pardon if I misspelled your name. I would love to hear you speculate on who the "Variags of Khand" came from if you would. Also where they may have come from? Thank you for this video. I always love your input on J.R.R. Tolkien's Lore on Middle Earth.
While on the subject mellon, you should do a video on Dark Lands, Lands of the Sun, Void, Timeless Halls, and New Lands. maybe with some predictions and guesses at what could have been there.
Thank you for mentioning the Dark Lands. I imagine this is where the dark elves would be. I forgot where it was written if not cannon but it was said that nothing lives in the dark lands. I would hypothesize that those elves that went away from the Valar would not be allowed to bask in their light regardless of life or death and not having the control of fate that men had, there would be a rational for the dark elves to live there. On man's thoughts and opinions. Also appreciate you!
No, the Avaris chose to stray from the Valar but the Valar never forsaken them, they had no reason for it as the Avaris weren't doing anything evil. Why would that be logical for the Avaris to live so far?
Drow.
I wish I knew more what happened in the South and East in Middle Earth...We get told bits, but I hoped we see more of those places!!!
Thanks Mellon for telling us about the South and East of Middle Earth, until Elladan and Elrohir's ECHs...Marion Baggins Out!!!
Another hauntingly beautiful video Yoystan, truly it might have been wonderful if Tolkien had indeed had more time to spend upon the lands to the east and south, though I might add maybe also had more time to spend on the Dwarves, to give them some extra tragic and beautiful figures. Figures akin to the greats we see in the Legendarium such as those of Numenor or of the Syndar or Noldor.
How you manage to never make a bad video, is beyond me, kudos to you once again my friend!
Have you ever looked at the Middle Earth Role Playing System (MERPS) expansions? I’ve read through a few, and they have a hell of a lot of info on different regions in Middle Earth. East and South too.
Very impressive, your knowledge on this subject is remarkable. I first read the Hobbit in 1979 in high-school and the LOR shortly after, I still can't get enough of Tolkien lore .
Must admit I hoped these were the lands that Amazon would at least partially explore in the new series ( both when I thought it was about Aragorn's early life and current iteration). They could expand and write new lore for areas we know little about and while I understand there would have to be a focus on the lands covered in LOTR I felt this would allow a good balance of old and new without upsetting to many (you always upset some people after all I still grumble about no Barrow Wights :) )!
they can still do it probably will explore i the show
Gosh, I really wish there was at least a story about the fall of the blue wizards.
I like to think the Blue Wizards set up around the east and had a cult fighting Sauron filled with differing factions such as those from the east and south. But after Sauron falls, I see Alastair and Pallando trying to take over and rule. Thus they fell in their mission.
@@happywheeler4268 Or one turns against the other. And they both fight each other. Brother vs Brother.
@@michaelblower7363 Oh that’s what I meant too. However we know if it came to a straight up battle between the two wizards, Alatar would win being the greater of the two.
Most probably they got killed by Sauron's minions.
@@haroldcruz8550 then they would have returned. Like Gandalf
Great vid but the volume is very low. Had to max it out to hear you. Could you record louder in teh future? We can always turn it down if it's too high but we can only go up so much
Our author of this master piece is just a man with his take on his world through his experience. If a author from Africa or India wrote our story our heroes would of the east or south.The story written in a time of change in our real world. So I just appreciate his story telling and know he telling from his view through tha window of life.Great vid thank you for your time.
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I'm really sad that I can't find where for certain where the Yellow Mountains. Were they in the South Land or in Far Harad or they even split between these two continents.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure no lived there. The only mortals to ever visit were Nùmenòreans who travelled there at the height of the kingdom. Other than that only the Ainu had ever travelled there unless they took a few elves with them.
@@hurinthalion5984 well, it is said that these mountains were sparsly populated by Haradrim and Orcs. And it could've been that there were some Dwarfs.
I think that this is where most of the Haradrim live. It would make sense for it to be more populated there maybe even alot of the fallen Numanoreans live on coastal ports
@@steffanyschwartz7801 no, the mountains were sparsly populated
Cheers dude. Next, please do a video where you explore the outcome of an imagined battle between Fatty Lumpkin and The Wild Kine of Araw. Go on - you know you want to 😋
Was my question on your video on "the settlements of numenor" partly the insperation for this video?😅
Very interresting. I always wonder what would have been beond the middle Earth card.
When I read the Silmarillion I found it hard to figure out which parts of the old map of Middle Earth described in this book became the new parts we are more familiar with within The Hobbit and LOTR.
Any chance of making a video (If you haven't already) of how the geography changed and how the map we all know better, came about? Thanks
Kudos for using the old Merp map!!!
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Hello my friend… thank you for speaking on this subject today. I find these “other/outer lands” to be very mysterious and evocative of stories undiscovered - which would have made them great choices for Saur-Amazon’s tales (see what I did there!?).
@Achyuth Parthasarathy don’t be confused I will send you something in the PM that will clarify my comment. I’ve been banned from PPP (Prancing Pony Podcast) for posting it and confronting the Admin for their hypocrisy in encouraging me to post it to their Rings of Power subsite and then allowing the membership to attack me. Stand by …
@Achyuth Parthasarathy well, I thought I could send it to you in a PM but I can’t. If you want to see the fan story I wrote concerning Saur-Amazon, let me know. I think you can just click my profile and respond. Not prolific in this media so forgive me for my ignorance.
@Achyuth Parthasarathy yes, likening the Dark Lord to Bezos. You have an intuitive nature. Namarië
Are you familiar with the work done by Iron Wind Enterprises when they had the license to do their Middle Earth Roleplaying Game? They did a fantastic looking poster map that showed the far east and south, and I believe they also did sourcebooks for some of those lands.
I’m guessing you mean Iron Crown Enterprises,but yeah, those guys really had a lot of love for the source material and expanded on it in thoughtful and logical ways. Fans are still creating modules for MERP and expansions for MECCG to this day! It was a real shame when ICE lost the license. 😢
I would say that most of the lands of middle earth are still unknown, and we know little about them.
Middle Earth is a continent on Arda, not the whole.
I think we know all about Valinor. We didn’t even learn about south Beleriand in that large forest. We learned everything about Eriador and what’s west of Anduin
Can't wait for the what-if video for what if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and on forward?
I always found the Haradrim proper cool when I was younger first seeing them on the big screen and then being introduced to Games Workshops Lord of the Rings game like.
Just how different they are artistically etc Be nice to see them fleshed out more!
that's awesome. me and bro used to play that games workshop game. I still have many of my pieces. I did elves (galadhrim) for my good armies and easterlings and haradrim for my evil armies.
What a fascinating region, if only some large well funded company would make a show about it.
Was always fascinated by the unknown lands to the east and west and wanted to see more about them nut on the other hand it is good that we dont in a sense as it leaves those places to seem like far away distant almost alien worlds to the ppls of the west
The people to the East and South are almost more interesting to me than the men of the west. Because really, Numenor and its descendants are like an idealized view of humans and in a way their proximity to the elves and the Valar supposedly kept them more "pure". The people in the other lands, on the other hand, had to deal with Sauron without the help of Gandalf, Elrond, or Galadriel. Imagine the War of the Ring without those individuals. And that was the East and South's just average, day to day life? It sounds very, very different.
Don't forget how these humans would've interacted with the Avari elves and whatever dwarven clans existed where they were, it would've been an interesting dynamic since these elves were probably as suspicious of the western powers like the Valar as the humans were.
Yes!
I think Aragorn said that the ‘stars were strange’ in the south? Different constipations etc
Constipations??? Hahahahahhaha I'm dead! Great typo!
@@dgenxali That was funny. LOL
I really enjoyed this video and thank you for making it! The east has always fascinated me and I am sad Tolkien did not tell us more. I am pretty upset Amazon wasted an opportunity, as I would have explored the East and South if I were in charge of this project.
That is why I like the Middle Earth RPG game and the Total War Middle EArth mods. They create wonderful substitutes.
how did they waste opportiunity the show isn't even out and they probably will explore those regions
@@bullrun2772 Galadrial, Elrond, and Isildur are the star characters. And that cuts down alot of the 2nd age
@@bullrun2772 They are casting Galadriel, Elrond, and Isildur as the star characters. That cuts out a lot of the Second Age. Also the trailers do not show Harad or Rhun. Only Numenor and the West
@@sageofcaledor8188 bruh that does not cut down on anything what the hell
@@bullrun2772 First off it feels like you are saying what the hell just to sound cool. You sound annoying.
Second. I have been following the news. Amazon wants diversity,, they say they want diversity, and their best idea is the focus on the western part of middle earth? If they were serious about it, they would invest the budget into the south and the east and have it in their advertising. Yet they are not. The Amazon director even admits they don't care about the source material.
Thank you for the video. I wonder though, where Mordor is supposed to be then if the atlas of middle earth is mistaken. I dont know exactly why but I want to specifically know how to locate Mordor. It helps me to somehow match the maps
As much as I love Tolkien, and his world-building mastery, my biggest complaint (if I had any) of Middle Earth was the "incomplete map" of the world, which always left most of the East, and all of the South, completely off the grid, and almost out of perception entirely. The only time we saw the East was when the Easterlings came West, to fight for Sauron. Some of the Wizards went East, but we hear very little of their exploits, and less-still of the terrain that they traveled through. That's always kind of bugged me. You don't really have this problem with places such as "The World of Ice and Fire," or the two continents of David Eddings' fictions. I'm sure that JRRT had his reasoning, but... I dunno. The incompleteness of his world always did kind of bug me.
i agree a little but not that much
I like to believe that, while Sauron had general control over these lands, that in the south and even the east there were a few regions under the control of free people who Sauron could not control, perhaps in part due to the influence of the Blue wizards. I would like to believe that it was due to the existence of these few havens outside Sauron's reach that the forces of the south and east were unable to conquer Gondor, and that tales of such regions lost to time could be very interesting.
Personally wonder of the Orcs of the east and if they survived after Saurons final fall? Probably stopped existing like the dwarves or elves. Just a guess.
Arda is bigger than i thought in the third Age, i have never heard of thoses dark lands, sun walls and hither lands. They are not mention in the books.
Well, they are mentioned in the books, just not The Lord of the Rings that many know, but other works of Tolkien.
@@ErelasInglor like which?
@@efaristi9737 J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Shaping of Middle-earth, "V. The Ambarkanta: Map V"
J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Shaping of Middle-earth, "V. The Ambarkanta: Of the Fashion of the World"
J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Book of Lost Tales Part One, "IX. The Hiding of Valinor", pp. 212, 225
J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of Thingol and Melian"
Also may find reference to these places in The Unfinished Tales.
@@ErelasInglor I only have the last one :(
A suggestion: in minecraft, there´s also a LOTR mod and I think it would make a great video if you react to stuff in it and maybe connect it to the lore.
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(So: "Sea of Helcar" = the Mediterranean Sea 🤔)
A more detailed video about the map of middle earth would be cool. To talk about the various maps and their differences and such and what we can know is true and not. Cheers
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Minor side note. I think based on Tolkiens writings none of the originally 7 dwarven clans originated in the south.
2 were awakened in the Blue mountains, Durin was in Gundabad and 4 were likely in the Orocarni mountains.
"The other four Fathers of the Dwarves were laid to rest in two pairs in Rhûn; lands at least as far east of Mount Gundabad as it lay east of the Blue Mountains."
Of course this is based off Tolkien Gateway and its source is an excerpt from the People's of Middle Earth "of Dwarves and Men", so take it for what it's worth.
It's stuff like this that I wish had slightly more lore involved. I'm not saying Tolkien had to write a full blown story about the lands east of Rhun or south of Gondor but at the same time I wish he'd have given us a little bit more of a framework for our imaginations to work with.
Numenor is actually very much in the south, south of Umbar even. Harad is actually far closer to it then Lindon.
It makes sense that there were as much Numenorian settlements in the Hitherlands as there were in the North if not more.
There were a lots of forests in Far Harad too which was a main ressource the Numenorians coveted, and later, slaves.
Tar-Minastir, Elendil and the faithful Numenorians only went to the North of Middle Earth because of their friendship with the Elves.
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I wish there was more information and detail on the lands of harad the easterlings the variags of Khand the giant scorpions the mumakil the were-worms there's so much there to work with
If Tolkien lived 1000 years I am sure he would have moved on to Arabic, Egyptian and Ethiopian cultures and fleshed out the rest of Arda.
I wish we knew more about the blue wizards
Hi! I heard mention in the video of "druidine." I've never heard this term before. Who are these people?
The Druadan "Wild Men" or Woses, are the inhabitants of the Druadan Forrest that were hunted by the Rohirrim, who mistook them for animals. They appear in the Return of the King to lead Theodain and the Rohirrim down a back road unguarded by Mordor to come to the aid of Minas Tirith during the battle of the Pelennor Fields. Theodain makes peace with Ghan-Buri-Ghan and later Aragorn acknowledges their forrest as their own and forbids any other men of the west from entering it. They were primitive but in tune with nature and were staunch foes of Sauron and his orcs although not strong enough to oppose Mordor with arms.
The "Druedain." Also known as the Drughu or the Woses. A short, ugly, primitive, and forest-dwelling people distantly related to the Dunlendings. Some of them lived on Numenor for part of the Second Age, though they returned to Middle-earth when the Numenoreans started to turn against the Valar. By the late Third Age, small numbers of them lived in the woodlands of Andrast in western Gondor and the Druadan Forest north of Minas Tirith. In the War of the Ring, they escorted the Rohirrim through the forest to avoid an army of Orcs on the way to the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
What happened to Cuiviénen after the war of wrath? Did it survive into the 3rd age? What happened to the remaining Avari who were there
All good questions, none of which I have sure answers to unfortunately 😂
I imagine the Avari at least did not sail West and probably remained there.
I’m more inclined to believe that they interbred with the Easterlings but given we don’t know for certain. But it would be cool if the Easterlings had and they just never heard about or went through with the choice of all half Elvins
He vast is the native habitat for the oliphants? They are so much bigger than elephants, and must need far more food.
I would love to see you talk with Stephen Colbert....
Love Harads spelling and feel
There seems to be one primary source for maps. What is it?
The Atlas of Middle-earth
@@MenoftheWest . Hey I seen a video that the Tolkien estate is gonna be aggressive on copyrights, check channel Tolkien Lore. He did a video about it, i dont know if they're going to strike the small channels first before going after the medium and big ones like yours. I dont know it's because the fans are using the literal books, quotes and Tolkien's letters to combat Amazon Rings of Power series. Amazon and fake Tokien scholars wants to find a way to silent us.
I feel channels ( LotR/Tolkien fans) should know about this.
i want to know about kings of southlands and how their line broke!!
I believe there have to be a heroic story of kings of southlands
I hate it when fantasy does this thing where the north and west are incredibly detailed and have some originality in it, but then for the south and east it's like whatever stereotype we have of those points on the compass
Only the west it seems. The Far-north of Middle Earth (Forodwaith), which is basically the north pole, is more mysterious than Rhun or Harad even though it is only mere 100 leagues from the Shire. I believe Tolkien even intentionally did this as a thing about western-centric historical views typical of pre-Colonial age.
I swear there was some mention of panthers in the south
they should have followed the blue wizards east if any networks wanted to do a story, so as to make their own content and not mare what is already wrote! Besides would be cool to find out what could have happened to them!
i want rhun in lotro :)
Here we go to regions untraveled
I believe these works have to be inspired by the Poetic Edda, Heimdisvald, in which Goths come to war with invading Huns. Tolkien himself wrote versions of the poem.
Excited to see what they do with all these characters and cities said to be in the Southlands in the new show
"He passed out of knowledge of the Men of the West"
Ok boys, episode's over. Time to go home.
Lol there's just silence after that
I like to think that the lands of the East of Middle-earth were expanded upon the Change of the World near the end of the Second Age. We know that the geography of Arda would have become radically altered at a later date, perhaps at the end of the Fourth Age. That would have had to have been a cataclysm on the order of the Great Flood of The Bible.
I wish that amazon's incoming series would take place in the east and south. It would be so much better than fanfiction than whatever brain-fart that upcoming series. I have ideas, if you want people, I would share them.
they are exploring all of middle earth in the second age and they could still make a spin off show. fan fic jeez you sound stupid
I always felt that if the Rings of Power wanted to shoe in a minority playing an elf it should have been one of the Avari.
Firstly, there is not much canon information on them so there is some wiggle room for creative liberty.
Second, Elves have shown some form of contempt towards other Elves of “lower” standing. I can see the remaining Eldar being discriminate against the Avari and thinking them inferior because they refused to journey West during the Years of the Trees.
Finally, they could have gone into further detail on the lands to the East, such as the Easterling nations, the Dwarves of the Red Mountains, etc.
It was suggested that the ent wives may have been sleeping in the shire
"What actually happened to the Entwives was something Tolkien wanted to keep a mystery, even to himself, but in one of his letters he said, "I think that in fact the Entwives have disappeared for good, being destroyed with their gardens in the War of the Last Alliance." The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien
I would have preferred that the entwives went west to the shite and stayed somewhat dormant, awaiting the return of the ents, after being separated during the War of the Last Alliance. I would have also written that the entwives silently aided in keeping the shire hidden from outsiders, something even Gandalf never realized, but suspected.
Then I would have written that the leader of the entwives, was the Oak perched at the top of Hobbiton. Upon which the ents do in fact finally find the shire, and rest next to their loved ones and kin, while enjoying thousands upon thousands of sunrises and sunsets.
The end.
i want to know more of the continents of the dark lands and land of the sun
I always wondered why the Blue Wizards went east, but no-one went south. If we equate Middle-Earth to our world, one possibility is that there was just more to the east. More people, more lands, more advancements in wisdom and learning. If the Blue Wizards were diplomats, it suggests that there was more in the East where diplomacy could be effective. If they are "wise men" then there is more knowledge in the east, perhaps. This all suggests that there was not as much to the south. Obviously the Black Numenoreans set up shop there some time back, but the writings seem to suggest that they sort of devolved. They clearly did not like Gondor, but in more recent years they seem to limit themselves to coastal raids.
But an alternative explanation would be that the south was a lost cause, whereas the east was not. Why send wizards to the south when the people clearly hate the north, and cannot be reasoned with. Sauron held sway over the near east, but the Wizards went further east to the lands that were allied with Sauron but not under his sway. The people of the south were more closely allied with Sauron because of their long history fighting the north.
It's all speculation, but it is interesting.
The Wômaw (D.S."Gifted People") or Far-Easterlings were an ancient people in the farthest east in the second Age.They were the descendants of Avatani-tribes heavily infuenced by the culture of Angband through the impact of the Dragon UtumkôdurWômawas Drûs encompassed all of the areas once ruled by the lords of Wômawas proper. Administrative units were organized along cultural lines and basically corresponded to traditional ethnic areas. After the division of the empire in T.A. 1794, various kingdoms and confederations arose in most of Wômawas Drûs (D.S."Dominion of the gifted People") districts and often strove to eliminate any obvious vestiges of their elder subserviency; nonetheless, the names and borders of these smaller realms were generally the same as they had always been, regardless of who was master
Oh East I thought you said Weast.
I should do a Patrick Star - Epic Character History at some point 🤩
@@MenoftheWest Well that will help since the inner machinations of his mind are an enigma. Can we also get one on the philosophy of Wumbo
Does Middle Earth have poles? It's at least sort of supposed to be our Earth, and we do, but LotR doesn't seem to reflect this, or reference it. Men of the South are often more described as desert dwellers, and not those who eventually find a vast snowfield, while I feel Gundabad, where Durin I awoke, is about as far north as I can see, and neither he, nor the later orcs, seem to freeze up there. Snow is seen; we know King Helm Hammerhand fought in a blizzard, and the trek to cross Karadharas is famous, but the prior was just seasonal, while the latter was conditions on a tall mountain, so nothing like the Arctic or Antarctic. The equatorial middle of the map isn't the warmest desert region, either. I wonder when, in the Fourth Age, and under what circumstances, the world again changed so much?
The closest to the North Pole i think is the Forodwaith region, already described as a perpetual frozen wasteland with a native tribe typical of "North pole people".
The bear went over the mountain to see what he could see. The other side of the mountain was all that he could see.