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- US Marsoc Raiders vs British RM Commandos
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US Marsoc Raiders vs British RM Commandos
The United States’ Marine Raiders (Marsoc) and British Royal Marine Commandos are both elite military units specialized in amphibious warfare, but they serve different countries and have distinct roles and responsibilities. In 2014 the Marine Corps rebranded Marsoc as Marine Raiders in honor of the unit’s WWII origins. Today’s the Raiders stand shoulder to shoulder with other Tier 2 operators. Their motto "Always Faithful, Always Forward" reflects a combination of loyalty and determination. The origins of the Royal Marine Commandos date back to the reign of Charles II. In 1664, a force of 1200 men called the 'Admiral’s Regiment' was established. Fast forward to the second World War, the Royal Marines Commandos were created. Today, they are the Royal Navy’s elite amphibious force. Their motto is ‘Per Mare Per Terram’ - ‘By sea, by land’. Spearheading Marine Corps special operations, the marine raiders excel in direct action, unconventional warfare, maritime interdiction, special reconnaissance, foreign internal defense, and counterinsurgency, among others. Marine Raiders have recently carved out a unique niche “on-the-ground cyber warfare”. While the Royal Marine Commandos specialize in conducting amphibious assaults, utilizing their expertise in launching coordinated attacks from land, sea and air. Beyond amphibious warfare, they engage in high-risk missions such as reconnaissance, sabotage, and hostage rescue. The 43 Commando Fleet Protection Group Royal Marines is responsible to protect Britain’s strategic nuclear weapons. Aa a base unit, MSOT is a dedicated group of 14 Marines. Leading the charge is the Team Commander, a Captain. Right by his side is the Team Chief, a seasoned Master Sergeant and an Operations SNCO. Communications SNCO ensures that every piece of information flows smoothly and accurately. On the other hand, British Marine Commandos are organized under the umbrella of 3 Commando Brigade. There are serval battalions sized units, of which six are designated as "Commandos". Units like 40, 42, and 45 Commandoes, each comprising approximately 650 to 700 personnel, are the heart of the Brigade.
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IMPORTANT: No women has ever passed RMC training.... ever! They only last the first couple of weeks of the 32 weeks course. Only a couple of woman have passed the waterd down and shorter 9 weeks " All Arms Course ", which is for attached / support personnel. They also passed under very questionable & preferential circumstances, with no man ever being accommodated in the way they were....
Not a like for like comparison. Also Royal Marines are trained in Air Assault, mountain warfare and arctic warfare on top of their amphibious warfare role.
Correct, but not all RM, mountain & Artic Warfare Cadre are tier 2 special forces and separate selection is required.
@Orlandojusticenomaga I wasn't referring to the Mountain Leaders, at some point all commando units go on exercises in Norway for Arctic training and 45 Cdo are pretty much set-up for mountain training up in Scotland. Part of their remit was to fight the Russians in Sweden, Norway and Finland. Also iys the reason why they did so well fighting the Taliban in the Afghan mountains at the start of the war. However I do agree that the Cadre would have been a better direct comparison but they aren't a unit. These short videos can never do the subject justice.
@@calvinmulraine736 I was pointing out that Mountain & Artic Warfare Cadre are like for like with MARSOC, and technically there are no US marines equivalent to the RM 3 Commando brigade 40,42 and 45 commando (tip of the spear), the nearest is US army 75th ranger battalion.
@@Orlandojusticenomaga it's funny you say that because I was going to say the exact same thing in my initial comment. Sorry that I didn't now.
You are mistaken Sir. Royal Marine commandos are a lot better than USMC troops. They are like the US rangers tier 2 fast assault force on a larger scale.
MARSOC has a bilateral focus to their role, meaning they can operate with and advise host nation indigenous forces- very similar to how Green Berets work. That means their training incorporates alot of language and cultural know how. UK RMs to my knowledge were designed to be unilateral, although I’m sure they could blend into the bilateral space if they needed to. Both units are highly adaptable and can evolve to the changing reality on the ground.
Wow I didn’t know that I thought they were more like rangers direct action and raids
Both are formidable warriors with the latest a greatest tools.
said it for years. USMC needs to take the exact same TTP for boot camp/OCS/TBS are the UKRM. Weed out more non hackers, cull the heard without RIF and post war drawdown. Follow the same promotion requirements. Stop the requirement to be promoted to retain until retirement. nothing wrong with a terminal sgt or capt who knows the job and does it well.
If your going to talk about Royal Marines units, then they are 43,42 Commando rather than Forty Three, Forty Two Commando!
United States Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command ( MARSOC) , and, United Kingdom Royal Marines Commando ( RMC) : Where Semper Fidelis, Always Faithful Always Forward meets Per Mare Per Terram. 🇺🇸🇺🇲❤️🇬🇧🇬🇧🦅🌎⚓🪖💣💥🔥🪂🤿🥷
Commandos all the way.
Marine Raiders are the deadliest Amphibious Shadow Warrior version of the Army Special Forces aka the Green Berets. Both the Royal Marines and Marine Raiders are both badass freedom fighting Operators that defend the Free World against all enemies everywhere by any means necessary to win the war and safeguard the peace. Perfectly said, the Marine Raiders are the Macgyvers when it comes to weapons, Intel, Cyberwarfare and the rest of the specialties of Special Ops.
having worked with the yanks, the lads were top notch, but their superior kit gave them an edge
semper fi 👋 oo-ra
F21 and mid 35 compar ples reques
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MARSOC should be a career fild like ALL OTHER SOCOM operators. by the time a CSO is fully trained up they end up back in the FMF "to bring skill home" A waste of time.
Not anymore. They used to, but now both enlisted and officer can stay.
Rangers vs Raiders!
Marsoc are classed as SOF. RM are not.
The whole SOF, SF, SOC thing is different in both countries whilst not all elements within the RM would be considered SOF there are smaller elements within the RM that would be considered SOF in US terms.
US criteria for defining SOF are more lax than the UK - the Commando Test is a tad softer than SAS - but the motivation and detrermination is the same..plenty of Royals do the Fan Dance just to do it.
35 years as a service enabler, a lot of this comes down to the full overall operational support these units have access to. That said, those who have spent many years forward in both theaters of operations know which one of these units stands out in terms of overall combat effectiveness, MARSOC.
so, does Marsoc have an Artic capability, ability to routinely navigate mountainous terrain etc..I have no idea what a "service enabler" means or does - but I doubt it means passing anything resembling either the All Arms Commando Course - or the Commando test....Ever heard of MAWC....look it up and weep...then look up the Mountain Leaders Course and go away.
@@brendanukveteran2360 Extraordinarily immature response…I’ll leave it there. Also, remember Fallujah, when you boys went in and were there less than a weekend and then ran off to Basrah as the MEU came in to unscrew everything.
USMC Recon and Commandos would be more compatible.
Can we talk about RM Naked Roll Mat Wrestling😮
MARSOC is the best
It should be MARSOC Raiders vs. the SBS. That's the tier 1 element of the Royal Marines.
Nonsense. These two shouldn’t be compared, but Raider vs SBS isn’t a better one either.
By land & by sea its latin back to front ( per mare per terram ) no female has passed or will pass , although 2 have allegedly passed the all arms
RM are a jack of all trades master of none. So many different jobs that they are not specialists in anyone apart from deployments to very nice countries like the Caribbean and other war torn countries. Hence the UK have the Ranger regiment as their version of us rangers
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The Ranger Regiment are nothing like US Army Rangers
Mr Smug, try telling a Royal that and he will just smile and walk away laughing inwardly.
@@RichardWilliams-kf5vwexactly the British ranger regiment those guys are actually chads, nothing like us army rangers or green berets the only thing they do similar to green berets truly is training foreign militaries.
No usmc
Apples and Oranges. By training and mission, MARSOC Raiders are Tier 2 operators on par with Britain's SAS and SBS. Royal Marines are advanced light infantry with a lean toward seaborne and coastal warfare as well as land based warfare.
MARSOC is not SAS or SBS tier. ST6 and Delta are our allegories for those units
@@BrianT175 The British military's "Special Reconissance Regiment" would be equal to Tier 1 Devgrou, or Delta.
@@gordonallen9095 Nope, the SRR is the UK version of the US ISA. The SRR was based on them in 2005-06
@@joesgotya9930 You are right. I stand corrected. I meant E Squadron as the British military's Tier 1 Unit.
@@gordonallen9095 Nah closest we have to SRR is task force orange.
Not even remotely comparable. MARSOC are special operations. RM Commandos are light infantry.
NOT Infantry, Royals are Royal NAVY amphibious troops which a wide range of specialist roles that enable them to deploy effectively in different climates and terrains
@@brendanukveteran2360 It is still an infantry formation...
This isn’t even remotely an apples-to-apples comparison. I’m a US Marine who worked EXTENSIVELY with the Royal Marine Commandos, especially Recapture Tactics Troop from 43 Commando, 47 Commando, and F Coy from UKSF, and frankly, this comparison is absolutely ridiculous.
Outside of the SBS and UKSF, Royal Marines are the equivalent of conventional US Marine Infantrymen.
In fact, the US Marine Infantry training pipeline is quite a bit longer than the Royal Marine training pipeline.
The US Marine Infantry pipeline is a 13 week week boot camp, a 14 week Infantry School (so 27 weeks in a formal schoolhouse environment), and then at least 6 months of pretty brutal on-the-job training at your first Victor unit in the Fleet. So about 13 months just to be a basically trained Infantry Marine, not even including all of the MANY follow-on schools you attend.
The Royal Marine Commandos have a combined boot camp and infantry school of 32 weeks, and then you’re considered a basically trained Royal Marine, fully ready to deploy, as far as the UK MOD and Royal Navy is concerned.
Meanwhile, to even attend Marine Raider Assessment & Selection (A&S), you have to do a full enlistment in the US Marines first, and then you can screen for A&S. If you make it to A&S, you have a BRUTAL 6 week selection, and just because you pass, that does NOT mean that you’ll be invited to ITC, which is another 10 months, not including follow on schools. On top of that, most of the candidates for Raider A&S come from Force Recon and the STA (Scout Sniper) Platoons, which both have their own brutal selection and training courses.
As I said, this isn’t even remotely an apples-to-apples comparison.
A standard US marine doesn't even come close to a RM commando. Your comparison on time under training isn't necessarily correct. Yes, after 32 weeks they're eligible to deploy but they do a series of continuation training until they've reached their 2 year point, where then they join a specialised trade such as combat engineer etc. RMs have proven countless times that they're the best amphibious tier 2 force out there.
You are mistaken Sir. Royal Marine commandos are a lot better than USMC troops. They are like the US rangers tier 2 fast assault force on a larger scale.
@@biggles4444 LMFAO!!!! So let me ask you a question… if you take an Infantryman, and you teach him combat engineering, or how to operate a tank, or how to fire an artillery piece, and you expect him to now maintain proficiency in both his infantry skills and his new job skills, does he now have more or less time to focus on his infantry skills?
If you answered less, then congratulations, you’re correct!
He now has LESS time to devote to Infantry training, thereby making him not as good at it as an Infantryman who ONLY focuses on their Infantry skills training. You know… like a U.S. Marine Infantryman 😉
Also, what is this Tier 2 business you keep referring to? The Tiers are a USSOCOM funding priority designation that have absolutely nothing to do with eliteness or training level. The British MOD doesn’t even use Tiers. Also, this video is incorrect. The Marine Raiders are Tier 3 under USSOCOM. Again, because Tiers are a strictly American special operations funding priority designator. The Royal Marines aren’t even “Tier’d”
@@au100 LMFAO!!! First of all, see above…
The Tiers are a USSOCOM funding priority designation that have absolutely nothing to do with eliteness or training level. The British MOD doesn’t even use Tiers. Also, this video is incorrect. The Marine Raiders are Tier 3 under USSOCOM. Again, because Tiers are a strictly American special operations funding priority designator. The Royal Marines aren’t even “Tier’d”
Second of all, if the Royal Marines are so much better than the US Marines, then please explain how Royal Marine NCO’s have failed the 9 week USMC CQB School…
In fact, it happened while I was going through the course.
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Just ask any actual Royal Marine who has actually worked with the US Marines. They’ll tell you themselves that they’re directly on par/comparable to the US Marine Corps Infantry.
What’s especially hilarious to me is that I actually served in one, and with the other, you didn’t, and yet you’re trying to tell me how it is 🤣
Hate to burst your bubble kid, but not once while I was working with the Royal Marines, which I did every single year during Exercise Tartan Eagle, did I think to myself, “Man, these guys are so much better at Infantry skills than I am!”
Quite the opposite, in fact. They were better at land navigation and wilderness survival than we were, but we were MUCH better at CQB and combat marksmanship than they were.
I’m glad to see that the old British propaganda machine is still working its magic though LOL.
I served 9 years with royals marines an your right mate but royal marines were never meant to
be conventional infantrymen this is somthing that happened over past few decades an as we speak the MOD is moving 3 commando brigade back into its original commando role! we'll have to see how or even if they pull it off.
your 1000% right tho you can't compare theses two its ridicules to be honest
Marsoc tier 2, royal maribes,regulsr forces.
44 Commando?
Can you even spell correctly?
@@user-wi1xs5pc7g sorry ,english is not my first language
@@siboniso4420 ant middleton ,words not mine, thats why he left The comandos to join SBS. He said comandos are great but still regular forces and he wanted SF. Y can check It out by yourself in a lot of interviews..
RMC are literally tier 2 special operations forces, you muppet
F-word the rmc