Can Judging types have ADHD too?
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- And, if so (and I certainly think they can//do), what does that look like; what might that look like vs. neurotypicals of the eight Judging types and people of the eight Perceiving types within the Myers-Briggs Temperament Indicator model who also have the disorder?
If you think you know anything worthwhile about it, please do weigh in with your direct experience and/or up-close and multiple observations in Comments.
I have always tested as a P and it wasn't until I learned about Jung's cognitive functions and realized NiFe fit me ridiculously well. I think that because I wasn't capable of achieving my J standards I decided that I preferred to be more P. It wasn't until I started developing time management skills that I learned that I actually prefer planning ahead but didn't want to constantly feel like a failure so I must have detached from it somehow. I wasn't diagnosed until I was 40 so I'm still untangling it all. It can be quite overwhelming!
Very yes. I'm an INFJ with ADHD, but I also have two collegues with ADHD. One of them is an ESFJ, but the other is an ESTJ. The last one was actually ridiculously hard to type because of it as he goes against a lot of stereotypes.
This video was really spot on for me anyway. I also cling to my routines rigidly, always making lists and kicking myself whenever I forget something.
Thanks so much for saying, Drecon84!
INTJ with ADD here, it's a gift and a curse. lol
What is the hardest part for you and how can others help? ☺️
How is it a gift? Genuinely curious ☺️
I'm an INTJ(T) and was diagnosed with ADHD as a child. Yeah, not a fun childhood (also had a very impatient INTJ father). Since discovering the MBTI types, it had me questioning my diagnosis. My official diagnosis was 'a successful psychopath with ADHD', but after discovering the INTJ personality type from my test, it seemed to fill all the gaps almost perfectly. I'm still discovering and understanding myself, but thank you for making videos like this which really help to provide insight into the strange creature I am
I have ADD I thought I was a psychopath too until I learned about emotional intelligence 😂👌
Thanks for discussing this! I'm INFJ with ADHD, and can certainly say that your statement at 1:45 is SPOT ON. Do I prefer a structured, organized environment to operate it. Yes! Does that mean my home office is perfectly organized? LOL, no. In fact, much of my internal turmoil and distress comes from not being able to meet my own expectations. I spent many years trying to reconcile my "tendency to self sabotage," thinking that my impulsiveness was a conscious undermining of my own larger goals, a kind of self hatred. Since I got my ADHD diagnosis, I've been totally freed from this self hatred! Now I can much more easily differentiate between what is my intentional behavior, and what is my impulsive or hyperactive expression of ADHD, and I'm much more forgiving of myself.
For what you bring up at 8:48, my hyperactivity + "dreamyness" tends to express itself more as hyperfocusing. That is, I might spend hours and hours researching, or playing a video game, or cruising through CZcams. My BRAIN is much more hyperactive than my body, and I struggle to turn my brain off or set it aside. I feel a constant need to have some stimulus coming in, like music, a podcast, a CZcams video, etc. Even when I am doing homework/chores/creating art (output), I'll often be "multitasking" by allowing a controlled distraction into my world. That's usually familiar music, or some monotonous phone game, something that doesn't take up my full attention, but which quells my anxiety by providing something for my busy mind to grab onto.
Also for 8:48, I keep a bullet journal and check it multiple times a day, to make sure I am on track and haven't missed anything important. Because, I'll forget. I'll definitely forget.
For 10:45, emotional disregulation is certainly a huge struggle for me, at times. I think a stereotypical ADHD emotional disregulation would be an angry outburst, yelling, a tantrum, etc, when it's not warranted. I think the "Fe" function really prevents this kind of stereotypical ADHD expression, though. My disregulation can be suddenly amplified by the strength of my "Ni" function, and presents more as sudden and extreme sadness (ex. suddenly ridiculously insecure or afraid, clingy and needing comforting), or sudden and extreme introversion (ex locking myself in a bathroom at work or at a party because I have to be alone RIGHT NOW). Once I'm not grounded, having a weak "Se" function makes it hard to recover a sense of being grounded.
At 12:00, I don't find this true, but 12:40 is right on the nose. I LOVE making plans. In fact, I have a PROBLEM with making plans. It feels so satisfying to make the plan, a really, really good plan, and look the plan over, and be totally sure that it's an amazing, well thought out, just totally perfect plan. The big hurdle around this is more activation based. Once I've gotten excited about the thing, learned all about the thing, gotten a plan together for the thing, and maybe even set a date and time for the plan to be put into action....! I don't activate. I don't DO the plan. I already got the "Ti" function thrill of getting the plan together, and now I'm bored and ready to move on to something new. As a result, I spend a lot of time planning stuff, and not a lot of time getting things done. This is basically the worst with grocery shopping and meal planning. Today, I'm excited about the idea of fajitas, and I'm having fun picking out the ingredients, but when the day to make dinner comes, I don't want to make the dinner. In fact, to be successful at feeding myself, I have to toss out my planning addiction all together, and embrace the impulsiveness. If I'm excited about fajitas right now, I need to make fajitas RIGHT NOW.
Great video!! Thanks for discussing this.
That was a really interesting and 'meaty' comment, Kayla Davis.
Thanks so much for your feedback.
I only learned about emotional dysregulation recently and it explained a lot. How one moment I'm happy as a clam, deep in my head over something I'm working on and then I'll trip over something and start yelling and swearing for 5 minutes and then be totally fine again after that.
This was amazing and soooo helpful! Thank you for taking the time to illustrate and comment on each of these. I've been trying to understand someone who is both an INFJ and has ADHD, and it's been so difficult to find good information about it. This sounds just like what he's described and I've noticed though, so it's all starting to make sense at last.
Thank you!
@@marq6929 I absolutely agree with you
Loved this, extremely helpful! And I think it’s so cute that you’re an ENFP with so many INTJs watching. 🌷
@@baronvonlichtenstein No, but my best friend is. I’m INTJ.
INTJ, ENFP, and INFJ folks go together really well. We're all different and yet on the same wavelength generally.
Also, it totally fits that the INTJ would be analyzing and explaining it all for the others lol I'm an ENFP, but my mom is an INTJ, and watching this video felt really similar to talking with my mom, because we love theorizing and hashing out psychology.
@@marq6929 Agreed :)
INFJ with adhd (diagnosed at 39) it’s frustrating because I have such a strong desire to finish things but often lack the ability to finish the few final pieces. I get stuck in my head...but then also feel extremely guilty about it.
It also is confusing to people because although I’m an introvert..I have a hard time controlling my emotions and when I’m excited about something I seem very extroverted. Then after I feel embarrassed because I didn’t really prepare for the experience.
same! you sound a lot like me, except i was diagnosed younger with inattentive adhd. i also have non verbal learning disorder, which is similar. but yeah, i wanna finish my creative projects and just can't. i get perfectionist and/or distracted. heck, i can even visualize a successful future for them. but...i often struggle to finish them. doesn't help that i don't take medication. when i did, i was having nightmares.
i also have trouble controlling my emotions when i'm excited and can talk someone's ear off and was even told by others that i am a great public speaker. but overall, i am very shy and introverted and can struggle with one-on-one talks. it's frustrating.
Same here! How many times have i thought, "why did i talk so much in that social situation? I just wanted to sit and listen and instead i talked my head off!" then i feel super self conscious about what other people think and then i detach from that into obliviousness 😛
Jen, i was diagnosed at 40 and I'm still untangling the pieces of my life and the profound way my add had affected me. It's genuinely exhausting. And there are soooo few infjs with add it's hard to find anyone who understands...
@@82jp it certainly is...no one really gets me. I've been doing some research and learned a lot from Dr. Barkleys information on executive function. I have a theory...let me know if you have this experience. Adhd directly contributes to intuitive/infj abilities.
My reasoning is this, just like a blind person can compensate by having increased hearing, a person who has reduced frontal lobe resources...aka executive function could compensate by developing increased reliance on the subconscious or back of the brain activity.
We have learned to rely on our gut feelings...because we cant always rely on our logical decision making. It often requires more executive function fuel than we may have available.
One of the problems people with ADHD have is filtering out relevant information. Its like seeing in full spectrum...colors that we don't need to see. Our subconscious doesn't really forget this information...its picking up puzzle pieces that no one else noticed along the way. Its like we are working on a puzzle we didn't even know we wanted to solve.
I can often predict problems...as in I see consequences, but more than most. I can feel impending doom but often cant say why. I'm generally right though.
@@jenwipf729 I have often said that I know I'm right about everything; I just don't know how to communicate it so that it does any good 😊.
INTJ + ADD, can confirm all that you've said. Thank you for putting it out there!
Thanks for your feedback on my proposals!
Yet another INFJ with ADD/ADHD (inattentive) here, and also a vegan.
Despite being a very confident/extroverted introvert, I find my limitless empathy is nothing more than a (for want of a better word) curse, when no-one else respects life the way that I do.
ADHD is a challenge in its own right, but when paired with this personality type, it can be very difficult to manage, as others below have mentioned.
For me, the main problem, other than being mistake-prone at work, is in anger-managment. While I'm laid-back and jovial most of the time, when my temper breaks (at least half a dozen times a week), very foul language follows, and is often paired with destructive tendencies.
I feel absolutely ruled by my emotions, and incappable of controlling my temper.
UPDATE: Despite being highly sceptical, I've turned to meditation and it has turned my life around, quieting the constant chatter in my brain which I thought was normal.
What a difference!
Medication has definitely helped me! Do you feel like you get more inspiration though? When my meds are active I feel like I get more optimistic and more ideas come my way. The good news is meds help me take action.
@@jenwipf729 Hey Jen. That's good news, indeed.
I'd say that meditation definitely inspires me as well. At first, meditation did nothing for me and I gave up after an impatient week.
A year later though, everything changed when I bought a meditation experience/game (sort of)) called TRIPP. It's a virtual reality experience, so you need to have a Playstation 4 or other VR setup to play it.
CZcams it and see what you think. I simply cannot recommend this enough!
It changed my life, and continues to do so, since I use it almost every day.
The experience works through a variety of visual and relaxing, evolving environments, gentle binaural music, an optional (male or female) voice which imparts wisdom, lessons, and breathing exercises and/or relaxing games.
Not only do I always feel better after 10 or so minutes, but also within the first few days of using it my mood lightened, the egoic voice became quieter, and easy to control, and the temper flareups non-existent. I'd highly recommend mindfulness whenever you're going about a simply, repetitive, or monotonous task/job, too.
In the last five months, my personality has shifted dramatically as a result, into very positive, focused (when I need to be) waters.
Another life-changing source I've discovered this year, are psychedelic experiences. These have allowed me to grow emotionally and spiritually (I was a staunch atheist) in sudden realisations, with occasional, incredibly rewarding emotional outpourings.
I can't know how you feel about these substances, but I don't like to hear them called 'drugs', since they're not best utilised if they're being taken for fun. These experiences are rewarding when the aim, or 'intent' is to learn about yourself, the nature of the universe, and to grow emotionally and spiritually.
For most, 2021 hasn't been the best of years, but for me it's been one of the most important years of my life. An absolute game-changer.
I only hope that I continue to grow, and that others find the same, or their own, paths to where I am, and beyond.
@@paulgreen2401 lol when I first read your post I thought it said medication NOT meditation. I guess we see what we want 😜.
I’ve been really trying to understand my mind or tap into where all of the seemingly random information/inspiration comes from. I’ve been watching demos on the ganzfield experiment. Or similar brain altering experiments. I’ve been to chicken to try it alone. I’ve never tried any type of VR but am interested. I just have an iPhone I’ll have to look into glasses or something!
I started using delta 8 for sleep and I’m very sensitive to it! 1 gummy knocks me out for 12 hours. I’ve found that a quarter of a gummy helps me sleep but doesn’t kick my butt. It does seem to stifle my dreams though. I’ve always been a very vivid dreamer. The mind is amazing!
@@jenwipf729 I hadn't heard of the Ganzfield experiment, but having just watched a few youtube vids about it, I've got to say that I'm interested.
Yeah, dreams, or dream recall is seriously hampered by the herbal remedy.
Like you, I love the surreal worlds of my dreams, but I haven't remembered many lately, lol.
The mind is indeed an incredible piece of kit.
INFJ with adhd, definitely check and recheck and recheck pretty much obsessively. Organized space gives me less things to worry about in my mind. I used to spend 30 mins looking for my keys but now they always go into the same place. The adhd symptoms are almost over corrected with compulsive behaviors but the purpose is to cut down on opportunities for anxiety.
It is true we have issues with attention regulation but it’s not a lack of attention, it’s more like a flexible hyper attention. It’s almost like being on high alert all the time. This doesn’t really fit in well with mundane tasks.
A good example of the adhd INFJ in action: there was a time I spotted a purse snatcher before my gf at the time got robbed. I was able to spot him, notice his behavior was irregular, realize his goal, and effectively box him out. The would be thief ended up walking right beside me and kind of looking me up and down with this combo of disgust and respect and disappeared into an alleyway. It was crazy how he vanished, definitely had a plan and was carrying it out. It astonished me that I was able to notice what was happening and act in the moment instinctively. I don’t have any training in these types of things and from my perspective this guy was a professional.
I directly attribute this to a combo of my personality and adhd. I’m very adverse to confrontation like all infjs but it’s like a switch flipped when I perceived someone I loved being in danger and thought left my mind. I never in a million years would have considered my self capable of such a thing until it happened.
I don’t tell this story for any bragging points because I’m sure luck was a factor but calling it a disorder is misunderstanding what it really is. I believe scientists are right that it’s an adaptation of the brain. When it comes to being innovative, abstract and creative it’s an exceptional asset. It enables me to put things together in a rapid was that would be required in a chaotic environment or life and death situation perhaps.
I believe this would directly contribute to survival in combat, hunting and gathering situations. Adhd makes you naturally clutch but due to the lack of dopamine we need the stakes to be high to act and because the amount of stimulation is less we are more calm.
At least that’s what I can gather from personal experiences and what I’ve learned in my brief studies on the matter. I’d love to hear opinions or counter arguments to my point. The topic is fascinating to me and I’m always opened to learning more.
@ Boxie 13 "It is true we have issues with attention regulation but it’s not a lack of attention, it’s more like a flexible hyper attention. It’s almost like being on high alert all the time. This doesn’t really fit in well with mundane tasks."
Oh, don't I just know it! This perhaps explains why I lose my temper constantly at my work (it's the definition of a monotonous job).
Well done for your handling of the thief. We do tend to read situations well, don't we?
INTJ with ADHD.
so on the outside, I look like INTP.
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i NEED a plan, & it NEEDS to account for every single thing that could possibly go wrong.
and all I should be left with is EXECUTE.
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but... i suck at making plans, & find it hard to do things that are boring unless it's addictive
so, i'm stuck in an endless loop or anxiously planning for everything that could go wrong.
I feel you
How.can others help you? Friends, partners, family, etc?
INTJ male here. I’ve ADHD. I also have a 96 percent preference for judging over perceiving.
quiet similar! I'm INTJ female with ADHD and 93% for judging.
@@shabrinagozan what percent is your preference for introversion?
@@t-man5196 76% how about you?
@@shabrinagozan 70%
@@shabrinagozan I just recently found out I have aspergers and the psychologist who diagnosed me with it doesn’t think I have ADHD. He thinks it was a misdiagnosis and I agree.
INFJ with ADHD here.
Bang on the money; INFJ and most likely ADHD, awaiting official diagnosis
I enjoyed this series; the work you're doing to raise awareness and empirical understanding of a frequent, yet poorly understood phenomenon that effects millions is commendable Enid, thank you.
Thanks a lot for taking an interest and for your kind words, Joshua L!
I am diagnosed ADHD as an INFJ. My father is ESTJ and clearly has ADHD. I think the biggest thing for us is the stress that it causes the J mind trying to organize and plan. Yes, very much so on increased checking and rechecking to make sure that I did not miss a detail. Often then making me late. And I have lists upon lists upon lists. I will say that my impulsiveness was not clear to me until I got onto medication. I think this is because my Fe picks up on how my impulse control impacts social interaction. One example, is when I worked in a school, I would get an idea about how to more effectively work with a student and immediately jump up to go talk to the teacher. I interrupted a few classes, before Fe helped me override impulse. I would literally picture a bar across my legs and force myself to either write the idea on a list or email the teacher instead.
Fascinating. Thanks for those contributions, Celeste Lundergan.
Oh man I can relate to this too!
I'm currently in the process of understanding that I'm actually an ENTJ with extreme ADHD so I've gotten to the point where I've just given up because I can't accomplish anything unless I use hyperfocus which is a fleeting and temperamental. I also may have high functioning autism which has made this whole experience even weirder.
My sibling is an INFJ who had ADHD and they've been doing pretty good at managing it.
I've been tested three times for personality- always ENTJ.
And last year I finally sought and received a diagnosis of ("off the charts") ADHD.
It can be very difficult! I know what I need to do and I'm qualified but I can't seem to get crap done.
Ugh! And more unusual is I'm a woman. So I'm often characterized as a bossy, disorganized, artsy, quirky and... bitchy. It's hard to find my place.
Yes 100% accurate. INFJ here. I have no diagnosis and I've considered it before, but due to your stated objections etc it was dismissed. There wasn't a single thing that you said that did not describe my life perfectly. My brain has always felt like it had faulty wiring.. the most frustrating and embarrassing thing is when you lose attention mid way through a conversation and feel terrible having to ask what you're talking about.. or worse, getting caught trying to bluff...
The point you mentioned about having no sense of time... MOST of my issues are centred around this. And I've always known I didn't experience time in the same way as most people. It is such an abstract thing for me to grasp.
I would love to function better as a mother. Get my child to school and bed on time.. life would be so much easier.
I can confirm that I incessantly write lists. I have 2 diaries, a calendar, and a journal in my bag, along with stacks of post it notes, HIGHLIGHTERS, pens, and bunches of paper print outs of info about my latest obsession.
I am very intelligent, I was top of several classes in highschool, was rejected the music award, despite being top of class, due to the percentage of late days... I was financially unable to go to university after having gained entry into physiotherapy and life has led me away from the realm of study and into the realm of TRYING to be a good, stable, reliable, attentive mother who trusts herself to meet her child's needs and wants, to a personally satisfactory standard. I want to give her everything I can but I keep failing and failing. Having said that, I have made progress over time, but it is excruciatingly slow and I'm unsure how I can ever reach my goals, and your confidence is incredibly low.
What's the most effective place to begin seeking diagnosis?
Many things in your comment really tug at my heart, Nicole Harrison, and I'm sure they would lots of other people with ADHD, too.
Generally speaking, the practitioners most likely to know anything up-to-date (or possibly anything more than any Joe Schmo who reads the newspaper would) about the disorder would be developmental specialists; neuropsychologists; **child** psychiatrists (F.Y.I., counterintuitive, I know, but adult psychiatrists, as a group, are likely to be the most ignorant about it), and GPs who treat a lot of kids with it and those kids' parents, and/or any physician you've got a good rapport with who's done or is willing to do a good amount of independent and recent research about the subject.
As one expert in the field noted, unfortunately, this is probably the only mental illness where _the patient_ will routinely find herself having to educate the _helping pros_ about the disorder.
For this reason -- and because medication is just a small (but important, 'no down-side,' and very helpful!) part of ADHD management -- I recommend getting informed about the disorder and recommended b-mod stratagems and tools for better living with ADHD yourself before you even try to get a professional assessment. This way you'll be armed with info to give you a much better chance at not being obstructed from medication warranted for you (in the event it is), having your concerns ignorantly dismissed, or otherwise being malpracticed upon.
I think a good screener question for getting an idea of who knows what they're doing and who doesn't -- and one unlikely to ruffle feathers -- is to ask the doc what s/he thinks about the executive functioning deficit theory of ADHD. If their response is to look at you blankly . . . 'Next!' If their response is an immediate, 'yes,' followed by some exposition about that, then 'Bingo!' :-)
Per getting informed and lots of ideas and info about what helps, I recommend Russell A. Barkley's CADDAC lecture '30 Essential Ideas for Parents'; CADDRA Clinical Treatment Guidelines; the 'Driven to Distraction' book series by Drs Edward Hallowell and John Ratey; 'FAST Minds: How To Thrive If You Have ADHD (Or Think You Might)' by Dr. Tim Bilkey et al.; the useful and inspiring FUBU info and resource site TotallyADD.com, plus the terrific podcasts by Ari Tuckman at adultadhdbook.com.
Hi again, Nicole Harrison. In case you might be interested, here's a fantastic lecture by developmental specialist and researcher Dr. Patricia Quinn, 'A Hidden Disorder: Women and Girls with ADHD' (2011):
www.brown.edu/campus-life/support/accessibility-services/video/adhd-women-hidden-disorder-patricia-quinn-november-10-2011
I have to ask people what I was talking about ALL THE TIME. I can so relate to what you're going through here. I dunno if you'll see this or if things have gotten better, but step 1 is to be VERY GENTLE WITH YOURSELF. How your brain works (or doesn't) ISN'T YOUR FAULT and you have to work exponentially harder to accomplish every day tasks. So rejoice in what you get right instead of focusing on what you're doing wrong. If you're not living under a bridge, you're doing great!!!
ENTJ. Finally realized I'm not an ENTP. VERY OBVIOUS!! ... ... (Finally, after waffling back and forth for many years)
Also, you are spot on in your analysis from everything I can tell (personal account).
I definitely feel more like my type when doing things I am passionate about. So when i think about my role in that way, everything falls into place as it should with my preferences because I'm just so focused on doing the thing that I love. Everything else in life lags behind. And yes I have to be rigid with time because I without it, I fall off very easily and get distracted. Finally, i had to put this video at 1.5x speed.
I think you are brilliant Enid. Psychology isn't an exact science and there are a lot of conflicting studies and "expert"opinions. Therefore I am often more impressed by insightful independent speculation that arrives at the same conclusion.
Aw. Thank you, Gord Thor. For watching and your comments, too.
I have ADD and am an INTJ just got diagnosed so am working through it but I agree with what you have said.
Your two cents is worth a lot here, tameka king. ;-) Thank you.
I'm an ADHD INTJ.
Is it harder for you to finish projects because of this as well ?
As if i needed more reason to love your channel, you open up on the grand subject of ADHD. Living with both Idiopathic Hypersomnia and Major Depression, having watched your initial series released last week i couldnt help but to be inspired to draw up a follow up video to my initial living with I.H. This go around however ive been filming in a more artistic fashion vs traditional vlog so more to follow on that and of course if you ever wanted to view the first hack its still up on my channel. Im not gonna ramble here because a comment sections just not going to hold the amount of things that came to mind while viewing your series. Plus who needs to read a books worth of INTJ thoughts right? lol On this specific video however i do have an offering inline with the manifestation of ADHD and Judging types. I know of one INFJ who was diagnosed with ADHD maybe a year or two back and she typically has to have so much structure behind whatever it is she has to do. Everything from cooking to cleaning had a specific order and if that order was disrupted shed get overwhelmed falling into this loop of beating herself up and feeling low on self worth. It was also a thing dealing with others where as of she was around someone in need of something it was almost this obsessive need to do something about it right then and there dropping whatever necessity she had on a personal level in exchange for going on this whole checks and balance drive ensuring they were well taken care of on all sorts levels...."Well this is because of that and that leads to this which then connects to that and lets do this and that and this etc etc" Theres more i could add to that but i always felt it was just her drive to take care of others or liking order until we got to know each other on a personal level and hear the rest of the story. I...WE thank you for being so upfront and sharing everything you have. Its not easy doing so especially when your passion is in the world of the mind. There seems to be this disconnect to where if people speak on these kind of subjects they need do so perfectly and have it all framed, structured, lined up and presented with precision and its silly. What about those of us who are living with these mental conditions? Are we not worthy of speaking on such subjects because we cant always have this line for line precision? I dont feel that would be correct. Which i feel makes you a champion of the people actively living and thriving with these things. Chive on indeed my friend.
Thank you so much, Thee Parris Hill.
My best friend is an ISFJ that was diagnosed with ADHD as a child. I think the problem stems from parents and teachers not knowing how to interact with a very sensitive child.One example:I was at a party and didn't know hardly anyone,so I was standing there observing when a young boy (about 10 years old) asked me is I wanted to play a game of pool.I learned that it was his house and his grandma was standing by the pool table.I had no idea that he had ADHD (he seemed like a bright kid)and assumed he knew how to play pool since he had a table in his house. He didn't have a clue,so I "calmly" showed him and I remember his grandma saying (in a very calm voice),"listen to what this man is saying". He caught on so quickly and we played for over a hour with no incidence,but then his father came in and said,"what the hell is he doing on the pool table".
The boy panicked and started to repeatedly swipe at the ball and he was hitting the felt instead of the ball (the reason he wasn't allowed to use the table).The boys mother came over as well and informed me that he has ADHD so he can't use the pool table. The boys grandma was the only role model that understood him. It was sad,because the boy only got hyperactive when his parents overreacted.
That's a very interesting anecdote, Gord Thor.
It's a minoritarian view, but some (the very inspired physician and author with ADHD himself, Gabor Maté, immediately springs to mind) believe ADHD to be an adaptive dissociative coping strategy for very sensitive, insecurely-attached children with epigenetic predisposition + stressed-out, volatile parents (at least one of whom very often has the disorder themselves, making daily life much harder and more chaotic, and stress much harder to manage
i am infj with adhd . i think like youseid you can have a prefrence to somthing
I see how my judging personality has lead to some inward neurosis having gone through trauma. Healing has helped me to live out loud despite this. Everything has a place, but it takes great effort to keep it that way.
YES
there, video done
INTJ here, with ADHD… I don't have the fidgety hyper part, just the ADD. You really struck me at 6 minutes in. I need things to be tidy and organized, but my ADD if untreated doesn't do this and I can't seem to keep it under control. This makes everything worse for me and messes up my ability to function. If I'm taking medication I can keep organization under control and feel normal.. If not.. It's absolutely devastating mentally.
Yes, it is.
This is just one of a billion things, really (ha), and who cares -- who but me should? But I found myself becoming frustrated the other day, having been stimulated by a run-in with a really intellectual old INTP ex of mine followed by some reading of his curatorial selections. I wanted badly to be able to think the fascinating ideas through better, but I could not follow the chains long enough to complete the process. My brain would interrupt itself, as it does. It made me sad that there's such a stopwatch on how far I can follow through cogitatively without the use of clunky, slow, virtual prosthetics such as writing everything out in a complex chain, then revising and revising, and reviewing.
You're not alone in experiencing those difficulties you spoke of, that's for sure.
Thanks for saying your piece, VirtuousGlean.
I'm an INTJ with ADHD as well!
I was diagnosed in middle-school, but never placed on medication since my parents didn't think it was a real thing.
I ADORE the thought of being organized, but trying to maintain that organization when your brain won't let you... ugh!
I have ADD too (found out like two months ago) but I don't take anything for it...its hard, the mental warfare that goes on sometimes then I just pass out etc when it gets too much 😑.
Just because you have a temperamental preference for something doesn’t mean you have the ability to actualize that preference. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Thanks for the feedback, Joy Gipson.
@@EnidFPatternson of course. I have ADHD and strongly suspect that I’m an INFJ.
Enid, your videos on your battle with ADHD struck a very sad chord (literally) with me. I am INFJ and ADD, and have also dealt with high anxiety, depression and other issues that were circumstantial to my environment. As time has gone by (now 62) I find these losing their grip on me substantially, however the aftermath of 'damage' done is not to be forgotten or removed.
I wanted to add that my struggle with self esteem was always a problem. Looking back, I have found the best 'therapy' would have been to not hide from these issues, but to tell your truth to those who you care enough about to tell. Telling it like you are doing is a wonderful way to separate those who you want in your life and those you definitely don't want! Ha! The cream of the crop will surface quickly and believe you. Also, telling your truth can only help you and others who need your understanding and support. Thanks for sharing.
Julie Buckalllew, thank you so much for sharing of your experience. It really does move me.
High anxiety and depression coexist VERY often in adults with ADHD. So much so that in a professional development workshop for mental health practitioners I attended, the two psychiatric/clinical-experts in ADHD presenting could not emphasize enough how non-existent to ass-fracking-backwards (not exactly their wording ;-)) tends to be assessment and treatment for adults with ADHD, _to this day_.
They underlined how urgent and important it was for attendees to screen each and every one of their clients who:
-- have failed to respond to multiple SSRIs
-- have a history of recurrent dysthymia
and/or
-- have social anxiety disorder.
Further, if it is revealed via a properly in-depth patient history-taking and symptoms rating scales-based evaluation that a client does have co-morbid ADHD, they need to take that *very* seriously, and treat their client for that condition RIGHT AWAY.
I wish anyone had had their shit together to recognize your ADHD and help you too, years ago.
It sounds like perhaps you're not too upset (anymore?) about your debilitating neurological condition having been totally overlooked by helping pros and educators for such a long time. If that's so, more power to you.
Per the last part of your OP:
In case you'd like to know, in an all-day presentation by clinical expert in ADHD, Dr. Ari Tuckman (check out his podcasts on adultadhdbook.com sometime -- they're awesome) on integrative treatment for ADHD in adults, the "fourth pillar" of such an effective integrative treatment plan was "Psychotherapy: To heal lifelong scars" :-(((.
(The others: [1] education; [2] medication; [3] coaching.)
P.S. per No.2: In stark contrast to all the utter bullshit of controversy out there in pop culture about how unsafe or terrible or joy-killing could be psychostimulant therapy for people with real-deal ADHD, it is *very* helpful for about 80% of those who try it, and there is ZERO downside to trying them.
If you were to try several different doses of different ones (and a doc caring for you as s/he should per best medical practices should be supervising the trying out of several, in quick succession, until anything significantly helps your performance without making you feel like you've drunk way too much coffee)
and,
if at any point you were to say for any reason, 'I don't like how this feels and the benefit of taking these isn't worth it to me,' then any traces of the cheap generic methylphenidate (or whatever of the other agents and formulations) could be completely out of your system in a matter of _hours_. No fooling.
(And, no, I am not a shill for any pharmaceutical concern! :-) These drugs have been on the market for 80 years, and data to support what I just said is very ample in the medical lit. Once again, the main problem is ignorance. Too few people -- doctors and patients, alike -- are bothering to LOOK. Psychostimulants really are safer than Aspirin in those not at a substantial risk for heart attack or seizure.)
Thank you also for your kind and wise words, Julie Buckallew.
Hi again, Julie Buckallew. In case you might be interested, here's a
fantastic lecture by developmental specialist and researcher Dr.
Patricia Quinn (who herself has ADHD and who only learned of it in middle age :-(((, 'A Hidden Disorder: Women and Girls with ADHD' (2011):
www.brown.edu/campus-life/support/accessibility-services/video/adhd-women-hidden-disorder-patricia-quinn-november-10-2011
I am an entj and has probably light adhd, I recognise myself in what you described.
Thanks for your feedback, Anna F.
I hope you are doing well now against your ADHD... If i understand correctly ADHD is inability to relax and concentrate...
As INFP (or possibly INFP/INFJ) really enjoyed your videos about INFPs))
Thanks, Lizzard 880! I'm glad you're getting something out of the videos.
Yes, people with ADHD have a hard time relaxing.
It's not so much that people with it can't concentrate. A little-known symptom of the disorder is that we sometimes can focus abnormally intently and for abnormally long, continuous spans of time (such that we may even forget to eat or pee!)
Your conception is the common one. Unfortunately, ADHD is very many times more complex, serious, and debilitating than that, if untreated and unmanaged on an hourly basis with b-mod.
Having ADHD means the executive functioning system of your brain -- the
highest order of brain functioning, and the last to develop
evolutionarily -- is forever on the fritz. Fundamentally, it means you
are not in proper control of your own consciousness.
More precisely, ADHD is a neurologically-based, permanent (in more cases than not), developmental-delay, performance disorder that interferes with your ability to self-regulate on every level and in every domain of life so that it is very difficult to consistently and to a developmentally normal degree, self-organize your behavior towards obtention of mid-term and long-term goals important to your own welfare.
In unpredictable and uneven fashion, dependent on many situational and 'who knows' brain factors, it makes it impossible for you to -- unassisted, that is -- be in reliable control *of where your attention goes, and for how long*.
Plus a whole lot of other crap things, like having diminished short-term working memory; items from its 'clipboard' being unreliably transferred to long-term memory storage; an overactive amygdala; attendant sleep-phase disorder; a tendency for loud 'background' noises and itchy tags in clothes to drive you nuts (because you can't screen extraneous stimuli out properly//you're too sensitive); 'time blindness' ( = not feeling the passage of time the way other people do) . . . the list goes on and on.
Though extensive and rock-solid longitudinal medical data has been in about all this for some time, for various systemic reasons, the word about just how serious it is (let alone "real"!) has yet to trickle out and down through the medical profession and society at large. Most people still think ADHD is a Mickey Mouse health concern, when in fact (according to world-renowned psychiatric specialist and researcher in it) Russell L. Barkley, it is, hands-down, the most serious outpatient psychiatric disorder that exists per damage to a person's quality of life.
You stole my bookshelf motiff. >:(
:D
;)
I know! I really bit your beyond-berserk book-shelving style, didn't I? ;-)
(This 'natural history' effect of type similarity made me laugh so when I started watching _NFGeeks_ last spring, that I pointed it out to friends to whom I'd recommended your channel. When I started my own, it was the inspiration behind ep. 1 of my 'Positive i.d.' mini-series. :-D)
Yep. My husband (INTJ) was diagnosed as a child and diagnosed again as an adult with adult ADHD.
I didn't know much about ADHD before I married him, but I started to take it more seriously after I started living with him and saw how he was REALLY navigating the world in a different way than is typical.
Yeah, it's something. It never stops but for brief periods of time, the involuntary mental waywardness.
It must be hard on both you and him at times.
Thanks for speaking of your experience. I know a lot of other INxJs with it have wanted to hear from me and others who live with it. And you do, though your executive functioning be fine.
I'll mention just in case it would be of interest to anyone you know or anyone else reading:
I've recently discovered a new, very inspiring and useful and uplifting ADHD resource for adults (I mention all my other favourites in comments under other videos on this topic) -- ADHD ReWIRED -- a podcast of interviews by LCSW, counsellor, and coach with the disorder himself, the adorable Eric Tivers. www.adhdrewired.com/podcast/
He also runs online coaching and accountability groups which I bet are tremendously helpful to a lot of people. I'd join if I could, and have long had in mind to do something similar but just locallly and in a kind of phone-tree, peer-to-peer format.
I have to say, when I happened upon this trailer for the groups, I burst into tears. There's such a need for this, I think. Virtually none of the helping pros know how to help people like us. But Tivers has totally got it right with the accountability concept.
czcams.com/video/fvHDCxczZWc/video.html
Thanks for letting me know about ADHD ReWired! I sent the link to my husband. I plan to look into it with him. I checked out other videos connected to it and I was so moved watching people's stories. I often joke that I'm an ADD magnet because several of my friends have it. I feel frustrated when people misjudge them.
One of my very few internet fights was when someone was saying ADD can be "cured" with some "darn good spanking."
I was beside myself.
All those helpless children out there who are being damaged by that kind of thinking by adults who "don't believe in ADHD." It's heartbreaking.
I am thankful for you and many others who are working to bring awareness about ADHD. My husband was traumatized as a child because most people back then just did not understand.
Thank you so much for your compassion, advocacy, and greater than usual interest in this, Chandra. (MUCH greater, from the sounds of it.) It moves me.
That's neat that you expect both you and Jeff (sp?) will get something out of Tivers work. What he's doing really is great.
Since you're that interested, I'll do one more plug here for another fantastically helpful, supportive, medically up-to-date -- and often funny -- podcast for adults wanting to feel and live better with ADHD by PsyD. and highly experienced clinician, author, speaker, professional development trainer specialized in the disorder (who doesn't have it), Ari Tuckman. His podcast can be listened to here: adultadhdbook.com/ He was one of the presenters at a cont. ed. workshop for mental health pros about ADHD that I attended last spring. He really impressed me.
Another wonderful resource site offering all manner of excellent tips and various experts' advice -- as well as comedic sketches from the site's creator, a long-time TV producer who got his ADHD diagnosis only in middle age, Rick Green: totallyadd.com.
(By the way, there's a really interesting _ADHD ReWIRED_ podcast composed of separate interviews Eric Tivers conducted at a conference with Rick Green and his loving, neurotypical wife Ava about how ADHD affects both their personal and professional relationship: czcams.com/video/RGF1FrtjiCY/video.html)
Tested as ISTJ as a teen. Tested as INTJ as an adult. Either way, I was diagnosed with ADD and autism.
Scratch that, I'm actually an INTP.
Yes I am an INTJ with both ADHD and bipolar disorder. The former magnifies my Ni and hypomania gives me superpowers. Lol
I’d rather just be a plain old INTJ
:-)
That sounds very difficult. 🌷
ENTJ with ADD 👋
Thank you, Good Sir.
Ouch ☺️
Im an INTJ with auDHD (I have a diagnosis)
life is pain xd
Hi. I have ADHD and have recently identifyed as NIFJ
"NIFJ"
@@EnidFPatternson thank you
I am INFJ/INTJ with self diagnosed ADHD. Also Enneagram 5w9 and as per Vedic Astrology Virgo Moon and Ascendant and Pisces Sun.
Reason for two different MBTI is still unknown to me but initially it tended towards INTJ and now more often INFJ. I agree with what's said.
@Zombie Bombay Thanks for the feedback. 🙂
Intj with adhd and Virgo too. So weird how things are conected, I also see the pattern most adhd are infj
I'm INTJ, and I have what's known for being 'introverted subtype o'ADHD'.
I literally couldn't find any mention of this subtype. What's the difference between this and good 'ol regular ADHD?