What if Red Challenge Cynthia in Pokemon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl?
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Hi! Here an interesting Idea. Since Pokémon from First, Second and third Generation are fully returning and available, I asked that question to myself for a while now: What if The previous champion (And Red) actually challenge Cynthia at their Maximum level? Do they have a chance of defeating the most powerful trainer in the world? What are the probability and how they will win?
So! The Legendary Trainer: Red.
Do he have a chance of defeating Cynthia at his Maximum level? Here's the full response!
Ps: As you can see in the whole video: This Red team wasn't edited one bit. This is his true and legit team he has in Heart Gold and Soul Silver thanks to a code that allow to take trainer's Pokemon. Then I transfered those same Pokemon from Soul Silver to Blac White, then transfered until Brilliant Diamond.
List:
00:00 Tutorial, taking Red's team
02:52 Red HG/SS team against Cynthia First Rematch
12:09 Red HG/SS team against Cynthia Full power
23:49 Red Full Power against Cynthia Full Power
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because you have to defeat the league 5 times lmao
Red team was also EV Trained here is no way blastoise survives a earthquake from SD Garchomp
How did you catch Red's Pokemon?
Good video, but i think it would be easier to take the team and transfer them to Platinum so you can challenge Cynthia with it.
@@keokozonaioni9738 It's probably a cheat code.
It does hurt a bit seeing Red using a Relaxed Charizard with no speed investment and getting outsped by a Roserade because of it
Yeah so it's his fault the team didn't perform as well as it could've
how come did his pokemons have not any EVs? didn't he train them in mount silver
@@librawood10107 no it's the guy playing not an npc vs npc bsttle. He's just impersonating red.
@@stoner63reflex65 unfortunatly you could say that to any NPC without IV/EV trained pokemon (like Blue as well)
Charizard IS actually already slower than Roserade I think
Garchomp is frozen:
Garchomp avoided the attack🤣🤣
Ultra instinct garchomp....
Red after you catch his entire team: *disappears*
Beat da champion
My final message
*Goodbye*
Bye.
**realization**
Wait!?
What is that!?
*Ahhhhhhhh-*
**disappears**
4:47 Ah, truly a turn of the champions. Synchronized Full Restoring, very nice touch!
I can’t believe that Blastoise lived that plus 2 EQ from Garchomp. I thought it was dead for sure. What a legend
I mean have you SEEN blastioses defense? Lol
Well Blastoise is a tank in both defenses and, for sure, Red's Blastoise was focused in increasing both of them in maximum possible levels.
“Words are unnecessary”
......
My main takeaway from this is that Red’s espeon will never be brought up again because apparently Game Freak doesn’t want him to have it for some reason.
Yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s a Gen 2 Pokémon on a Gen one team. Frankly, I don’t care, which is why I’m still gonna advocate for evolving Scyther to Scizor if we ever see his Origins team again.
in the manga doesn’t red’s eevee have something that lets it evolve into any type?
@Wide Right No that was just when the machine was attached to it due to the meddaling of team rocket
@@goroakechi6126 It's weird though because it can still work. It's the Eevee he received from Bill.
I can't believe you sacrificed an opportunity to catch "a lot of Dunsparces" for this. Your sacrifice will not be forgotten :(
You decide to literaly catch his team 😂😄😄
Red & Cynthia are on a whole other league compared to other champions. gotta give Red credit not only because his team isnt as perfectly built as Cynthia's but also bc he has that fkn useless Pikachu. if he had Espeon instead he'd be way more threatening
Red's pokemons seem not better than other champions, but be more changeable than others.
i feel like it'd be interesting if red changed out some of his pokemon sometimes, like he'd use his old espeon or maybe one of the other gift pokemon like one of the hitmons, he could even use a super fast raichu in place of pikachu once or twice
maybe his team would have cycles depending on what number of times you've rematched him
Yeah Pikachu is the Pokémon who kepts Red away from being the best trainer of all time (and even then, Cynthia has great Pokémon, Steven has a very solid team (no pun intended))since if you outspeed Pikachu (not hard with its 90 base Speed but not blazingly easy either), Red basically plays a team of 5 Pokémon. But those 5 Pokémon are very strong on their own.
Red's team is actually pretty weak if you think about it, they are just overleveled lol. Most if not all other champs have much stronger pokemon than Red but his pokes are simply higher leveled compared to the other champs. But Cynthia on the other hand has BOTH strong pokemon AND overleveled pokemon. This makes her by far the strongest champ and generally speaking the strongest opponent in the game.
@@Gurkan790 I like to think of Red as a "Against the Odds" kind of Trainer. While his team isn't strong from a competitive standpoint I think he manages to pull it off because he trusts in his pokemon and believes in their capabilities. Which is why he could beat his rival, Blue/Green, who was a bit more skilled and a better team than he did.
I wanna see this done with both Red and Cynthia using an AI better than Emerald Kaizo’s AI
If Red fought Cynthia with the same in-game AI that he fought you with, he wouldn't switch around his pokemon so much to get that type advantage.
@crimson or heal as much, I felt like he used too many full restores when the ai uses like 2 or something
@@Pikachu-hs1wn Red normally carries 4 restores
@manny ah okay
Well basically, if Red was in BDSP, he would ev trained his pokemons
In the past, no npc trained his pokemon and cynthia was not an exception
@@Red-oy1ld so? Cynthia’s team is way better made
Damn, they should have done red vs Cynthia in pkmn journeys episode " Flash Of The Titans"
Ik it wouldn't be possible, but still would be cool to see
You mean Pokemon Evolutions ?
it would because you can fly
How tho? It wouldn’t be possible due to Ash being one of the MANY counterparts of Red. So if the anime team were to bring Red to Ash’s universe, it’ll be like ‘Ash vs Cynthia’ while Ash is watching etc. So, I’m sorry to say it but, it wouldn’t make any sense to have Cynthia fighting Red.
But still, in an alternate universe, where red is also the mc of the anime, it could happen
Sounds a little far-fetch'd (pun intended), but pokemon master journeys made an episode about alternate timelines and whatnot
So not really that far off I guess.....
Idk
@@Attemptingto345 to be fair, ash seems that will fight cynthia eventually, things have been hinting at him fighting her and lance in the future on the road to beat Leon, and given how the anime has been lately, its quite hype because they've been giving ash lots of good characterization as a trainer and such, as well as things like mega lucario
Great video. Ngl laughed how you had to transfer straight from Gen 4 though lol. Well done.
Now I wanna see Max level Barry (Platinum team) against Cynthia. Ideally Infernape as the starter, but you can choose whichever you want him to have. Since before HGSS Red and BDSP Cynthia, he had the highest level team.
Barry Canon starter is Empoleon in the game and anime.
@@krampusapprenticeofdarksan7870 no Infernape bc of the manga
@@siaguamiel1787 Just need to be switched for something new, Torterra, perhaps.
@@siaguamiel1787 His manga counterpart is called Pearl. Lucas is Diamond and Dawn is Platinum Berlitz who goes by codename Lady. So Manga is Pearl And Pearls starter is Infernape but in game and Anime is Barry and his starter is Empoleon.
@@siaguamiel1787 manga is not the canon universe of main games but is its own canon
Steven vs Cynthia? Eres un grande.
Two years watching your videos thank you.
Yeah that won't end well
Red's pokemons seem not better than other champions, but be more changeable than others.
Most champions don’t have access to mega evolution or Z moves, 🧐 beats me, so I guess Red’s team might not be as good if you set them all at let’s say lvl. 50, but his PKMN levels are one of the higher ones without such restrictions like PWT, out of the whole game.
Ya the red win we all saw coming Cynthia strong af but red is on another level
He wins here because it's player using his team not ai
@@vedantpatil7661 Unfortunately his team has bad Natures, bad moves, and no EVs. Not to mention that his team is poorly built, there are other better Pokemon that could be used.
Did we watch the same Video?
Been waiting for this even tho Red will always be my fav trainer
What a brilliant idea! I didn't know it was possible. You did a great job bypassing pokemon house's rules and bringing red's team into bd/sp. Also,you're pretty skilled at battling! This is truly what red would've done
I wouldn't say he's pretty skilled at battling, at 19:16 the pretty poor decision to use blizzard and end up missing when he could have just used Brine with 100% accuracy and a guaranteed kill against Spiritomb. His lapras lost hp unnecessarily because of that decision.
@@bluenicholasbf2142 true but that's the most common mistake and it doesn't always end up bad
@@weetakuT yeah you're right he did win in the end
Next time, try with Let's Go Red, Blue and Green. That will be interesting
I think the community wants to know can this be accomplished itemless.. no affection? That would be such a tedious battle lol
Would require the strongest and most competitive of team comps here tbh
Speculation, considering how it takes Cynthia 3 rematches just to get on equal grounds based on level, wouldn't Red, being given 2 more rematches far surpass Cynthia? From giving the same circumstances of rematches, Red would have increased in levels significantly if such a remake were to happen, yes?
So sure Cynthia is the new strongest, but only due to being given *2 rematches with increased levels,* while red has his outstanding levels on STATIC every rematch, so hypothetically, Red would still be the strongest as a static base, only to be EVEN STRONGER once given the same rematch mechanics as BDSP Cynthia.
*However, this is still speculation, don't go gaslighting who is stronger with passionate opinions, it would just make sense being given fair treatment.*
Waitin for let’s go johto or ?Gold and ?silver
Really good comment. This was great.
@@electricmatrix3407 Hmm Let's go version are really great and better than the main series games. Actually it's the games that aren't a part of the main series which are always done so well these days. I hope there will be Let's go for Johto version. Not that I will be able to play it. But I never even thought of this to be honest.
Counterpoint: Since you have to have beaten Lance in a rematch before Red even appears on Mt. Silver, Red is already the third rematch of Lance. In this essay I will--
This was pretty epic.
Type matchups seem to make the battle. Still very good to see Red vs Cynthia
Thank you again red vs Cynthia will rock the heavens
Haven’t watched it yet but dispite how strong red is in his games, his move set and lack of held items ain’t gonna defeat Cynthia in this game, like red is strong, but he would need to give better moves to his Pokémon and give them items, then he would win
Watch the video :)
@@Mixeli oh man he actually won, dang I guess all that training paied off
Because the player is always smarter reds team is still way weaker missing Items EV/IV actual good movesets and overall Red Usedom weaker pokemons than Cynthia. If you read tue Text in the end you can read it took many tries to defekt cynthia
@@jointser1008 I know, I just watched the video
@@Mixeli but to be fair you took the "you dont get to become the champion of the pokemon league withought using full restores" a little too close to heart , while she barely used any
My boi Red still a legend tho
True
Because tue Player is always smarter as the AI and STILL cynthias winning Rate is higher now imagine what happened When red is the CPU and Cynthia the Player?
@@jointser1008 Sometimes AI have more advantages in games. Red's pokemons seem weaker than other champions pokemons, but their moves have more changeable and flexible than others.
@@John831001 Mixeli is actually a good player in this case the AI is clearly in disadvantage Garchomp,Togekiss,Porygon-Z and Lucario Have also a good movepool which means they are "very changeable"
@@jointser1008 If you ever played PWT in Pokémon B2W2, you know what I say.
yo! what about their BW2 PWT teams?
fantastic video though! doing what most can only dream to see!
How did you get it since Pokemon Home is not available for BDSP yet?
Dude, the music for the Full Powered Teams VS is awesome! The mix of Vs Red and Vs Cynthia is a very exciting music piece to hear. Is it possible to find this piece anywhere?
Who's next Steven /Wallace/Palmer or maybe even lance
Mixeli is like: "What's yours is mine"
How did you get that OST playing in the 2nd rematch?
The timing on the full restore is so good lol she healed when you healed
Ladies and Gents, we have bypassed the friendliness boost mechanic. We are truly unstoppable now
When Venusaur is almost fainted, you should not use that full restore on him.
Instead let him fainted and switch to Snorlax, use that full restore on the Snorlax then spam curse.
With the leech seed, it should be safe to set up on Milotic, then Snorlax should be able to tank the remaining two.
He doesn't have curse in HGSS. I tried many and possibly even the one you're mentionning me. (Without counting curse of course)
but didn't worked at the end.
@@Mixeli Amanda Kelly (Pikachu) Lv. 88, Ashley Stacy (Venusaur) Lv. 84, Katie Vicki (Charizard) Lv. 84, Alyssa May (Blastoise) Lv. 84, Tasha Smith (Lapras) Lv. 80, and Vicki Li (Snorlax) Lv. 82. - Cynthia's Pokémon Teams: Spiritomb Lv. 61, Roserade Lv. 60, Gastrodon (West Sea) Lv. 60, Lucario Lv. 63, Milotic Lv. 63, and Garchomp Lv. 66.
@@alyssamay5828 Dude Wtf are you talking about??
@@wilhelmyrureta5898 idk about u but i think she's a fanfiction writer
@@paintguy9129 Seems like it.
Imagine if Red had a third rematch. I’m getting mad just thinking about it
I imagine this fight as if he use a glitchemons
Which music you used in the third part of your video?
wow, i'm glad red's chances of winning the first two battles are so good, i'm kind of sad that it's impossible for him to win the third and final with the normal team but i understand why, despite i admire him a lot, i always knew that he's a long way from actually being the strongest trainer
In canon he is the strongest lol
@@SaiyanX5 In what sense? if you're talking about his pokemon's level it can be, but about the poke movesets, variety of types and the pokemons he uses, he certainly isn't
@@SamuelSilva-ey8ug I've yet to see a pokemon game AI that is actually insane. the difficulty in pokemon games is just "his level higher so go grind". i want actual 5head strategies
@@SamuelSilva-ey8ug in masters, other characters talk to him as "the strongest trainer"
@@Red-oy1ld Well, I can't opine about the Pokémon masters red because until now I haven't been able to play it because I don't have a cell phone that can run the game and I rarely see videos of it either, but the main game red is certainly far from being the strongest, and please don't get me wrong, as a fan of his i would love if he really were the strongest but i know that's not the case, at least for now, and if in the future he appears again with a better team to the strategic side and change that, you never know
Dang what was Blastoise Ev spread Mixeli. To see Blastoise tank a Earthquake from a
+2 ATK Garchomp had me smiling and in tears. ^_^
I think it was Max EVs in defense but also HP, just as the one Sun and Moon Red has
How long did it take to grind that far?
Was gonna say something about reds team being over lvled but I think that's canon
what was the theme playing during the third rematch? is there a new theme for cynthia in her third rematch?
No it's the same one.
Its Lance's team from Pokémon Masters
I kinda feel like there's way too much "So that's that. Cynthia is stronger, which means Red isn't really a good trainer, he just has a lot of levels," and not nearly enough "Holy crap, full power Red is basically on par with full power BDSP Cynthia, it's only a 6% difference in her favour," going on in this comment section.
If anything, this video should be proof that Red's team isn't only good because it's high-levelled, it's just plain good.
How is this proof? Red clearly just played better here, it doesn't proof how good his team actually is. If Cynthia actually played well, there's no way Red could've won.
I mean, the AI performed optimally, and lets be real here, a lot of Cynthia’s Pokémon have items while only Reds Pikachu has an item,, also, this isn’t even final Red, final Red all his Pokémon are level 90+
@@scurreith3667 Red doesn't have a final team
..... *YET*
This is becoming a series now.
Make one with the mega evolution! Oh wait...
I bust out laughing when you began the video by robbing Red's team
One hit of Blastoise's Hydro Cannon to Cynthia's Lucario?
wow.. Red has one pretty powerful Blastoise there..
i don't know, maybe the level itself is high but still..
That's not that impressive, 150 BP + STAB + Lucario's lame defenses.
Idk how ur winning all of ur battles dude nice play
Played lot of hours
@@Mixeli keep up the Good work u deserve millions sub
Now you gotta take cynthias team to match the hail aspect on mnt silver
How did you able to catch Red whole Pokemon team 🤯
Next is Lance vs Cynthia. After that Steven vs Cynthia.
this is why red's my most favourite character ever existed!
Imagine Red with a LEVEL 90+ Team for rematches (which never happened)? And It could be same moves but the eam could have been, Lv99/100 Pikachu, Lv 95 Charizard Lv95 Venusaur Lv95 Blastoise Lv93 Snorlax Lv91 Lapras
If they keep tuhe same moves red still sucks even with 90+
Maybe the rematch team can have Espeon instead of Lapras? Kinda like how Cynthia trades Roserade for Porygon-Z. Would be a nice shoutout to his original GSC team.
@@bilalsalman4311 Red need to change his entire Team to be a good challenging enemy like Cynthia i mean 3times Electric weakness and a Pikachu i recommend to replace Charizard Lapras Pikachu and probably Blastoise wiith any good pokemons from Kanto/Johto Tyranitar or Dragonite for a example
@@jointser1008 He has all Gift Pokemon from Kanto
@@jointser1008 sorta defeats the point of being red then
Honestly, @Mixeli I just realized, he must have love his pokemons a lot, because the only way you get Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon and Frenzy Plant is by getting max friendship on starter mons.
Cinthia point of view:
Cinthia: So you have come.
Red: ...
_Red theme starts_
Cynthia: Wait.. what happened to my theme??
If I'm honest I don't think you would have won that if you'd only used the same amount of full restores that Cynthia used
Well I think Red is the NPC trainer with the most full restore (4)
If it wasn't for that garchomp getting frozen you'd be dead
Damn was interesting until I seen you use a full restore. Any battle can be won with items.
23:54 can you do the same thing for blue to see if he can win against cynthia full power?
How common is freeze in this game?
Big take away from this is rather not if Red can beat Cynthia, it's how difficult is it to actually pulling it off. Goes to show that even at high level, Red isn't really a skilled trainer as many would like to think he is. If this battle was a once a lifetime opportunity, Red needs to be VERY lucky to beat Cynthia. Great vid!
Or he could just go get his Mewtwo lol
@@solarsunne4950 Well I mean that is still in the cave during G/S or HG/SS. So is it really his Mewtwo?
@@IexistIguessidk Only in hg/ss
I like to think Red is more of a raw power type trainer who relies on his overleveled pokemon
@@IexistIguessidk maybe he released it ig
Duel of the Fates
All i'm questioning in that video is why use air slash on lucario
Because of focus sash. His other effective move either hurt or Miss and even if it hit, Lucario will resist because of focus sash. Since he use Close combat which reduce his defense and defense special, it's better using a move that have more chance to hit and not hurt instead. I've tried many time and the best solution is using Air slash.
Ah alright, didn't know lucario hard Focus sash
What's next? What if Steven challenged Cynthia?
@Merciless Freak Hope that's the next one
This is a very interesting experiment, though with a couple flaws in the procedure. It all boils down to this still feeling like a fight between Cynthia and a player using Red's Pokemon, not Red himself. Things like, healing in yellow HP, healing because of a status condition, using more than two/three Full Restores, and switching for the type advantage are all very much moves that only a player would realistically use; the AI just isn't programmed that way.
That being said, it's still extremely interesting to watch this video and see how the experiment STILL played out in Cynthia's favor. It really speaks to Cynthia's strength that Red needed to think like a player to even stand a chance!
Very true, but technically on the longest stretch ever, red is a past player
@@drye464 True.
Am I the only one:
When Cynthia sends her garchomp out, I sweat a little?
Yes lol 🤣
@@the-renegade exactly and tbh Cynthia is overrated. I have beaten her team using
Squirtle, charmender,bulbusaur,treecko,mudkip and torchick in Black and white 2 and only squirtle mudkip and bulbusaur are 7 level above her.
@@the-renegade not ice Mons cuz the ones in this game get rekt
@@the-renegade well ppl don't really like using items in battle..... So yea
@@the-renegade yea but like one ice type doesn't seem enough for her entire team
Fun Fact: Ignoring battle facilities, Red's Pikachu is tied with the 2nd rematch version of Cynthia's BDSP Garchomp for highest level non player character owned Pokémon
Long live the king and queen.
Mee: Looking a good 1v1 with champions
Player: fUlL hEsToRes
23:35 did anyone notice that his ID number is the exact date pokemon was made? 270296. Pokémon was made on the 27th of February in 1996.
The Freezes were lucky without them the battles could have easily gone either way
Ngl if HGSS Red fought Platinum Cynthia it would be a clean sweep.
Cynthia wouldn't have a chance.
Yeah it would be fair at least
And i have already tested the battle and red wins (it is not free though)
@@Red-oy1ld I'm sure it isn't, but he wouldn't struggle.
Red full power is BW2,no SM.
WAIT U COULD CATCH RED'S TEAM WITH A PREMIERE BALL?! (im new to pokemon world so sorry if i look stupid or if u actually couldn't catch red's team)
Bro how you transfear the pokemon??? That was amazing
Pokémon Home system
You just caught reds pikachu- man that’s illegal
There’s a final rematch?? 😱
Ice type is very important.
Steven next 😎😎
Good video as always any link to the red battle theme u use in the video?
Transformed it myself, might post it perhaps, who know
@@Mixeli nice nice.
@@Mixeli please post it 😅 I wanna listen to it all day haha
yoi forgot one thing red have magic words=PIKACHU WE CAM DO THIS "Pikachu back at full health"🤣
Bruh, with LGPE, you could have taken his Lv85 team from there and challenged Cynthia
How did you managed to send Red's Pokémon from HG/SS all the way to BDSP if Pokémon HOME is still not compatible to those games yet. 🤔
Transfered to Gen 5 games, then to Bank, then to Home
@@ominousangel7661 but at the time of the video HOME was not compatible to B 💎 S⚪️
I think Cynthia is a stronger than red. Tbh I think I'd actually move on from red being the strongest trainer. And what no other trainer than Cynthia herself.
@@the-renegade still stronger
Eh I doubt it Red is known as the legendary strongest trainer. In Pokemon Masters as well the other champions and trainers know he's the strongest.
@@callate.un.rato.porfa. don't argue with him. You're gonna have to deal with a brick wall.
@@the-renegade I don't wanna argue anymore cause I have better things. Honestly Who cares about fervor or zeal idgaf. It looks like now she's by far Strongest. She maybe not toughest to you. But for most people yeah. Not everyone is like you. And it's not mostly because of Cynthia but also because of Pokemon.
It's an impressive comp almost every time we face Red (except in Black and White 2) his team always has a disadvantage his team in GSC is good but the moveset is horrible in my opinion in HeartGold it's much better however, it has some attacks on some pokemon that are strong, but it can hinder the pokemon, for example, blastoise with hydro canon, the damage is destroyed, but one less turn for it, in pokemon sun and moon, it's pretty cool, but the disadvantage is that the levels are 70 and also almost all pokemon except pikachu don't have an item
Charizard dealing the final blow is so fucking climactic
21:49 NANI???
(ULTRA INSTINCT THEME INTENSIFIES)
Do the reverse.
Get Cinthia's team (D/P/P) and go face Red (HG/SS)
Great idea. Question is, what would be the levels of Cynthia's pokemons?
@@gavintan9477 in the rematch, after stark mountain, she has her team at level 74-78.
It would make a good fight against Red
Lyra: hey Red can I barrow your Pokémon?
Red: …
Lyra: fine, I’ll just catch them
Red: …!?
Not gonna lie I wish that reds full power team had mega charizard and mewtwo
But still it's you who was operating red's team and we all know how tough you are mixeli so Cynthia is still strongest
No 👍
Just cry about that
Yes, Just as I said on the video, Red HG/SS need luck if he want to win
It took mixeli many tries to defeat Cynthia because Red need Luck lmao
@@vsfakaze418 actually if you watch the video he says this was one of his many tries to finally beat Cynthia, it took many tries
@@jointser1008 Let’s go red or Manga red runs over Cynthia from BDSP, it’s just HGSS Red that looses.
Still I agree that cinthiya would be better than red because of her items and strategies in the 2nd match cinthiya didn't use any healing items so red won
@Merciless Freak hello fellow hater
@Merciless Freak bruh
people will take you as a hater if you replay with a 'boohoo'
Thanks
I think you should only get one chance so it's more realistic.
Mixeli is actually part of Team Snagem i don't make the rules
this is an interesting video, but you took a team from a 2009 game to a 2021 game, it only held up because Red has such insane high level pokemon.
I ran this same experiment but instead I took Cynthia's pokemon from platinum (Her Rematch version ) and played her exactly like the AI if not better, she couldn't possibly win, especially with the 100% accurate blizzards on her mons.
But cool video indeed!
Respect x10000000 for not using the switch battle style.