Full range EXERCISES Don`t help at ARMWRESTLING...?
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- Why does armwrestlers do partial range exercises in their training? Does it actually make you stronger in armwrestling?
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Well for me they helped massively with recovery. Full range pullups healed my elbow issue of a year. Also full extension dead hangs. But yeah I don't do them for strength. For mobility, flexibility, and pumping fluids into the extended joints.
With full range of motion you probably gain less specific strength but for sure it is healthier than making half range
Its only for armwrestlers. If you are not than no worries. If you are than you must do it.
@@therealtrump5512 I prefere to combine specific limited range of motion exercises with full range ones. Performing only limited range exercises may lead (in my opinion) to problem of muscle imbalances and consequently increases the chance of injuries
@@rattotakki i used to split. 4 set of half range and 2 sets of full. But in most cases in arm wrestling, arm could bend only 90 degree then u are surely pinned. Unless its kingsmove. But talking about the wrist curls, doing full range is super unnecessary in my opinion
If you train shortened movements all the time it makes muscles,ligaments and tendons shorter are more subseptible to being injured when stretched out. Shorter movements are good but not exclusively.
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Basically, specifics over general development, but it's nice to do both
how do i do both?
can u give eg on the bicep curl?
is it something like 2 sets full range then 2 sets partials ?
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I'm skeptical of the claim that partials make you stronger than full ROM. It's true that you can work with heavier weight using partials, but that doesn't necessarily mean that partial training yields a faster growth-rate than full ROM. Remember: the purpose of training is to trigger a growth response.
I've yet to see any arm wrestlers provide supporting scientific evidence to back the claims that partials are superior for growth. I think it's a dogmatic practice that is ultimately detrimental to those who follow it.
I think if arm wrestlers would instead train their arm wrestling specific vectors using lighter weights and full ranges of motion they would grow just as fast and spend less time injured and nursing tendon issues.
Coach Ray, I'm calling you out. Put up the supporting research to back your claims.
No one says it's better for growth. Strength sports are more about training nervous system than growth
@@whynot8818 you're talking about growth when you talk about nervous system training
Hey coach ray, i have a question and hope you managed to see it and answer ..
im having a little bicep tendon inflammation and i wonder what kind of exercises can help me healed and get stronger?
Do these kinds of bicep curls like you mentioned in the video might help me?
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From a mechanism stand point, when you work at partial range of motion, you decrease the number of number of sarcomeres arranged in series in your muscle cell, so that your sarcomeres will work at a optimal shortening lenght, where they are stronger. It is, by definition, worst for hypertrophy, but better for armwresteling, because they will be stronger at the functional lenght. But i do belive it is worst if you find yourself in a losing position after a jumping start, so keep that in mind. Sarcomeres are the contractil unit of the muscles, by the way, they are the thing that creates tension. Great video Ray!
As a Personal Trainer, I need to wear my armwrestling t shirt whenever I do armwrestling specific work at the gym. Otherwise, people look at me funny with the "wtf is this guy doing" look. Partial rep neutral grip pull ups, curls etc.
Peak is doing your training in blocks. Your first blocks should be low hypertrophy rep ranges with full range of motion to create as much mass as possible. After that blocks of training get progressively more specific to the activity that you are doing ending in devons micro lifts.
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@@voiceofarmwrestling he coach do you think a 50/50 split of ulnar and radial nerve movements would help with nerve pain? Or do you think it would spin out or weaken my wrist overall
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Totally agree. But only when you use maximum weights, maximum rezistence, maximum Performance. FOR training, full range of motion At least from TIME to time is needed.
Hey Coach. Should we focus on pronation through wrist, thumb or hand for not gettin hook, as a toproller???
Staying out of a hook is never about just pronation. You have to hit their fingers with posting back pressure. Pronation is part of keeping their wrist from bending, but you need to be constantly hammer curling into their fingers as well. The combination of getting the pressure into their finger tips, and pronation, keeps you out of a hook.
Do all those variants. Pronation through wrist is very good for hookers ( Daniel Procopciuc's channel on youtube ). Thumb and hand is more for toprollers IMO.
Yes, but it’s hard to put on muscle in a very limited range of motion, and you also need to gain size for arm wrestling. So its good arguments for doing both methods
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This is very complex subject and cannot be explain so briefly. Sure you need to train your partials and statics in order to get stronger at these but you need also full range for health and longevity. Same to be said for tendons and joints. Partials and statics will stiffen your joint but it make them prone to injuries so you need some full range for health there also. Shortened your range of motion and training only partial and static strength will turn your tendons and joints in to stone. Sure thats good for armwrestling but bad for longevity. You see all that surgeries going on in armrestling world. because of excess bone and ruined tendons in ewbol area? The main reason is this - compromising health for partial and static strength. Full range does not make you stronger in one place but overall makes you stronger. The main reason someone is week at the table apart from technique is not adapted tendons/joints. Main adaptation is happening during table time not partials and statics. Thats why John Brzenk rarely trains with weights and he always said table time is more important. And John elbows are good apart from his shoulder. Devon also doing mostly table time last couple of years and some partials/statics on his wrist(pronation, rising, cupping). He describes this as more healthy way. He quit doing heavy partials - curls, side pressure etc and he recognize this as unhealthy and the reason for surgeries. So i believe healthy training must include all moves. Maybe some partials and statics with heavy weight and some full range for health and longevity. Also if you check Halftor training, after all his training is done he train opposite muscle groups with light weight. If he trains bench then he finishes with back. If he deadlift he finishes with some light moves for mobility. The man who lifts 501kg knows how to train for longevity. Armrestling is still X-sport, i mean low grade sport and science is not fully developed there in terms of ways of training. I can see Devon is the closest to innovate and to try to understand and implement different kind of trainings. When he was young he lifted heavy, now he doing more focused trainings on hand and less on arm + more table time both hard and light. I believe is more complex that it seems. Partials are far from the best answer. For example ring gymnast have extreme static strength but also mobility, an example that this can be achieved. Shortened muscles are stronger until they get out of position. So doing 30% curls does not help with nothing if you ask me. Statics/partials on wrist i can see benefit of that but you also need full range in order to keep all in good working order.
It's not that complicated and he summed it up well in this short video.
I have a question: If an armwrestler usually get his wrist taken by toprollers: should he train to get a stronger wrist, learn how to pull even without his wrist or both?
work on your cupping and pronator. Also get into the straps that way finger and hand strength is less of a factor.
the answer for training is always stronger wrist in all directions and also find where the opening is versus specific toprollers.
Every style of toproll has its holes that you can fill if you have the right technique and enough strength
Maybe for the queens move tho
if you are losing, like when hand is almost opened, dont u want strength to recover from there?
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Pretty much all the studies done on this topic show that training a muscle at a full stretch leads to more hypertrophy than at a partial stretch. So a fully extended biceps curl will experience more growth than a partially extended one. If you goal is to grow your muscles then you'll want to do exercises with the muscle fully stretched at the bottom of the movement. And if you want to maximize strength you'll want to maximize growth first, as the potential strength of a muscle is directly correlated with it's cross-section.
Did you even watch the video?
Andrew, learn to listen to videos before typing replies please. Glad I could help.
Most people don't know how to train bicep, most of a full range bicep curl is wasted movement, contraction of the bicep heads is what you need, most people get this wrong who train biceps even body builders. Also pro tip if you want thick biceps you don't do full range , full range stretches out the bicep heads which makes them thinner not thicker.
I like both, but I'm not an arm wrestler, just an old, broken down thrower / terrible strongman.
In my opinion, arm wrestling often tends to confuse movement training with physiological training. Partials may have some movement carry over, but I think it's fair to say that they produce sub optimal hypertrophy and maybe even strength. Lots of other sports seem to already understand this except for arm wrestling: football players spend a lot of time lifting weights to get big and strong even though the movements don't replicate playing football, and powerlifters do things like tricep extensions even though the tricep does not bend that much during a bench press. That's just my opinion, curious to hear what others think. Both partials and full rom should be used.
I warm up with full ROM, and hit partials for the heavier sets, and statics for the heaviest as well
All the strong trainers and bodybuilders i knew taught full range. I never arm wrestled tho.
I am gonna tell you something if you said is true "football players spend a lot of time lifting weights to get big and strong even though the movements don't replicate playing football" then you just said it yourself then they just should not do that exercise.
But if a lot of football players do it don't you think it does replicate playing football in some aspect?
Like do you want me to get big numbers in a bench press for then to do arm wrestling and never use the lift?
Or are you know gonna tell me that bench press is a thing is should do?
Another aspect is also of gifted athletics like a guy from my club does not always do 100% arm wrestling specific training because they did not struggle but what they told me was:
He comes to table time 1 time they can fell he is strong, but they can win over him, next week he comes to table time he is now the strongest in the club, and you know what he had terrible technique but super strong for every movement. Now he is of course much better.
First competition I think he got 2 place in the whole country for -95 kg on his right hand and his left hand is stronger.
But trying to do what he does in the gym, just gave me more questions than answers.
But trying to copy was he does on the table, has really helped me.
And saying that you have to do to use partials and full range, is just wrong and is more gym bro science.
Partials have all the carry over, but I am not saying that there is not better ways to the the partials.
In the modern world where everyone only cares about aesthetics its fair that people feel like all this other stuff is wrong. You are correct in that partials produce less hypertrophy than full range, but you are incorrect in that the same is true for strength. In fact theres loads of research on this, feel free to look it up. In any sport (including AW) athletes go through two phases, a hypertrophy and base strength phase followed by a peaking and specificity phase. You do full range in the first one to get bigger muscles (more capacity for strength) to build functional capacity (like ray said) and to strengthen your foundation, but then slowly your movements get more and more specific to the sport, and in a lot of sports you just do less training and play the sport more or do drill (that is their partial training, note a rugby player doing drills pushing against smth isnt doing full rom squats). Ideally you would do specificity training all the time but you soon plateau if you do that, otherwise the ROI for it is higher than doing otherwise
@Jakob Stisen Well my point was that football players lift weights because it makes them bigger and stronger in the most effective way possible. Then they train on the field to become better football players; they separate the two types of training. If football players just tried to get big and strong by tossing around a 10kg ball, that wouldn't make them big and strong (I am speaking of American football, but this applies to other sports like Rugby).
If arm wrestlers only train partials and statics, the current scientific evidence may suggest that they will not grow enough muscle that way.
Look even at many of the top superheavyweights: Levan, ermes, denis, and Morozov all do big gym lifts, often with a full range of motion. They use partials and statics too, but I think those gym lifts allowed them to get as big as they are now.
which is the best exercises helps to be strong for armwrestling?
Pronation, wrist flexion, elbow flexion (especially with neutral grip)
Yup what he said
@@RDS_Armwrestling do you have some exercises
Bench press
I disagree completely. Full ROM is so much more hypertrophic than limited ROM. Partial ROM is used because full ROM might be too damaging if your training frequency is high.
The title and thumbnail are misleading I think. Ray acknowledges some of the benefits of full range to arm wrestlers late in the video. Someone who does a combination of full range and partials will be better off for arm wrestling than a someone who does only full range or only partials.
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This is exactly why arm wrestlers look like human T rex
Short answer, NO.
Full range is the best for armwrestling
That is Halpfull if you use king move....