FIRST TIME HEARING | Bobby Gentry - Ode to Billy Joe | REACTION
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Oh, my dear lads. This is not about suicide. It's much more complex. Remember - birth control was illegal at the time.
You guys are the first reactors to this video I've seen who take the time to to speak to those feeling depressed or suicidal and encouraging them to hold on and seek help. So as a survivor of these things myself, I wanted to say thank you for your empathy and compassion. Maybe someone will listen, hold on, and get the help that IS available. Your thoughtfulness may have saved a life.
This song is based on truth!! She never said what was thrown off the bridge!! They made a movie of this song!! She wrote all her music. An amazing artist!!! Hope you are doing well!! Stay safe!!
From Bobbie Gentry, herself:
“Everybody has a different guess about what was thrown off the bridge-flowers, a ring, even a baby. Anyone who hears the song can think what they want, but the real message of the song, if there must be a message, revolves around the nonchalant way the family talks about the suicide. They sit there eating their peas and apple pie and talking, without even realizing that Billie Joe’s girlfriend is sitting at the table, a member of the family.”
Ignore the people talking about the movie. That's nothing to do with Bobbie Gentry.
I was young when this song came out so my thoughts didn't include sexual anything, like throwing a miscarried baby off the bridge. I saw it as they were really good friends and even tho she had just been with him, she didn't recognize he was suicidal.
What was thrown off the bridge is obvious.
One of the great story-songs.
Good choice guys! Mulitiple layers of meaning for example ...
Weighing in on that 'lack of emotion' from the perspective of 37 years in Japan, mostly teaching English, and a lover of music
If you read the lyrics carefully, you'll see that Billy Joe is not the main character of the ballad's story line. The protagonist is the carefully crafted 'singer-character voice' ... separate from the voice of Bobby Gentry, the performer/
As she is chatting with family, it is apparent she is single, not married, and the singer-character had something more than a casual awareness of Billy Joe ... the recollection of how Billy Joe put a frog down her back is something a young school boy might do to a first love. And she had been talking to Billy Joe after church only last Sunday - and had seen him just the day before his suicide at the sawmill. One can only surmise that they were much more than 'friends'. If anything, her lack of appetite at hearing of his death is a gut-wrenching suppression of a shock and awe scream.
Calculated emotional distance from a suicide... mixing talk about eating, or lack of appetite, with working the fields, having dinner with the preacher next Sunday, the family reminiscing about Billy Joe ... as if they had no inkling of the intimate, physical-emotional relationship between Billy Joe and the singer's character, or even her change in weight through pregnancy and after the birth of her child.
He (the preacher) said he saw a girl that looked like the singer-character and Billy Joe throwing something off the bridge. I can't help but to imply that the family also knows, and suppressing the knowledge that it was indeed the singer-character and Billy Joe throwing something off that bridge. Now what else could be small enough, and precious enough, to be thrown from the bridge, and spoken of in the lyrics, at the same flattened degree of importance as suicide? What would keep her going a year or more later, to that same bridge, to throw flowers into the muddy water?
Again, an artfully calculated 'flat' expression of vocal technique, the mixing of the mundane things of every day life with death, and throwing something off a bridge ... all a psychologically sound acting out of a singer-character's necessary suppression of despair, at keeping her new-born child, born out of wedlock in a religiously conservative part of the country, a secret ... and then throwing the newborn child off the bridge to preserve their relationship, reputation, and place in that society ... as poor, rural, and conservative as it is ... and Billy Joe, unable to live with the thought at what they had done.
This is a story within a story ... a bit like the short fiction piece, 'The Birthday Party', by Katherine Brush (available on Google through a search). Only after careful analysis, does one realize the protagonist of the story is the one telling the story, and then through the narrative, the reader-listener is invited to fill in the gaps.
The relatively 'emotionally flat' delivery of her narrative is a carefully calculated element of the piece. The horrible truth of the story can not be expressed in appropriate emotional depth without the risk of the singer-character going crazy and also committing suicide.
The opposite, positive equivalence is being blinded by looking straight at the sun ... a metaphor for seeing 'reality', 'god', or whatever you want to call that fundamental, transcendent ground upon which we all stand.
The only way we can deal with the extremes of what it means to be human ... the horror and the joy ... is to bury it deep in metaphor, or understate the emotions as she does with her delivery.
Bobby Gentry, as pointed out in another reaction video, is using a different vocal approach … singing-narrating in rhythmical ‘free-form’ talking voice, while keeping an independent, rock-steady rhythm on guitar … much like the best of bossa nova. And this song (by chance?) hit the charts just a few years after the height of the bossa nova wave crested over the world.
Cool West coast jazz, Miles Davis's 'Kind of Blue' album, and much of bossa nova (like 'The Waters of March') are other examples of the 'less is more' philosophy of music - create enough space in the music, a zen-like 'pregnant silence' or understatement of delivery, to invite ... no, demand, the full attention and imagination of a critical, empathetic listener. In the tradition of the Greek tragedies of old, the audience has also become part of the performance. You can find both the pinnacle and the reducto ad absurdum of this philosophy of music in John Cage's '4'33''. I like the death metal version best. 😂
In a world gone crazy with fake news and everyone in the internet-empowered herd shouting at the top of their lungs, I can appreciate what is understated. What is unsaid. There is good reason she topped The Beatles with this one ... and perhaps this era's Billie Eilish is gaining popularity by trying to do something similar.
Cheers from Japan. - steve
Such a haunting and mysterious song. Always sticks in my mind
The really sad part about the story was that her family didn't really pay any attention to her... never really noticed her sorrow and connected it to why she wasn't eating... she was just wallpaper in this family. That's the real point of the song.
Most beautiful woman I ever seen... been in love with her since I was 10, 42 years ago
Deeper song than than just his death
They madeva movie based on this song. Same title...starring Robby Benson as Billy Joe. It was so sad.
I saw it as a kid. She used to take me to see all kinds of movies.
I nearly cried, had to hold it in.
Made me a fan of Robby Benson, and Glynnis O’Connor as well.
I’ve only seen it a couple of times, yet I remember it very clear.
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i expect alot of people sit among family and friends while they are hiding secrets. happy to see you appreciated it!! stay safe!!
It's funny cuz this reaction they're so distracted kids crying in the background which is true to the song would have been the same but you guys need to think about did he jump or was he thrown? That young preacher says it all in two sentences he threatens her with his knowledge of something private and then ask her parents if you can come to dinner and they said yeah
Truth. And I have a theory on the subtext in the song See comment
Thanks, Bros - what a story, right? and you never really know what happened - but it is truly eerie and haunting... and Bobbie is an amazing talent with her writing, playing and singing! -- really appreciate your reaction!
Bobbie Gentry was amazing - she wrote her own songs, and had such soul in her performances - at a time when women were not considered to be "capable" - although she was pretty good on that guitar = thanks for reacting to this one - it is what I would call "haunting" -- so much story here without any resolution - what happened between her and Billy Joe? Guess we'll never know...
Bobbie Gentry is still alive but she isn't saying :)
Bobby Gentry was a philosophy student - the song was a study in "unconscious cruelty"
Well this song means getting rid of something painful and precious at the same time . Not something you can tell others , something you tell your heart
There’s a great movie based on this song :
“Ode To Billy Joe”
1976, brilliantly acted by
Robby Benson, and
Glynnis O’Connor.
Set in the Mississippi Delta , ca:1953.
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The focus should not be what was thrown off the bridge, but should be on the only person truly distressed about Billy Joe jumping off the bridge, is the singer. (She loses her appetite. Everyone else continues to eat.)
Wrong. Her and Billy Joe threw something off the bridge. A baby? That was the theory about this fictional tale.
True, sad so easy spoken of with a Pass the beans attitude. Yes, no 1 noticed how it affected her😢 movie writer says he left it for viewers interpret what it may have been. Seems more attention to that question. Than her loss😭 Such sad song.
Well there was work to be done so what you going to do?
There was a movie about this song. Speculation was that Billy Joe had a 'walk on the wild side' experience and was ashamed... but it was only speculation... she never told as far as I know.
The saddest song I know...: " ...and me? I spend a lot of time pickin' flowers up at Choctaw Ridge and throw them into the muddy waters off the Tallahassee Bridge.
Wow!!!!! This was aaaaamazing I DO KNOW that there was a movie made later about this true song 👍💙😘
Mainly topic of this is how easliy the family talks of suicide with dinner, as thou it's no big deal. And most asked question is , what where they seen throwing from bridge. ( drugs, engagement ring, flowers, draft card) never answered it. For you decide. ...
I always thought they said the threw money into it..."into the money water"?? I always took it as wasted dreams? 😊
@@ForestFairywales "Muddy water"
@@cam4636 oooohhhhh ok, well that makes more sense 🙈 thank you! X
Hi bros love this movie and song
What a nice voice! Thanks for sharing this! I have a request: Come to my Window by Melissa Etheridge!
GORGEOUS!!!!! Sad,,,
Love u guys!
Zane
Bone chilling story telling
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According to the movie, it was her baby doll that was thrown off the bridge...not a real baby! I saw the movie
the move was made much later than the song though. It was someone's interpretation.
The movie was just somebody’s idea put into a movie script. There is no definitive answer as to what was thrown off.
Do her other song that was made famous by somebody else it's called Fancy
The song will jerk a chill 🤔😍
It's from the movie " Ode to Billie Joe" starring Robbie Benson. He gets drunk at a Jamboree and had a sexual encounter with his employer and can't face his girlfriend let alone the rest of the small town. He decides to jump off the bridge. The object that was seen being thrown off the bridge was his girlfriend's ragdoll in the heat of an argument.
This song was a huge classic at a time folk and pop music merged through artists like Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Peter, Paul & Mary, Simon & Garfunkel, the Mamas and the Papas, and the Smothers Brothers. You should check out the movie of the same title, as it adds another dimension to the song (and might answer the question as to what was thrown off the Tallahatchie Bridge). You should also research Emmitt Till, whose body being found off the Tallahachie Bridge was one of the major impetus' for the Civil Rights Movement.
it was a baby that they threw off of the Bridge... :(
You didn’t see the movie.
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I’ve heard that. But the singer was young, worked her butt of every day in the fields, no way she had a baby in that environment
Research it. She said it was implied that they had a baby together out of wedlock. Billie Jo couldn't handle the fact that the baby died. Fell into a deep depression and jumped to his death
She specifically left out what they actually threw, intentionally. The point was that no one really cared about the suicide or that the singer is obviously in mourning.
I this is Grandma from Texas She and Billy Joe threw their dead love child off the bridge so Billy joe could not take the guilt. That is why she spends a lot of time picking flowers and throwing them in the muddy water. For her baby and her first love. I was 13 years old when this song came out in the 60s. I remember it well. Every one I knew at the time thought it was all about a love child. Pregnant and not married was unacceptable. Think about the era. 👍
Just found you guys. Really enjoyed this review. Are ya’ Scott’s? Am I identifying the accent right?
Love hearing reactions from across the pond as well as Americans being surprised by how much soul & R&B came out of the UK back in the day.
Please look for the movie with the same name if you want the answers to this song! I will not reveal anything!
you should watch the movie! Will blow your mind.
First time watching youall. Love your voice. Great reaction. Another classic is Harper Valley PTA by Jeannie C. Riley
Good movie
He did something he couldn’t live with
It's a unsolved Murder mystery. I think the preachers son got him for hanging around with Bobby.
The movie answers all those questions
Not really
If you research why he jumped off the bridge, there is a probable answer.
You guys are great! I just subscribed to your channel.
A baby u would think that's what it was if u watch the movie .
What do people think they tossed over the bridge?
I've heard either an aborted fetus or an engagement ring.
Hello lads. Sorry to be critical, but the way you have your audio recording level set on this video is a bit distracting as I can occasionally hear what sounds like someone splashing around in the bathtub. It does intrude some on the song.
There are secrets ppl take to their graves Their own This of loved ones. I can never hear this song without hearing the Mother’s subtext. While publicly making comments to the family, she’s sending coded messages to her daughter while letting her know she’ll keep her secret, if.... “I’m not blind. I’m not stupid. I know what’s been going on. I know you’re now spoiled for marriage. I’m gonna get you married off in a hurry. You better behave during the preacher’s visit Sunday.”
Doesn’t anyone else feel that family dynamic going on?
Think the brother suspects too, but only needling her to test her, bec he’s unsure. Dad’s clueless
End of the sing Mom’s depression was about more than the loss of a spouse.
Umm, no.
In spite of what's said, it's a made-up story by the singer. I think its pointing to a murder of the Farmer at the beginning of the song, the cut him up at the sawmill, and threw him off the bridge. Billy Joe had a guilty conscience and couldn't live with himself. In a movie made later they inferred it was an abortion, but of course, since the song was a made-up tale, so was the movie.
It’s said they through a small still borne baby off the bridge
Fact: The suicide rate for men is about four times the rate for women. Look up "suicide by gender". It is not politically correct to mention this, it is deemed misogynistic.
Fact: The suicide rate for men after a divorce is almost 10 times the rate for women. Again, it is not PC to recognize this fact.
Fact: Pauline Hanson, MP in Australia, claims three men in Australia commit suicide due to the Family Court System per day. The number is certainly higher in America.
Fact: If you examine the lives of the men who commit suicide due to Family Court rulings, their long abuse, the lives remaining to them, suicide is actually a rational option. Family court is that bad to men.
"It's not PC" no Karen it's not PC to mention mental illness as a serious problem at all. "The suicide rate is 4x higher for men" no Karen, the death rate is 4x higher. Women have higher rates of depression, suicidal ideation, and suicide attempts, but they have a higher tendency to attempt by overdosing, which is survivable, while men have a higher tendency to attempt with methods involving shooting or hanging, which is significantly harder to survive. "The suicide rate is higher after divorce for men than for women" that is true! And it tells you a lot about who feels like their life was improved by getting out of a bad marriage! "The number of men who commit suicide due to Family Court rulings is certainly higher in America" false again, Karen, and the urban legend that Family Courts rule in favor of the mother hasn't been true in decades, now they will literally put children at risk keeping them in contact with both parents or in the guardianship of grandparents to keep them out of the foster system.
Just say your kids don't want to talk to you anymore.
Stop talking over the clip
I don't subscribe because you guys can't be quiet long enough to even hear the song. Sorry.
Sorry I'm OUTTA here. Hell, didn't understand a word of your intro but that's good as we all know the necessary. But here is why I left (and I watch a *LOT* of reactors). 1.) Don't talk so damn much when the artist is performing. Critique afterward. 2.) *YOU TWO ARE NOT THE SHOW* ! I don't want to see 4/5 filled up with your big heads and the video the size of a postage stamp.
that's the way reaction videos are done, more or less the way they do it. the reactors ARE the show. Otherwise why watch reactors? you could find the plain video itself if you just want to watch that.