These boys pulled myself and my then pregnant wife out of what was left of our truck about 5 years ago when we got hit by a drunk driver. Thank you for your service and God bless you.
A few things that as a firefighter stood out as some basic stuff, but we're key. 1) He started the saw before he started up the ladder. Hugely important because you need to ensure it's still working right before you're already up there. 2) He brought a halligan which shows he knows what he needs and brought it with him. Should always have a handtool. 3) On the cuts, he cut past what he already had cut a bit just to ensure a perfect cut. 4) I heard the radio saying that the Chief was doing a 360*. This is huge because it ensures everyones safety.
Not to call out or Monday morning quarterback this but something I just noticed. He walked to where he decided he wanted to vent and after barely sounding the roof after getting off the ladder he didnt sound at all upon approach to cut site. Then when done he stated to the other two that eventually joined later, "did you feel how spongy the roof was coming over here". Ist that the reason we sound in the first place, yes not being afraid and being aggressive is one thing but taking the extra few seconds to sound could make a difference in life!
Very impressive the way these FFs hustle, not easy wearing all that heavy gear! Every department should be like this! I'm not a FF but I certainly get the impression that these guys know exactly what they are doing - very experienced! First time I've seen vehicles that were not red, interesting...
It's always interesting watching how other agencies conduct ventilation vertical operations. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and as long as it gets done in a safe and efficient manner its always a job well done.
@@edloeffler9769Because most departments view vertical vent as a risky procedure..they don’t train on it nearly enough and it ends up becoming a foreign concept. Gas, smoke, and fire travels up…this is the easiest way to get the bad shit out while also giving the fire an exit to the outside world. Highly effective method but not taught enough. Springdale Fire Dept, Arkansas in the video did an outstanding job and shows just how simple it is. I know this is 9 years old but I’m sure it would still be done this way today if they were to encounter the same sort of structure.
Wow glad to see a Arkansas Firefighter on youtube. We liked your video and subscribed to your channel. We see you are on the Springdale Arkansas Fire Department. We are in Monticello Arkansas
I was browsing CZcams for ventilation videos to incorporate into my presentation for our rookie academy and came across this video, I'll definitely be using it, it's a great video to illustrate several safety concerns. Although the ventilation hole was accomplished it was unnecessary. I'm all for going on the roof to vent if it needs to be done, but throughout the video there was only minimal smoke production at best. The sawyer went onto the roof alone and didn't sound at all after the pathetic couple hits getting off the ladder. Anyone that has taken a basic firefighter academy knows that you don't knock off attic vents, it's been proven that they are more effective in place. Did he even know where the seat of the fire was or was he simply a moth-to-the-flame since he nearly sprinted to the only spot smoke was visible? I applaud his motivation to get the job done, but this video should by no means be something used to teach people how to perform arguably one of the most dangerous jobs in the fire service. I agree with the other comments about the depth guard, those are gimmicks. They give firefighters a false sense of security and you end up with what we saw here, no rafter rolling. If there was any significant amount of fire attacking those trusses he would have greatly increased the likelihood of falling through the roof because he just ripped through the rafters because his depth guard was set. Ventilation is a skill, you need to know what your saw is doing, hold it near vertical and push it through the work as fast as it will cut, by working the saw in this manner you'll feel the positive "hit" when you reach a rafter and you can then roll it. I won't get into the cut sequence as that may very well be his departments SOP, it isn't the IFSTA way, but IFSTA isn't the only one out there. Ok, let the hurt feelings reports fly!
David Rossman I have huge plans on going structure side, and this comment has taught me a lot more than I already knew, I already knew about sounding and the cutting but while watching I hadn’t seen that many safety concerns besides the lack of sounding on the roof until you pointed them out, thank you! I’ll be sure to remember this!
@@BrooksnHooks You don't get out much if you don't see the dangerous side of Vertical Venting. Too bad that not ONE of the CZcams training videos tells you how it actually works without saying "Heat Rises". czcams.com/play/PLkp0E1ao1XEy2uMomAtjWfScRFcCUmwwv.html
Physically I seen nothing wrong with his work. I don’t like that he was alone on the roof but we’ve all been this guy at some point so really I can’t complain. My confusion comes with before he gets on the ladder, did I hear him trying to confirm horizontal vent? Was he mixed up? Because he most def vertically ventilated the structure lol. Other than my own confusion, I have to say strong work!
Very well exicuted im sure theres some comment about going on the roof alone at first but i compleatly understand ya gotta do what ya gotta do sometimes staffing is tight!
Why after hearing horizontal ventilation over the radio so many times, did vertical still happen? They even said don't go on the roof please. That's the most polite IC I've ever heard. If you can stick your face over the hole after you cut, and you don't get any significant smoke production, there was no need to cut the hole right? The vent he knocked off was doing the same amount of good that his saw work did.
This was my video that I didnt post, my dept posted it and if you watch the unedited version interior calls for vertcle vent, command says horizontal and to get ON the roof, he just got the term backwards. Truck crew knew what needed done. No I am not anywhere close 2 perfect for you arm chair quarterback/safety police but job was done, I had fun and earned my pay for the day. Thanks 4 the positive comments.
That was beautiful! I love that Haligan/NY Talon Hook that thing is amazing! Plus he got that ladder up smooth even though it’s a 14 those little tosers can fall to the side quick. Those cuts were perfect. Outside Vent kicks ass!
On some of these home fires the majority of the damage is not from the fire itself but from that tactics used to put it out. Just about every window in the house busted out..holes cut in the roof for ventilation and ceilings pulled down to check for attic fire and last but not least, extensive water damage to the interior.
Video was edited, my helmet cam and fire attack called for vertical prior, command stated horizontal and get to the roof. Video also doesn't show my walk around post ladder deployment
If you can vent by popping a few Windows or ppv, go for it, but ya know what, I've been a fireman/Paramedic for 14 years. Any job you do where nothing else gets lost once we get there and all your guys go home is a job well done in my book. That's why we do a post-incident debriefing to see what we could have done differently. Good hustle, like my man said in a previous comment.
Is it standard SOP for your dept to climb to the roof with the saw turned on? We practice starting the saw at the foot of the ladder, then after establishing that she wills start, turn it off and restart once safely on the roof. Just curious. Good video.
We used to have that same policy. However, we figured why turn off a perfectly running saw only to try and re-start it in a hazardous environment (i.e.. pitched roof, smoke, dark, wet, etc.) so it was changed.
It's only a single story house, no need to waste time on the roof. If the saw is already started then you don't need to worry about any problems. Get on the roof cut it and get the fuck off no bullshitting.
Fire Academy student here, but a few things I noticed -Shouldn’t he have had his SCBA already on? -Not using 3 points of contact? Could have used beam/rail instead of grabbing rungs -No roof ladder for stability -Solo on the roof at first -Ladder not secure (tied off or heeled) -Climbing with a started saw. Yes to check it before climbing, but being taught to have it OFF climbing
Most of those academy rules are forgotten in the real world. I wouldn’t turn the saw off. Start it on the ground and hit the brake to climb. No reason to heel the ladder in dirt, just seat the feet good. Debatable, but for a walkable pitch like this, we rely on good sounding and skip the roof ladder. I agree on the scba, though.
Yeah your fresh out of fire 1 alright. Never heard of starting a saw on the roof, your always Gona be solo for a short time, if you’re the first one on the roof. Your not tying a 14 foot ladder to a single story of Roof, come onn. He did have his SCBA on just not his mask and that’s how it supposed to be, mask on scean. Don’t need a roof ladder for that type of pitch, and 3 points of contact? 2 feet 1 hand. That’s 3 buddy.
Short answer, yes. Some departments make their cuts differently however and each situation is dynamic. He did have a chain guard on his saw so he wouldn’t have blasted through them completely. It is best practice to weaken the rafters you’re walking on as little as possible though.
Nice job on the roof. I do wish more guys would wrap their hand around the rail, instead off having to take your hand off the ladder reaching for the next rung.
Ive got a question and please dont take offense. I asking this out of ignorance. But why does it take firefighters so long to do something. It just seems like they dont get in any hurry, stand around and talk alot and take forever just to get water going on the fire. Are they not really concerned about trying to save the structure and just more concerned about keeping it from spreading?
Lots of ways to get hurt, heavy gear and clumsy boots, heavy tools. People are out of the building. Work steady and smart, stay aware of the overall situation.
I don't think a roof cut was necessary in this situation; although, I wasn't there and I have no idea what you saw. The cut only lifted a light haze of smoke. Driver stopped a little short. Great job overall
Sounding a roof doesn't work, there are videos of firefighters sounding roofs right before they fall through it. Edges, Peeks and Valley. Stay on the edges and peeks and valleys, that's where the structural support is the beefiest. Good roof work, I like that this guy knows what a 4x4 hole is and started at the roof vent. Playing golf with the vent. FOUR
It's interesting that you can't find ONE video on VVing that shows it actually improving conditions inside. All they show is the COOL stuff like climbing on the roof of a burning building, cutting the hole and the ever popular, Flames pouring through the hole as the gasses are ignited by the gas movement and they turn a contents fire into a structural fire.
@@CH-fk5tk Depending on a lot of things. For one thing it does right, it does a hundred things wrong. It just is not worth it. UL tells you that if you want to listen for it in their teaching.
First off great hustle! See too many FF's walking around with no sense of urgency. Not here to bash but offer some constructive criticism as a 28 yr. FF. 1. Engine & Truck Co. need to communicate what they see and to cut or NOT cut (depending on the obvious) with light smoke showing. 2. Should be a minimum of 2-3 man operation depending on what's showing and size of structure. 3. Once on the roof, bouncing on your feet tells you a lot about the possible conditions under you. Sound the roof like you mean it all the way from the uninvolved to the involved where you'll cut. We use rubbish hooks. 4. Leave any ventilators in place. They're doing their job drawing out hot air. It took you 9 cuts to cut a single hole that should've taken only 4 cutting around that ventilator (plus those FF's had a heck of a time removing the wood). We do a top cut, two parallel cuts and a bottom cut while rolling the rafters. Get rid of the chainsaw guide but be disciplined to roll the rafters and NOT CUT through them. 5. Rubbish hooks are great pulling tools (as well as axes) and punching in ceiling. All Truckee's should have an axe on the roof. If that chainsaw fails that's your next cutting n pulling tool. Don't feel the halligan is a good roof tool IMO. Food for thought. If that house was well involved, would you have done the exact same thing? Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Stay safe and train like your life depends on it.
that ladder should have been placed on the charlie side if it was possible and should have had a roof ladder. Also should have been sounding that roof the entire walk not just around the top of the ladder. Also should have been on air before you climbed up. kinda hard to go on air while you're falling through a roof.
there was alot of good and alot of bad in this video. Starting off with jumping out of a moving apparatus, being alone on the roof. not masking up before roof ops, not sounding ahead. also I believe I heard a shit ton of horizontal vent confirmation soooo did he freelance and vertical vent instead? good was that he is not afraid, has great physical stamina, great ladder throw, brought tools, started saw before climbing, cuts were overlapping, vent complete in a short time frame
Austin Seigel yes but the thing is em when you vent you're giving all that heat and smoke and steam somewhere to go other than staying in the house with the firefighters on the line. You're making there life a lot easier when you vent
nicholas wells Yes, performing VV does remove some smoke and heat. Yet depending on the structure as the fire is given oxygen it allows the fire to spread throughout the structure making the temperature rise throughout the structure making the firefighters life harder and more dangerous.
No need for ventilation. Fire conditions didn’t warrant it. The hole took too long. The could be done quicker with an inspection cut and 2 8ft cuts inside the rafters. This way you at least cut through one full sheet of osb/plywood. Always bring at least a six foot hook to clear the ceiling (may vary depending on the pitch of the roof and hole location. Just my 2 cents.
I've watched a bunch of videos (no I'm not claiming to be an expert); but this is the first one that I've seen the roof crew knock that stupid vent cap off. I've literally watched a crew stand next to a turbine that was venting black smoke then flame while they cut a louver in the roof. Again, I'm not an expert, but if you're looking for a way to let heat and smoke out why not take the easy route like FF Johnson here did?
Why a halligan for roof tear off when they make tear off shovels. That big square you cut wouldn't have need to be cut up 3 more times. You could have pulled the whole thing in 30 seconds
Vertical ventilation is good to change deteriorating conditions. It can be used to stop backdrafts, flashovers, and smoke explosions. Overall, the position of the cut is over the area with the most smoke and at the highest point. The cut was efficient and the right size. It was a good cut. The smoke, to me, didn’t read like conditions that needed to be changed with vertical ventilation, but I wasn’t there. I have no idea what they were seeing inside. Putting a video up is basically asking for negative comments. I commend any department that is doing it to help others train.
Lol, as luck would have it, he caught the center of a rafter. Typical when you want it to go quick and routine, life shifts and inch or two to mess with ya....
I know in my department, the roof man only goes an air at his discretion. If you need to go on air bc conditions dictate it, you do, if not, you don't. I could definitely see the "what if" aspect of "what if the roof collapses and he falls in without a face piece on, no air, and helmet not secured.
Horizontal ventilation has nothing at alm to do with "checking for smoke" I thinks it's very evident that theres smoke when theres a fire... it's to ventilate...
he cut away from his egress, separating himself, also no smoke or fire came out of that vent whole- ruined the roof for nothing, his cut sequence/ direction was out order, the guys punching the roof in on the interior guys was a huge mistake, you should pull the roof ( shingles and plywood) up/out and remove it, only punch in the interior ceiling after notifying nozzle crew, coordination is huge. list goes on, guy didnt turn his bottle on until after he climb top the roof thats a red flag... also i think at this fire, horizontal ventilation using the windows would have done the job... this was a smack fest.
Matt Waters verticals ventilations job is to keep firefighters safe. I draws the fire away from the firefighters and victims marking it easier to put out. Also it clears the smoke out giving a better chance to victims inside the building.
Venation is to relieve the house of smoke and heat from the fire also, fire can spread more from the material it's burning on than the air being feed into it.
That’s what the belief of vertical ventilation is. The science says otherwise. The reality is that the smoke doesn’t actually lift from vent holes less than half the total surface area of the roof. The smoke appears to to lift, because the available smoke (fuel) actually ignites. The illusion is that smoke has lifted and the immediate heat from the hot smoke has been relieved. For a moment, the hot smoke has relieved as it’s not down to the floor, but the radiant heat rapidly increases due to the now ignited smoke. This is why the recommendation for coordinated ventilation is made. Coordinated means water on fire with control of fire before or shortly after ventilation with ventilation done opposite the travel path of crews. Again, it’s no different than breaking out a window, in that a window itself doesn’t vent enough smoke to clear visibility in a well involved room and contents, nor would a window sized hole in the roof. All that is actually happening is opening the flue to allow a hotter cleaner burn and reducing smoke as a result of the increased heat and burn.
These boys pulled myself and my then pregnant wife out of what was left of our truck about 5 years ago when we got hit by a drunk driver. Thank you for your service and God bless you.
Glad your safe
A few things that as a firefighter stood out as some basic stuff, but we're key.
1) He started the saw before he started up the ladder. Hugely important because you need to ensure it's still working right before you're already up there.
2) He brought a halligan which shows he knows what he needs and brought it with him. Should always have a handtool.
3) On the cuts, he cut past what he already had cut a bit just to ensure a perfect cut.
4) I heard the radio saying that the Chief was doing a 360*. This is huge because it ensures everyones safety.
Nicholas Sturgeon he also sounded the roof before he stepped on it
William Hershberger Well that was too obvious so he wouldn't fell in to the fire trough the roof
...you guys realize firefighters are trained right?
He made 5 cuts even though he knocked the vent off....
Kyle he cut the holes to make a bigger vent, that little hole wouldn’t have let out enough heat to help knock out the fire
Holy crap that was some smooth one man stuff . Sounded the roof and everything. Love it
Brace yourself, the safety police will soon be commenting. Great work and nice hustle
LOL! No kiddin.
John Mulinaro
Yours was easily the best and most correct comment of all.
Yep. There are always the critics. There is the book, and then there is real life.
Fk safety theres a job to be done
@@bobbobbington6498Do you understand risk management?
At least the home owner was way over due for a new roof
Noah Stoddert xD
I saw it and all I could think was well this ones not so good anymore.
Maybe install a couple of skylights now?
Dude when I saw those trucks I was like holy shit orange trucks
Ours are blue. Google them. Sugarcreek township ohio.
My departments are yellow
Chrome yellow actually
Loved how the firefighter set up the ground ladder quickly and everything else. Learned a lot from this video.
I thought he fell when he took off his helmet
Vinny Vlogs same
Masking up
same bro
He had to put his mask on.
Same
Not to call out or Monday morning quarterback this but something I just noticed. He walked to where he decided he wanted to vent and after barely sounding the roof after getting off the ladder he didnt sound at all upon approach to cut site. Then when done he stated to the other two that eventually joined later, "did you feel how spongy the roof was coming over here". Ist that the reason we sound in the first place, yes not being afraid and being aggressive is one thing but taking the extra few seconds to sound could make a difference in life!
3:13 the firefighter- me. The vent- my wife making my sandwich wrong (just a joke so chill)
Loved the beginning the way he got that ladder up that was smooth. Good work and luck and blessings to ya.
Local 4016 member here, good job brothers and truck on
10 years later.....................good work boys!
Horizontal ventilation, Chief?
Goes to the roof.
Well he asked whether the chief wanted horizontal or vertical and i'm imagining the Chief said "No vertical" but we just couldn't hear.
I like her just smacked the vent right off lol xD
LOL 😆
no wasted motions. Great work!
Thank you for all you do brother
Very impressive the way these FFs hustle, not easy wearing all that heavy gear! Every department should be like this! I'm not a FF but I certainly get the impression that these guys know exactly what they are doing - very experienced! First time I've seen vehicles that were not red, interesting...
ive learned so much just from watching this, great video! and great job!
It's always interesting watching how other agencies conduct ventilation vertical operations. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and as long as it gets done in a safe and efficient manner its always a job well done.
America G4 yeah. Watch lafd do vertical ventilation they have probably the safest and most effective ways of doing it.
Why would you compare it to skinning a cat?
@@njemergencychaser5508I thought I heard them call for HORIZONTAL ventilation, not verticle.
@@edloeffler9769Because most departments view vertical vent as a risky procedure..they don’t train on it nearly enough and it ends up becoming a foreign concept. Gas, smoke, and fire travels up…this is the easiest way to get the bad shit out while also giving the fire an exit to the outside world. Highly effective method but not taught enough. Springdale Fire Dept, Arkansas in the video did an outstanding job and shows just how simple it is. I know this is 9 years old but I’m sure it would still be done this way today if they were to encounter the same sort of structure.
Great job, very professional didn’t waste time. My only critique is I would have yelled “four” when I took out that vent!
Eek "fore"
Haha I never thought of that but it's useful to the people below. Good Comment.👍🏻
Hell yeah brother, awesome job, keep up the good work!!
Wow glad to see a Arkansas Firefighter on youtube. We liked your video and subscribed to your channel. We see you are on the Springdale Arkansas Fire Department. We are in Monticello Arkansas
But wait, they called for horizontal ventilation.
Always been a fan of the non-traditional color scheme apparatus. Typical red/white is boring. These are sweet looking, love the yellow!
OMG!!! You are one SICK individual! ;o)
firemedic75 my department we have chartreuse
We have baby blue trucks hahah
@@JuszCause Not anymore. Henrico is going Red and white now
Same in Colorado their like white I don't like it
I was browsing CZcams for ventilation videos to incorporate into my presentation for our rookie academy and came across this video, I'll definitely be using it, it's a great video to illustrate several safety concerns. Although the ventilation hole was accomplished it was unnecessary. I'm all for going on the roof to vent if it needs to be done, but throughout the video there was only minimal smoke production at best. The sawyer went onto the roof alone and didn't sound at all after the pathetic couple hits getting off the ladder. Anyone that has taken a basic firefighter academy knows that you don't knock off attic vents, it's been proven that they are more effective in place. Did he even know where the seat of the fire was or was he simply a moth-to-the-flame since he nearly sprinted to the only spot smoke was visible? I applaud his motivation to get the job done, but this video should by no means be something used to teach people how to perform arguably one of the most dangerous jobs in the fire service. I agree with the other comments about the depth guard, those are gimmicks. They give firefighters a false sense of security and you end up with what we saw here, no rafter rolling. If there was any significant amount of fire attacking those trusses he would have greatly increased the likelihood of falling through the roof because he just ripped through the rafters because his depth guard was set. Ventilation is a skill, you need to know what your saw is doing, hold it near vertical and push it through the work as fast as it will cut, by working the saw in this manner you'll feel the positive "hit" when you reach a rafter and you can then roll it. I won't get into the cut sequence as that may very well be his departments SOP, it isn't the IFSTA way, but IFSTA isn't the only one out there.
Ok, let the hurt feelings reports fly!
David Rossman I have huge plans on going structure side, and this comment has taught me a lot more than I already knew, I already knew about sounding and the cutting but while watching I hadn’t seen that many safety concerns besides the lack of sounding on the roof until you pointed them out, thank you! I’ll be sure to remember this!
Too bad none of you ask how Vertical Venting works. I mean, besides Heat Rises! All you care about is the macho stuff and the best way to cut holes.
Lol, You don't want me to touch this one Dave. - Mike
@@BrooksnHooks You don't get out much if you don't see the dangerous side of Vertical Venting. Too bad that not ONE of the CZcams training videos tells you how it actually works without saying "Heat Rises". czcams.com/play/PLkp0E1ao1XEy2uMomAtjWfScRFcCUmwwv.html
@@tylerdurden6896 Go ahead. Touch it!
On scene, events hole cut and complete done calmly in under 10 mins, nice job
Those spinning vent caps are designed to pull a draft and should be left alone as long as they are spinning.
Man the roof looked shady af. Nice video!!
Yeah that roof didn't need a hole. Very little smoke pushing from it.
Physically I seen nothing wrong with his work. I don’t like that he was alone on the roof but we’ve all been this guy at some point so really I can’t complain. My confusion comes with before he gets on the ladder, did I hear him trying to confirm horizontal vent? Was he mixed up? Because he most def vertically ventilated the structure lol. Other than my own confusion, I have to say strong work!
Me too the title said vertical but he asked if it was horizontal and if you heard the radio chatter im pretty sur ei heard command say horizontal
Video was edited, fire attack called 4 vertical, they edited command saying horizontal and get to the roof.
Very well exicuted im sure theres some comment about going on the roof alone at first but i compleatly understand ya gotta do what ya gotta do sometimes staffing is tight!
Why after hearing horizontal ventilation over the radio so many times, did vertical still happen? They even said don't go on the roof please. That's the most polite IC I've ever heard. If you can stick your face over the hole after you cut, and you don't get any significant smoke production, there was no need to cut the hole right? The vent he knocked off was doing the same amount of good that his saw work did.
This was my video that I didnt post, my dept posted it and if you watch the unedited version interior calls for vertcle vent, command says horizontal and to get ON the roof, he just got the term backwards. Truck crew knew what needed done. No I am not anywhere close 2 perfect for you arm chair quarterback/safety police but job was done, I had fun and earned my pay for the day. Thanks 4 the positive comments.
That was beautiful! I love that Haligan/NY Talon Hook that thing is amazing! Plus he got that ladder up smooth even though it’s a 14 those little tosers can fall to the side quick. Those cuts were perfect. Outside Vent kicks ass!
From the thumbnail, I thought it was a hockey trickshot video. I was pleasantly surprised.
That is a badass truck company
On some of these home fires the majority of the damage is not from the fire itself but from that tactics used to put it out. Just about every window in the house busted out..holes cut in the roof for ventilation and ceilings pulled down to check for attic fire and last but not least, extensive water damage to the interior.
That’s why happenes when your house catches on fire. You would be complaing if they left and your house burnt to the ground lol
awesome video
Awesome stop and vent work
Do beat up houses regularly because it looks like you practiced i might not be in rhe same state city or country but thabk you guys for your service
Quick qestion great job frist but second why the trucks different colors in different areas
Video was edited, my helmet cam and fire attack called for vertical prior, command stated horizontal and get to the roof. Video also doesn't show my walk around post ladder deployment
If you can vent by popping a few Windows or ppv, go for it, but ya know what, I've been a fireman/Paramedic for 14 years. Any job you do where nothing else gets lost once we get there and all your guys go home is a job well done in my book. That's why we do a post-incident debriefing to see what we could have done differently. Good hustle, like my man said in a previous comment.
That roof is toast 😂😂
Strong truck work. Good to see some people still know how to do it....
Is it standard SOP for your dept to climb to the roof with the saw turned on? We practice starting the saw at the foot of the ladder, then after establishing that she wills start, turn it off and restart once safely on the roof. Just curious. Good video.
We used to have that same policy. However, we figured why turn off a perfectly running saw only to try and re-start it in a hazardous environment (i.e.. pitched roof, smoke, dark, wet, etc.) so it was changed.
It's only a single story house, no need to waste time on the roof. If the saw is already started then you don't need to worry about any problems. Get on the roof cut it and get the fuck off no bullshitting.
Just asking, why did you make an inspection cut? Or was it just out of habit?
That cut is called the 7-9-8 cut. It's just part of the cut.
what tool is it that has a ny roof hook on one side and a halligan adz/pike on the other??
We call that a Boston hook
Nice hustle.
i Seen Backdraft once. #Fighting17NeverForget
Fire Academy student here, but a few things I noticed
-Shouldn’t he have had his SCBA already on?
-Not using 3 points of contact? Could have used beam/rail instead of grabbing rungs
-No roof ladder for stability
-Solo on the roof at first
-Ladder not secure (tied off or heeled)
-Climbing with a started saw. Yes to check it before climbing, but being taught to have it OFF climbing
I understand he’s experienced, and we all cut corners. But isn’t this just unsafe?
Most of those academy rules are forgotten in the real world. I wouldn’t turn the saw off. Start it on the ground and hit the brake to climb. No reason to heel the ladder in dirt, just seat the feet good. Debatable, but for a walkable pitch like this, we rely on good sounding and skip the roof ladder. I agree on the scba, though.
Yeah your fresh out of fire 1 alright. Never heard of starting a saw on the roof, your always Gona be solo for a short time, if you’re the first one on the roof. Your not tying a 14 foot ladder to a single story of Roof, come onn. He did have his SCBA on just not his mask and that’s how it supposed to be, mask on scean. Don’t need a roof ladder for that type of pitch, and 3 points of contact? 2 feet 1 hand. That’s 3 buddy.
Aren't you supposed to roll rafters?
Short answer, yes. Some departments make their cuts differently however and each situation is dynamic. He did have a chain guard on his saw so he wouldn’t have blasted through them completely. It is best practice to weaken the rafters you’re walking on as little as possible though.
Nice job on the roof. I do wish more guys would wrap their hand around the rail, instead off having to take your hand off the ladder reaching for the next rung.
Ive got a question and please dont take offense. I asking this out of ignorance. But why does it take firefighters so long to do something. It just seems like they dont get in any hurry, stand around and talk alot and take forever just to get water going on the fire. Are they not really concerned about trying to save the structure and just more concerned about keeping it from spreading?
Lots of ways to get hurt, heavy gear and clumsy boots, heavy tools. People are out of the building. Work steady and smart, stay aware of the overall situation.
Love it when he whacks the vent off lol
This guy loves anything that'll show a little whackin off
You should keep making videos
Did he mask up right before making the cut?
yes
I don't think a roof cut was necessary in this situation; although, I wasn't there and I have no idea what you saw. The cut only lifted a light haze of smoke. Driver stopped a little short. Great job overall
Sounding a roof doesn't work, there are videos of firefighters sounding roofs right before they fall through it. Edges, Peeks and Valley. Stay on the edges and peeks and valleys, that's where the structural support is the beefiest. Good roof work, I like that this guy knows what a 4x4 hole is and started at the roof vent. Playing golf with the vent. FOUR
Why would you cut a hole in the roof like that if the fire is already out?
atvkid0805 to prevent backdraft
and for the smoke to escape the building
You must hate your engine guys. To ask that
Didn't mask up?
It's interesting that you can't find ONE video on VVing that shows it actually improving conditions inside. All they show is the COOL stuff like climbing on the roof of a burning building, cutting the hole and the ever popular, Flames pouring through the hole as the gasses are ignited by the gas movement and they turn a contents fire into a structural fire.
I’ve been inside quite a few fires and believe me when I say that it works. Visibility clears up almost instantly depending on where you are inside.
@@CH-fk5tk Depending on a lot of things. For one thing it does right, it does a hundred things wrong. It just is not worth it. UL tells you that if you want to listen for it in their teaching.
@@JB91710you wouldn’t need a video if you had actual fire fighting experience
Can anyone explain to me why no roof ladder was used on the roof?
low pitch, good traction. If under 5/12 and dry, most dept's don't use a roofer
1 story, low pitch.....no need
The same reason he didn’t use an attic ladder up there, it wasn’t needed. 😂
First off great hustle! See too many FF's walking around with no sense of urgency. Not here to bash but offer some constructive criticism as a 28 yr. FF.
1. Engine & Truck Co. need to communicate what they see and to cut or NOT cut (depending on the obvious) with light smoke showing.
2. Should be a minimum of 2-3 man operation depending on what's showing and size of structure.
3. Once on the roof, bouncing on your feet tells you a lot about the possible conditions under you. Sound the roof like you mean it all the way from the uninvolved to the involved where you'll cut. We use rubbish hooks.
4. Leave any ventilators in place. They're doing their job drawing out hot air. It took you 9 cuts to cut a single hole that should've taken only 4 cutting around that ventilator (plus those FF's had a heck of a time removing the wood). We do a top cut, two parallel cuts and a bottom cut while rolling the rafters. Get rid of the chainsaw guide but be disciplined to roll the rafters and NOT CUT through them.
5. Rubbish hooks are great pulling tools (as well as axes) and punching in ceiling. All Truckee's should have an axe on the roof. If that chainsaw fails that's your next cutting n pulling tool. Don't feel the halligan is a good roof tool IMO.
Food for thought. If that house was well involved, would you have done the exact same thing? Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Stay safe and train like your life depends on it.
that ladder should have been placed on the charlie side if it was possible and should have had a roof ladder. Also should have been sounding that roof the entire walk not just around the top of the ladder. Also should have been on air before you climbed up. kinda hard to go on air while you're falling through a roof.
there was alot of good and alot of bad in this video. Starting off with jumping out of a moving apparatus, being alone on the roof. not masking up before roof ops, not sounding ahead. also I believe I heard a shit ton of horizontal vent confirmation soooo did he freelance and vertical vent instead? good was that he is not afraid, has great physical stamina, great ladder throw, brought tools, started saw before climbing, cuts were overlapping, vent complete in a short time frame
Nice pace
am ii the only person that noticed Command requested HORIZONTAL vent several times?
Leave that to the OV team, hes the roof guy.
I thought I was the only one to hear it also. Never once heard vertical ventilation from the radio just the truckie
I asked this in my comment. It seemed like they had a short burst of confusing radio traffic where I heard horizontally ventilating.
I heard it several times and also the fireman asking for confirmation. What is the difference?
i have one question when you vent roof aren't you feeding the fire with oxygen
Austin Seigel yes but the thing is em when you vent you're giving all that heat and smoke and steam somewhere to go other than staying in the house with the firefighters on the line. You're making there life a lot easier when you vent
ok thank you i thought it would feed the fire more but i know that it makes it easy for them
nicholas wells Yes, performing VV does remove some smoke and heat. Yet depending on the structure as the fire is given oxygen it allows the fire to spread throughout the structure making the temperature rise throughout the structure making the firefighters life harder and more dangerous.
Now we're back with: Why was this in my Recommended?
No need for ventilation. Fire conditions didn’t warrant it. The hole took too long. The could be done quicker with an inspection cut and 2 8ft cuts inside the rafters. This way you at least cut through one full sheet of osb/plywood. Always bring at least a six foot hook to clear the ceiling (may vary depending on the pitch of the roof and hole location. Just my 2 cents.
Depending on where your at, ventilation might be a must no matter the size.
I got to climb onto a training roof and do this it was a lot of fun
I've watched a bunch of videos (no I'm not claiming to be an expert); but this is the first one that I've seen the roof crew knock that stupid vent cap off. I've literally watched a crew stand next to a turbine that was venting black smoke then flame while they cut a louver in the roof. Again, I'm not an expert, but if you're looking for a way to let heat and smoke out why not take the easy route like FF Johnson here did?
Why a halligan for roof tear off when they make tear off shovels. That big square you cut wouldn't have need to be cut up 3 more times. You could have pulled the whole thing in 30 seconds
what type of hook is that
Terry Calhoun New York Hook
That depth gauge is terrible. It always got caught on cuts. Gladly we took ours off, makes the saw a hell of a lot lighter.
Did you mean horizontal
American fire engines are so long compared to the uk variant
what's going on this time guys
another house fire or something else
While I'm watching this vid, there is a contractor in the next room of my house working with a blowtorch. Hmmmm.....
Well? Did he burn your house down? No pun intended.
Nope! The plumbing job was done perfectly, and no bad side effects. Thanks for asking. :)
At least they’re using a Stihl.
full time or volly?
Full time, paid department
+David Kissinger nice rigs they look better than the red and chrome ones
@@modelmaker7161, I always loved the off colored ones. To much plane red, get some cool colors like blue, black, orange, or yellow, even green.
Ladder 1 or Ladder 6 in the back there.
These guys really must enjoy working harder not smarter.
This guy did pretty much everything textbook, great job.
Beavey bullshit he did
Were is your roof ladder ? 😮
For that peak? Lol
I don't like how the saw was shut down so early, should always keep the saw running until you are completely done with the hole
I guys should of yelled timber when the roof fell
*Wouldn't this cause a backdraft down below?*
Maybe but if not done in coordination with ic it could start a flow path
They needed a new roof anyway
Who the hell paints a fire truck Orange & Blue??
I mean it doesn't look bad but its just weird
Phantom67 who the hell feeds their dog Christmas wrapping ?
@@fuhwurd
Wow
If you use your eyes my dog spit it out afterward.
What's the point of ventilation in this scenario; I actually don't know
I Think they cut too big of a hole and in wrong location.
Vertical ventilation is good to change deteriorating conditions. It can be used to stop backdrafts, flashovers, and smoke explosions. Overall, the position of the cut is over the area with the most smoke and at the highest point. The cut was efficient and the right size. It was a good cut. The smoke, to me, didn’t read like conditions that needed to be changed with vertical ventilation, but I wasn’t there. I have no idea what they were seeing inside. Putting a video up is basically asking for negative comments. I commend any department that is doing it to help others train.
the only question I have is: why those helmets? I'm an explorer and we have helmets like that and I don't like them.
Lol, as luck would have it, he caught the center of a rafter. Typical when you want it to go quick and routine, life shifts and inch or two to mess with ya....
Cutting a hole in roof is how you vent the house so it burns down faster.
Worked like that in this situation huh?
That first truckie needs to go back to vent school.
Forget to go on air?
Chris Ingalls hmm I thought the same, but I'm guessing he didn't want to, till maybe he had to go inside.
I know in my department, the roof man only goes an air at his discretion. If you need to go on air bc conditions dictate it, you do, if not, you don't. I could definitely see the "what if" aspect of "what if the roof collapses and he falls in without a face piece on, no air, and helmet not secured.
This didn’t need to make the cut to check for smoke if smoke was coming from the vent
Horizontal ventilation has nothing at alm to do with "checking for smoke" I thinks it's very evident that theres smoke when theres a fire... it's to ventilate...
Fire would have been out by the time the roof was cut in Ireland
he cut away from his egress, separating himself, also no smoke or fire came out of that vent whole- ruined the roof for nothing, his cut sequence/ direction was out order, the guys punching the roof in on the interior guys was a huge mistake, you should pull the roof ( shingles and plywood) up/out and remove it, only punch in the interior ceiling after notifying nozzle crew, coordination is huge. list goes on, guy didnt turn his bottle on until after he climb top the roof thats a red flag... also i think at this fire, horizontal ventilation using the windows would have done the job... this was a smack fest.
Kid, no fire is perfect. And the fact your only complains are pin pointing the way he cuts, says a lot about you. Stay at your desk nerd
So giving the fire a way to breath and creating a chimney helps how? Burns down quicker 🤷♂️
Matt Waters verticals ventilations job is to keep firefighters safe. I draws the fire away from the firefighters and victims marking it easier to put out. Also it clears the smoke out giving a better chance to victims inside the building.
Venation is to relieve the house of smoke and heat from the fire also, fire can spread more from the material it's burning on than the air being feed into it.
That’s what the belief of vertical ventilation is. The science says otherwise. The reality is that the smoke doesn’t actually lift from vent holes less than half the total surface area of the roof. The smoke appears to to lift, because the available smoke (fuel) actually ignites. The illusion is that smoke has lifted and the immediate heat from the hot smoke has been relieved. For a moment, the hot smoke has relieved as it’s not down to the floor, but the radiant heat rapidly increases due to the now ignited smoke. This is why the recommendation for coordinated ventilation is made. Coordinated means water on fire with control of fire before or shortly after ventilation with ventilation done opposite the travel path of crews. Again, it’s no different than breaking out a window, in that a window itself doesn’t vent enough smoke to clear visibility in a well involved room and contents, nor would a window sized hole in the roof. All that is actually happening is opening the flue to allow a hotter cleaner burn and reducing smoke as a result of the increased heat and burn.