WHAT CAUSES YOUR TENNIS ELBOW AND HOW TO PREVENT IT
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- What is causes your tennis elbow and how to prevent it.
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For a while now, I had debilitating tennis elbow and wrist pain every time I played. I switched racquets and still had pain. I thought I was going to have to quit playing. But then I decided to strengthen my forearm muscles and rehab them myself. I took dumbbells, bands, even a heavy frying pan, and strengthened every possible movement (flexion, abduction, pronation). I no longer have any issues. I'm not trying to tell others what to do; just sharing my truth so that others don't have to suffer like I did.
Thank You !!! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@@BL-zw5oi Is it working out for you?
There is something very relaxing about watching this guys videos
His voice and pronunciation!
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Played with 2 identical stiff rackets last year and had elbow issues. Switched to more flexible rackets with multi filament strings and have had zero issues this year.
EAXACTLY TRY WILSON CLASH 100
@@MarkinDallas1 The Clash is great. 👍
I actually cant believe how much this helped, had some issues with my elbow prior to today, played this morning by losining my grip and no pain! Great stuff as always
Great advice! Thanks for these ideas and for taking the time to film this video 🙏 appreciate
The solution is counter intuitive. From my experience, you have to go heavier racquet, more flexible, and string more flexible too.
That will clean your technic AND reduce vibration.
Welcome to Tennis Spin, where we giveth the tennis elbow
Thanks for the information. Always good to see your videos
Thank you! Great suggestions!
Thank you for the advice, you have helped me a great deal with your tips! Cheers from Oregon!
Another great video : congrats ! Each day new advices : awesome : I love this channel and watch it everyday from France so thanks a lot.
I've had great results with the thera-band flexbar.
Thanks for this great topic.
I’m a physical therapy doctor (and a tennis player) and you nailed it 100%! Good job!
Also, switching to a more flexible racquet can help a little bit too. Stringing a little looser (with natural gut) will help as well.
But like you said, the grip and the backhand is the number reason that causes the pain.
to me it's as simple as how tight or loose you grip the racket. I loosened my hand's grip seperating the index finger up to 45 degrees away from the middle finger to cover more surface area of the handle and find it takes all the tension away of my arm. The looseness of my arm and grip doesn't clash with the vibration of the racket and somewhat cushions each strike of the ball. Hopes this helps.
Always providing us Gold;) good work mate.
THANK U FOR THIS VID!!!
Great tips, poly strings after a few matches and slice serves contribute as well, from my experience.
thanks for the great info. I will try large grip and hope help my wrist pain
That tip on chopping on the backhand slice is spot on.
Hi, I have been using a tennis elbow brace form LP support for my tennis elbow for 25+ years and it’s been fantastic. Without it I habe immediate pain. I can recommend it besides the ones mentioned in the video.
Keep up the great videos. I watch each and everyone!
This is the most fun, entertaining and informative tennis channel on CZcams (well for me anyway). All good information here again. But there is one thing rarely ever mentioned regarding this...the serve. I've pointed it out to a number of friends over the years, and though it took some time to correct, it eventually helped them to reduce the problem to a rarity. That being, not extending the arm fully in the upward motion nearing the apex of the serve. Keeping the elbow in a fairly, to extremely bent position throughout sevice motion puts unnecessary strain on the elbow, and results in a non-fluid motion. This seems to be a quite common problem for many folks, especially at the lower levels. This, along with keeping a fairly loose grip when serving, will help to greatly reduce problems with tennis elbow (along with all of Harry's advice).
Yes, that’s true. A badly executed serve brings lots of damage to muscles and joints.
I agree on grip-size often causing or adding to tennis elbow. I would add that a grip that is too small--or too large--will often cause one to hold the grip far too tight...
Yesterday, I played with a popular stiff racquet(RA mid 60's)with a popular stiff poly string and the grip was a hair on the small size. After 10-15 minutes, I felt my elbow get whacked with vibration. Immediately, I gave the racquet back to it's owner. I played my 17mm hoop 6.1 Pro Staff BLX with a newer softer strung co poly/multifiber string job. The hitting did not bother my elbow. I'm so relieved to avoid suffering a bad elbow.
Technique is also important.
But, one very inportant thing to understand is that since you have tennis elbow, that may mean that your other joints are weak. So if your shoulder is weak, and your wrist is weak, all the stress while hitting the ball is targeting the elbow. The stress is not being distributed equally to all the joints. So when the pain subsides in the elbow, I would highly suggest strengthening your rotator cuff and wrist muscles.
This is for long term relief.
Hello from Brazil! Nice videos, I really like it. Could you make a video about leather grips? Comparing some brands, checking the weight of each one, what changes with that extra weight on the racquet. I just bought a Yonex leather grip, but I still didn't install it on my Vcore. Cheers!
I honestly think the modern racquet materials are the main cause! So many pros wearing elbow sleaves now, having surgery etc. How is it that I can use my 10yo Yonex RD 002 and have no pain, and any new racquet i buy i get tennis elbow after about 3 uses. I've even bought different "arm friendly" racquets but nothing seems to prevent it. Technology needs too be changed, 10yrs ago we never saw pros with arm sleeves and injuries. Now it's so common!
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I bought the Quanta thanks to you. Thank you.
I had tennis elbow and golfers elbow, and I was using the Babolat Pure Aero 2017 racquets. I couldn't brush my teeth, I couldn't turn on taps. I changed to Volkl racquets and all my elbow disappeared.
I play with the V-Feel 8 and the V-Cell 9, around 25 hours a week, and have no arm issues. Funny how he is explaining how to fix tennis elbow while swinging a Babolat Pure Aero.
Great 👍 tennis 🎾 tips. 🙏😀
Great that you mention GRIP SIZE! Why? Because where i live people seem to not care about it. How? I went to Decatlon 2 years ago asking for a beginner racket. The employee did not ask about my grip size, i would not know by then, and did not measure my grip. As a result, i bought grip size number 1.
After a year, i accidentaly discovered rackets have different grip sizes and that mine is 3! So, i started playing tennis with a completely wrong racket...
What is even more amazing, is that my coach did not check my racket or asked me anything about grip size when i started tennis courses in the beginning or ever actually.
As i was not sure about my size when i bought a 2nd racket i bought one with grip #2 and i overgriped it after playing a couple of times.
And holding your racket not too tight is an excellent tip as well.
I liked the information but you didn't mention the tennis racquet technology. I suffered from tennis elbow for about 2 months about 8 years ago. A tennis pro at El Doral, Florida recommend I change to ProKennex Classic 5g because of the technology they use. I rested for a week and tried the racquet and within maybe 2 weeks the tennis elbow was gone. Of course my problem was not a major medical one only inflammation. Not a commercial for the ProKennex brand but it really works. I recommend it to several other players that were having the same problem and had the same positive result, no more tennis elbow. I hope this information can help some of you guys out there. Thanks to the channel where you can always find interesting and useful information.
Perfect timing for this video. Literally dealing with what I think is TE right now after a month of hitting with the Pure Strike 98 and 100.
My little bro uses the pure strike 18*20. I tried it too on a few occasions. For me its actually a timing issue with that racquet. I think you need that lift to create top spin with the pure strike. Almost none of his shots are flat. My guess is that it doesn't feel comfortable hitting flat shots.
i want to try pure drive/strike so much but have to keep talking myself down because of their arm-unfriendly rep.
@@Lunchpgap Ive literally been playing 20 years and never had TE until this racquet line. First and probably the last time I use a babolat.
I had that problem, the bandage helped. But there is an easy thing everybody can do: acupressure. There are certain points you can press on your arm and hand and it will help you a lot. There are books and videos that will show you how. It works.
A buddy of mine had tennis elbow so bad. He learned to play left handed.
Now THAT is commitment.
@@TestarossaMusicista Ii am considering that lol
Please teach us how to PROVIDE ourselves tennis elbow. That'll give us some instant relief
Thanks for the informative video. Could you do a video on string, tension, what the pros use and why? Thanks
You’re asking him to talk about something that he doesn’t have a clue about. He barely understands the concept of pro stock racquets.
How about string tension? , Thanks for the great advice on tennis elbow.
i went to the gym for 5 months, i play tennis 4 times a week and never felt any little pain, just muscular fatigue in the forearm
One thing that I find very helpful in lessening the vibrations and potentially avoiding tennis elbow is the combination of using thicker grip and a good dampener. And by grip I don't mean the size of it which was mentioned in the video but the actual "tape material" used. There are a number of thicker grips on the market that use gel technology and believe me that helps a lot with the vibration absorbance. Combined with a good dampener you will definitely feel the difference ;)
Todays tendency is to use smaller grips, because of the wrist movement on stroke production, tennis elbow is caused by bad stroke performance, hold the racket just tight enough without straining your arm and get a good stroke technique, hit the ball out in front, larger grips are cumbersome, use lower tension and multifilament strings, and low flex rackets...good luck
I’ve never had TE. The closest that I ever came was using Babolat RPM Blast. I used it for thirty minutes and began to feel pain in my forearm. I stopped using that string and never had any problems again. I’m a 5.0 player. Playing since I was 9 years old. I’ve played with polyester for many years, but never again will I use RPM Blast.
I’ve never had any elbow issues till I added a leather grip to add weight. It added about 25 grams and now my elbow has been shot for last 3-4 weeks. Tried taking time off, using a gut hybrid in a lighter more flexible racquet (pure drive vs. pro staff) still have elbow issues. I’m using an arm band now to get me through matches. Not sure what else to do to finally heal.
From what I saw, many recreational players who suffer from tennis elbow use a stiff, powerful racquet (pure aero, pure drive, etc.), and in order to get control they string it with a stiff poly at 55 lbs or so. Then they hit with poor technique, stiff arm, overgripping, hitting a lot outside the sweet spot, and poor mechanics. Recipe for disaster.
True! That was the case before I switch to Speed Pro 18x20. I started with APD with RPM blast in 55lbs. The racquet was forgiving enough for me to swing it hard anytime.
After years of training with Speed Pro + multis/gut, I don’t go for off center hard hitting anymore.
Now I feel like I am ready to go back to Babolat Pure Drive, but definitely no freaking stiff co polys on stiff racquets anymore!
Babolat racquets and co polys did bring tons of players into tennis, but they bring more to the hospital.
Is the slice tip actually correct technique or a correction for tennis elbow? Looking at slow motion footage of pros they start with a bent elbow and straighten it out to contact.
I have had tennis elbows since 1998.....the biggest contributor in my personal opinion is stiff racquets and strings with high tension...change your racket to a more flexible one and keep your string tension between 48-52.... after you recover,push ups prevents future bouts of tennis elbow....
Good points, but a wrong grip like continental grip for top spin 1 hand backhand I think will cause TE . No?
Hei, which exactly model of 2xu u should buy? I find alot, but dont know which exacly i need. Can someone help? With link too buy, best in Europe. Thx alit for help
Massage the elbow area using your fingers before and after you play every time...You have to massage very deep using stiff fingers until you feel the nerves/tendons...use circular and lateral presses with your fingers...
interesting. i thought i got tennis elbow from slicing too much on the serve. i didn't think much of the back hand slice. i have been hitting that way all my life. i also have a strained rotator cuff, from tossing the ball too out wide, and continuing the slice serve. learning the slice serve really messed up my shoulder and elbow. after i figured out the slice, my elbow seems fine now and it is only the shoulder.
Which tension will help for Tennis elbow, close to 22 Kg or high tension close to 27Kg?
Where do you buy autographed racquets?
What about hitting kick serves?
Good stuff!
What about flexible rackets?
Yup. Babolat, especially the banana is pretty stiff and less head light than others, and can be murder on your elbow, if you already have issues with your elbow. Ultimately I find bad technique to be the main culprit of tennis elbow.
@@nikolasb5111 great comment
If I play tennis frequently my elbow will get pain at the upper side bone area, it is not as you mentioned muscles, is it a kind of tennis elbow ? bend your elbow at 90 degree it's exactly the corner of that upper bone area, it's score when I press
Hi Tennis Spin, Don't the strings also cause tennis elbow (polyester for example)?
Stiff Racquet + Stiff String + High Tension = Tennis Elbow (Tendonitis)
Flexi Racquet + Flexi String + Low Tension = Tennis Elbow (Tendenosis)
Somewhere in the middle = No Tennis Elbow
Also using a bigger grip helps with tennis elbow and wrist pain
@@bretts5571 lol once I turned to a bigger handle racquet I had no more wrist pain
I play with 70+ ra racquets. Used a Profile for a long time. I string kev/poly @ 86/86lbs. So i pretty much max out your Stiff racquet + Stiff String + High Tension idea. But no tennis elbow. Why???
2 major reasons. 1. Handle is huge. Its 5 3/4. Yes, 5.
2. High swing weight. Its around 400.
Cleaned up some strokes and stretch everything but big grip and high sw are key.
I have a wrist problem, my elbow is fine. Dont have quanta in my country. What to do ? I play with Clash 100 because of it but it still hurts
i tried wilson trinity balls, they seem harder on albow, can you verify that?
I had pretty bad tennis elbow thanks to tennis and heavy weightlifting. Rest didn’t help, topical creams were temporary, and massaging didn’t help.
The one thing that really helped was supplementing with MSM (methylsufonylmethane).
Within a few days it was already significantly better.
Where is the video where you tape up? Not sure what you mean by taping hand? like the fingers or? I have a very big issue with grip strength as I cant seem to loosen during contact.. Almost like im forcing control in the shot by gripping tigther
what about wrist pain?
A grip that's too small OR too big can lead to tennis elbow because it forces you to grip the racquet too tightly. With today's game, if you have a modern or next-gen forehand mechanics, there's a lot of wrist flexibility that's involved and a smaller grip has been the direction that a lot of players have headed. While a smaller grip will increase wrist mobility, again, if the grip is TOO small, you'll end up having to grip the racquet tighter. Honestly, everyone should be thinking about what it means to hit the ball with little effort. I play with an RF97, which is stiff, with a hybrid setup. And honestly, I've had no issues, even after a 3-hr hit session in 90+ deg heat. Work on what an effortless swing looks like. Do shadow swings. It should be free and flowing.
Also, what wasn't said in this video is that tennis elbow is an inflammation of the tendons near the elbow. This isn't a MUSCLE problem that you can massage out. So, don't put a Theragun to the site. Get on some anti-inflammatories (aspirin, ibuprofen) to reduce the swelling. Periodic treatment with ice will also reduce the inflammation.
Lastly, if you're having issues with your elbow, it's usually an indication of something that happened distally from the elbow -- i.e. shoulder or wrist. In the case of tennis elbow, it's often the wrist. That said, while you might strap up the elbow, it's best to immobilize the wrist -- anything that causes flexion of the wrist is going to irritate the tendon.
You don't need any creams or straps. Just rest it. Ice it. Some ibu/asa. Keep the wrist neutral. You'll be back in a few weeks.
wilson triad rackets are good for tennis elbow
In 2002, I returned to tennis to coach at a high school where I was teaching. Practiced a lot with our girls #1 who made it to the state finals. I bought 2 racquets from a church friend. The RDC rating was high. My inactivity and the stiffness of racquets were a recipe for tennis elbow. BTW I always used gut strings when I was younger playing tournaments.
what racquet did you keep using
@@robsthetics It was a Prince Equipe. Stiff frame with oversized head. I use ProKennex now with multi-filiment strings.
TheraBand FlexBar is a GREAT device in treating Tennis Elbow and Golfers Elbow. Look up Tyler Twist for the exercise to follow. You’ll thank me 😁
I confirm Flexbar are great to heal tenniselbows !!
A lot of people get tennis elbow and lower back pain due to muscle imbalances. My lower back pain left me with rollerblading.
I've been having an issue where my shoulder is getting tired at the end of matches which causes lack of power and control. I use a clash with poly/syn gut at 46 pounds. Any ideas how to get rid of this? Is it just a conditioning or strength issue?
The first thing is to check your grip. Make sure you are using the continental grip for serving and that these two points - the base knuckle and heel pad lines up with the bevel in a straight line. Another thing to look at is supination and pronation when serving - your forearm actually rotates like a spindle or unwinds like a spring. There are many videos that explain the motion. The last thing is stepping into the ball when hitting groundstokes - STEP then HIT. Hitting on your backfoot can lead to un-natural motions. There are many more things to look at as well: grip size, takeback of racket and follow through, too light a racket, stiff strings like poly & stiff racket frames.
what no Thera-Band Flexbar shout-out? maybe too gimmicky but seemed to help elbow and arm issues back in the day to recover/strengthen.
..."our spin on your tennis". speaks nice! james bond couldn't do any better! very cool!
I thought another reason for getting TE is using a racket that is too head heavy. Is that not a factor?
Racket weight, grip size, types of strings, string tension and technique (i intentionaly skipped racket stiffness) play a huge role in developing or avoiding tennis elbow. All, except of technique, can be taken care of from the 1st day you decide to learn and play tennis. You just need to contact and get advice and tips from the right person. Don't let tennis elbow develop and then try to understand what all these things mean like me. If your tennis coach does not advice you on any of the above just find another one. We are talking about our health here! If you go to buy a racket, before talking to your future coach, and the sales person does not check your hand size (or sex and size) in order to give you a racket with the correct grip size and specs then move on to another store. He will definitely also skip the string type selection and string tension setting. Dont waste time, money and above all physical well being.
Why do you want to provide tennis elbow? Did you mean prevent? lol
Howbout tennis shoulder?
I changed Clash 100 to Blade 98 and I don’t feel soreness anymore. Clash is super headlight and not as stable as Blade which bad for arm. Blade has less vibrations and shock as well.
Clash 100 hurt my elbow, worst racquet ever.
@@robertclary1718 yes 100%
For an old schooler, you are using semi western grip. You must have grown up using eastern grip. Why did you change it?
First step is to see a physician, not a coach or a pro shop guy and definitely don't research about it on the Internet, (CZcams included) because you need real professional advice after scans as pain in the arm "can be" related to more severe underlying conditions or something totally different.
But Harry is right in the way to prevent Tennis Elbow from incurring, play with softer rackets, play with softer tension, use softer strings but most of all, hit your strokes properly with the racket sweetspot, if you are learning or inconsistent with this hit softer shots against a wall, practice sweetspot accuracy before you start hitting with power or you may have to stop playing tennis altogether after awhile.
A strange thing happens to me with the grip sizing. I possesed a old volkl from high school days and it was a 4 1/4 but the grip was a bit smaller than what I'd like it to be. So I boguht a 4 3/8. The thing is that everytime I was playing I had to remove the overgrip because it was too big and gosh, even after that, it was still umcomfortable. I might come back to my 4 1/4
Using a grip thats too small can lead to wrist and elbow pain
@@bretts5571 so can a grip that's too big.
I love the regular typos
Welcome at tennis is spin
I'm inclined to think that most tennis elbows are caused by poor arm extensions during service and forehands, rackets, and strings, string tension. For some ppl, it might be nerve impingement too.
"what is causes your tennis elbow" 😂
Where can I ask a question? I already pm you in IG lol
So you could have included your forehand as a sure way to develop tennis elbow. 😀 🤗
Such a troll you are👎.
@@bournejason66 but he’s so right.
@@bournejason66:Well he gave me a thumbs up for being honest! And knowledgeable!!!
Why nobody talking about arm exercises? You can easily get rid of TE or prevent it if you exercise your arm in a proper way. Racket, strings, technic are all important, but it’s also super impotent to exercise in a proper way.
The tape thing you say is interesting as in comparison to Nadal; he has a loose grip and a lot of tape.. hmmm
His wrist is taped at all times under his sweat band. He says he still has pain in his wrist. Mostly because of four things. Very head heavy racquet, RPM Blast, and that weird ass whippy forehand. Also, he uses a very stiff frame.
...and the other thing you (conveniently) forget to mention: stop using super stiff frames like Babolat's strung with a full bed of polyester. But seeing that you keep on pushing these products, I'm not surprised you omitted this.
Like your videos. But you are 100% wrong. Increasing grip size increases likelihood hood of injury to forearm extensors. Doctor in Canada and tennis player. It’s a trade off that you don’t want people experimenting with. Smaller grip size, gut strings, less stiff frame, hitting in front etc..: some good advice. You don’t want the grip too small - for example the 4 1/4 is too small for you clearly. But please don’t advise people to go up in grip size. This is not advisable, especially on a one handed backhand and slice. Also on the volley larger grip sizes increase the axis of rotation around the elbow joint.
Check the title once more, "is causes". 😉
How bout TORODOL????
Damn Dunlop ATP balls are so F-ing heavy
I’ve been playing for 10 years and I got it for the first time a couple weeks ago. Although, I am 38 now lol. I Haven’t played since it started. I want to heal completely.
You will have to wait for 3 to 6 months to heal...can you wait that long...
@@niceguy5430 I'm on month 5 myself your right it takes forever to really heal a tear or strain in the tendon.
Wait a week or two, maybe three. And it’s better to make exercise for tennis elbow to prevent soreness. There are lots of CZcams videos.
If you feel pain in your elbow.... you should stop playing tennis for two to three weeks to let it recover. If you need pain killer, anti-inflammatory get, acoxia (yes it will cure you in 3-5 days with prescription but bad for your liver. You don’t want it unless have to) . When you stop playing, you should think about your skills. Maybe take lessons from a coach, maybe play again at lower intensity. Figure out what went wrong and correct it. Guts, tension, racquets all may help. But everyone is different.
Looks like you were hustling to type the title.
You forgot the obvious ones: Playing with dead strings and dead balls! I have seen guys playing with old tennis balls and they feel like rocks. I know a guy that hasn't restrung his racket in a year!
Doubt it
2x playback speed FTW
Also. Try to keep arm straight when sleeping so you don't pinch the nerve
Nice Rafa bag in the back
You mean Prevent ???