Greg Maddux vs. Tony Gwynn...wait until the end! LOL
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- čas přidán 12. 01. 2024
- Legends face off: Greg Maddux vs. Tony Gwynn.
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341 batting average against Cy young winners is absolutely insane
He was my favorite hitter. I did everything I could to hit like he did. I only missed it by .340 lifetime (in high school and college) LOL:)
@@tspot816 ....me too. Lol. Im a lifelong Orioles fan but grew up in the 80s and 90s and always was amazed by Tony Gwynn. On another post here I mentioned that Tony Gwynn was a career .321 batter when he had 2 strikes against him. That is pure insanity. It didn't help a pitcher to get ahead of the count against Tony because he put up hall of fame batting average numbers with 2 strikes against him over his career. To put that in perspective....Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Stan Musial and all the other legendary players didn't even finish with a career .250 with 2 strikes. Ted Williams had the highest career average when he was behind the count at .233.... Which is still amazing in its own right when you figure that works out to getting a hit 25% of the time when you already have 2 strikes against you. I don't think I know of any stat in all of sports that is more clutch then Tony Gwynn being almost 90 points higher then Ted Williams and over 100 points higher then other legends in that situation.
@@patrickbrinkmeier1858 Facts! Another way to say it is that with any other batter that got close to .400, I always thought, "Aw, too bad, he was close." With Gwynn, I still absolutely can't believe he didn't hit .400 multiple seasons! It's an injustice, LOL! He was just that good.
Gwynn had a .338 lifetime BA, amazing during any era, but to do something like that today, with the differences in pitchers and pitching strategies, it's even more incredible.
Tony had a career batting average of .415 against Greg Maddux and Greg would get peeved if he was warming up in the bullpen before a game and he heard fans yelling "Hey, Maddux, Gwynn owns you!" I know, I was one of the fans yelling this!
That was a classy line from Maddux.
Absolutely
It was a compliment to Tony
@@shawnsbrooks Thanks for explaining that! Lol
@@jimbluebaugh6090 oh shit... I thought he said "cheesy"
Great!
It’s not fair to Tony is very funny to me. 😂
It really is. That made me lol
Maddux had some cocky to him... he was a competitor. So for him to say that was very humble.
To make it even: Tony Gwynn was the Greg Maddux of Hitting & Greg Maddux was the Tony Gwynn of Pitching.
That matchup itself is worth the price of admission.
Very classy, Greg Maddux. Thanks for being a part of Baseball when it was great!
Rest in peace, Tony Gywnn one of the best hitters of all time 🙏
Noooooooo
Absolutely, and the guy they showed on deck Ken Caminiti,is also no longer with us as well.
He only hit under .300 once, his rookie year. He made it look easy.
@@operasinger2126 I am a big dodger fan, but I always admired him
When did Tony Gywnn pass away? I remember how well Ted Williams thought of him. He loved Tony Gywnn. And imagine how low Ted’s stats are considering he left to fight in WW2 and then again in Korea. I don’t believe anyone could have touched him but he was patriot first. Tony had said he ready William’s book, “The Art of Hitting.” I am truly bummed out to hear this and Ken Caminetti too? What did they both die from? I’ve been a Cubs fan my whole life which if you never had a done anything until 2016, we were just absolute suckers for watching them all the years we did. So sad that two Great players died. 😅😊
These are two masters of their craft. I could watch this matchup everyday
I did during the 96-97 season as a season ticket holder.
The Braves rotation was crazy back then.
yeah best ever possibly, but thier offense was mediocra.... 🤷♂️ now great offense pitching mediocra🤣
@@joshsmith4512 Braves had a strong offense, especially between 1991 to 1995. Nixon, Sanders, McGriff, Justice, Gant, Peddleton. The Braves wasn't clutch enough in the world series.
@@jcpenny3606 well they sound have win in 91, but in most of those post seasons they were out matched offensively, even in 95 , which they won. they had good offense not great. those Yankee teams in the late 90s were better offensively. good not great.
@@joshsmith4512 Braves choked away the 1991 and 1996 world series. The other series were more understandable.
@@jcpenny3606 91 forsure... damn base running error...what a series though
I went early to the ballpark one day and got to see Tony Gwynn take BP. In his last turn in the cage, he hit a hard ground ball directly over the 3rd base bag. A line drive in the 5.5 hole, a line drive directly over second base, a screaming grounder through the 3.5 hole, a line drive that missed the 1st base bag by 8 inches, fair, and on the last pitch launched a line drive into the right field bleachers and he turned and walked out of the cage not even looking to see where the ball landed. I don’t care how far the home run guys hit them, that was the most amazing thing I ever saw in a BP format.
Tony Gwynn was so graceful at the plate. Was a pleasure to watch him in his prime.
Exactly, the truly elite batters in MLB history like Tony Gwynn, Ted Williams, Ty Cobb, etc were able to hit balls to specific areas of the field. Just making contact is hard enough... When you see the defense do a shift and you can intentionally drive the ball and put it in play where the fielders are not is a true generational talent.
“ intentionally drive the ball and put it in play where the fielders are not is a true generational talent.”
Boggs was another one of those. Truly impressive.
@@baseballsux2 . Indeed.. out of the 80s guys you had Boggs, Molitor, Murray, Brett, and Mattingly that were all great at that in addition to Tony. But Tony stood above them all. And I say that as a die hard O's fan who idolized Cal Ripken Jr.
“But Tony stood above them all.”
I certainly agree with that. And while those you mentioned were all great in their own right, Tony was in another level. But among tall the others, only Boggs came close to Gwynn. At least in terms of control of where he was hitting.
I think a lot of that had to do with how well aware they (Gwynn and Boggs) were if exactly where any specific pitch was on the plate. Where other had it down to inches, Boggs had it down to centimeters and Gwynn had it down to millimeters.
Ripken, Molitor, Mattingly, all greats with amazing plate awareness. But Boggs was on another level; while Gwynn was a step ahead of even Boggs.
The movement on Maddux's pitches was insane
No it represents sanity based on hard work and rational approaches
@@mickeydrago9401to think that is possible strikes most as the opposite of sane due to a lack of belief in self. To them it is truly insane.
@@DudeEggs
Greg Maddux is the most intelligent sane pitchers in baseball history. Matched by his Gold glove abilities.
His movement isn't that great as plenty of other pitchers have better stuff but don't do nearly as well. Because Greg is so good with placement and control. Not to mention his well thought out mixture of pitches
I'm just tired of this silly new youth word used incorrectly compared to the many decades before it when Insanity meant Bellevue, schizophrenia, straight jackets and medication.... Psychiatrists...
@@DudeEggsI think you and the other guy are taking OP's statement a hair too literally.
To be clear: not a literal hair
Of all the things I admire about Greg Maddux I admire most his humour and class.
💯
I love Greg Maddux, but if someone took a dump on my birthday cake, I think I wouldn't hang with that guy
@@mortson978Greg Maddux took a dump on someone’s birthday cake?
@@JoeBuck-uc3bl he did indeed
But also his baseball, lol
If all hitters were as good as Gwynn was, the rule would probably be 2 strikes you're out.
If all hitters were as good as Tony Gwynn, you wouldn't need a "shift rule".
Yes. 2 Legends facing off. A pure hitter vs. a pure pitcher.
Two of the greatest and classiest players ever! Greg Maddux 18 gold gloves 🐐. RIP Tony Gwynn!
And don't forget Maddux won 4 Cy Youngs in a row.
@@Mr-Angelo0U812 Oh I won't! My favorite player of all time. Only pitcher w over 300 Wins, 3000 Ks and under 1000 walks (999 exactly). When I get a dog I'm naming him Maddux!
Had it not been for the strike shortening season, Tony would have had a .400 or better season.
@@brandocalrissian3294 He only had one 3 strikeout game in his entire career and never had more than 40 in a season. Batted .341 against the 25 Cy Young pitchers he faced. The best pure contact hitter of all time.
Grew up watching these guys play the game before analytics destroyed the game! Pitchers still pitched complete games and BA was the important stat not WAR something the people who made it up can't explain what it means 😅
"that damn Tony Gwynn". Everyone has their nemesis, but Tony was everyone's. But a ground ball was exactly what Maddux wanted, he pitched to contact.
You don't throw a 78 pitch complete game by striking everybody out...ergo...Strikeouts are for suckers who just want to waste time 😂
and Tony hit for contact.
Tony was one of the best ground ball hitters. Ever heard of the 5.5 hole? That's why Maddux went away, away, away, and away. It took a great play by Galarraga to get the out and keep the runner on 2nd from scoring.
Any talk about baseball in the 80's and 90's who would you start your team with these two guys were right at the top.
341 is special, but with 25 cy young winners...damn 😅
Greatest hitter I have ever seen in my personal lifetime (now 54 yrs old).
I agree. Although, Ichiro is right there with him!
@@CreepyJoeMustGo
He's a bit below but I think it's only because his MLB record is shifted 5 years too old, starting at 27 and ending at 45. (His last 7 years lowered his overall batting average)!
So if he was in America 5 years earlier I think he could have easily matched or exceeded Tony Gwynn's career record
...nine NPB seasons in Japan, Suzuki had 1,278 hits, a . 353 career batting average. So even though in Japan that could have translated into better than Tony Gwynn numbers in USA... But I'm not sure how well he would have done at 18! More than likely Major League baseball wouldn't have taken him until he was at least 20, but he might have been an exception! He was exceptional!
Same.. ichiro also to be fair
Imagine how much more praise Tony Gwynn would have gotten if he played in a major market.
I don't agree
@@danielrice7234And I agree with you-Tony Gwynn would have gotten praise no matter where he played. I honestly thought Maddux was going to strike out Gwynn.
Everyone in MLB and anyone who followed baseball was well aware of the greatness of Tony Gwynn despite playing in SD.
@@KevinMiller-xn5vuGwynn never struck out against Maddux which is crazy. If I remember correctly, he only struck out 3 times in his career vs Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz combined.
I know.
Greg was just that good... His 2 seam was straight up NASTY!
The most humble man in sports. A person to emulate both on and off the field. May his legacy live on forever.
What a great compliment and comeback.
What a lethal 1-2 punch, Gwynn consistently getting on base and Caminiti juiced up to drive him in
Both now dead.
That top 4 of Gwynn, Fernandez, Sheffield, and McGriff may have been best in baseball that year. No one wanted to start the night off against those 4.
Such an amazing time in baseball. Two giants at their respective positions/crafts. 🙏💯🔥
The 90’s was great for all sports! Baseball was so exciting back then. The critics can say what they will but those crazy HR races were GREAT for the game. It was so entertaining back then.
@@nickolaslewis4416 without a doubt, for me was the 300vg hitters. There where so many, now it's the 200 avg club with a 40 homers
If there is a player that examplifies the linedrive-hitting approach that has virtually vanished in MLB, it's Tony Gwynn. This guy considered hitting bombs in BP a failure, cause he felt it messed up his swing.
Tell that to today's players of which most resemble the players on Arcade game of those years....
Luis Arraez is a lot like Gwynn.
@@lethalus3494 Back in the day, contact-hitting was a more widespread and respected approach to/ability of hitting. Carew, Rose, Gwynn, Boggs, Butler, Lofton, Ichiro to name a few. Nowadays, guys like Arraez are unicorns.....
@@rudivanrooijen7611 oh yeah no doubt the game has changed more towards power I wasn't arguing you. Was just saying Arraez reminds me of Gwynn w the bat just not quite the all around player. It's similar to how the NBA went from post up/mid-range ball to the 3 pointer. NFL went from running the ball way more often to throwing it all the time. Sports evolve it is interesting!
@@lethalus3494I liked play in the big leagues more when teams had different philosophies, Whitey's Cardinals, Weaver's Orioles, Martin's Yankees, Kuenn's 'Brewers, Anderson's Tigers, Johnson's Mets, Cox's Braves. No doubt the level of play of today is higher, but MLB has also changed into more of an arcade version of itself. But hey, I guess I'm just getting old......
@@rudivanrooijen7611 I can see that side of things. The overall game has changed but each team still has there own unique DNA. And some teams do still rely on small-ball contact, speed and defense like the Cleveland Guardians. But at the end of the day HRs are exciting and they score runs which is how you win! More of a feast or famine league now but it isn't necessarily a bad thing it just sucks how many injuries occur nowadays.
Best contact hitter if all time
Let's just say "one of the greatest". You're not accounting for the history of baseball you've never watched.
@@strkeout fair enough...
Worst contact hitter ever
Pete Rose and Ichiro have an argument for that title but Gwynn is definitely in the conversation
Ever hear of Ted Williams? @mmarocker
2 of the GREATS !!!!
Yep. Both were so smart and intense.
Greatest hitter of the last 50 years
With 8 batting titles...he's the BEST hitter in the history of baseball/ML
I’ll take Barry
Barry who? Barry Larkin? He was great....but Gwynn was much much better!
@@enriqueelpiquemedina2665 haha. Correct. I like Barry Larkin better then Barry Steroid
Ichiro deserves an honourable mention
Ken Caminiti on deck...
R.I.P. to him and Tony
Funny how we put such emphasis on speed these days. Imagine the rpm on some of those bugs bunny changeups and two seamers Maddux threw smh. And don’t get me started with Gwynn, they don’t build em like that anymore at the plate.
Yep, spin is more important than speed. If you have both though, forget about it. But if you want one vs the other, spin is more important, within reason.
@@dthorne4602 I always tell people, Pedro Martinez was 5’10 max, but he could hold 4 baseballs with one hand.
Wade Boggs was like that, too, the AL version of Tony. Bill Madlock was also a similar hitter, sort of a forgotten guy, the only non-HOFer to win 4 batting titles.
If they'd kept Boggs hitting coach in Boston he'd have even more impressive batting statistics
TGwynn was an awesome hitter! LB represent!!!!
Amazing hitter... Gwynne was incredible
My favorite hitter and pitcher growing up
If Strider could learn that 2 seamer, he would be unhittable
Gwynn simply tortured Maddux. I guess every pitcher has that one hitter they can't get out all that often.
And Tony was that one hitter for many pitchers.
Can you imagine this matchup in the bottom of the 9th of a World Series game 7 with the bases loaded…that would’ve literally been a movie!!
Couple of legends! Both of them were "quintessential" ball players
Two great MLB players, it was an honor to have watched them play the game of ⚾️...
Can you imagine his average in the shift game? Unlike today's hitters, Tony could hit to all fields, he was awesome!
How would you shift against Gwynn? To pull? He would make use of the entire left side. To push? He'd pull it. He had such an understanding and command of hitting that trying to shift against him would only help him.
@@ahoneybee823 My point exactly!!
@@pwd1679 If that level of shifting were a thing in 94, he'd have hit well over .400
@@ahoneybee823 easily!
Rest in peace Tony gwynn the best of the best hitter of all time...
Tony Gwynn was one of the greatest contact hitters of all time. Rod Carew was also one of the best I ever watched.
This guy is a true hitter sheeesh he was too good
I actually watched that at bat. Tony was a savage. Seeing him up against Greg was epic. Both fellas were just unstoppable. Great stuff.
Maddux has always been so gracious. I hear matchups were so fun to watch. Legends doing legendary things.
Tony left us too soon. I could listen to him talk baseball for hours. Such a nice dude too.
Best hitter in my life, Ichiro was excellent as well.
Griffey jr had "the sweetest swing I've ever seen"
Maddox (355 wins), Glavine (305 wins) and Smoltz (213 wins) were three of the best pitchers in baseball all on the same team.
Steve Avery was no slouch either
Two of the best ever. To be able to watch them oppose each other is exceptionally special to see.
Maddox, Glavin, and Smoltz what a line up.
My goodness, Tony Gwynn was a different breed of ball player.
Tony the Accountant Gwynn was an absolutely amazing hitter.
Gregg was unbelievable n what a guy
Maddux is still painting the corners with a masterful reply in respect to Tony G. I want to go back in time. RIP Tony Gywnn.
This was the great thing about being stationed in the navy in San Diego. Getting to watch Tony Gwynn play baseball.
I love that Greg and Tony were able to be teammates towards the end. Two all-time greats 👍
Both were just incredible to watch. RIP, Mr. Qwynn.
A total baller quote from Greg
2 of the best baseball players that ever lived!!!
By far the best hitter I have seen in my lifetime. RIP Tony. You were so much fun to watch.
Gary Thorne on the call here. Miss hearing him.
His voice was more suitable for the NHL playoffs imo
Two of the best at each side. Great contact hitter and best placement pitcher! Loved this
I love the conversation Gwynn had with Ted Williams where they discussed the smell of the burn of the bat when you hit it just right.... I apparently never hit a ball that hard
Greg Maddux with the best circle change ever seen. Love that dude.
Tony and Greg were two reasons 90s baseball was so much fun
that dude had a stellar sense of humor 😂
The end 😂😂 both were the best at what they did fun to watch
Hacksaw just has that chill personality. He’d be awesome to talk to, you can tell
Tony and Greg …the best and the best facing each other. We didn’t know what we were watching.
The look on Maddox face just before the third pitch you knew it was going to be greasy😂
Tony Gwynn and Greg Maddux were something else.
Damn that chant horn sounded lit back then
Damn. Thats serious honesty. His stock went up to a large degree with that response.
Tony Gwynn is one of the most underrated athletes in any sport of the modern era. He’s like the Tim Duncan of Baseball, where everyone knows he’s a star, but they don’t fully appreciate how great he was because he never made splashy plays or hit a lot of HRs.
Tony gwynn was such a pure hitter. So smart at the plate. Had the vision to see everything
It's not fair to Tony.
Greatness in the flesh displays humility and admiration for a rival competitor.....
How do you not get romantic about baseball.....
For you younger people that didn't see Greg maddux pitch, you missed out on a legend. It was like watching a robot. Although he did lose me a lot of money in the mid-90s. He would pitch 8 innings and give up one run, but the braves would lose. With him pitching the odds would be so high. Him and Pedro Martinez were insane
Imagine if Tony Gwynn played in today's era.
2 of the THOUSANDS of incredible ball players from back in the day
Two masters of their craft. Both were amazing
"Mad Dawg" Maddux!!! Thanks for the memories my guy!!!
Maddux was the best pitcher in baseball since 1920.
If you put Cy Young into the game of Maddux' time, he might have won 250 games. He was seriously out of shape and didn't have to worry about home runs.
Maddux in Cy Young's time might well have won 750 to 800 games. The only flaw in his game was his pickoff move, which wasn't a big problem since getting to first against him was so difficult. Gwynn might have batted .430 himself. If he could bat .330 lifetime against 1980s-1990s fastballs, he would have eaten the 65-75 mph junk from the deadball era alive. He was the Cy Young of hitting, not the Greg Maddux.
Thank you for the Cami sighting!
Got the pleasure to see him play many times while living in San Diego and it was a treat to see him bat, one of the best contact hitters ever.
I saw Hershiser strike him out as a kid. Never will forget.
Yeah, seeing Gwynn strike out was a rare event that when it happened, I was like, wow, that pitcher just struck out one of the best pure contact hitters of all time😮.
I loved growing up watching Smoltz, Maddux, Glavine, and even Rocker on the mound.
That change up he missed was just sick!
Anonthy Keith Gywnn Sr was my favorite player to watch. I was privileged to watch him play in San Diego his whole career.
Bona-fide HOF PLAYERS. THEY WERE A PLEASURE TO WATCH .
Gwynn was such a player…I’m glad I had the privilege to watch his entire career….RIP!
Gwinn was one of my favorite hitters. A pure get in base batter. Nothing fancy, no big swings for home runs. Loved it
All of Tony's stat lines are insane. There are multiple players in the modern era that strike out more in a season than Tony did in his entire career. That dude was something special to watch. RIP to Mr Padre.
I loved watching Tony Gwynn play all those years in San Diego. One of my treasured possessions is a Rawlings T.G. model mitt that he signed.
I stopped watching MLB when he was ignored by them at the All-Star game after his passing.
I bet a lot pitchers said I almost got him. 😂😂😂😂
Tony Gwynn was so graceful at the plate. Was a pleasure to watch him in his prime.
Two class acts. Especially Tony G. Hard to find any like him in baseball today.
The two most methodical players i've ever seen
That was a very good question, but even a better answer. But let's not kid ourselves... That was one of the best comparisons I have ever heard in all my time following sports. You nailed it ✅
Greg was already getting the start of bags under his eyes in his latter years with Atlanta, wow. And now, whoa.
Miss those days ❤😊