Seppo's tip really clicked with me, I went out yesterday and really focused on keeping my head back and BAMM! my brace was way better and I was overthrowing holes I have never been able to reach before. :-)
Anybody hating on Matty O's form is nuts. The dude bombs! Everybody has seen the standard by-the-book form videos, I thought it was dope to see his technique. Especially that slomo. I never really understood how he could generate power from such a compact upper body during his run up. Nice video!
@bruce wayne Yes! Many people do not get what he is trying to teach (send to be fair he isn't a great teacher in this video haha) I love his form though. Very unique, but he still throws bombs. I made a comment about it in the original comment section. Check it and and let me know what you think
Love the tips guys. Extremely good advice and really easy to understand. I dont even throw prodigy but this team is becoming my favorite just from the good vibes and communication.
Thanks so much for this video Seppo. That’s exactly what I’ve been doing, leaning forward through my pull and after the release. Didn’t realize how bad my form was until after I recorded myself. Thanks for the tips.
Really love how much of a "team" vibe prodigy really has. Are there any team events? Like top 5 from each major disc company battle for overall points.
Been buying prodigy since I first started. Learned about disc 4 years ago in Edmonton Canada. But when covid hit I went hard in the paint. I'm now on a 15 month streak of each day at least some disc golf. My first driver was a D2 (Uber noob move 😂😂). But now I can rip it over if I'm not careful haha. I bag prodigy because of Orum and Jones. Hope to meet y'all one day. Hi from Calgary, Alberta 🤠
Those are some great tips for all levels of player. Thanks guys. One correction is that it is still summer until September 21 but I am sure it feels and looks like fall in Vermont. Thanks again to three of my favorite disc golfers.
If you want to know if you're leaning forward, try throwing on wet grass. If your front foot slips out in front of you just before the release, you're NOT leaning forward. Oh and by the way, this is a good way to injure your knee...I do it all the time :P
Conserning Seppo’s pro tip: How much does it affect your drive momentum when you spin on your heel after you drive to that if you spin on your ball of your foot (päkiä in finnish)
I'm not seppo but I dont think it takes that much off the shot, if anything. I think rotating on the heel is more just to protect your knee. Moves the twisting pressure from the knee to the hip joint.
@@colemichels4659 As you said, it doesn't really affect your distance or power that much, it's mostly just what you're comfortable with. However though, I would recommend rotating on the heel if you've experienced any knee/leg pain.
I also think, if your listen to what seppo is saying, he is telling you to stay behind the plant foot, which puts his body angle on his heel. On the ball of your foot and you are to far a head of your plant foot in your timing. A true pro tip fr seppo.
Well the only actual disc golf shop near me is “208 discs” the owner is sponsored by DD so that’s pretty much all they carry along with innova of course. 208 discs has a Facebook page with contact info
Yeah, he isn't the best teacher. But he can throw bombs! I made a comment about his tip in the main comment section. Check it out and let me know what your thoughts and viewpoints are
I have one Prodigy disc. The H4. I wanted to try what Prodigy has to offer. The thing glides like a rock, is overstable like Firebird but if it flips, it burns to the ground. Did I just buy the worst disc of their line up? It's almost comically bad.
The Hybrids seem to dump super hard for me as well, except for my H4 V2 which has a slight turn for me. But maybe I don't have enough speed to throw them yet. I would recommend trying their Fairways and mids, mainly because I rely on them lol.
eminence that’s why Prodigy made a re- tooled version of H4, the H4v2 (Version 2). The old version didn’t work very good but you should try the retooled version. It’s amazing ✌🏼
I have bag full of Prodigy and this is my first season into Disc Golf doesn't have any problems with any Hybrids. Max distance with hybrids atm is around 320 - 330 ft.
Matty O is a really unique player but I think his tip is either badly explained or simply wrong. He has a unique throwing style that I don't think anyone would recommend. The during the reach back its pivotal that you do not close the angle between shoulder and chest past 90 degrees. Calling it a reach back is a bit of a misnomer, truly its more precise to call it a straightening. In all actuality, your reach back should be simply straightening your arm from the elbow joint.
I know this og comment is 2 years old, but if anyone reads it, I want them to see my opinion too. Iv thought a lot about this and analyzed a TON of pro throws. Ezra aderhold is a perfect example of what you're talking about. (He has effortless form and bombs 600+ feet throws.) He is able to keep that 90 degree box corner between his right arm bicep and his chest while going into and coming out of his "power pocket". However, other dlbig distance players (Rickey, drew gibson, even Paul mcbeth) don't have a perfect 90. Seppo and Ricky are proof that the "reach back" does not need to be directly back, locked arm, deep, etc. What matters most is after the reach back (side note: It should even be called a reach back. It's not actively reaching back. More like reaching "out". Maybe not reaching at all, your arm should be fairly loose, not actively pushing the disc to a specific location. You put the disc on the line, and then just leave it there as your body moves and sets up the throw to pull the fisc from where you left it. Your body pulls the disc, not only your arm.) Anyways, there needs to be lag in the disc (the disc not moving from its spot even though your body is moving), allowing time for energy from your feet and hips to transfer up and through your body, eventually being released with the disc. There has to be disc lag. Every single pro has disc lag on power shots. The knees turn, then the hips turn, and then the upper body turns/ rotates before the disc starts moving forward at all. As the chest is rotating toward the target a slip second before the arm and disc begin to rotate, the 90 degree angle will dissappear. It becomes more like a 70 degree angle (and in a lot of these players reach back, the elbow never locks like seppo, Ricky, and even Paul if you look close. It does lock in others like Simon and Anthony berella) As long as you can create some kind of lag in the disc, and the disc is far enough in front of your body that you are not rounding, you don't have to have a deep reach back, a locked elbow reach back, or even a straight reach back (like Paul and drew do more of a wide rail style where the disc goes out away from their chest come into their body a little off its original line, then travels away from their body really quickly toward the release of the disc, back to its original line. Its line makes kind of a check mark shape instesd of a straight line). I like what you said about the elbow joint, that's a good thing to focus on. But it's wrong to say you need a 90 degree angle in the reach back. Most of the pros look like they have a 90, but if you watch a super slo mo of their power drives, most have a 70-80 degree power pocket angle. Matty simply just starts with that angle. So does seppo and Ricky (all of them throw over 600.) I think it depends on body type. Focusing on having a 90 degree angle has been known to make you start to pull the disc across the chest to help get power. You don't need specific power pocket angles. As long as you have disc lag and you're not rounding, you're golden.
For those confused about Mattys tip (he is not the best teacher...!), here's an easier way to understand what he is saying: The biggest problem he sees people do is in the reach back. They SHOULD be able to reach the disc out/back, away from your body and across the chest slightly, and lock the arm in that position relative to your body. Your hips can still be paralell to the target. The upper body moves as one, coiling/turning away from the target while the hips stay fairly parallel to the target. The upper body and arm move as one because the arm is locked into place. The body and throwing arm become one in this position (the reach back), so if one rotates, the other rotates with it. The benefit of doing this is you will have better timing. If everything rotates together because the arm is locked into that position relative to the chest, there is only one motion you are trying to time. The energy from your hips can more easily travel up your body and out your arm/hand/disc. When things rotate in proper timing, the power can travel more efficiently through the body. What most people do is "over rotate" the hips and upper body away from the target. Even their feet end up pointed backwards, away from the target. Their throwing arm shoulder rotates forward away from the chest to help get the disc further away. Because everything has over rotated, the hips now have to turn more, the upper body has to turn more, the shoulder has to rotate back into place (4:53 pause to see) while the upper body is turning, and you have to just hope everything happens at the perfect time. Everything is moving independsntly of each other. When you ever rotate and have a straight arm reach back eith an over rotsted shoulder, you end up using your arms triceps to pull the disc toward the target as your upper body rotstes, and thats not good. (Because the arm is not locked in place with the body, "pulling" the disc with your arm is the only way for you to feel power in your arm and disc. Compare this to locking the arm in place. Now everytikr you turn your upper body, thr disc moves with the same force. Which is more powerful, you whole upper body, or 1 tricep?) When you ever rotate and do thid straight reach back, the energy generated by your hips is being lost, so you have to generate your own energy (pulling with your arm) You don't want the arm and disc to fall behind, so you actively pull it to the "power pocket" in front of your chest, and now have to hope you did this at the right time and speed so the disc will rip out of your hand at the same time as the little energy that does make it up your body from three and hips. Many people think a deeper, stiff arm or straight arm reach back is necessary, even if they think they are "relaxing their arm" It is not. Many think a 90 degree power pocket is necessary. It is not. These thoughts will make you over rotate and lose all power, timing, and accuracy. This is what I think he is saying
It's my boi Seppo!
Turns on captions: "Alright folks it's your boy simplify here" :D
You already know what time it is when you hear "Alrighty Folks!"
Seppo's tip really clicked with me, I went out yesterday and really focused on keeping my head back and BAMM! my brace was way better and I was overthrowing holes I have never been able to reach before. :-)
Anybody hating on Matty O's form is nuts. The dude bombs! Everybody has seen the standard by-the-book form videos, I thought it was dope to see his technique. Especially that slomo. I never really understood how he could generate power from such a compact upper body during his run up. Nice video!
@bruce wayne
Yes! Many people do not get what he is trying to teach (send to be fair he isn't a great teacher in this video haha) I love his form though. Very unique, but he still throws bombs. I made a comment about it in the original comment section. Check it and and let me know what you think
Kevins tip was huge for me, because I didn't realize just how much Hyzer he throws on.
Me too, but I'm his girlfriend!
Great tips from your boy Seppo, Kevin, and Matt. Team Prodidgy keeps these helpful tips coming.
I learned a lot right there by all 3 of you. I'm saving this so I can watch it before my next round. Thanks!
Love the tips guys. Extremely good advice and really easy to understand. I dont even throw prodigy but this team is becoming my favorite just from the good vibes and communication.
Seppo, thank you. That's what I needed.
Love Seppos form....he loads up and boom!
Thanks so much for this video Seppo. That’s exactly what I’ve been doing, leaning forward through my pull and after the release. Didn’t realize how bad my form was until after I recorded myself. Thanks for the tips.
Seppo's tip really hit home for me. That's the 1 flaw I've had left to fix. Thank you so much!
Nice work guys! Tear it up out there!
#TEAMPRODIGY
Really love how much of a "team" vibe prodigy really has.
Are there any team events? Like top 5 from each major disc company battle for overall points.
nope not team sport besides for doubles
@@brian6speed They have the Presidents cup.
That is an awesome idea. Also World Team Disc Golf Championships right?
Same with discmania. They are a bunch of friends playing discgolf basically
Keep em coming please. Love it!
More videos like this please! Love this content!!
Fantastic Stuff. Keep 'em coming!
Go Seppoooo! And you two other dudes too.
Been buying prodigy since I first started. Learned about disc 4 years ago in Edmonton Canada. But when covid hit I went hard in the paint. I'm now on a 15 month streak of each day at least some disc golf. My first driver was a D2 (Uber noob move 😂😂). But now I can rip it over if I'm not careful haha. I bag prodigy because of Orum and Jones. Hope to meet y'all one day. Hi from Calgary, Alberta 🤠
I see ya CC!! Awesome video!!
Those are some great tips for all levels of player. Thanks guys. One correction is that it is still summer until September 21 but I am sure it feels and looks like fall in Vermont. Thanks again to three of my favorite disc golfers.
how on earth could you put an end date for a season? it's all about the average temperature and so on.
These guys are my favorite team
great stuff but been trying to do this for 17 yrs and still arm it almost always lol. Great job guys!
No wonder You guys are so good
great tips and things to work on
Loved the video. I need more info about Kevin talking about the " flippy Disk ". What disc exactly? Why that disk? What are the flight numbers?
Did Kevin create the silky beat playing in the background?
Chuki Beats 🤑
Great tips thanks guys 👍
Great Tips guys ... Matty O's tip really hits home for me. Thanks
What did he say? I didnt get it :D
@@PImmaluffelum look at the main comment section, I made a comment about his tip that I hope might help clarify what he's getting at.
Nice tips, thanks!
Fantastic!!
New England disc is life! should see Maine courses
Well done!
My first ace was on that extreme hyzer with a 137 blizzard boss in a wind storm! Lol.
Cole Michels that basket became your Boss’s employee after that!
ty mr simplify your
this music was dope. I would love to send music to you guys
If you want to know if you're leaning forward, try throwing on wet grass. If your front foot slips out in front of you just before the release, you're NOT leaning forward. Oh and by the way, this is a good way to injure your knee...I do it all the time :P
Conserning Seppo’s pro tip: How much does it affect your drive momentum when you spin on your heel after you drive to that if you spin on your ball of your foot (päkiä in finnish)
Yy
I'm not seppo but I dont think it takes that much off the shot, if anything.
I think rotating on the heel is more just to protect your knee. Moves the twisting pressure from the knee to the hip joint.
@@colemichels4659 As you said, it doesn't really affect your distance or power that much, it's mostly just what you're comfortable with. However though, I would recommend rotating on the heel if you've experienced any knee/leg pain.
If you spin over the ball of your feet, "posterior shin splints therapy" is the thing you will be googling.
I also think, if your listen to what seppo is saying, he is telling you to stay behind the plant foot, which puts his body angle on his heel. On the ball of your foot and you are to far a head of your plant foot in your timing. A true pro tip fr seppo.
Thanks guys! No local (to me) shops carry prodigy discs, but I picked some up on infinite discs and I’m loving them
Glad you're loving the discs! We'd love to know the names of your local shops so we can reach out and try and some Prodigy on their shelves.
Well the only actual disc golf shop near me is “208 discs” the owner is sponsored by DD so that’s pretty much all they carry along with innova of course. 208 discs has a Facebook page with contact info
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Knowledge.
Matt O wasn’t the best teacher but what he said was very impactful
Yeah, he isn't the best teacher. But he can throw bombs! I made a comment about his tip in the main comment section. Check it out and let me know what your thoughts and viewpoints are
So KJ showed us a hyzer flip and then 2 spike hyzers 🤙
4:38 that accent. Had no clue
Not sure I fully compute Matty-O's tip.
He has a very unique style. I would not recommend his tip at all.
I didn't either at first. Had to watch it a few times before I got it. I made a comment about it, check it out in the main comment section.
Heyy did anyone notice charlie lol ... ohh yeah great tips
Surprised Matty O's type was just Roll Tide!
I have one Prodigy disc. The H4. I wanted to try what Prodigy has to offer. The thing glides like a rock, is overstable like Firebird but if it flips, it burns to the ground. Did I just buy the worst disc of their line up? It's almost comically bad.
The Hybrids seem to dump super hard for me as well, except for my H4 V2 which has a slight turn for me. But maybe I don't have enough speed to throw them yet. I would recommend trying their Fairways and mids, mainly because I rely on them lol.
eminence that’s why Prodigy made a re- tooled version of H4, the H4v2 (Version 2). The old version didn’t work very good but you should try the retooled version. It’s amazing ✌🏼
H4 should not be overstable, so I'm guessing the Archer might be more at fault here than the arrow.
I have bag full of Prodigy and this is my first season into Disc Golf doesn't have any problems with any Hybrids. Max distance with hybrids atm is around 320 - 330 ft.
I have no idea what Matty-O was trying to explain to me...
you stand there and just
I made a comment about it in the main comment section. He's not the best teacher but hopefully what I wrote makes more sense.
Matty-Os swing is unique, let me tell you.😅
Do you wish you were someone's "boi"?
Matty O is a really unique player but I think his tip is either badly explained or simply wrong. He has a unique throwing style that I don't think anyone would recommend. The during the reach back its pivotal that you do not close the angle between shoulder and chest past 90 degrees. Calling it a reach back is a bit of a misnomer, truly its more precise to call it a straightening. In all actuality, your reach back should be simply straightening your arm from the elbow joint.
How many A-Tiers have you won?
I know this og comment is 2 years old, but if anyone reads it, I want them to see my opinion too. Iv thought a lot about this and analyzed a TON of pro throws.
Ezra aderhold is a perfect example of what you're talking about. (He has effortless form and bombs 600+ feet throws.) He is able to keep that 90 degree box corner between his right arm bicep and his chest while going into and coming out of his "power pocket".
However, other dlbig distance players (Rickey, drew gibson, even Paul mcbeth) don't have a perfect 90. Seppo and Ricky are proof that the "reach back" does not need to be directly back, locked arm, deep, etc. What matters most is after the reach back (side note: It should even be called a reach back. It's not actively reaching back. More like reaching "out". Maybe not reaching at all, your arm should be fairly loose, not actively pushing the disc to a specific location. You put the disc on the line, and then just leave it there as your body moves and sets up the throw to pull the fisc from where you left it. Your body pulls the disc, not only your arm.)
Anyways, there needs to be lag in the disc (the disc not moving from its spot even though your body is moving), allowing time for energy from your feet and hips to transfer up and through your body, eventually being released with the disc. There has to be disc lag. Every single pro has disc lag on power shots.
The knees turn, then the hips turn, and then the upper body turns/ rotates before the disc starts moving forward at all. As the chest is rotating toward the target a slip second before the arm and disc begin to rotate, the 90 degree angle will dissappear. It becomes more like a 70 degree angle (and in a lot of these players reach back, the elbow never locks like seppo, Ricky, and even Paul if you look close. It does lock in others like Simon and Anthony berella)
As long as you can create some kind of lag in the disc, and the disc is far enough in front of your body that you are not rounding, you don't have to have a deep reach back, a locked elbow reach back, or even a straight reach back (like Paul and drew do more of a wide rail style where the disc goes out away from their chest come into their body a little off its original line, then travels away from their body really quickly toward the release of the disc, back to its original line. Its line makes kind of a check mark shape instesd of a straight line).
I like what you said about the elbow joint, that's a good thing to focus on. But it's wrong to say you need a 90 degree angle in the reach back. Most of the pros look like they have a 90, but if you watch a super slo mo of their power drives, most have a 70-80 degree power pocket angle. Matty simply just starts with that angle. So does seppo and Ricky (all of them throw over 600.) I think it depends on body type.
Focusing on having a 90 degree angle has been known to make you start to pull the disc across the chest to help get power. You don't need specific power pocket angles. As long as you have disc lag and you're not rounding, you're golden.
I made a comment about his tip in the main comment section, check it out and let me know what your thoughts and view points are!
For those confused about Mattys tip (he is not the best teacher...!), here's an easier way to understand what he is saying:
The biggest problem he sees people do is in the reach back. They SHOULD be able to reach the disc out/back, away from your body and across the chest slightly, and lock the arm in that position relative to your body. Your hips can still be paralell to the target. The upper body moves as one, coiling/turning away from the target while the hips stay fairly parallel to the target. The upper body and arm move as one because the arm is locked into place. The body and throwing arm become one in this position (the reach back), so if one rotates, the other rotates with it.
The benefit of doing this is you will have better timing. If everything rotates together because the arm is locked into that position relative to the chest, there is only one motion you are trying to time. The energy from your hips can more easily travel up your body and out your arm/hand/disc.
When things rotate in proper timing, the power can travel more efficiently through the body.
What most people do is "over rotate" the hips and upper body away from the target. Even their feet end up pointed backwards, away from the target.
Their throwing arm shoulder rotates forward away from the chest to help get the disc further away. Because everything has over rotated, the hips now have to turn more, the upper body has to turn more, the shoulder has to rotate back into place (4:53 pause to see) while the upper body is turning, and you have to just hope everything happens at the perfect time. Everything is moving independsntly of each other. When you ever rotate and have a straight arm reach back eith an over rotsted shoulder, you end up using your arms triceps to pull the disc toward the target as your upper body rotstes, and thats not good. (Because the arm is not locked in place with the body, "pulling" the disc with your arm is the only way for you to feel power in your arm and disc. Compare this to locking the arm in place. Now everytikr you turn your upper body, thr disc moves with the same force. Which is more powerful, you whole upper body, or 1 tricep?)
When you ever rotate and do thid straight reach back, the energy generated by your hips is being lost, so you have to generate your own energy (pulling with your arm) You don't want the arm and disc to fall behind, so you actively pull it to the "power pocket" in front of your chest, and now have to hope you did this at the right time and speed so the disc will rip out of your hand at the same time as the little energy that does make it up your body from three and hips.
Many people think a deeper, stiff arm or straight arm reach back is necessary, even if they think they are "relaxing their arm" It is not. Many think a 90 degree power pocket is necessary. It is not. These thoughts will make you over rotate and lose all power, timing, and accuracy.
This is what I think he is saying