Are 5.0 Mustangs Faster Than Scatpacks?
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- In this video I talk about the many many Challenger Scatpack vs 5.0 Mustang roll racing videos on instagram, ticktock and youtube shorts and the boatloads of comments calling Scatpacks slow.
I often do not comment on CZcams videos. Making an exception here. Many comments I read are often from viewers who don't own either vehicle when a logical comparison is made or comments are made from viewers that have a blindsided allegiance to a particular brand. However, having owned a 2004 Mustang Mach 1(Manual), 2014 Mustang 5.0 Premium GT(Manual), 2012 Challenger 5.7(Manual), 2016 Challenger Scat Pack 6.4(Manual) Shaker and my current ride, 2023 Challenger RT 5.7 (Auto); your dissertation is spot on. I have experienced first hand exactly what you eluded to as far as the powerband and RPM range of the comparison. 60-130 MPH roll race will almost always favor the high revving ~8K rpm of the dual overhead 5.0 Ford. But I don't find myself going 130 MPH on the highway...often...It's 95% light to light. Chevy Camaro, Ford Mustang or Dodge Challenger... They all have their niche. My current ride fills my niche for now but I love them all. As a side bar... Dodge Challenger, designed in America and Assembled in Windsor, ON Canada... Ford Mustang, designed in America a partially assembled in Mexico. Great to be a Canadian, Mexican or American.
Appreciate the comment. You're spot on. That's the great thing about these cars is they are all awesome in their own way. If you can't have fun in a Mustang, Camaro or Challenger you probably don't belong around cars. Different personalities but all very cool. I'm from Alberta, I always thought it was cool that my Challenger was built in Canada! Cheers!
And the infamous TREMEC transmissions are built in Mexico.
I’ll take the high-revving Coyote over the LT1 or 6.4 Hemi. There’s just something special about a V8 revving out to +7K RPMs. Easy to mode, huge aftermarket, and just fast.
Each engine has its own personality that will appeal to different driving styles. There’s no question Ford did a great job with the Coyote, it punches well above its weight and cubic inches. With it being able to rev so high you really feel the momentum of that horsepower in a way you don’t at 5000rpm.
@@TrackPackRT 💯
The mustang is fun up high but down low stop light to stop they are boring to drive..
@@viziocamaro Not really. This is were gears also come into play, so with 3.55s, they are definitely less 'torquey' s-2-s, but with 3.73s (which what the performance variants like the PPs, Mach 1s, GT350s have) it makes them stout for s-2-s. But most of the power is still at top end, specially for the Voodoos. The GT500 is a monster all around tho. They're all so much fun to drive, specially with the right exhaust, and that's another big selling point. The Mustang V8 sounds like no other (the Mach 1s and GT350s are 🔥).
@@viziocamarothey really aren’t 😂
I have a 21 ecoboost and they’re known for their torque, 350 torque stock and about 450 torque with fbo. Test drove a scat and fell in love with it because I realized I love that low end torque. Never thought a ecoboost mustang would make me want a dodge lmao
The ironic thing between the mustang gt guys vs the scat pack guys is that they are so close in performance that calling one slow would be like calling the other one slow as well.... Scats usually stock vs stock win from digs at track and mustangs usually win from rolls but not by much literally a couple car lengths. I like coyotes more personally because they are just better to build in boosted applications but saying the 6.4 is slow when you have a stock mustang is crazy lol.
@@tylerspecht7553 well said.
I think the roll racing is just more popular because there is less worry for wheel spin compared to dig. Also just more accessible than a drag strip for most.
Definitely have a point there.
Nothing better then revving 8000 plus RPMs in V8. Technology DOHC makes this possible for everday working middle class peeps.
The wave of hp momentum when you get into the upper RPMs is a cool feeling absolutely. I was really impressed with the feeling putting a new cam in let me still make great power to 6000 RPM instead of mid 5. 7000 plus is another thing all together.
Regardless, these modern V8 muscles will let you drop a gear and disappear without spending 100k… that’s American. Nobody does it better at these prices.
The hemi is just a better street engine. Bottom end gets it moving and throws you back in the seat. When I bought lil sisters 06 RT Charger I was amazed how hard that heavy pig could move and now I want one to drop in my Dart. With s thousand pounds less weight even the early 350hp version like mine would make that car a beast on the street and it has better gears and a old school clutch type sure grip, I could probably even use the 727 I put in behind the factory 318 with a lot of tweaks and bolt ons.
A newer hemi or a 6.4 in either car would be great fun.
For me it's the fastest car I've ever owned and it's smooth and quiet while doing it. Just wish I could get better than low 12 mpg in town driving it easy.
You’re right about that! That’s why you see so many mopar guys going with 5.7s and 6.4s in their classic mopars.
I know what you're talking about I'm a mustang man, but I'm also an auto enthusiast. I can admit a roll race plays right into our hands, but you also have to admit there's a considerable the weight difference too.
Most mustangs come in under 4000 lbs and most Mopars are 4500lbs or heavier. That's why a lot of the hellcat and red-eye packages came w/ carbon fiber hoods and trunks to shave off some weight. Mopars have always been heavy cars dating back to the 60s, it was pretty much an even playing field w/ everyone running pushrod engines.
You're absolutely right when the dual overhead cams came into play it gave us an edge. I'm a track racer, I care less about the drag strip or roll racing. It's over too quick, (that's what she said, lol) the track also play into the mustangs wheel house. I'm hanging w/ a beating high priced exotics. That really pisses them off, a car less than half the price beating them. While I'm lmao at them.
There is definitely a weight difference, but Dodge has always tried to offset that by adding more power. The Scat still has a lot more torque and a bit more horsepower to deal with that weight, honestly it's impressive it pulls as hard as it does off the line when it's got to move 4000+ lbs. The nice thing is each car has a distinctly different personality and excel at different things. If track racing is your jam the Mustang or a Camaro with a 1LE package would definitely be more ideal. Drag racing is more my thing, I've been doing it for so many years, I love the acceleration and the tension on the start line before the tree drops. Still I'd like to take my car out to the track and just have some fun with it. The nice thing is having an earlier model R/T the curb weight is only 4100lbs as opposed to some of the heavier and newer widebody mopars. Still not ideal but a little better.
Outstanding perspective my friend. I literally just went through it with my challenger scat against mustang GT...you are so on point man. Thank you again.
Thank you! 🙏🏻
If you want to stay n/a get a camaro, if you want boost get a mustang, and if you want a hemi get a hellcat
This video deserves more likes
Auto scats are the best. More gears, faster shifts, the manual clutch on scats are STIFF.
The torque converter really gives it an advantage at the drag strip. Much easier to pull great 60’ times in an auto vs the manual.
@@TrackPackRT True that, honestly I do believe these cars shine as autos, it helps reel in and make up for the weight of the car. They have the highest top speeds due to the higher horse powers but in the mid ranges they don't shine as much as they do at digs and top outs.
Mustangs don’t make less torque because of DOHC. It’s literally is the smaller
Displacement.
For example Toyota and Nissan truck V8’s both make peak torque sooner than their 5.7 Hemi and 5.3 GM pushrod competitors.
Sam car legion is also awful at driving Mustangs.
How about a 2012 super bee I heard there quicker than the new scatpacks sooo…
I own both. 24 GT 10R80 and a 21 Challenger Wide Body Shaker Scat. My Stang beats it above 80mph and steadily pulls away. My 21 Supra beats my Scat as well and is dead even with the Stang. I love all 3 but the Scat IS the slowest of the 3.
Thanks for the new video, you raise some excellent points as always. I for one enjoy punching my car around time only to get up to the speed limit quickly. Nothing illegal about that! So glad spring is finally here. Hope you're well in AB, I have been hearing of some nasty forest fires out there.
You're right man hard to find more of a fun car to drive around town than a Challenger! Thanks for the well wishes, the fires are out of control here. Many people from towns across mid/northern Alberta are evacuated and in Edmonton right now. We need rain bad! Take care. 👊
Unfortunately, unessesary accelration is a road offense.
I still see stock 10 speed mustangs gap scat packs from a dig .. the 5.0 stock run 11.6-11.8 and a 12.2 with average drivers
@@samadagoat7769 usually it’s if the scat couldn’t nail its launch I’d imagine. They’re hard cars to get to hook. Both cars are so close but have different sweet spots in their power bands.
Nice to see you back.
Thank you sir! Been a little busy with the band back in the studio but I'm still kicking around getting ready for the upcoming season!
Low end no top end yes!! N they are lighter. An im a mopar guy I have a Durango RT love it best family SUV for a muscle car guy
It is, what it is. From a dig or on a roll, im still taking the GT. Better shot at winning either race with the 5 liter.
Their after market support is extensive. Up top is where they really shine though.
You said it. Run your race. Scats are from a dig and mustangs from a roll. Most Scat owners know this but they still manage to get in a roll race.
Do a couple mods for the roll on races like headers and a tune and your good to go.
Best place is the legit track either a 1/4 mile or at least a 1/8 mile.
Absolutely! I feel bad for people who don't have a track near them. How's the T/A shaping up for this season?
@@TrackPackRT I just put on a new Pro Comp single plane open plenum intake manifold . Noticeable gain from 2500 rpm and up. Got a Holley 850 double pump that I will be putting on to take the place of my Holley 770. Should really help the 461 stroker. I should be in high 12s.
Our NHRA 1/4 mile track closed permanently ( Atlanta Dragway) at the end of 2021. Been open since 1975. Closest track is 2 hrs away. Really sux. I did buy a Dragy so I can measure my improvements.
There dead accurate. My brother and I will trailer both Trans Ams to the closest track and run a few times. He has the turbo 76 TA . His goal is 8.9 @ 150 and mine is 12.9 @ 105
Great video, I also never understood this damn 3 honk bullshit. The guy honking has the upper hand if only for a second, but as we know every second counts.
Absolutely! One thing racing at the track for so many years has shown me it’s that even 2 tenths of a second better start is a massive advantage. That’s a blink of an eye. But it’s huge. Whoever takes off even slightly first the other car has to make up that time and then some to over take. Well said.
I know our scat pack is a beast 60ft. But not bad top end.
Hell yea! 💪
The problem with the scat pack is power to weight ratio. Dodge doesn't know how to build a car.....
I think the reason the Challenger stands out so much and is so popular is because it's what the Mustang isn't. If it was small like the Mustang it wouldn't have the same appeal. Having said that shedding some pounds is a positive thing, but hard to do, especially with newer safety regs that came out and added a lot of weight to newer cars.
I agree with what you’re saying go to the track roll racing is stupid I see it on the road and just laugh pull the whole shots and beat them at the line 😊😊🇺🇸🇺🇸
He speaks Facts. Despite the Mustang being the king up top, I'll still pick the Scat Pack. :P
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The scat is dead up top lol
@@tcurtezit would surprise u
When is the next video?
Roll racing are people who have garbage RT times
Bud we are not on a track lol and most people are hitting it at the lights and freeway and the 10R80 mustang is king lol sorry not sorry 😂
Definitely don’t have to be at a track the Hemi cars just need a good launch, usually a pair of Nitto 555 r2s or Mickey Thompson Et Streets will do the trick. One of the clips in there from Sam Carlegions video is just on the asphalt, the scat gets a good launch against the 10 speed mustang and takes off.
I have a cadillac Ats-v that have already beaten them both !🤷♂️ I J S !
😭 😭 wha wha “hellcats not designed to drive faster lol
Ultimately it depends on what you want from a car. If you like power down low and good initial throttle response, buy a Scat Pack. The Scat Pack is a little better in the quarter mile off the showroom floor or if both cars are on drag radials. When it comes to dumb ass fun on the street, I give the edge to the Scat Pack. As stated in the video, the Mustang needs RPM to make power. The Mustang being a more modern design responds better to mods. For example, headers will make more of a difference on the Mustang than the 6.4. The Mustang responds extremely well to E-85 or flex tunes. Coyote engines respond well to adding timing while it makes little difference when it comes to the 6.4. For a Mustang to be strong out of the hole, it needs a high stall torque converter. I race both Scat Packs and Mustang GTs. Races between my car and those cars if they are stockish result in similar ETs. They are largely drivers' races. The Scat Pack will almost always out 60 foot me and I will almost always out MPH the Scat Pack in the quarter mile. The strengths of these cars are also their weaknesses. The 6.4 is pretty well optimized from the factory. Unless you install a power adder, it's harder to make improvements in performance with the Scat Pack. With the Mustang, mods make a bigger difference in performance. However, you have to be more careful with the Mustang. Although you can keep making bigger improvements in performance, you can keep adding power until you blow it up. That is less likely the case with the 6.4.
You bet. 2 different personalities, both very fun but in different ways.
I love my Coyote
Theyre beasts honestly. If my car was a manual a new s550 wouod be my second but i want manual. Im supercharged and barely beat stock s550 10 speeds. Still love my car tho.
@@gabedavis890 nice ride man 👍
I have yet to lose a race at the lights or roll race on the highway against any Mustang from 1990-2023 without forced air. Chrysler 300s, bolt on’s, long tubes, Hemifever 89 octane tune. I feel very confident from 80-130 right now, bring on the Pusstangs!
Mods will definitely sway things in your favour for sure.
130? Pff that’s like mid 3rd gear in my stock corvette haha.. I had an 01 cobra that ran out of steam passed 140
Cope bubba
Must be fun living on fantasy land. Are clouds made of cotton candy there? 😄
Youd probably take any mustang thats not the s550. Im supercharged and barely beat new gen mustangs. A 373 gear would help quite a bit tho
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