THE COMPLETE LORE OF ETHEL CAIN

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  • čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
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    www.nylon.com/entertainment/e...
    scarycoolsadgoodbye.substack....
    www.npr.org/2022/05/31/110133...
    daughtersofcain.fandom.com/wi...
    / mothercain
    genius.com/artists/Ethel-cain
    www.teethmag.net/thoughts-and-...
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    drive.google.com/file/d/1iC5c...
    my top 20 favorite ethel songs ranked: open.spotify.com/playlist/0ZG...
    NONE OF THE MUSIC, IMAGES, OR VIDEOS IN THIS VIDEO ARE MINE. THE IMAGES ARE FROM TUMBLR. THE MUSIC VIDEOS ARE FROM CZcams

Komentáře • 483

  • @iloveyoshiiii
    @iloveyoshiiii Před 3 měsíci +409

    rip ethel cain you would’ve loved ethel cain

  • @daisvideos202
    @daisvideos202 Před 8 měsíci +2592

    I'm not being dramtic when I say after listening to preachers daughter to the frist time something shifted I've never had an album impact me as much as this one it's truly a masterpiece

    • @racheljthompson
      @racheljthompson Před 8 měsíci +23

      Literally same. I've never had an album hold me so completely spellbound.

    • @Maria-vt1yf
      @Maria-vt1yf Před 8 měsíci +19

      Yea I’m deep in the rabbit hole rn

    • @eventhorizon2264
      @eventhorizon2264 Před 7 měsíci +18

      Her music made me feel something after feeling so numb for a long time

    • @facilegoose9347
      @facilegoose9347 Před 6 měsíci +6

      Try Emma Ruth Rundle, & Lissie's "Dragula" cover.

    • @savannahcooper7143
      @savannahcooper7143 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Absolutely same

  • @mirtewillianne5588
    @mirtewillianne5588 Před 7 měsíci +1298

    Ethel being a unreliable narrator can be backed up by the fact that Ethel dies in the attic. She never escaped the attic, never ran out in the woods and Isaiah never chased her. In August Underground you can hear Isaiah slam a door in the last few seconds, leaving Ethel to die, alone, in the attic.

    • @sapphicdionysus
      @sapphicdionysus Před 5 měsíci +80

      Also to further the idea that she is in fact an unreliable narrator is that in the first verse of Strangers in that very first line she claims Isaiah left her in the basement but then she does to say that "they make love in attic", which well we know that a basement is underground and an attic is above ground on the roof to be more specific.

    • @ghjh56
      @ghjh56 Před 5 měsíci +60

      @@sapphicdionysus As I do understand what you're saying - I feel like it's not so much based on her unreliability as a narrator as much as it is open to interpretation to fans. There is a possibility that Isaiah was just really damaged and had cannibalistic tendencies before he met Ethel - therefore decided to move her from the attic to the basement fridge to preserve the meat. It does in turn still poison him, BUT it's also double-sided because she could be reflecting on actually giving him food poisoning or just feeling like she's not good enough for him or anyone for that matter.

    • @chazlabreck
      @chazlabreck Před měsícem +4

      @@ghjh56 You made me think that the idea that a little message in the song here is if you had been eaten is your own fault for not being good enough in life ,,like you failed god and he didn't protect you no matter how innocent you had been,,, but then again you got in the car! so free will and all... did you defy god by not trusting or trusting too much ??

    • @tvsrn44
      @tvsrn44 Před 26 dny +8

      I am a new daughter and the first thing I clocked when we discovered that she’s an unreliable narrator is how SA survivors, or trauma victims often have different memories of events because their brain is so haywire with the trauma. Many moments get blurred out and even manipulated.
      It also completely humanises Ethel as humans are imperfect.
      Work of ART. ♥️

    • @julacakes
      @julacakes Před 18 dny +3

      i always interpreted the slam at the end the final blow to ethel. like, maybe he was using a hatchet or something to kill her, and that was the final blow since there’s complete silence after that.

  • @keon.2274
    @keon.2274 Před 8 měsíci +1575

    a thing i’ve noticed about a lot of ethel’s songs describing a toxic relationship with a man could also be interpreted or even a double entendre for god/jesus especially knuckle velvet

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +42

      omg i love that

    • @fr33dumb0
      @fr33dumb0 Před 5 měsíci +2

      I feel like this is every song ever tho, no?

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 5 měsíci +116

      @@fr33dumb0 i don't think shake it off by taylor swift could be understood as a double entendre for jesus

    • @ghjh56
      @ghjh56 Před 5 měsíci +8

      @@znekkk Lmao

    • @cassiopeiathew7406
      @cassiopeiathew7406 Před 5 měsíci +67

      @@znekkk “The Players gonna play, play, play, play, play, play and the haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate (haters gonna hate), So baby I’m just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, Shake it Off, Shake it Off.” Genesis 22:13

  • @ev.xe.
    @ev.xe. Před 7 měsíci +797

    she's the type to accidently date a serial killer.

    • @jasonvoorhees5640
      @jasonvoorhees5640 Před 3 měsíci +1

      who that guy "ethel"?

    • @tihipixi
      @tihipixi Před 3 měsíci +52

      @@jasonvoorhees5640 its sad how obsessed u are 💀

    • @moony3335
      @moony3335 Před 3 měsíci +12

      Wait til you get to Preachers Daughter LMAO

    • @crterjd8154
      @crterjd8154 Před 3 měsíci +19

      @@jasonvoorhees5640the obsession is sad😭 if you have to purposely do shit like this just to feel special then you definitely need help

    • @jasonvoorhees5640
      @jasonvoorhees5640 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@crterjd8154
      wym?

  • @heathert.4727
    @heathert.4727 Před 5 měsíci +270

    Ptolemaea is about rape and if it's not, it still perfectly describes what rape feels like.

    • @thedink07
      @thedink07 Před měsícem +25

      it's actually about ethel being cannibalized by her lover, isaiah. you can kind of see the realization of what's happening as the "stop's" in the last part of the song, with the eventual scream as she's killed. the flies buzzing in the background kind of allude to her inevitable fate (death), at least in my opinion. in ptolemaea, their punishment has them up to their necks in ice and are eating the other traitor. ethel is a “traitor” to her community and family by going against their beliefs and isaiah is a traitor to ethel by killing her, and eating her.

    • @daltonfore9726
      @daltonfore9726 Před měsícem +13

      @@thedink07 actually ptolemaea is her being so drugged out that she’s losing her sense of reality. she essentially thinks that isiah is possessed due to the drugs and he starts attacking her. she eventually escapes and in the end of the song it’s death telling her “she can’t run forever”. isiah eventually kills her in august underground whereas televangelism is her soul ascending to their afterlife and finally being at peace.

    • @daltonfore9726
      @daltonfore9726 Před měsícem +1

      @@thedink07isiah doesn’t eat her until strangers and gives him food poisoning as a final “fuck you” i guess you could say lmao

    • @thedink07
      @thedink07 Před měsícem +6

      @@daltonfore9726 oh yeah ptolemaea is about her drug induced haze and her hallucinating, but i’m pretty sure it also is her death, televangelism and august underground is her simultaneous death/ decay and rise to a higher plane, sun bleached flies is her in heaven (or just a higher place) reflecting on her life. i would totally agree with you if strangers wasn’t about isaiah cannibalizing ethel. all of the metaphors about eating, her being a “freezer bride”, etc. it obviously does have a double meaning with her asking if she was no good in her mortal life, but also as he’s eating her. idk, this is what i found from my own research 🤷‍♀️

    • @B19Wing
      @B19Wing Před 6 dny +2

      Well ptolemaea is the cicle in hell in Dante's divine comedy where traitors are placed. They are trapped in ice up to their necks and they are forced to eat each other for food and as punishment for their sins.

  • @harpershattuck1025
    @harpershattuck1025 Před 5 měsíci +482

    i genuinely believe that a lot of ethels songs have a triple meaning-- almost like the holy trinity. always about 3 men: her father, god, and a love interest. i absolutely adore your interpretations-- so glad i stumbled across this. Ethel Cain is one of my absolute favorite artists ever. Saw her live in DC

  • @eileenscat
    @eileenscat Před 6 měsíci +410

    I honestly love the fact that some of her songs explore all these dark themes. It never feels disrespectful in its execution, if anything it feels honest, and that’s some catharsis victims of abuse rarely get from any other sources.

    • @soggyshrimp
      @soggyshrimp Před 2 měsíci +16

      right like ptolomaea speaks so much to me. i loved the execution and the religious innuendos she used to execute the point of the song

  • @billohara7363
    @billohara7363 Před 7 měsíci +457

    I think Hayden once said the ''person' she's singing about in head in the wall is a personification of her own trauma from her childhood.

    • @jasonvoorhees5640
      @jasonvoorhees5640 Před 3 měsíci +2

      is hayden the guys real name?

    • @fionaslatteryyy
      @fionaslatteryyy Před 3 měsíci +23

      ethel cain is a persona/stage name she created for this saga, hayden silas anhedönia is her real name

    • @kobiecarroll3169
      @kobiecarroll3169 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@jasonvoorhees5640*The girl's

    • @jupiterskallisto7302
      @jupiterskallisto7302 Před 2 měsíci +13

      Just fyi, Hayden is female and goes by she/her. I hope this was by accident because you didn't know any better and not because you woke up today and wanted to be shitty...

    • @jasonvoorhees5640
      @jasonvoorhees5640 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@jupiterskallisto7302
      wym dude?

  • @Jessiethechildofgod
    @Jessiethechildofgod Před 8 měsíci +310

    BC HE FREAKING ATE HER 😭😭

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +46

      he fREAKING ATE HER

    • @spectra3295
      @spectra3295 Před měsícem +4

      @@znekkk yes! 😭😭

  • @mliyahc9464
    @mliyahc9464 Před 7 měsíci +274

    haydens storytelling is so amazing i really hope she gets into writing books possibly someday or maybe films. i think what really drew me into her music is how cinematic it was but also the lyricism was some of the best songwriting ive seen in recent years.

    • @Danksigmalord
      @Danksigmalord Před 6 měsíci +38

      She's said that the Preacher's Daughter series will be a trilogy, covering the daughter, then the mother, and finally the grandmother. At some point she also said each one is getting an album, book, and movie which is great. I think she said it'll take atleast 9 years tho 😕

    • @mliyahc9464
      @mliyahc9464 Před 6 měsíci +6

      @@Danksigmalord i am SO ready for this omg

    • @Midnightconfessional
      @Midnightconfessional Před měsícem +3

      @@Danksigmalord omg 9 years from when? I need to know 😭

    • @Danksigmalord
      @Danksigmalord Před měsícem +5

      @@Midnightconfessional idk probablu when Preacher's Daughter came out- also she didn't make a specific schedule of when things are being made/coming out, this is just her guess

  • @Maria-vt1yf
    @Maria-vt1yf Před 8 měsíci +245

    To me, the abuser in the song inbred is the brother. It sounds like she is trauma bonded and committed to saying he’s a good person

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +26

      ooo interesting take

    • @elizabethhuber434
      @elizabethhuber434 Před 5 měsíci +27

      That is how I understood it as well. If you have heard Two Children in a Motel, it makes more sense.

    • @linkguist6861
      @linkguist6861 Před 5 měsíci +33

      ​@@znekkk this would also make sense because she implies her brother is also the only one who can save her but he has to stop his demons....aka he could stop hurting her.

    • @avaneer8843
      @avaneer8843 Před 19 dny +4

      my own personal opinion i think it's her father who's abusing her and i think her & her brother have something to do with her father's death BUT I DONT KNOW like i know he passing in a fire but i feel as if maybe they caused it and how ethel talks about how she's killed and she will kill again maybe implies her & her brother killed the father but the brother went down for it in the part where it says " who will take the fall" BUT THATS JUST A THEORY I DONT KNOW

  • @charisleighmusic
    @charisleighmusic Před 8 měsíci +370

    Beautifully done.
    A few lines that always break me
    1) “Please can I sleep?” (Hard Times)
    2) “I love you and I’ll see you when you get here.”(Strangers
    3) “I tried to be good am I no good?”(strangers).

    • @Maria-vt1yf
      @Maria-vt1yf Před 8 měsíci +34

      The one that gets me the most is “I’m not scared of god, I’m scared he was gone all along” in inbred

    • @izzie9399
      @izzie9399 Před 4 měsíci +10

      also:
      - "id lie to her and say that im doing fine when really id kms to hold you one more time" (a house in nebraska)
      - "all thats left are your walls and youll die there" (western nights)
      - "im tired of you still tied to me. bleeding whenever you want" (hard times)
      - "please dont look at me, i can see it in your eyes. he keeps looking at me. tell me what have you done." (ptolemaea)
      - "i spend my life watching it go by from the sidelines. and god ive tried" (sun bleached flies)
      - "don't think about it too hard or youll never sleep a wink at night again, dont worry about me or these green eyes" (strangers)
      - "sneaking out while you're asleep cause youre my biggest fear" (misuse oh)
      - "you take all of your sins out on my body like everyone else does" (head in the wall)
      - "you cant win em all. who knows how much longer ill lay on the floor. touch me til i vomit" (inbred)
      - "im not scared of god, im scared he was gone all along" (inbred)
      - "scumbag fuck, but i swear that hes not. hes so good to me and nobody else" (inbred)

    • @naomixuoo8438
      @naomixuoo8438 Před 2 měsíci +3

      or “god loves you but not enough to save you.”

  • @chanelchic6489
    @chanelchic6489 Před 3 měsíci +82

    A prayer app ad on an Ethel Cain video is wild

  • @emilypaul677
    @emilypaul677 Před 9 měsíci +285

    I always interpreted both verses at the end of strangers to be talking to her mother. Saying she didn’t blame her mother for being violent (as is hinted to in family tree) as she now understands it was a response to being “torn apart” being hurt & likely abused by men herself

    • @emilypaul677
      @emilypaul677 Před 9 měsíci +19

      Meaning that she ended up in heaven & is waiting for her mother. Does anyone know if there’s more info from Ethel/Hayden abt it?

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 9 měsíci +9

      @@emilypaul677 ooo i really like that interpretation, idk if hayden's said anything about it, but then again i havent watched many of her livestreams all the way through, so she might have !!

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +10

      i'm making a follow-up video with some of the theories in my comments, can i put this in it?

    • @peachcloudz
      @peachcloudz Před 8 měsíci +6

      This is how I interpreted the lyrics as well and I thought that's what the annotations made note of as well on lyric genius but I could be misremembering.

  • @TheAbigailDee
    @TheAbigailDee Před 8 měsíci +463

    ALL SHE EVER WANTED WAS TO BE TRULY LOVED. What an album! What an artist! What a great description! Well made video!!

  • @MFKitten
    @MFKitten Před 3 měsíci +63

    I see her "real" last name listed as Anhedönia everywhere. Anhedonia is a psychiatric symptom of depression, which describes the inability to enjoy any pleasures.
    I suspect there's one more layer of identity.

    • @faintfangs
      @faintfangs Před měsícem +9

      That’s now her legal last name, but her former family name is Horner

  • @sunbIeachedflies
    @sunbIeachedflies Před 9 měsíci +395

    i love that you described all of her EP’s, they’re often overlooked in her discography. love this video

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 9 měsíci +23

      my favorite project is a tie between inbred and preacher's daughter, and my favorite songs are strangers, knuckle velvet, and two-headed mother (:

    • @sunbIeachedflies
      @sunbIeachedflies Před 9 měsíci +9

      @@znekkk i love strangers!

    • @deathsangel4827
      @deathsangel4827 Před 6 měsíci +5

      oooo someone who also loves two-headed mother! one of her most underrated songs in my opinion (same with strangers) @@znekkk

    • @avedic
      @avedic Před 6 měsíci +5

      The Florida Heat EP is one of my favorites....
      4 songs that sound distinct to everything else she's done. Almost has a trap influence at times. Along with her brand of southern gothic dream pop. Really gorgeous little gem of a mini album.

  • @Varient
    @Varient Před 4 měsíci +69

    the first time I listened to Ptolemaea it scared the shit out of me. It still does.

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 4 měsíci +16

      bro the first time i listened to it, i was outside at like 2am in winter it scared me so bad

    • @Varient
      @Varient Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@znekkk holy crap that would’ve been terrifying

    • @neevagarwal9773
      @neevagarwal9773 Před 3 měsíci +6

      Ptolemaea was the first song of ethel i listened to. I was in the library studying for my exams. I cried in the middle of the library

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@neevagarwal9773 you're so valid

    • @ashlin-dz8ml
      @ashlin-dz8ml Před 28 dny +3

      it scares me so bad that i can’t listen to it. that’s how much of a masterpiece it is. it’s vile and gut wrenching and it actually makes you feel something when you listen to it. it gives me chills every time

  • @briannajohnston1636
    @briannajohnston1636 Před 9 měsíci +319

    This is such a great comprehensive video on Ethel Cain, I'm a huge fan of hers. But I've never seen anyone go in-depth into her EPs so I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts and interpretations on that! One minor thing about the PD lore though: Ethel is murdered in Isaiah's attic and then stored in his basement. I know there's stuff that kind of circulated online about how she was running through the woods, but I believe it was confirmed by Hayden that her murder actually took place in his attic which is why an attic is referenced in Strangers. Also, Hayden said that the loud bang at the end of August Underground is him slamming the door. You did a really great job compiling so much lore into one video! I've been waiting for someone to make a video like this cause I just love hearing how others interpret her work :)

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 9 měsíci +13

      oooo i'm working on captions rn so i'll insert that in there when i get to that (:

  • @mandontlookatme6562
    @mandontlookatme6562 Před 7 měsíci +146

    what a heartbreaking story, all she ever wanted was to be loved

  • @xath3nax
    @xath3nax Před 8 měsíci +143

    I just recently got into Ethel Cain and I’m utterly infatuated with her music. It’s fucking beautiful and your deep dive is perfect.

  • @cassiopeiathew7406
    @cassiopeiathew7406 Před 5 měsíci +80

    I think one of the lines that sticks with me the most is “God loves you, but not enough to save you.” I’m a trans woman, like Hayden, and my relationship to my mother broke me throughout my high school years. I spent so much time arguing and trying to get her to understand who I am, only for her to remain right where she started and slip deeper into the opposite direction because she was unwilling to expand the circumference of what she felt god would think was okay to do and be. She chose god over me and I only really let that sink in recently when I was watching a episode of Brittany Broski’s podcast. I didn’t grow up in a necessarily devout church, the community wasn’t tight and neither was the grip is held on young people. I always fell into the group of kids everybody kind of knew was only ever going to Sunday school because their parents made them, and who probably didn’t believe in god. I think it was the shame of knowing I didn’t and the fear of being wrong that kept me believing as long as I did, which was only into the seventh grade. In the back of my mind I never did really believe in him I don’t think, I just was terrified of that meaning I failed my mother and that her love was conditional. In her eyes I have failed her and I’ve come to learn that her love is conditional, she mentions wanting the best for me but she never has and she has never lifted a finger trying to get me where for years I’ve wanted to go. There was a point in my life where her approval meant so much to me that it was gods approval, that I placed her in my head and not of my intention in the place of god. I had to spend years tearing down that false idol, and now I’m here. I’m young but I’m not going to stay young, I’m trying to transition and I know other trans people, but I’m lost. Nobody is going to save me but myself, and I don’t know how to save myself. But all I know is that I’m going to try. “God loves you, but not enough to save you. So, baby girl, good luck taking care of yourself.”

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 5 měsíci +12

      proud of you for being here today, and i hope your life takes a turn for the better

  • @drowzy888
    @drowzy888 Před 5 měsíci +58

    i need this lore as a movie. god.

    • @B19Wing
      @B19Wing Před 6 dny +1

      Ethel Cain or Hayden will eventually make the album trilogy into books and movies but I'll take the rest of her career most likely

  • @lucia9806
    @lucia9806 Před 7 měsíci +132

    love this! i read somewhere her father dies in a fire and i love the theory that ethel is the one that kills him hence family tree (wanting to be washed off her huge sin of murder, being a child but still violent etc) i also like the idea of “i've killed before and i'll kill again” being literal? also i believe it's in gibson girl that ethel mentions burning while she hallucinates. that could be her guilt of what she did. maybe ethel kills both her father and logan? this would really mean she's an unreliable narrator. it's also interesting to think about how the daughters of cain cult and vera cain fit into this narrative. i can't wait for the next album to develop the narrative further!

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 7 měsíci +14

      omg this is such a cool theory can i mention it in my next video??

    • @beccad225
      @beccad225 Před 7 měsíci +4

      yesss i want to know more about the daughters of cain cult!!!

    • @jaminavestajugo3456
      @jaminavestajugo3456 Před 5 měsíci +5

      If I may build on your interesting idea, it's possible that Ethel feels she is responsible for the death of her father because she told someone--perhaps her mother or grandmother--about the abuse, and that person killed her father. Ethel feels somehow responsible for this, feeling guilty for not finding another way to endure or end the abuse. It sounds extreme, but really a lot of survivors can feel this way somehow. They don't tell someone about abuse because they want to protect the abuser. Or if they tell and the abuser gets punished, they feel like they are the ones who hurt the abuser. Does that make sense?

    • @nanashflash
      @nanashflash Před 4 měsíci +3

      ​@jaminavestajugo3456 that's what I believe. I think the violence she talks about with her mother is that her mother killed her father after finding out what he was doing.
      This is totally speculative, but I don't think she even told her mother, her mother just found out. When she talks about killing, it's as though by existing, she caused her mother to kill her father. She doomed him be existing (which is a twisted thing, because her father blamed her for the abuse he put her through)

  • @ela-cu8bw
    @ela-cu8bw Před 5 měsíci +32

    Fun fact knuckle velvet is fur grown on deer antlers and shed during the summer when deer usually use trees to rub their antlers on, I love how this ties in with knuckle velvet being “torn on my teeth” and if I didn’t know much about deers I’d be lost so o hope this gives more meaning to that song

  • @jacrispyy
    @jacrispyy Před 9 měsíci +141

    “he freaking ate her” im crying 😭💀

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 9 měsíci +20

      he fREAKING ATE HER

    • @EmvyBeats
      @EmvyBeats Před 6 měsíci +1

      Who freaking ate her, ill eat them back!

  • @enzozachtv
    @enzozachtv Před 8 měsíci +126

    My friend is a lesbian and told me about this album. She listens to this when she has religious flashbacks. These religious flashbacks are caused because she grew up going to church and felt that these feelings of her being a lesbian and having to listen to a pastor speaking against same sex relationships every Sunday stressed her out. She barely talks to her dad cause he seems to criticize her for being lesbian, and she is too afraid to discuss it with her mom. She has only admitted her sexuality in front of her dad and wishes she would of done so in front of her mom too. Her mother seems to be really against same sex sexuality’s. I am a bisexual who has questioned my gender for years and it got more serious as I got older. My parents are very religious and criticize that a lot. I’m going through what my friend has had to go through.

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +12

      wow, i'm sorry to hear that :((( im glad your friend found something she connected to

    • @fr33dumb0
      @fr33dumb0 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Can I ask you if you think your homosexuality was something that you were born with or would you attribute it to experience? Or both? Or neither?
      Genuinely curious and if you choose not to answer I totally respect that choice.

    • @iloveyoshiiii
      @iloveyoshiiii Před 3 měsíci +2

      i totally get this especially in my personal interpretation of the lyrics of “strangers” where it repeats “am i no good?” throughout the entire song, which just reminds me of how i feel i disappoint and disgust my mother

    • @Cal-hl5rm
      @Cal-hl5rm Před 3 měsíci +4

      I feel this. I also think queer (and especially trans) people make some of the most interesting, heartbreaking, beautiful horror, because we know what it's like to feel powerless, to feel wrong in our bodies, to feel scared and alone. the themes of self disgust and trauma and being abandoned that make horror scary are unfortunately things a lot of queer people experience first hand. And that really sucks, but art like this helps us get through it.
      I hope you find your people

    • @AdriftInTheWatersGorge
      @AdriftInTheWatersGorge Před 26 dny

      @@fr33dumb0 Can I ask you if you think your Heterosexuality was something that you were born with or would you attribute it to experience? Or both? Or neither?
      Genuinely curious and if you choose not to answer I totally respect that choice.

  • @BullyPop
    @BullyPop Před 8 měsíci +38

    Going from Carpet Bed to Golden Age with the TikTok voice is high camp and I live. 😭 I’m loving this analysis so far!

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +6

      i was so tired i could not be bothered

  • @ailistere
    @ailistere Před 7 měsíci +33

    i've only listened to a few ethel cain songs but after watching this i am absolutely gob smacked the lore is insane im so fascinated

  • @TheNekoPastel
    @TheNekoPastel Před 2 měsíci +19

    "Isaiah FREAKING A-" 😂
    I have fallen into the Ethel Cain rabbit hole 😭😭

  • @jameshulme651
    @jameshulme651 Před 7 měsíci +26

    you FREAKING ATE with this analysis. Hayden is a genius

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 7 měsíci +2

      she really is

  • @angelheart_
    @angelheart_ Před 9 měsíci +55

    me when im autistic:
    bro wow love this so cool thank you

  • @alexhiatt996
    @alexhiatt996 Před 6 měsíci +30

    Ethel Cain had truly changed how I listen to music. After Preachers Daughter a lot of music stopped hitting the same for me.

  • @user-hr6ve6hl4o
    @user-hr6ve6hl4o Před 7 měsíci +38

    I think it’s so interesting how this album can be interpreted in so many ways. I love reading and seeing all the theories. Hayden is such a genius for creating such complex music that can be interpreted differently while also being relatable even if you didn’t go through the things ethel did.

  • @emogoesboom
    @emogoesboom Před 6 měsíci +27

    I have my math's final tomorrow but instead of studying, I just watched the most amazing 38 minute long video essay on Ethel Cain. Honestly, the amount of effort you've put into this video is truly astonishing. I hope you get more recognition. Honestly, my love for Hayden has increased so much after watching this; she's quite possibly the best artist of this generation. Also did I mention, that you freaking ATE this video😭

  • @lucastop9s834
    @lucastop9s834 Před 8 měsíci +55

    Would’ve loved a comment on how Famous Last Words might tie into the story because it also touches on themes of being cannibalized but this is some prime time 10/10 content right here

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +10

      i finished the script like two days before famous last words came out 😭 i wouldve loved to talk about it but i couldnt find the right place in the script

    • @chrispycore
      @chrispycore Před 8 měsíci +2

      famous last words is about the movie “bones and all (2022)”

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +4

      @@chrispycore i know, i'm writing it into a following video and discussing the movie and how some themes carry over

  • @Ultrajay12345
    @Ultrajay12345 Před 9 měsíci +51

    Found out about Ethel/Hayden from the new Ashnikko project, and have been falling in SO MUCH love with all of Hayden's music, this video was amazing, thank you! Loved especially when you talked about the stories going on in the EP's, definitely going to check them out now.

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 9 měsíci +2

    • @DUCKPURGE
      @DUCKPURGE Před 9 měsíci +3

      me too, fallen star was my favourite of her new album

  • @tahlia9035
    @tahlia9035 Před 9 měsíci +33

    I thought maybe Lillies was about Willoughby, and how perfect and pure things were for them and then the "I'm gonna hurt/lose you" is either her sense of self doubt/lack of self worth she may have due to trauma, OR its meant to foreshadow the later events, since in house in Nebraska she talks about how "she's the reason" he's not coming home which could tie into "I know I'm gonna lose you" idk it might be far fetched but that's what I thought, love the vid!

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 9 měsíci +5

      that's a great theory! i never connected that but it makes a lot of sense

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +2

      i'm making a follow-up video with some of the theories in my comments, can i put this in it?

  • @beccad225
    @beccad225 Před 7 měsíci +27

    The instrumentals also say a whole lot! The last couple minutes in Thoroughfare depict s3x/having an 0rgasm (the gradual increase in intensity of her voice, "oh YEAHah", etc). In August Underground, it sounds (to me) like she's disoriented after being drugged/hallucinating, and you can hear a very clear gvnshot and her heartbeat slowly dy!ng out in the end. In Televangelism, the varying piano sounds feel like her ascending to heaven/the afterlife, then fighting with this fate/fighting to stay alive as the piano gets loud and discord-y, and eventually it evens out again as she finally d!es and moves on to the afterlife.
    Also, PHENOMENAL video!! I audibly went "ooohh" at a few points, and laughed out loud at "you're de@d now, have standards." and the repetition of "CUZ HE FREAKIN ATE HER" hahaha. I LOVED this!!!!!!! Thank you

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 7 měsíci +4

      i LOVE how expressive the instrumentals are

    • @beccad225
      @beccad225 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@znekkk shes a musical genius

    • @itschrissspy
      @itschrissspy Před 3 měsíci +4

      in August Underground, it's not actually a gunshot but Isaiah slamming the attic door, leaving Ethel to die

  • @intrepidpatience
    @intrepidpatience Před 6 měsíci +18

    hayden anhedonia’s entire philosophy on the ring and the maze brings me so much clarity in my perspective

  • @thomaslacabane8811
    @thomaslacabane8811 Před 8 měsíci +33

    Girl yassss ! I discovered Ethel like 2 weeks ago, and she's already my 6th most streamed artist all-time on Spotify. Preacher's Daughter is like the best piece of art on earth period. I listened to her EPs as well, and loved all 3 them, but didn't really dive into them so hearing you explaining them so in depth was very interesting to me. I've been literally obsessed with her music for the past few weeks and I'm gonna have an oral presentation focused on Preacher's Daughter for uni in English class (as I'm not a native English speaker), and I'll definitely use your video and interpretations to make my own script for my work. Thank you for diving into Ethel's discography, she literally deserves a literature nobel prize for it.

  • @loladgomez
    @loladgomez Před 7 měsíci +8

    this video was exactly what i needed! i love the PD album, but all the little details escaped me on my first listen. hearing your breakdown really helped solidify the story in my mind.

  • @Greg-it4fu
    @Greg-it4fu Před 8 měsíci +14

    Thank you for putting this all together. Hayden's music makes me speechless. We all have our own problems, trauma, pain, and stress. But listening to her music helps fill the emptiness of feeling alone. It's been a little over a year of me listening to her and I still get the chills, tears, and amazement with nearly all of her songs. I'm also super glad you mentioned Strangers being your favorite. That was the one that changed me. Thanks again

  • @micahlee7191
    @micahlee7191 Před 18 dny +4

    i just realized head in the wall is the same instrumental as head in the ceiling fan by title fight and i love ethel now more than ever

  • @78fahrenheit
    @78fahrenheit Před 8 měsíci +4

    Muito Obrigada! Eu estava esperando um video de explicação sobre os EP e o álbum Preach Daughter. Você é muito necessária 💗💕

  • @hunteralderman3050
    @hunteralderman3050 Před 8 měsíci +26

    I personally have always taken Sunday Morning as a bit of a 50's housewife situation but with an unhappy home life. Somewhat like Dollhouse by Melanie Martinez. The wife (Ethel) trying to do whatever possible to please the husband, but it does nothing. He only sees her as somewhat of a machine to toy around with. (I'm sorry, I have no idea if that makes any sense.)

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +3

      i love this interpretation!! can i mention it in my next video??

    • @hunteralderman3050
      @hunteralderman3050 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@znekkkim a little late, but sure!

  • @henriquenavesdasilva244
    @henriquenavesdasilva244 Před 2 měsíci +7

    omg, i loved the video. i always liked Ethel's music, but i just recently got into the lore (and realized she was a character). One can tell you're a true fan and that you enjoy her songs just as much as me. Glad you made thia video, thank you 🖤

  • @sunbIeachedflies
    @sunbIeachedflies Před 6 měsíci +14

    i had to rewatch this because it was so good and thought out. thanks sm for making this because there’s not a ton of videos on Ethel despite the fact that she makes masterpieces

  • @juunebuugg
    @juunebuugg Před 9 měsíci +17

    oh I’m only a few seconds in and I literally know pretty much all of her lore but anytime I see someone else talking about it in depth I get so excited

  • @gabrielar4966
    @gabrielar4966 Před 3 měsíci +2

    This is such a great video I love how you made sure it's as atmospheric as everything about ethel.

  • @jaxsonsmith0505
    @jaxsonsmith0505 Před 8 měsíci +11

    Wanted to make a video like this for a long time, never got around to it. Very happy someone did and it’s probably more comprehensible then I could hahaha. Love it

  • @friskybriskyy3997
    @friskybriskyy3997 Před 7 měsíci +4

    I love this! Thank you for making it.

  • @lindsey3904
    @lindsey3904 Před 9 měsíci +12

    i’ve been listening to ethel cain for like a month now and it never even occurred to me thst all the songs were related this is sick as hell keep it up

  • @coconatte9205
    @coconatte9205 Před 6 měsíci +4

    I love this video, whenever I feel bad I search for anything Ethel related, it really helped me ❤

  • @Moonsong_
    @Moonsong_ Před 7 měsíci +17

    I adore Hayden. I also would like to share this little something: months ago when I listened to Preacher’s daughter for the first time I made up my own opinion about televangelism’s possible meaning, since she was the daughter of the preach and she disappeared out of nowhere + televangelists go on tv to share religious messages, I thought that a televangelist had shared her death on tv or that someone had done some sort of ceremony durning the song. I know this isn’t right but just wanted to say this rq.

  • @QuietJosie
    @QuietJosie Před 2 měsíci +5

    My friend introduced me to Ethel Cain while we were on a trip (I was driving), and I was so blown away by the vocals, the instrumentals, and the heartbreaking story. I've lived my whole life trying to end the generational trauma in my family (sa and other forms of abuse from older family members, religious trauma as well), and I never really had anything/anyone to truly understand some of the things I went through until my friend played Preacher's Daughter.... and now that I have a better understanding of what the songs mean (thanks to you Znekkk) it's made me even more drawn to Ethel and her story. Thank you for going in depth, it's helped me feel less alone :)

  • @finch2828
    @finch2828 Před 28 dny +3

    I personally like to think that during the last chorus of Strangers (repetition of "am i making you feel sick?") is ethel's final cry of frustrations, with each question repeated over and over again, she changes courses from asking if she's no good to making sure that she's no good (in his stomach lol) her first and final victory against him (giving him food poisoning), and she milks it by reiterating the question over and over again, as if mocking him, before finally moving on and changing her audience towards her parents

  • @dphare
    @dphare Před 9 měsíci +5

    omg! im surprised this video is so fresh... idk how i stumble into this channel but i love ethel. good luck with the channel :)

  • @yavral4
    @yavral4 Před 6 měsíci +13

    I interpret two headed mother as her somewhat showing her power over the men who abuse her. She puts herself on a pedestal as an all-knowing mother who creates and kills anything she wishes to. In a pretty metaphorical sense though, I really can't figure out any specific event going on in the song.
    Thought it is fully possible that she's lying to herself in an attempt to deal with her trauma better. And you're right the quitar is amazing in this one :]

  • @evermiao
    @evermiao Před měsícem +2

    you are a life saver fr! i seriously had no idea about this thing called “ethel cain lore”. i started listening to her music and i clearly GOT NOTHING IN MY MIND! but still, im impressed with her musics and i found out it’s a storytelling which is 10000 times better 😭 she truly gave me the biggest impact through her albums, thank you so much to you too for making this video! god loves you~

  • @iloveblackwomen.
    @iloveblackwomen. Před 9 měsíci +7

    I just got into ethel and searched the lore and this popped up like it was calling my name

  • @sunshine-gs4hc
    @sunshine-gs4hc Před 16 dny +4

    I like just got into ethel and I didn't even know she has a storyline!! Tysm for the video explaining it!!

  • @amerocker
    @amerocker Před 4 měsíci +4

    You have a calming, soothing voice. I've never heard of Ethel Cain. I guess I have to listen to some of her songs now.

  • @VOByRobbins
    @VOByRobbins Před 5 měsíci +2

    Well done video, thanks --- enjoyed your narration and explanations/interpretation of her music--

  • @uwillalwaysbefamous
    @uwillalwaysbefamous Před 6 měsíci +3

    appreciate the captionsssssss great video!!!

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 6 měsíci

      thank you for reminding me to finish the captions

  • @arielle2216
    @arielle2216 Před 8 měsíci +7

    you did an amazing job with this analysis

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +5

      thank you!!

  • @milangelos.
    @milangelos. Před měsícem +4

    not the therapy ad i got while watching this 💀💀

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před měsícem +2

      probably useful

  • @ianmontgomery438
    @ianmontgomery438 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Wow! what an amazing analysis. Congrats!!!

  • @chazlabreck
    @chazlabreck Před měsícem +3

    Thanks for breaking this down and the fact its a long story of Ethel is brilliant on this artists part...

  • @euphoriaasick
    @euphoriaasick Před 6 měsíci +9

    i thought August underground was just the sound of ethel slowly dying in the attic

  • @michaelpeters8507
    @michaelpeters8507 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Thank you so much for this. I discovered Ethel when she supported boygenius in London in August and have hardly listened to anything else since!

  • @firebrnd13
    @firebrnd13 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Wow, great analysis. Thanks!

  • @liacamp9
    @liacamp9 Před 5 měsíci +20

    wow, i didn't interpret the ending of strangers as Ethel meeting her dad. to me it was always beautiful and powerful that ethel would go to heaven despite the things she did since a large part of it wasn't her fault, she was just led by the circumstances. she was a girl (trans or not) who was a victim of her abusive father and her mother's neglect, which later led her to never truly know what love was, falling under the trap of abusive men, mixing lust and violence for love (and if she really was kidnapped by isaiah, the whole thing was probably stockholm syndrome, my god). the fact that she goes to heaven means that she is excused of everything, because society, religion, generational trauma, and patriarchy are what truly killed her in the end. or maybe i'm just coping because i need to see some silver lining in this fucking miserable story and all the horrible real stories that exist out there lmao
    to me, the final lines of strangers are all said to her mother, which is the only person ethel now see's that she could trust. she is telling her mother that she traveled far, both in life and made it to heaven/after life and that she loves her, despite her mother's love being about violence, mistrust and apparently distant enough to end up in neglect.
    edit: ptolemaea is also such an interesting song! sometimes i interpret the final lines as death speaking, like you said, but sometimes i listen to it and it kinda sounds like it could be Fate, which is this character-not-a-character that exists throughout this album (and the whole cain women trilogy, probably). it's so grim to think that Fate will take her and all the women in her family tree. they will all go through it, no matter how they try to escape it: they will be abused and either live the prison her mother lived, or die trying to escape. cain women can't escape Fate. either way, it's such a cathartic song about abuse that so many people can unfortunately relate to. i just love how hayden's songs are so open to interpretation, she's a genius!

  • @written12
    @written12 Před 6 měsíci +6

    Excellent overview, she’s a new artist to me and I’m glad I stumbled upon your video.
    One little thing- don’t bother with trigger warnings. I know you mean well but people need to know that art sometimes tackles difficult things.
    Anyway, thanks. I like your voice quality on the video. It goes well with the mood of the music.

  • @chcrlxttc
    @chcrlxttc Před 26 dny +1

    amazing video thank you sm!!

  • @parkerburgio
    @parkerburgio Před 9 měsíci +4

    thank you for this!!!

  • @koikun
    @koikun Před 3 měsíci +2

    she's one of my top artists, and probably will be, til the day I die.. I loved your analysis video, and found it both entertaining and informative. 💙

  • @samanthalacerda5362
    @samanthalacerda5362 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Absolutely love the video ♡ Thanks

  • @aubryhayden6537
    @aubryhayden6537 Před 3 dny +1

    Amazing vid. Thanks!!!

  • @kashmere1286
    @kashmere1286 Před měsícem +3

    The “He FREKING ate her” made me less sad and smile so much

  • @WhitneyDahlin
    @WhitneyDahlin Před 23 dny +4

    ‼️Ptolemaea is my FAVORITE song! It's how I discovered her music and I still think it is the best song she's ever put out. It's so unique and haunting and how the sounds of flies buzzing actually plays into the beats and tones and lyrics. Its a reference to Beelzebub one of the seven demon princes who's other name is Lord of the flies. He's the demon of gluttony and envy. She's just so creative this song is so unique. There's so much symbolism in it. Her voice is haunting and perfect and the atonal instrumentals behind it just creates sucha fantastic listening experience. Atonal instrumentals are commonly used in horror movies especially demon possession movies as the backing soundtrack. I can literally go on and on about this song all day. Imo its her best work and it will always be my favorite.

  • @Ulkavyn
    @Ulkavyn Před 6 měsíci +3

    Quite literally thank you so much, now my hyperfixation ass doesn’t have to go searching for lore everywhere. ❤ appreciate your work

  • @donutrapture
    @donutrapture Před 5 měsíci +3

    Thank you for this breakdown! Came thru my algorithm just as I was fixing to dive deeper into this artist. I'd love to hear your take on the Lingua Ignota discography! Subbed so fingers crossed 🤞🤞

  • @stephaniehanley1016
    @stephaniehanley1016 Před 4 měsíci +5

    I came here before I listen to her music. My sister told me to check out her music and now I’m very invested. I’m currently in a medical treatment center recovering alcohol use & mental health. I definitely need some new music to get through the next few weeks.

  • @emmelinesprig489
    @emmelinesprig489 Před 7 měsíci +6

    I’ve seen Ethel Cain songs around on recommendations, but I can’t recall listening to her music. This video was fascinating and now I need to listen to the whole discography.

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 7 měsíci

      my mission has been accomplished 🫡

  • @JaiProdz
    @JaiProdz Před měsícem +1

    Great video!!!! You have a talent!

  • @theMuzicpainter
    @theMuzicpainter Před 5 dny +1

    I'm 36 years old and have listened to a hell of a lot of music in my life. On that note, I have listened to a hell of a lot of dark music in my life, including some very disturbing and rough underground Black Metal and experimental metal albums. Nothing has ever creeped into my core like this album did, and I applaud Ethel for that. She perfectly matched the darkness of the content of her music with enough non dark elements to make everything far more impactful and painful than anything I have ever heard before. There's an eerie liminal nostalgia to it all that is almost like a dream from childhood (I grew up in Missouri and I can't quite explain it, but she captured the dark underbelly feeling of small town midwestern life). Hayden is a master artist, there is no doubt. I look forward to seeing what she does next, but it'll be hard to beat Preachers Daughter. As of now, this is her magnum opus, and that's one hell of a way to start a career!

  • @jjjtpln
    @jjjtpln Před 3 měsíci +3

    I've never heard of Ethel Cain until this video popped up in my feed.
    Listened to the Nebraska song a couple times. Brought tears both times.

  • @feralpossum4389
    @feralpossum4389 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Ik this is a reach, but for me in the song inbred the abuser is her brother, and the verse ‘who will take the fall, who of us is stronger’? References insest and the medical side effects, like the album name ‘Inbred’

  • @AlfredynaFjermeros
    @AlfredynaFjermeros Před 4 měsíci +2

    I just stumbled across the video . Never heard of Ethel Cain . Loved the narrative voice and the storytelling in the video.

  • @GiveUsThisDaisyBread
    @GiveUsThisDaisyBread Před 8 měsíci +11

    THANK YOU - this is the kind of in depth video i've been looking for. None of the others were satisfying me enough!! lol

    • @znekkk
      @znekkk  Před 8 měsíci +1

      i couldn't find one either, so i made it myself (:

  • @satyrosphilbrucato9140
    @satyrosphilbrucato9140 Před 4 měsíci +3

    That was awesome. Thank you.

  • @transqueerchaos
    @transqueerchaos Před 6 měsíci +5

    Ohmygod I love this. I'm a newer daughter of cain and thank you so much

  • @herosuper2253
    @herosuper2253 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I have only just discovered her and come here to see if I could understand the album. Holy **** was not expecting this much storyline and depth. Can’t wait for her future realises. Also thanks for the video I👏 how you explained the albums so I could easily understand even when I had no understanding of the story at all.

  • @weekndconcert
    @weekndconcert Před 7 měsíci +4

    i’m so in love with her and her music

  • @SkinnyEatWorld95
    @SkinnyEatWorld95 Před 7 měsíci +4

    I love a good long lore video

  • @weirdreads
    @weirdreads Před 7 měsíci +4

    i discovered ethel in 2019 through carpet bed and have been in love with her music ever since. she speaks to my past in ways that no other artist (besides lana del rey) is able

  • @madisynminsky6987
    @madisynminsky6987 Před 4 měsíci +5

    it’s crazy to me that mother cain sampled head in the ceiling fan by title fight for head in the wall

  • @s0undf0rm
    @s0undf0rm Před 4 měsíci +3

    Just discovered that Ethel character yesterday....spectacular work of art on so many levels