From Magia Record: Mahou Shoujo Madoka☆Magica Gaiden Final Season - Dawn of a Shallow Dream - BD vol. 2 Episode 3 Direction / Storyboard : Midori Yoshizawa
This whole scene is basically an example of a friend trying to convince their friend not to commit suicide, only to wind up pushing them into it, albeit unintentionally. The only difference imo is that this scenario is playing out in the context of Magireco, a Madoka Magica spinoff and magical girl anime.
This scene is more tragic when you found out about more about Kuroe in the Magia Record mobile game. She wished to be with the boy she has a crush on so she was granted with a power to gather attention. Kuroe dated the boy but she felt that she was just simply tricking the boy to fall for her, so she decided to end their relationship. This would also explain why Iroha, despite not actually being her friend from the start, keeps bumping to her and even work forces with her. This was probably made worse when she knew the dark secret about magical girls and witches. She realized her wish was not worth it since she just wanted her crush to love her and now she felt guilty of "tricking" him. Now her life now as magical girl is full of danger and she would either die in a battle or became a witch. Iroha's attempt in this scene to lift her spirit up and save her from becoming a witch will be a failure. Kuroe just see Iroha's effort of rescuing her as just an effect of her attention-seeking powers.
@@deltahalo241yeah, though I think their soul gems clouding is an indicator of how much emotional turmoil they're experiencing. People tend to lash out and act irrationally when they're less emotionally sound.
Sadly, Iroha ended up giving the final push Ichizo needed. She was so consumed by what she believed a magical girl’s life should be like and wanting to save Kuroe to make Ui happy, she failed to realize that Kuroe was miserable as a magical girl or how guilty and insecure she was after the encounter with Kuro. Because of that, when Iroha implied that Kuroe should be the magical girl she believed she should be, Kuroe came to the conclusion she can never can never be that girl and witched out, thinking it as a better option then to continue being a ‘failure’ of a magical girl.
@@tylermack4705 Actually…Now I think about it.. Before becoming a Magical Girl, Iroha was always dealing with Ui’s illness and the very realm possibility that she can die, so she made Ui’s happiness her top priority and ignored anything else that seems remotely negative or would shatter the happy illusion. Her belief about magical girls undoubtedly came from the fact that she had saved Ui from her illness: She was so focused on her sister since she was her whole world, she didn’t really consider others up until she came to Kamihama and met Yachiyo and the others. However, she continued to try to cling onto her prioritization of Ui’s happiness and her naive viewpoint of the world just so she wouldn’t have to acknowledge the harsh reality, even after learning the truth of Witches, being saved from her Doppel and seeing her friends suffering from their own issues. And because of that, she was unable to understand Kuroe, as she couldn’t see how badly she was suffering and was just essentially telling her to be happy so Ui (and by extension, her) can be happy. Don’t get me wrong: I like Iroha. It’s just realizing this made me realize why her Witch doesn’t want to acknowledge anything: She was trying to live in denial of the real world so she won’t have to face the truth that things won’t go her way and that it’s not a happy place. And it took Kuroe witching out, Giovanna’s scolding, her friends encouragement and Ui telling her to live her own life for Iroha to finally let go of the happy illusion and face reality.
It's actually amazing. We finally have an example that saying "everything is fine! It's fine!" will not ALWAYS work. I loved this anime for actually letting people fail instead of every single thing going their way.
It's creepy how at peace Kureo looked before witching out. Kuroe _wanted_ to become a witch at that point, as she'll finally escape being a magical girl. It's chillingly reminiscent of how upbeat people will appear once they've decided to end their own life...
Yeah, Kuroe was already gone the moment she witched out. Kuroe wanted to discard her Magical Girl self so bad, that as Ichizo, she tore her own former body apart. The dangling arms at the end is especially gruesome.
@@phantom_servant7980 Tbh, I didn't like the gaslight the show tried to make flashing those moments between Iroha and Kuroe. At the end of the day, Iroha didn't save Kuroe because she wanted, but because she wanted to please Ui. Iroha NEVER cared about Kuroe after S1 episode 2, when she stopped calling her.
@@eucalyptus2609 it was like a one sided love from Kuroe, Iroha could've done better if she wasn't obsessed with only Ui and focused on everything instead of just wanting to see Ui even if it wasn't guranteed she was alive
@@eucalyptus2609 this is such a black or white take on something with much more nuance than that. Kuroe and Iroha met once prior to going to kamihama together. following that, kuroe joined the wings of the magias and also never reached out to iroha to tell her about the dopple system or how to stay safe. once they met up again it was kuroe who stayed behind and then walked away after her dopple/dead friend (who she also only met once) told her she didnt matter. at no point does iroha know that this is happening to her. Ui asks iroha to save her friend. and so she learns kuroe is in trouble and does what she can to try and help there was miscommunication and they were both wrapped up in themselves. but to say iroha didnt care, is just willful blindness to the situation
Yeah but you cant forget, these are young people, sometimes even children - they do dumb stuff, especially if they dont know better. But in principle, yes youre right.
reminder that Iroha technically is and isn’t at fault, as even if she was the reason that Kuroe witched out, Kuroe would have done that even without Iroha, since Kuroe thinks that Iroha is helping her bc of her power from her wish and Iroha can’t perceive that.
Dear god this scene was dark. Magia Record is far from perfect but the way it deals with its subject matter is so raw and well executed. This scene and the fan girl going all glitchy (I don't remember her name right now) seriously caught me off guard because of how damn real they felt. I remember being annoyed at first that Kuroe didn't have her backstory laid out at first but realising that was intentional makes this all the more depressing. We don't know her full story. Iroha doesn't know her full story, and sadly she didn't have the self-awareness to realise maybe her attempts at positivity were unintentionally driving her friend further into darkness. This franchise always knows how to hit me in the feels man.
I know she isn't that connected to her in anyway but the way she witches out and the description of her as a witch trying to reach something she can't reach only to repeat the process reminds me of when Homura witched out in rebellion
Is no one gonna say that this is the first time we see a witch hatched from the gem while it's not in its "egg form". Both Sayaka and Mel turned into witches while their soul gems are in their "egg form".
Same for Madoka, tho i really like how their "egg form" suddenly transforms into a grief seed about to hatch Also, isn't this the first time we see a witch (that has a labyrinth) outside of their labyrinth?
@@saulgerardo372 We saw Walpurgisnacht in episode 1 of the main series. Very powerful witches don't need a labyrinth which is probably why Walpurgisnacht, Kremheild Gretchen and Eve have no labyrinth.
@@apdroidgeek1737 I thought it was that they’re so powerful that they make the current area around them their labyrinth, basically having portable labyrinths
0:45-0:51 The pure despair in her voice as she says this line with tears streaming down her anguished smile broke my heart. The music only deepened my cracking heartbreak.
I used to wonder what a Magical Girl who looked forward to becoming a Witch would be like (I’m really into body horror and the general aesthetic of Inu Curry’s art style so that’s what got the ball rolling). But seeing Kuroe’s smile just before Ichizo comes out… I see now that the Magical Girl I envisioned can only be born from pain.
Woah, I love how they made Ichizo sound more unintelligible after being released. It seems more fitting, sad and disturbing. Also love the change when her soul gem becomes a grief seed, we see Ichizo manifesting.
After watching it a few times, I’m starting to notice parallels in foils between Kuroe/Iroha with Homura/Madoka. The pink and purple combination. Pink symbolizing childlike innocence whereas purple is unusually mysterious, fitting both of the pairs pretty nicely. Homura goes out of her way to save Madoka from dying every timeline, no matter how hard it becomes. Kuroe chooses to die while Iroha does everything she thought she could do to save her. One failed but kept fighting. The other fought and failed. Magia Record might’ve had some poor moments, but it had a lot of amazing moments in writing.
In the mobile game, Kuroe has an attention-seeking powers which he also used to get the attention of her crush to date her. She ended her relationship with him out of guilt because she is basically tricking him. I think in this scene where Iroha attempted to save her, Kuroe just thinks that this was just wher power influencing Iroha's actions. She may have also think that Iroha won't save her or even care for her if it wasn't for her attention-seeking powers.
That'll be another parallel between Homura and Kuroe because they both felt guilty of using their powers and don't get what they want and therefore never being truly happy.
My friend pointed this out to me, and with the ending of last birds hope, it seems that kuroe and iroha is just homura and madoka backwards. Perhaps in walpurgisnacht rising, homura will become a messenger of ultimate madoka like kuroe became a messenger of infinite iroha
I know its already obvious but jesus the way she said "How long do i have to keep being a magical girl" which is basically just "How long do i have to keep fighting/living" is soo ABSHDHDHD
I mean bless iroha for pushing and trying, but I sided more with kuroe here. I also have a hopelessly gung ho positive friend and this is really what it feels like to talk to them sometimes. It just really hurt when iroha kept saying magical girls are amazing and can do all these things when clearly kuroe doesn't feel that way. And to bring up wishes was just- aAH her wish is meaningless at this point, there's nothing for her to fight for anymore. Iroha pleASE-
On rewatching the series, I really noticed how many of Kuroe and Iroha's conversations were underpinned with Iroha talking about how Magical Girls should help each other. Each conversation making Kuroe admire Iroha more yet also making her feel more and more guilty for the girl she abandoned
When I first saw this, I wasn't sure how to feel. It felt like the first time Madoka was cruel just for the sake of being cruel. However, looking at it again, I think it works. For as bleak as Madoka is, it hasn't really tackled suicidal depression up to this point, with the closest being Homura entering the labyrinth in episode 10 of the original show. Viewing this through that lens, Kuroe is someone who believes she has no worth and is just stringing people along. Iroha's normal words of encouragement don't work because it's only further enforcing how Kuroe views herself. It's horrible, but it's a very real tragedy, and it makes me wish all the more she had a happy ending. But I'm no longer upset with how it was handled, I like it quite a bit now to be honest.
@@someone-uz4mi so... Now i understand why Homura saying that "We've been tricked by Kyuubey" So the main thing is Kyuubey try to convince "Innocent Girl" to believe that Magical Girl is always for hope! And bla bla bla... Now the point of become Magical Girl is to "Survive" ...
I love Kuroe, an average not-too-inquisitive person who simply thought it would be a good idea to have a wish granted; but regrets choosing a life of hard labor from where there is no turning back; and who hates it all the more because she keeps seeing other magical girls that somehow cope with this life of eternal fighting to stay alive much better than her, either due to their nature or upbringing. There's probably many more like her who turned into witches in a few weeks, but MadoMagi and MagiReco only show us her; most of the main characters actually "love their job", as it were. It sucks when it feels like you are the only one who both is kinda bad at fighting witches, and hates having to keep doing it to survive.
Her witch transformation is also depressing as Sayaka's except Kuroe wanted to be a witch to end her suffering while Sayaka had no idea she will become a witch.
Just like that nighthawk in The Nighthawk Star who is ugly to the point other nighthawk hate him for sharing the same name, feel guilty for accidentally eating a bug and wished to be a star to not hurt anyone. Kuroe was too weak to fight Witch, her wished betray her and the fact that she can save that girl by give away her grief seed, but she choose not to and the consequence but a lot of guilt on her soul, thing got even worse after she found out the truth about magical girl, she now realized that her "death" also create a monster that will hurt everyone around. This explain why Kuroe and her doppel slowly build up tower of mud below to get higher, she was too afraid to let anyone die because of her despair. *“Now, no one will save me. Now, I don’t have to save anyone. Now, I can stop being a Magical Girl.”* is what Ichizo said after break out from the so call salvation that was locking her from freedom, no one can risk their life killing a monster like her, she don't have to feel guilty for not saving other and the wish she made, the price she has to pay for that wish is no longer a thing she has to think about, and finally, she don't have to use this ugly body anymore. After being freed, Ichizo has one last thing to do, flying to a place where her existence won't affect anyone, to be a blue star glowing brightly on the sky.
Kuroe: tells Iroha that she wished for the courage to ask a boy out and that she was immediately rejected (cuz she only asked for courage, not for the guy to like her back) Iroha: Do you remember your wish?! You need to fight for it!! Iroha girl you didn't even listen to your friend? Her sitaution is literally the shittiest
A, no she rejected him, she literally says "dont call me again" on the phone before fighting servant of anima. B, Iroha is genuinely trying to help, not by reminding Kuroe of her wish but telling her that there is hope in the future. Kuroe refuses to accept the helping hand offered to her due to her own self loathing and becomes a witch
You are confusing Kuroe with Momoko. In the first episode of the anime, we see Kuroe saying that she wished to go out with the person she liked, and we learn in the game that Momoko wished for the courage to ask out her crush, however another girl asked him out before her and he accepted
I think the reason you see the impurities of her soul gem in her eyes is because the eyes are the window to the soul tbh I think I’m onto something PS: I JUST REALIZED THE COLOR OF A MAGICAL GIRL’S SOUL GEM MATCHES THEIR EYES
1:37 Interesting, they made her lines pure witchspeak here by reversing and juxtaposing some of the original lines from the TV version. This was just muffled/deeper Japanese in the TV version, saying* : "Watashi wa mou dareka ni sukuwarenai (I can no longer be saved by anyone) Watashi wa mou dareka mo sukuwanakute ii (I no longer have to save anyone) Watashi wa mou mahou shoujo wo yamerareru (I can now stop being a magical girl)" * The "dareka" sounds more like anata (you) in the first sentence & kimi (you) in the second sentence; but since Kuroe never uses either pronoun for Iroha, it's probably just dareka (anyone). The English subs I saw also had something along these lines.
Has anyone tried to reverse the audio when Ichizo speaks? I'm curious whether it's just gibberish or if it's like with H.N. Elly where she's speaking in reverse.
in the tv vers it had translations like this and you can hear kuroe clearly near the end (adding an implication shes still very concious here) ofc its still audible in the bluray "now, nobody can save me. now, i don't need to save anyone. now, i can stop being a magical girl."
I remember that the human bodies remain intact, but just as regular corpses (seen with both Sayaka and Madoka). Which was why I was so confused with Ui's transformation into Eve in the anime, since in the game, her body was still intact - which matches the original series.
@@someone-uz4mi in the anime it's probably because they had activated the doppel system already so she started doppeling out but that disrupted her role in the doppel system so she completely turns into a witch including her body which was already affected
was the nightjar call at 1:54 always there, or just an addition for the blu ray version? either way, a neat detail considering the novel her doppel/witch is based on
@@cthulhumari I'll have to look that one up! I saw a video from a Japanese user who recorded a grey nightjar's call (that's the species they stated at least...) that sounded similar to the one here.
Okay so, everyone here seems to have misunderstood something. Iroha's attempt at positivity had nothing to do with Kuroe becoming a witch. Kuroe's despair is the fact that she refuses to try to improve: she says "I'm weak" and lets it at that. Her memory of that girl she met when fighting "servant of anima" thats then followed by a grief seed dropping to the ground along with a puzzle piece is meant to show that Kuroe had a grief seed on her, she could have helped that girl, she could have asked for her name and contact info, they could have become a team and could have been friends but Kuroe ran away instead, letting her own weakness stop her from helping someone else and possibly improving her situation. The scene with Iroha and the rest of the cast placing the missing puzzle pieces is meant to show how Iroha overcame her weakness through team work and finding people to stay by her side, but when Kuroe is offered a piece she doubles down on her negativity and becomes a witch. Thats why the last episode of season 2 shows Kuroe seeing Iroha as a puzzle piece, Iroha is everything Kuroe wishes she was but lets her own fear stop her from reaching out and achieving said goal. In the end Ichizo is searching for a missing puzzle piece called "strength" that she can never find, simply because there isnt a mythical strength that makes you a better person, you become a better person by improving upon yourself and reaching out for help when necessary. No one is strong, not Iroha, not Yachiyo, not Tsuruno, no one. The difference is, the above mentioned reached out and found others to help them. Ultimately Iroha's attempt at helping has nothing to do with Kuroe becoming a witch. This is no one's fault but Kuroe's. Much like Sayaka, Kuroe did this to herself. She simply screamed "I'm weak" and doubled down when given the thing that could help her. She refused to take the hand offered to her and paid the price in full.
I don't think the argument is that Iroha killed Kuroe in this scene, it's just that she didn't help. Not that anyone could have helped, though, as you said, Kuroe did this to herself.
Sayaka outright refuses to change her outlook from the fact she has other ways to go to other than catalysing her transition into Oktavia deliberately even with the others intervening, its only after a certain trigger while working for Madoka after her death then she finally understood from a different angle, hence her being able to let go from her obsession with Kyosuke and bless Hitomi in Rebellion
I noticed too that's theme is not released, i listened all soundtrack of the playlist and, for now, i can't found it, i have even the Bluray of the season 3, but nothing of that track, i thinks that maybe is of a movie of Madoka Original or something like that.
Kessoooo. Magica Gaiden I love it and Kuroe, why not corrupt Iroha before you gone. Haishh. It's too early for you to do this. I'm very sad. I like you with Tamaki. Just try be a bad girl to her but.... Pout.
Hey, remember this girl from the first episode of season 1? Yeah, she’s an important character in this season. No, of course she wont detract from the characterization of the other already established characters.
Eh, I think Kuroe slotted pretty well into the Season 2 cast lineup, if there were any characters that detracted from the main cast then I'd say it was the original Madoka cast. I understand it's a whole thing in the game but the original cast are really only there to say "Hey look, it's a Madoka series" it feels like.
@@deltahalo241 Both the original Madoka cast and Kuroe detracted from season 2. Instead of focusing on the relationships between the girls we had come to know in season 1, we focus on a girl that we saw for, like, five minutes in the first episode and then never again until they decided to make her relevant.
Why Iroha had to kill Ichizo though? Not all witches murder people. Ichizo was just want to fly awau to the little bird star at 02:04 . She should just left her.
Sure they might not kill people but the familiars will do anything to become their own witches therefore killing people are repanding curses so it better to kill ichizo before it gets too late
She would've ended up 'dying' in her witch form (look up the description or the description of her doppel form) and it would've been much kinder to just end her misery now and then rather let her suffer
This whole scene is basically an example of a friend trying to convince their friend not to commit suicide, only to wind up pushing them into it, albeit unintentionally. The only difference imo is that this scenario is playing out in the context of Magireco, a Madoka Magica spinoff and magical girl anime.
Yes, that's literally exactly what this scene is. It's so heartbreaking.
@@perksofbeinganalien7830 너무 늦게 자서 지금
I only see Iroha, I dunno what you guys are talking about.
@@L3onking??
Magireco?
This scene is more tragic when you found out about more about Kuroe in the Magia Record mobile game. She wished to be with the boy she has a crush on so she was granted with a power to gather attention. Kuroe dated the boy but she felt that she was just simply tricking the boy to fall for her, so she decided to end their relationship.
This would also explain why Iroha, despite not actually being her friend from the start, keeps bumping to her and even work forces with her. This was probably made worse when she knew the dark secret about magical girls and witches. She realized her wish was not worth it since she just wanted her crush to love her and now she felt guilty of "tricking" him. Now her life now as magical girl is full of danger and she would either die in a battle or became a witch.
Iroha's attempt in this scene to lift her spirit up and save her from becoming a witch will be a failure. Kuroe just see Iroha's effort of rescuing her as just an effect of her attention-seeking powers.
I had no idea. Thanks for explaining
As kyoko said, don’t wish for someone else, it’ll only end in failure.
Well that's terrible!
"i can go back before i met you"
... that is a pretty subtle way to tell Iroha "I wish i never met you this is all your fault"
I can't get over this line, it's like Kuroe wanted to spite Iroha one last time and have it hang over her forever.
@@zinzolin14 To be fair, people have a tendency to lash out when their soul gems corrupt, look at how Sayaka treated Madoka
@@deltahalo241yeah, though I think their soul gems clouding is an indicator of how much emotional turmoil they're experiencing. People tend to lash out and act irrationally when they're less emotionally sound.
that line fucking hit hard when i realized the truth behind it
Yeah, it was pretty much a declaration of hatred towards Iroha, for being the perfect Magical Girl and making Kuroe think she had to be like that.
1:37からを逆再生すると「魔法少女をやめられる。私たちはもうあなた達に救われなくていい。私はもうあなたと違う。私はもう」に聞こえる
Sadly, Iroha ended up giving the final push Ichizo needed.
She was so consumed by what she believed a magical girl’s life should be like and wanting to save Kuroe to make Ui happy, she failed to realize that Kuroe was miserable as a magical girl or how guilty and insecure she was after the encounter with Kuro.
Because of that, when Iroha implied that Kuroe should be the magical girl she believed she should be, Kuroe came to the conclusion she can never can never be that girl and witched out, thinking it as a better option then to continue being a ‘failure’ of a magical girl.
OMG YES! Iroha honestly didn’t have a clue.
@@tylermack4705 Actually…Now I think about it..
Before becoming a Magical Girl, Iroha was always dealing with Ui’s illness and the very realm possibility that she can die, so she made Ui’s happiness her top priority and ignored anything else that seems remotely negative or would shatter the happy illusion.
Her belief about magical girls undoubtedly came from the fact that she had saved Ui from her illness: She was so focused on her sister since she was her whole world, she didn’t really consider others up until she came to Kamihama and met Yachiyo and the others.
However, she continued to try to cling onto her prioritization of Ui’s happiness and her naive viewpoint of the world just so she wouldn’t have to acknowledge the harsh reality, even after learning the truth of Witches, being saved from her Doppel and seeing her friends suffering from their own issues. And because of that, she was unable to understand Kuroe, as she couldn’t see how badly she was suffering and was just essentially telling her to be happy so Ui (and by extension, her) can be happy.
Don’t get me wrong: I like Iroha. It’s just realizing this made me realize why her Witch doesn’t want to acknowledge anything: She was trying to live in denial of the real world so she won’t have to face the truth that things won’t go her way and that it’s not a happy place. And it took Kuroe witching out, Giovanna’s scolding, her friends encouragement and Ui telling her to live her own life for Iroha to finally let go of the happy illusion and face reality.
It's actually amazing. We finally have an example that saying "everything is fine! It's fine!" will not ALWAYS work. I loved this anime for actually letting people fail instead of every single thing going their way.
Kuroe's d3ath is emotional because is ao realistic
@@bondiibluu exactly, i like how it shows us a mirror image of how majority of us handle situations to the best of our ability.
It's creepy how at peace Kureo looked before witching out. Kuroe _wanted_ to become a witch at that point, as she'll finally escape being a magical girl. It's chillingly reminiscent of how upbeat people will appear once they've decided to end their own life...
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This scene was so heartbreaking. Especially Iroha’s face when she realizes she can’t save her and when Kuroe’s body is torn apart.
Yeah, Kuroe was already gone the moment she witched out. Kuroe wanted to discard her Magical Girl self so bad, that as Ichizo, she tore her own former body apart. The dangling arms at the end is especially gruesome.
No matter how many times I see it, Kuroe's body after she witches out is probably one of the most traumatic moments from the whole series.
Poor Iroha had to see the one person she tried to save get ripped apart especially when that person is someone who helped Iroha
@@phantom_servant7980 Tbh, I didn't like the gaslight the show tried to make flashing those moments between Iroha and Kuroe.
At the end of the day, Iroha didn't save Kuroe because she wanted, but because she wanted to please Ui. Iroha NEVER cared about Kuroe after S1 episode 2, when she stopped calling her.
@@eucalyptus2609 it was like a one sided love from Kuroe, Iroha could've done better if she wasn't obsessed with only Ui and focused on everything instead of just wanting to see Ui even if it wasn't guranteed she was alive
I agree, something about seeing a Witch destroy their own former body like that is brutal af
@@eucalyptus2609 this is such a black or white take on something with much more nuance than that. Kuroe and Iroha met once prior to going to kamihama together. following that, kuroe joined the wings of the magias and also never reached out to iroha to tell her about the dopple system or how to stay safe. once they met up again it was kuroe who stayed behind and then walked away after her dopple/dead friend (who she also only met once) told her she didnt matter. at no point does iroha know that this is happening to her. Ui asks iroha to save her friend. and so she learns kuroe is in trouble and does what she can to try and help
there was miscommunication and they were both wrapped up in themselves. but to say iroha didnt care, is just willful blindness to the situation
"I can go back to before I met you."
Life tip: Don't ever do things that would make people wish they never met you.
Yeah but you cant forget, these are young people, sometimes even children - they do dumb stuff, especially if they dont know better.
But in principle, yes youre right.
Except, you know, Kuroe is wrong here: shes lashing out at someone who is genuinely trying to help
@@memoryofsalem4474 Kuroe never asked for Iroha's help and Iroha never genuinely stopped to figure out what was wrong
reminder that Iroha technically is and isn’t at fault, as even if she was the reason that Kuroe witched out, Kuroe would have done that even without Iroha, since Kuroe thinks that Iroha is helping her bc of her power from her wish and Iroha can’t perceive that.
頑張るのに疲れた人間に頑張れというのは逆効果なんだよな。
Dear god this scene was dark. Magia Record is far from perfect but the way it deals with its subject matter is so raw and well executed. This scene and the fan girl going all glitchy (I don't remember her name right now) seriously caught me off guard because of how damn real they felt. I remember being annoyed at first that Kuroe didn't have her backstory laid out at first but realising that was intentional makes this all the more depressing. We don't know her full story. Iroha doesn't know her full story, and sadly she didn't have the self-awareness to realise maybe her attempts at positivity were unintentionally driving her friend further into darkness. This franchise always knows how to hit me in the feels man.
The girl in orange and using a pair of fan right? Then I think you are refering to Tsuruno Yui
黒江の気持ち分かるわ〜
こんな強烈な光を放つ、強い人の言葉なんて聞いたら絶望するわ
アンソロジーでいろは（優しい）がまどか（自己犠牲）にコンプレックス抱いてるの含めておいしい関係性。
嬉しそうな（？）顔で魔女化するのが儚さと破滅願望が現れてていい。
さやかちゃん以上に救いようのない（辛いという意味で）キャラだから別の世界線で救われてほしいと思うようになる
（その結末を知った上でゲームで課金までして手に入れたという。）
アニメ版はまどかが救うから。
I know she isn't that connected to her in anyway but the way she witches out and the description of her as a witch trying to reach something she can't reach only to repeat the process reminds me of when Homura witched out in rebellion
I always Called Kuroe
Homura without the plot armor
They are very similar indeed
Yeah
But Homura could reach her wish, she saved madoka and became the new goddess
@@franciscoperiale399 the witch form, the witch form, my guy. Did you read my comment
@@framedthunder6436 they truly are
Is no one gonna say that this is the first time we see a witch hatched from the gem while it's not in its "egg form". Both Sayaka and Mel turned into witches while their soul gems are in their "egg form".
Same for Madoka, tho i really like how their "egg form" suddenly transforms into a grief seed about to hatch
Also, isn't this the first time we see a witch (that has a labyrinth) outside of their labyrinth?
@@saulgerardo372 We saw Walpurgisnacht in episode 1 of the main series. Very powerful witches don't need a labyrinth which is probably why Walpurgisnacht, Kremheild Gretchen and Eve have no labyrinth.
@@gravel9270 actually they do have labyrinth but its so big that you cant see it.
@@apdroidgeek1737 I thought it was that they’re so powerful that they make the current area around them their labyrinth, basically having portable labyrinths
0:45-0:51 The pure despair in her voice as she says this line with tears streaming down her anguished smile broke my heart. The music only deepened my cracking heartbreak.
Yes mine too. İf only it wouldn't happened to her like this.
Kuroe deserved better hnstly
Why yes, she is.
I used to wonder what a Magical Girl who looked forward to becoming a Witch would be like (I’m really into body horror and the general aesthetic of Inu Curry’s art style so that’s what got the ball rolling).
But seeing Kuroe’s smile just before Ichizo comes out… I see now that the Magical Girl I envisioned can only be born from pain.
Born from pain even in comparison to that of most magical girls.
黒江はゲーム本編やアニメの主人公枠で活躍しているような、どんな状況に置いても希望を捨てないってことが出来るような強い心を持った子とは違って、真の意味で一般的な中学生の女の子
ゲーム2部の最後の方でひめなちゃんが言ってたような心の弱い子達で、アニメの方ではネオマギウスみたいな弱いままでも受け入れてくれて存在していて良いと思えるような環境が無かった上に、主人公チームと同じようにずっと希望を抱き続けて頑張る方向で励まされてたからこうなったんだろうなと…
この後のいろはちゃんの顔もだいぶしんどかった…😭
黒江の最期のシーン、グルグルや弾けるシャボン玉のようなエフェクトが悲しくも美しく見える
黒江はアニメオリジナルだから、ゲームでのハッピーエンドはなかった。
だからこそ、黒江には本当に救われて欲しかった。
こっちの時間軸にアルティメットまどかが干渉できていたら、黒江も魔女化する寸前で救済されてたかもしれない。
Woah, I love how they made Ichizo sound more unintelligible after being released. It seems more fitting, sad and disturbing.
Also love the change when her soul gem becomes a grief seed, we see Ichizo manifesting.
After watching it a few times, I’m starting to notice parallels in foils between Kuroe/Iroha with Homura/Madoka.
The pink and purple combination. Pink symbolizing childlike innocence whereas purple is unusually mysterious, fitting both of the pairs pretty nicely.
Homura goes out of her way to save Madoka from dying every timeline, no matter how hard it becomes.
Kuroe chooses to die while Iroha does everything she thought she could do to save her.
One failed but kept fighting.
The other fought and failed.
Magia Record might’ve had some poor moments, but it had a lot of amazing moments in writing.
In the mobile game, Kuroe has an attention-seeking powers which he also used to get the attention of her crush to date her. She ended her relationship with him out of guilt because she is basically tricking him.
I think in this scene where Iroha attempted to save her, Kuroe just thinks that this was just wher power influencing Iroha's actions. She may have also think that Iroha won't save her or even care for her if it wasn't for her attention-seeking powers.
That'll be another parallel between Homura and Kuroe because they both felt guilty of using their powers and don't get what they want and therefore never being truly happy.
My friend pointed this out to me, and with the ending of last birds hope, it seems that kuroe and iroha is just homura and madoka backwards. Perhaps in walpurgisnacht rising, homura will become a messenger of ultimate madoka like kuroe became a messenger of infinite iroha
I know its already obvious but jesus the way she said "How long do i have to keep being a magical girl" which is basically just "How long do i have to keep fighting/living" is soo ABSHDHDHD
なんでわざわざ魔女化した後に、元の身体を引き裂く必要があるんだよ…
そしてまたまたまた3話だよ、まったく…
One last act of self-hatred?
ねえ環さん、私、いつまで魔法少女を続けなきゃいけないの？
私が憧れた正しさは私のことが嫌いだった。
でも、これなら、私は私を嫌わずに済む。
あなたと出会う前に戻れる。
元々いろはちゃんは魔法少女になるはずじゃなかった。
このセリフ、いろはちゃんに出会う前にまどかの救済によってやっと魔法少女を辞める事ができるとも捉えられる。
ここのセリフの読み方、声優さんの演技が本当にすごいなあ
I mean bless iroha for pushing and trying, but I sided more with kuroe here. I also have a hopelessly gung ho positive friend and this is really what it feels like to talk to them sometimes.
It just really hurt when iroha kept saying magical girls are amazing and can do all these things when clearly kuroe doesn't feel that way. And to bring up wishes was just- aAH her wish is meaningless at this point, there's nothing for her to fight for anymore. Iroha pleASE-
On rewatching the series, I really noticed how many of Kuroe and Iroha's conversations were underpinned with Iroha talking about how Magical Girls should help each other. Each conversation making Kuroe admire Iroha more yet also making her feel more and more guilty for the girl she abandoned
iroha was a hypocrite, if things weren't absolutely perfect then she'd tear the whole system down
光属性ってさ、やちよさんみたいなタイプだと、綺麗事でも実行する人を見ると、それでもいいんだと思えて救われたり、
灯花&ねむだと、現実的ではないと思いながらも、枕ことばに(そうできたらいいんだけど)現実的じゃないよ。ってこういうプリキュアや、仮面ライダータイプの人は光属性に勇気をもらいやすいけど、
普通の子がそんなこと言われたら、これ以上自分をないがしろに出来ないのに、もっとやれって、強要されたように感じるから闇落ちしちゃうんだよなぁ。。
いろはちゃんはそんなつもりなかっただろうから、すれ違いが見れて、悲しかったな。
これがあったから、まどマギなんだと再確認したけど。
みふゆちゃんやさなちゃんなら、助けれたかもなぁ。
When I first saw this, I wasn't sure how to feel. It felt like the first time Madoka was cruel just for the sake of being cruel. However, looking at it again, I think it works. For as bleak as Madoka is, it hasn't really tackled suicidal depression up to this point, with the closest being Homura entering the labyrinth in episode 10 of the original show. Viewing this through that lens, Kuroe is someone who believes she has no worth and is just stringing people along. Iroha's normal words of encouragement don't work because it's only further enforcing how Kuroe views herself. It's horrible, but it's a very real tragedy, and it makes me wish all the more she had a happy ending. But I'm no longer upset with how it was handled, I like it quite a bit now to be honest.
Since it wasn't subbed in the simulcast, the text at 0:23 says "The way to become the proper magical girl"
Wait WHAT?!! 🥲
@@AlanArc Yup! "Tadashii mahou shoujo ni naru houhou"
Tadashii meaning right, correct, or proper.
@@someone-uz4mi so... Now i understand why Homura saying that "We've been tricked by Kyuubey"
So the main thing is Kyuubey try to convince "Innocent Girl" to believe that Magical Girl is always for hope! And bla bla bla...
Now the point of become Magical Girl is to "Survive" ...
@@AlanArc probably late reply but, "fuel"
This whole series has taught me that pink haired girls always end up with traumas
And the girls with black hair and purple eyes are sometimes the reason for said trauma
@@madokamiiii SAsuke and SAkura XD XD XD
@@madokamiiii zero two and hiro XD XD XD
I love Kuroe, an average not-too-inquisitive person who simply thought it would be a good idea to have a wish granted; but regrets choosing a life of hard labor from where there is no turning back; and who hates it all the more because she keeps seeing other magical girls that somehow cope with this life of eternal fighting to stay alive much better than her, either due to their nature or upbringing.
There's probably many more like her who turned into witches in a few weeks, but MadoMagi and MagiReco only show us her; most of the main characters actually "love their job", as it were. It sucks when it feels like you are the only one who both is kinda bad at fighting witches, and hates having to keep doing it to survive.
This is the same as Mami death on the original anime, no one expected this and it's so sad
Depressive
Her witch transformation is also depressing as Sayaka's except Kuroe wanted to be a witch to end her suffering while Sayaka had no idea she will become a witch.
There is a difference. This is more deppressing
To be quite honest, Mami's death was a shock but she actually kinda deserved it.
It made me sad I feel they could’ve expanded on Kuroe a lot. But it did heighten the stakes of their battle.
Ichizo (Kuroe's witch) looks like a dead pigeon. There's always something terrifying about dead birds.
probably her wish is HOPE.
not HELP.
White DOVE are symbolize as HOPE.
Just like that nighthawk in The Nighthawk Star who is ugly to the point other nighthawk hate him for sharing the same name, feel guilty for accidentally eating a bug and wished to be a star to not hurt anyone. Kuroe was too weak to fight Witch, her wished betray her and the fact that she can save that girl by give away her grief seed, but she choose not to and the consequence but a lot of guilt on her soul, thing got even worse after she found out the truth about magical girl, she now realized that her "death" also create a monster that will hurt everyone around.
This explain why Kuroe and her doppel slowly build up tower of mud below to get higher, she was too afraid to let anyone die because of her despair. *“Now, no one will save me. Now, I don’t have to save anyone. Now, I can stop being a Magical Girl.”* is what Ichizo said after break out from the so call salvation that was locking her from freedom, no one can risk their life killing a monster like her, she don't have to feel guilty for not saving other and the wish she made, the price she has to pay for that wish is no longer a thing she has to think about, and finally, she don't have to use this ugly body anymore.
After being freed, Ichizo has one last thing to do, flying to a place where her existence won't affect anyone, to be a blue star glowing brightly on the sky.
普通に魔女化してんじゃねーかよ！
ドッペル結界から外れた事と
いろはちゃんの励ましが
逆に黒江さんを絶望させてしまった事が
重なってしまったのが原因かと？
This is pure terror for just an simple shy and anxious girl
0:20 I cannot unsee the phone looking like a smiley face on the top of it
Kuroe: tells Iroha that she wished for the courage to ask a boy out and that she was immediately rejected (cuz she only asked for courage, not for the guy to like her back)
Iroha: Do you remember your wish?! You need to fight for it!!
Iroha girl you didn't even listen to your friend? Her sitaution is literally the shittiest
A, no she rejected him, she literally says "dont call me again" on the phone before fighting servant of anima.
B, Iroha is genuinely trying to help, not by reminding Kuroe of her wish but telling her that there is hope in the future. Kuroe refuses to accept the helping hand offered to her due to her own self loathing and becomes a witch
You are confusing Kuroe with Momoko. In the first episode of the anime, we see Kuroe saying that she wished to go out with the person she liked, and we learn in the game that Momoko wished for the courage to ask out her crush, however another girl asked him out before her and he accepted
@@memoryofsalem4474 Iroha still dug the knife in deeper, she never fully tried to understand her friend.
Poor Iroha never gets a break.
I've seen it so many times and it brings tears to my eyes.
Kuroe dreams and future was destroyed to become a Magical Girls 🥺🥺🥺🥺 This episode is called How long I become Magical Girls.
Thank you for adding the subtitles! Now I can feel the pain more :)
This part is so cool though!!!!!
灯花とねむをいろはが説得するシーンも出たら嬉しいなぁ
黒髪系魔法少女(黒江とほむら)ってなんか救われない...😭
Black-haired magical girls (Kuroe and Homura) can't be saved...😭
1:03 Minecraftのポーション投げられたみたいになっとる
I think the reason you see the impurities of her soul gem in her eyes is because the eyes are the window to the soul tbh I think I’m onto something
PS: I JUST REALIZED THE COLOR OF A MAGICAL GIRL’S SOUL GEM MATCHES THEIR EYES
The final is almost make me cry when i was watching this the final.
これマジで救われるって思ってたから、マジで辛かった､､､( ´･ω･` )
そんなんあり！？ともなった、でもこーゆー所がまどマギやマギレコ(アニメver.)の良さなんだよなぁ(＾ⅴ＾)
声めっっっちゃ可愛くない？ほら…なんか落ち着くような…( ◜ω◝ )(唐突)
@@NR-qy6pr 花澤香菜やし
1:37 Interesting, they made her lines pure witchspeak here by reversing and juxtaposing some of the original lines from the TV version. This was just muffled/deeper Japanese in the TV version, saying* :
"Watashi wa mou dareka ni sukuwarenai (I can no longer be saved by anyone)
Watashi wa mou dareka mo sukuwanakute ii (I no longer have to save anyone)
Watashi wa mou mahou shoujo wo yamerareru (I can now stop being a magical girl)"
* The "dareka" sounds more like anata (you) in the first sentence & kimi (you) in the second sentence; but since Kuroe never uses either pronoun for Iroha, it's probably just dareka (anyone). The English subs I saw also had something along these lines.
Has anyone tried to reverse the audio when Ichizo speaks? I'm curious whether it's just gibberish or if it's like with H.N. Elly where she's speaking in reverse.
in the tv vers it had translations like this and you can hear kuroe clearly near the end (adding an implication shes still very concious here) ofc its still audible in the bluray
"now, nobody can save me. now, i don't need to save anyone. now, i can stop being a magical girl."
@@maxwell-qn2if Pretty horrifying, but makes sense, as she wanted to become a witch.
Thank, really continue doing this type of videos
omg yuu
I always wondered what happened to the bodies half the time... I don't have to anymore...
I always thought the bodies became a piece of the witch like Oktavia in some timelines, Kriemheld or Homulily, I GUESS NOT
I remember that the human bodies remain intact, but just as regular corpses (seen with both Sayaka and Madoka).
Which was why I was so confused with Ui's transformation into Eve in the anime, since in the game, her body was still intact - which matches the original series.
@@someone-uz4mi in the anime it's probably because they had activated the doppel system already so she started doppeling out but that disrupted her role in the doppel system so she completely turns into a witch including her body which was already affected
@@illusionblossom7853 so Ui is basically become a witch that really connected to her body...
I'm crying. 🥲
Dreams are made to be broken
was the nightjar call at 1:54 always there, or just an addition for the blu ray version? either way, a neat detail considering the novel her doppel/witch is based on
It was in the TV version as well! I remember trying to look up which species the call was from when I heard it. Seems like the grey nightjar.
@@someone-uz4mi i thought it sounded more like the large-tailed nightjar, but it could also be the grey nightjar pitched down
@@cthulhumari I'll have to look that one up! I saw a video from a Japanese user who recorded a grey nightjar's call (that's the species they stated at least...) that sounded similar to the one here.
Kuroe 🖤😖
Haven’t seen this show yet, but I have seen rebellion and I’m wondering if this is a similar hallucination moment that Homura had when she witched out
True Homura in here last clear moment saw her self fail to save madoka and change into some one else
great scene, what comes after in the last episode was far to rushed though, wish they had done 5 episodes instead of 4
STOP RIGHT NOWEJLFNKRASFKS i miss kuroe sosososo much
i remember the scene from episode 3 the final season,that closed to the ending but almost none in the anime notice her:(
1:28
Ichizo, The Nightjar Witch, Her Nature?
Escape.
泣き
Kuroe😢😢😢
Iroha failed to save Kuroe.
くろえが魔女になった時に「輝く愛を抱き締めて」って聞こえなかった？
間違えてたらすみません🙇
確か黒江さんの契約の際の願いは
『好きな人と両想いになりたい』だった
...DAMN
I might actually watch this that was kind of sad..
ねぇ環さん私いつまで魔法少女を続けなきゃいけないの？
私が憧れた正しさは私のことが嫌いだったそれでもこれなら私は私のことを嫌わずにいられる
あなたとで会う前に戻れる
ワタシハモウダレカラモスクワレナイ ワタシハモウダレノコトモスクワナクテイイワタシハモウマホウショウジョヲヤメラレル
Okay so, everyone here seems to have misunderstood something. Iroha's attempt at positivity had nothing to do with Kuroe becoming a witch. Kuroe's despair is the fact that she refuses to try to improve: she says "I'm weak" and lets it at that. Her memory of that girl she met when fighting "servant of anima" thats then followed by a grief seed dropping to the ground along with a puzzle piece is meant to show that Kuroe had a grief seed on her, she could have helped that girl, she could have asked for her name and contact info, they could have become a team and could have been friends but Kuroe ran away instead, letting her own weakness stop her from helping someone else and possibly improving her situation.
The scene with Iroha and the rest of the cast placing the missing puzzle pieces is meant to show how Iroha overcame her weakness through team work and finding people to stay by her side, but when Kuroe is offered a piece she doubles down on her negativity and becomes a witch.
Thats why the last episode of season 2 shows Kuroe seeing Iroha as a puzzle piece, Iroha is everything Kuroe wishes she was but lets her own fear stop her from reaching out and achieving said goal.
In the end Ichizo is searching for a missing puzzle piece called "strength" that she can never find, simply because there isnt a mythical strength that makes you a better person, you become a better person by improving upon yourself and reaching out for help when necessary. No one is strong, not Iroha, not Yachiyo, not Tsuruno, no one. The difference is, the above mentioned reached out and found others to help them.
Ultimately Iroha's attempt at helping has nothing to do with Kuroe becoming a witch. This is no one's fault but Kuroe's. Much like Sayaka, Kuroe did this to herself. She simply screamed "I'm weak" and doubled down when given the thing that could help her. She refused to take the hand offered to her and paid the price in full.
I couldn’t have days it better myself
This is an extremely good theory! I love it and it makes a whole lot of sense.
There is not better comment than this.
I don't think the argument is that Iroha killed Kuroe in this scene, it's just that she didn't help. Not that anyone could have helped, though, as you said, Kuroe did this to herself.
Sayaka outright refuses to change her outlook from the fact she has other ways to go to other than catalysing her transition into Oktavia deliberately even with the others intervening, its only after a certain trigger while working for Madoka after her death then she finally understood from a different angle, hence her being able to let go from her obsession with Kyosuke and bless Hitomi in Rebellion
good
Can you add clips of the other witches, the anime exclusive ones? Like "Slave of Anima" and "Маруся".
What is the music when in Season 3 Episode 1 (We Have Failed), the flashback when Iroha makes her wish?
I noticed too that's theme is not released, i listened all soundtrack of the playlist and, for now, i can't found it, i have even the Bluray of the season 3, but nothing of that track, i thinks that maybe is of a movie of Madoka Original or something like that.
I haven't found that track too 🥴
Really? That's weird 🤔🤔
And it's such a good music
The birth of embryo eve
At 2:01 the birb flying forward kinda reminds me of Samurai Jack animation for some reason. 🤣
Does someone knows the OST when she witch-out into Ichizo at 1:00? Trying to look for it but can't find it anywhere
Kabenaran dan kaberadaan
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This is the ost.
@@hainuwele1207 thanks for the answer!
*Kebenaran dan Keberadaan, meaning The Truth and The Existence
I wonder, whats gonna happen to this channel now that magia record is over?
これマジで、心臓止まったかと思った。(自分が)
2:14 heaven's feel
Wait . was this different from the tv version ? I just feel like something is different maybe I forgot ( except for the better animating ).
Imagine Hitomi became a magical girl
Lol IKR
More effects there 😆
does someone know the ost played here?
What does Ichizo say in this Blu-Ray version?
I believe is something among the lines of "Now, I don't have to save anyone. Now, no one can save me. Now, I can stop being a Magical girl"
does anyone know the name of the ost that's at 0:20?
What’s the music when Kuroe asks how long she has to be a magical girl?
The Birth of Embryo Eve
Kessoooo. Magica Gaiden I love it and Kuroe, why not corrupt Iroha before you gone. Haishh. It's too early for you to do this. I'm very sad. I like you with Tamaki. Just try be a bad girl to her but.... Pout.
The one good scene in MagiReco
👍👍
Can you upload opening BD vol 1 and 2 where they add mikazuki and all member ?
Tried but this one is stuck inside the Uwasa of the Digital Copyright
@@displaynameMR oh no- we must fight that uwasa 😭!!
1:17 what is the ost track called?
kebenaran dan keberadaan
Linda mi esposa , al menos en el juego es feliz u_u,
They don't know the Inside thing yet
何でクロエを魔女化させた？
Hey, remember this girl from the first episode of season 1? Yeah, she’s an important character in this season. No, of course she wont detract from the characterization of the other already established characters.
Eh, I think Kuroe slotted pretty well into the Season 2 cast lineup, if there were any characters that detracted from the main cast then I'd say it was the original Madoka cast. I understand it's a whole thing in the game but the original cast are really only there to say "Hey look, it's a Madoka series" it feels like.
@@deltahalo241 Both the original Madoka cast and Kuroe detracted from season 2. Instead of focusing on the relationships between the girls we had come to know in season 1, we focus on a girl that we saw for, like, five minutes in the first episode and then never again until they decided to make her relevant.
Can you upload other parts?
最近視聴したけどクロエちゃん1番好きだったからこのシーンホントきつかった。
僕のソウルジェムが濁った。
What is your witch
ここのBGMってないんだろうか…
the birth of embryo eve
て調べれば出てくると思うよ
@@madamlady9786 気になってるのはその次のBGMですね…
その次のはkebenaran dan keberadaan
ていう曲だと思うよ‼︎
@@madamlady9786 ｱﾞｱﾞｱﾞｱﾞｱﾞありがとうございます…🙏
What is the ost name?
The birth of embryo eve and Kebenaran dan Keberadaan
Why Iroha had to kill Ichizo though? Not all witches murder people. Ichizo was just want to fly awau to the little bird star at 02:04 .
She should just left her.
Because as seen in rebbelion, when one becomes a witch they will be tortured mentally forever. It's better to get her out of her pain and misery
Sure they might not kill people but the familiars will do anything to become their own witches therefore killing people are repanding curses so it better to kill ichizo before it gets too late
What are you talking about? Yes they do.
She would've ended up 'dying' in her witch form (look up the description or the description of her doppel form) and it would've been much kinder to just end her misery now and then rather let her suffer
@@bondiibluu HomuraWitch want to kill herself. MamiWitch want to trap people with her forever. KuroeWitch just want to fly away into space.
Can't wait for the fans to meme on her as hard as we memed on basically everyone from the anime.
3기 결말 킹받네...
Am I the only one, who thinks Iroha's a horrible friend for Kuroe?
Kinda the witch was trying to flee into deep space so why kill her?