The Titanic - Truth Or Fiction- Dead Reckoning

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  • @SirRiotGaming
    @SirRiotGaming  Před 3 měsíci

    MUSEUM QUALITY TITANIC 1:200 DIECAST, WOODGRAIN, FULL FUNCTIONAL
    czcams.com/video/z9GAPt0T6rI/video.htmlsi=aP92IeCB6aB5oIjz

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem +3

    17:22 If the Californian had responded that same way Capt Lord and his crew would've earned big-time recognition

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem +1

    Last Wednesday was a day to remember and today, April 14th, is "A Night to Remember"

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem +2

    15:04 If Capt Smith still had any hope after carpenter John Hutchinson and mail clerk Iago Smith told him the ship was making water fast if was dispelled for good by Andrews's dire verdict; as the ship's designer and architect at least Ismay and Cpt Smith felt that he would know the ship more intimately than anyone else

  • @Riot-XD12
    @Riot-XD12 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Congratulations on 25,000 views 🎊🎉

  • @rogerrendzak8055
    @rogerrendzak8055 Před 3 měsíci +5

    WOW!!!! New important details, that I never knew about. If they knew this, just 4 years afterwards, why wasn't another inquiry, set up??? Just to set, the record straight. Very good, documentary👍!!!!

    • @aj6954
      @aj6954 Před měsícem

      They would have been more concerned with World War 1.

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung Před měsícem

      @@aj6954 I guess

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem +2

    April 10th is a day to remember, and April 14th-15th is "A Night to Remember"

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem +1

    17:01 That night sure crackled , as David McCallum said one time, "with news far too extraordinary to believe"

  • @mackmitchell94
    @mackmitchell94 Před 5 měsíci +13

    Yo this documentary is horseshit . The mount temple was 60 miles away from the actual position of the titanic when she first picked up the distress calls, that’s farther than the Carpathia was . So you’re telling me that the mount temple somehow teleported to being five miles from the titanic some four hours (at least) before it could’ve gotten there ?? So close, that they could see the titanic sinking and the people on the titanic could see them ?? Not buying it. Wow Senan Molony really damaged his “titanic historian” credentials with this one . Look, I get people like Stanley Lord and don’t want him to be a captain that failed to come to the Titanic’s rescue, but he did . It’s wrong he was vilified, it’s wrong he was blamed for the disaster and his image tainted forever by the events of that tragic night . But the Californian was the only ship close enough to be of assistance. The Californian was the mystery ship, the crew and officers even saw the rockets which could’ve only been Titanic’s. Lord was tired from working all day and didn’t think it was anything serious so he went back to sleep while people died in the Atlantic . That’s tough, that’s his fault . But it’s not his fault that Titanic was speeding through an ice field despite various warnings, you can’t blame anyone for that disaster. But Stanley Lord should’ve turned on his wireless, I’m sure it’s a decision that haunted him for the rest of his life .

    • @healthhappinessandwellbein6729
      @healthhappinessandwellbein6729 Před 4 měsíci +2

      There is definitely some interesting points you make

    • @gokulgopan4397
      @gokulgopan4397 Před 4 měsíci +2

      As far as the crew of Titanic was concerned, no warnings had icebergs in their direct path and they took the precautionary measures by adding lookouts to look for ice and growlers and took the far South route. The warnings of the exact icefield Titanic encountered didn't reach the bridge. And as other captains testified they did the standard procedures, to pass potential dangerous waters as fast as they could and only to stop if they saw something serious.

    • @mackmitchell94
      @mackmitchell94 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@rachaelhogan7850 I definitely said he deserves blame for not taking more initiative. If he had turned on his wireless, he would’ve came to know what was going on and that the ship his crew was seeing could only be the titanic . Most of the passengers and crew could’ve been saved, but Lord went back to sleep and spent the rest of his life trying to explain. Some titanic historians, many featured in this debauched “documentary” try to make up stories to exonerate Stanley Lord from any blame, “oh no, there was a third ship that came between Titanic and Californian and that’s why the Californian still saw the Titanic’s rockets but the ship they were seeing was completely different” lmao. The main defense and point Lord had in the courts was that the ship seemed to steam away sometime after 2 am Stanley Lord at British inquiry: “a ship that is in distress does not steam away from you my lord (lord Mersey who was leading the inquiry) how can a ship that’s in distress steam away” and also that the ship they saw seemed smaller than the magnificent Titanic “there’s no mistaking a ship like the Titanic at sea, whether at night or during daylight”. The reason the ship seemed to steam away was because Titanic was sinking, and the ship disappearing sometime after 2 am is because the ship finally went under, his men watched the greatest maritime disaster happen from 10 miles away and didn't do anything because their captain was negligent. However, Captain Smith and all of his officers who were the pride of white star knew they were near ice, they didn't know just how huge and dense it was but they knew and they didn't extra lookouts like pretty much every other vessel in the area did. Overconfidence and complacency is a key theme in the story of the titanic . More could've been done to avoid the tragedy, but it wasn't done because they hadn't had to do it in past voyages . Also, they really believed in their vessel, they believed the ship was unsinkable . Captain Smith and Thomas Andrews are qouted as saying on that very voyage that Titanic could be split into three parts and still remain afloat, an eerie and foreboding assertion since the ship violently split into three peices during it's final death throes .

    • @josephgregorowicz5135
      @josephgregorowicz5135 Před 2 měsíci

      @@mackmitchell94 Historic Travels just put out a great video about the "divided in 3 parts and still float" comment.
      But as far as Titanic steaming full speed into an ice field.....that too is horseshit. Titanic did not have all the boilers lit. She was not at her maximum speed. This was not a race. And the cold hard fact is the night was calm and moonless, and the cold water mirage made it difficult to spot the berg. Smith and his crew did everything they could to avoid the possibility of what happened. Fate just took over.
      And yes, the closest ship was the Californian. How thats not absolute common knowledge by now is insane. This documentary kept bad mouthing the Mount Temple, saying they didnt try communicating afain or falsified logs. Sorry, they were on the opposite side of the ice field, farther away than even Carpathia, and DID continue to message Titanic and other ships, even if Titanic didnt answer back. Only time ships stopped trying to reach titanic was when Olympic told everyone to clear the channel so they could get the news on behalf of White Star and determine the best course of action. A listen to "Titanic In Her Own Words" will give you an idea of the chaos the wireless operators found themselves in at that moment.

    • @evil1by1
      @evil1by1 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I'm a person who's very harsh on Lord and I agree with your statement. Ultimately both inquiries were correct to chastise him but stop short of formal charges. You have to bear in mind, rendering aid at sea isnt a request .. it is a requirement IF you are aware of it. He wasn't. Should he have been? Absolutely. The statements alone were damning
      He knew the Titanic was visible and its approximate location by both his conversations on deck with other officers on watch about the lights on the horizon and his sending an ice warning prior. He admitted he thought it Titanic and thought her stopping was due to his prior message about ice, so nothing unusual.
      He was repeatedly asked about the "queer" looking lights and he dismissed those concerns.
      He was told about the presumed morse signaling and had signals sent back in reply but did not even attempt to wake the wireless. He clearly at this point had suspicions about whatever ship was visible on the horizon and did nothing.
      He was told the ship had now progressed to firing rockets and he chose to double down on the "well its not exactly correct in color and timing" what rational person sees a ship... sees what they believe to be morse lamps and then sees something that may be distress rockets and goes " nah fuck it, im sure they are fine" and HAS A WIRELESS ONBOARD! He didn't even bother trying to pop on to just check the temperature in the room so to speak, and it wasn't because of any social decorum around not working men round the clock till they dropped. Harold Bride was plucked from the water with 2 badly frostbitten feet and was near immediately put back to work helping run carpathias wireless. Waking one grumpy wireless operator for an hour is nbd. Let us not forget he was suspicious enough that he did not retire to his quarters but laid his entire 6ft frame to rest fully clothed on a couch instead just in case.
      That said ..was he guilty? No. He was guilty of being criminally stupid and incurious if anything but being dumb and stubborn isn't a crime. He didn't think to take any action simply because the idea of Titanic sinking was just that unthinkable to him. It literally had to be anything else because it certainly couldn't be the greatest, newest, safest ship in the world being in any sort of real trouble. Even other ships hearing her sink couldnt comprehend she was minutes from going down and asked if she was steaming to meet them if they even believed she needed aid at all.

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem +1

    Here's why the Titanic's story will never die: (1) she was the largest movable man-made object of her day, (2) she excelled in luxury appointments, (3) it was her maiden voyage (of all voyages), (4) there were many celebrities of the day on board, (5) there was already a lot of talk about all her features before she was ever launched (including her "unsinkability"), and (6) the Titanic was the first ship in living memory to be sunk by an iceberg.

  • @nicholasaslanides9703
    @nicholasaslanides9703 Před 4 měsíci +7

    So much misinformation, the mystery ship was the californian...all other ships were too far away....there was also a cold water mirage that night...hard to tell where the sky stopped and the horizon started...

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před 21 dnem

    I found these stats interesting here: Col Gracie was the first adult survivor to die (December 4 1912), Lookout Reginald Lee was the first crew member to die (August 6 1913), Joseph Boxhall was the last officer to die (April 25 1967), and Michel Navratil was the last male survivor to die (January 30 2001). Then, of course, the very last survivor to pass away was Millvina Dean (May 31 2009)

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    9:46 I forget how exactly Walter Lord worded it but he did say something like if only Phillips didn't cut the Californian off. That was one of Walter Lord's if-onlys which he said stirred him "more than anything"

  • @healthhappinessandwellbein6729

    This is a great video riot cheers for sharing

  • @carolinawestern3875
    @carolinawestern3875 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I used to wonder if the coal bunkers had water tight doors. Could the leak been contained. But realized they didn't join up together. If it had a double hull, even with the smallest dead space between them. It could've been saved and limped into dry dock. This was an awful tragedy though.

  • @ashleyshelton3748
    @ashleyshelton3748 Před 5 měsíci +9

    😱 this is absolutely incredible. I cannot believe i haven't seen this before. Thankyou for sharing

    • @SirRiotGaming
      @SirRiotGaming  Před 5 měsíci +6

      It’s definitely interesting and an eye opener, no problem thank you for watching

    • @johnsmith-rs2vk
      @johnsmith-rs2vk Před 4 měsíci +2

      Great stuff . Many thanks .

    • @johnsmith-rs2vk
      @johnsmith-rs2vk Před 4 měsíci +2

      Yep , a great Vid . Very informative . Many thanks .

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung Před měsícem +1

      Good footage

  • @christophercole8114
    @christophercole8114 Před 4 měsíci +3

    While this is certainly interesting, ultimately I don't believe it absolves Stanley Lord at all. Assuming that Mount Temple was the mystery ship (and I think there's plenty of evidence to say it was not), the Californian's own officers testified that they saw the flares being launched, they noticed the ship in the water in a way that was unusual, they tried using Morse lamps to signal the ship but got a garbled response and they kept mentioning how odd it all seemed to be.
    Lord did not order the Marconi operator to check and see if there was any unusual activity in the area, and he seemed to find some sort of excuse for every action he didn't take. Whether or not he and the Californian could have saved any more lives can be a matter of debate, but it seems to me that there's enough circumstantial evidence to say he knew something was wrong but failed to take all appropriate action and render whatever aid he could have. That would be true regardless of there being any other ships nearby.

  • @patrickrichmond9896
    @patrickrichmond9896 Před 5 měsíci +5

    I am glad that you decided to use some scenes from a video game as a way to teach people what has happened as sometimes only way people can learn is from a video game. Which can be true. I have a popular video game called "American Truck Simulator" which teaches about truck driving and it has some safety features in the game that teaches about safety while on the highway. I am glad that there are ship simulation games out there so people can learn from mistakes that were made when the Titanic ran.

  • @Firemarioflower
    @Firemarioflower Před 4 měsíci +2

    0:12 WOW the break-up actually was drawn in a newspaper??? Cool

    • @princessinmittens4783
      @princessinmittens4783 Před 3 měsíci

      Can't be true because no one even believed Eva Hart who talked about that happening. No one believed that until 1985

  • @johnsmith-rs2vk
    @johnsmith-rs2vk Před 4 měsíci +4

    400 tons of water per minute flooding in .

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung Před měsícem +1

      That was sure enough to instantly doom the ship

  • @johnsmith-rs2vk
    @johnsmith-rs2vk Před 4 měsíci +3

    Jumping from the Golden Gate Bridge .

  • @Firemarioflower
    @Firemarioflower Před 4 měsíci +2

    There may have been strange things surrounding the Mount Temple and its logbook, but the Titanic's logbook was gone with the ship as well, even Californian's logbook mysteriously vanished.

  • @smoke3zone1
    @smoke3zone1 Před rokem +6

    Mad interesting the stories and more so the conspiracy theories of the Titanic the unsinkable ship. This is a great angle.

    • @SirRiotGaming
      @SirRiotGaming  Před rokem +2

      Legend brother yes even after 110 years it’s still being spoken about

    • @healthhappinessandwellbein6729
      @healthhappinessandwellbein6729 Před 6 měsíci +1

      It’s very interesting

    • @aj6954
      @aj6954 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Without the conspiracy angle, it would just be another historical tragedy.

    • @TimothyZakaria
      @TimothyZakaria Před 3 měsíci

      @SirRiotGaming I believe that the Titanic came from Canada and it never made it to Northern Ireland. The rescue ship basically saved the survivors and they went back to Ireland. It could of been really cold but the question is how long were they waiting for the rescue ship. If there was an iceberg it would of affected the rescue boats

    • @TimothyZakaria
      @TimothyZakaria Před 3 měsíci

      ​@SirRiotGaming the rescue ship couldn't sail to NY because of the sinking I don't think it was an iceberg just my opinion

  • @SirRiotGaming
    @SirRiotGaming  Před rokem +13

    Thanks for watching this video if your are interested in the titanic we are building a fully functional die cast model and upload regularly. Hit the like and sub for more, have a great day ❤

    • @SirRiotGaming
      @SirRiotGaming  Před 3 měsíci

      czcams.com/video/z9GAPt0T6rI/video.htmlsi=aP92IeCB6aB5oIjz

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    11:41 I think Murdoch may have eventually chosen to just go down with the ship rather than potentially facing hefty, utterly unpleasant grilling at court - and possibly jailtime. Capt Smith and Thomas might've so chosen too; they both knew exactly that the Titanic had far from enough lifeboats

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    35:36 That was Sen. Smith's way of making sure Ismay didn't sneak away.

  • @xl_official
    @xl_official Před rokem +7

    The titanic was one of the most tragic events in human history!!! Crazy vid to get
    You thinking🤔💪🏼🙏🏼 LESGOOO

    • @SirRiotGaming
      @SirRiotGaming  Před rokem +2

      I’m legit obsessed with the ship bro

    • @doctorgreenfinger4792
      @doctorgreenfinger4792 Před 2 měsíci

      Titanic was something different aye! Long live the beauty

    • @aj6954
      @aj6954 Před měsícem

      On a table of casualties for just peacetime and non naval sinkings in wartime, Titanic rates only about 8th.

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung Před měsícem

      It is one of many good vids here on CZcams it is mighty awesome that we get to watch all this stuff for free

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    2:46 That's why the Titanic actually didn't get as much attention and publicity as the Olympic; by the time she sailed it was all old news

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    During her far too brief sea trials the Titanic was tested at how long she would need to completely stop. She needed 850yds her top recorded speed was 20kn and it took her 3:15s to stop. All this information was to be of no use in the late evening of Apr 14th. (The Olympic's and Titanic's sea trials seem very perfunctory when compared to those of the SS United States which lasted a good six weeks.)

  • @aj6954
    @aj6954 Před 6 měsíci +4

    This video deals well with an aspect of the Titanic saga that has come to the fore recently i.e. the identity of the ship seen from Titanic. The official narrative says Californian, and many think that and say it was between 5 and 10 miles away and not the 19.5 miles, but recently more people are now saying it was Mount Temple which causes a problem, and we are now reading that Mount Temple was 50 or 60 miles away which leaves the road clear for it to be Californian. My understanding is that MT answered the call, got to within about 5 miles of the site, shut up shop and sailed away presumably because Moore was forbidden to enter an ice field as the lady historian says, but she also added her disbelief at a ship making no effort to assist a ship in distress. One possibility that did occur was that Moore may have been "got at" and told to keep out of it. There are things connected with this we shall never know about.

  • @Firemarioflower
    @Firemarioflower Před 4 měsíci +2

    31:02 *12.25 A.M. damnit..... Malony himself has made an article about this on Encyclopedia Titanica

  • @MattofCulture
    @MattofCulture Před rokem +6

    Dang didn't know that about it

  • @vo1dfc
    @vo1dfc Před 7 měsíci +18

    That night the Titanic went from this ship is unsinkable to unthinkable. Even if the Titanic had enough life boats there still be a high death toll. There was simply not enough time to get all the life boat away from the ship in time. The boats that the ship had were launched in time and two remaining collapsible life boats simply floated of as the ship sank beneath them. One of then landed upside down was nearly crushed by the first funnel when it collapsed. The force of the fallen funnel washed the overturned collapsible boat clear from the sinking ship where it would save many lives. After the sinking men in the water climbed onto it having to standing on the overturned lifeboat on till the Carpathia arrived.

    • @seannead.wharton4595
      @seannead.wharton4595 Před 6 měsíci +7

      The lack of time was partially due to the fact that the crew weren’t trained on howto oaunch the lifeboats. The lifeboat drill was cancelled due to Sunday church services. Then, they didn’t know if the boats had been tested. That’s why they were half full. If they did the drill, more people would have been saved.

    • @prolificjubilation
      @prolificjubilation Před 5 měsíci +4

      I think if the captain and crew were aware of having enough boats they would have loaded passengers much sooner with a bit more transparency about the situation of the ship’s condition but because they knew there weren’t enough boats, they didn’t want to create chaos. Because knowing this first class and woman with children only minimized the severity of it and wasted too much time which I believe they would have saved many more if not all if anyone wasn’t killed in the collision itself

    • @alanluscombe8a553
      @alanluscombe8a553 Před 5 měsíci +5

      That is correct. It is a shame that they did not have more boats but it would not have helped if they had. They didn’t even have time to launch the two last boats they did have. If they had more boats and reacted immediately then sure more could have been saved but hind sight doesn’t mean anything. I could not imagine how terrifying it would be to experience this event

    • @dovetonsturdee7033
      @dovetonsturdee7033 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@seannead.wharton4595 Apart from the lifeboat drill which had taken place in Southampton on 10 April? Of which you are clearly unaware?

    • @MrSimplesimon007
      @MrSimplesimon007 Před 5 měsíci +4

      Bruce ismay personally had the lifeboats reduced from 48 to 16 plus the 4 collapsible ones, in his own words, people want to look at views of the ocean not lifeboats... And 2 hours is quite a long time to evacuate the ship, certainly most would have been saved, there were those who refused to leave etc but ismay had blood on his hands

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    10:26 I didn't know that (and yet Frederick Fleet knew exactly what that bump on the horizon was, with or without binoculars)

  • @IcarusLhooq-bc7uq
    @IcarusLhooq-bc7uq Před 4 měsíci +4

    ... some nerve for white star to put blame in anyone esle when their own trained officers sent out 500 empty seats... white star owed everyone who d lost anyember of their family for that ok bc ...

  • @nasirhusain797
    @nasirhusain797 Před 12 dny

    instinctively as a Capt. even your actual position was not nearby the disaster point, when you heard and you saw a sign distress call as a state of danger at sea in a great difficulty, an immadiate action has to be taken no matter whatever it takes, why did he ignore SOS sign ? he went to bed and slept well.

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před 26 dny

    A quite interesting story I've heard about Ismay is that around the time "A Night to Remember" was released in November 1955 Walter Lord got a letter from someone in England about the remarkable finish at the 1913 Derby in Epsom Downs. Craganour, the favourite, crossed the line first and was escorted to the winners' circle. Then, without a protest from anyone, it was placed second to Aboyeur. Craganour, Lord's correspondent said, was owned by Bruce Ismay, and I guess it doesn't really need saying that the horse racing establishment would never let his horse win the hallowed Derby after what happened. Walter Lord then went to check the story. Everything turned out to be accurate except for one important detail. Joseph Bruce Ismay didn't own Craganour. His brother, Charles Bower Ismay, did. Still, Craganour remained placed second to Aboyeur. The reason? Craganour's original jockey had been replaced by an American one, Johnny Reiff. I don't know why that was but the move was regarded as immensely unpopular, and at the end of the race during discussions the judges had a golden opportunity to discredit Reiff. Walter Lord, though, said that he still got letters afterwards still linking Bruce Ismay and Craganour together .

  • @karenwiley9702
    @karenwiley9702 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Thank you for sharing this. It is hard to believe that it is 100 years since the sinking of the Titanic.
    I believe that it was a crime.
    I believe that they switched the ships after the Olympic collided with the Hawke. White Star Line insurance refused to cover the repairs. I have a DVD Titanic Schocking Truth. There were two other ships besides the Californian the night Titanic sank.
    The Mount Temple was one of them . The other one was the Sampson. The Sampson was doing illegal activities when she sank

    • @aj6954
      @aj6954 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Some say the Samson was docked in Iceland at the time, but there definitely was a ship in that position and it was firing white rockets (not distress signals), but it had to be Samson as didn`t the captain later admit that they were there and told someone what they saw? It was in that 19.5 miles space between Californian and Titanic but much closer to Californian whose Morse Lamp they must have seen, but we don`t know if they saw anything of Titanic even though they must have been quite a long way away.
      There is evidence that Mount Temple was not far away although it is now claimed to be 50 or 60 miles away. It was not a factor previously.

  • @Matthew10disneyfilms
    @Matthew10disneyfilms Před 4 měsíci +2

    Ok few things; the fact that Evans hanged up his headset was simply because his shift was over. What you can blame him or at least have against him, is that his message to Titanic didn't start with MSG, but with; say old man... a sort of the saying; hey man, how you're doing? MSG was the official code for this is important..
    Second; the Titanic was not racing towards or in an icefield being heard at 29:30 "Unlike the steaming charging Titanic which had been heading with 22 / 23 knots" ... NO; it was not racing, 2 boilers weren't even lit and she was doing exactly what was normal at the time..
    The sad thing is; we will not know what happened, who was the mystery ship, if it was the Californian (I don't think so), if it was the Mt Temple.. I don't know this, never heard it.. This is the only documentary that mentions the Mt Temple..
    I do like it that they don't just think that the Californian was the ship that saw the Titanic
    But the last words; Smith was ultimately responsible for the the death of 1500 people.. That is just so bad.. why oh why would you say this?
    In the end, this is a nice documentary but gets things so totally wrong that.. I just cannot get my head to it.. Especially with cpt Smith. I will end with my own conclusion; Who was responsible is not the issue.. The issue is that 1500 lives were lost that night, a terrible night on a beautiful ship that has become more famous through her death than all the living time of Olympic and all the other ships

    • @hdbabe2006
      @hdbabe2006 Před měsícem

      I'd also never heard of the Mt. Temple until I watched this vid. It's certainly a different take that we finally have a possibility for that "mystery ship" that's been touted all these many years, but why are we just hearing about it NOW??

  • @Riot-XD12
    @Riot-XD12 Před rokem +5

    Great video

  • @khloe7282
    @khloe7282 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Great video, had to share it

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem +1

    22:40 That's because Capt Lord didn't bother getting anyone to wake him up

  • @scabbycatcat4202
    @scabbycatcat4202 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I believe Capt.Smith had it within his power to save most if not all on board Titanic. It is an undisputed fact that a stationary ships light could be seen on the horizon. Had the Titanic gone full speed ASTERN and headed for said ship a certain suction effect would have been created and this would have IMPEDED the ingress of water ( ask any yachtsman how a self bailer works). After about 1 hrs steaming they would be almost at the stationary ship. It would then be a question of trans shipping the passengers using the ships boats.

    • @timothyreed8417
      @timothyreed8417 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I know how a self bailer works and NO it would not work…the seam split was 25 feet below the surface. Deeper than the keel of most sail boats…

    • @scabbycatcat4202
      @scabbycatcat4202 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@timothyreed8417 If the damage was 25ft below the surface the same principle of suction would apply to a certain degree. But even if it did'nt , they had at least 1 hr where the ships propellors were still beneath the surface and in that 1 hr they could easily have steamed 10 miles. The mystery ship would then be in no doubt it was Titanic in distress- everyone saved .

    • @timothyreed8417
      @timothyreed8417 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@scabbycatcat4202
      They didn’t know for sure how far away that mystery ship was. Guesses were from 8 to 20 miles away…
      They were taking on 400 tons of sea water per minute 16,000 tons in the first 40 minutes. You can’t syphon that much water from deep with in a ship.
      A ship isn’t designed to go full speed in reverse. Full speed in reverse would only be about 12-15 knots.
      You stop and inspect for damage…then access your options….you can’t launch lifeboats while underway… if you send out as SOS what position do you give?

    • @scabbycatcat4202
      @scabbycatcat4202 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@timothyreed8417 You have no clue about what you are trying to comment on. If the ship was more than 13 miles away you would not be able to see it anyway with the naked eye. The ship whilst perfectly stationary took over two hours to sink. I know perfectly well what the top speed ASTERN would likely be . If you put a little more thought into this you will have to concede my hypothesis is perfectly true and valid. Within 1 hr of steaming she would have been about 10 miles NEARER the ship and everyone could have been saved.

    • @timothyreed8417
      @timothyreed8417 Před 4 měsíci

      @@scabbycatcat4202
      “Self bailing hulls, are designed to remove water from the boat deck or cockpit area using gravity not pumps of any kind. The water is discharged overboard through the side or the transom…
      …” in short, the cockpit floor of the boat sits higher than the water level outside the boat.”…
      The hole in Titanic was 25 feet below the water level “outside the boat”.
      It’s a matter of physics…and water pressure and head hight….

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    9:46 So, if only Phillips had listened to the Californian's message, the Titanic's fate might've been different. That reminds me of one of Walter Lord's :if-onlys" about the Titanic's story. If only the beg had been sighted sooner (or later). If only the bulkheads were carried one, just one, deck higher. If only the Titanic's departure had been delayed one more time. Walter Lord in A&E's "Titanic: the Complete Story" (1994) said that the Titanic's if-onlys stirred him "more than anything."

  • @Firemarioflower
    @Firemarioflower Před 4 měsíci +2

    There's also the Samson, a seal hunter

  • @rachaelhogan7850
    @rachaelhogan7850 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Wow this is possible so it may not of been the Californian close by

  • @TLO129
    @TLO129 Před 5 dny

    Stanley Lord claimed to his dying day that he never saw the ship on the horizon fire distress rocket, but he did acknowledge that he saw rockets. This is critical, because Titanic did not fire distress rockets. Rockets that signal distress are defined as rockets if any color fired in consistent 60 second intervals. Titanic fired 8 rockets over the course of a little over an hour. Boxhall botched the rocket firing procedure. What Titanic's rockets actually signalled was 'im stopped having navigational trouble, keep clear'
    If Titanic followed the procedure when firing rockets, and did it in 60 second intervals, there would be no mistaking what her rockets actually meant.
    Californian was also stopped, she was about 12-15 miles away from Titanic, so the time elapsed to start the engines and then steam to Titanic's aid would be about the same amount of time it took Carpathia to get to Titanic's position from an already full speed ahead condition. Californian simply couldn't have helped Titanic even if they did spring into action.
    The mystery ship was certainly not the Mount Temple as the Mount Temple was known to be nowhere near Titanic. Mount Temple heard the distress call and turned to Titanic's rescue. It arrived at Titanic's reported position (which was wrong) and continued past it until it saw Carpathia. Moore reported that the given coordinates were wrong, which wasn't considered until the wreck was found.
    In order for Mount Temple to have been in the vicinity of Titanic, she would've had to turn off course nearly 90 degrees for no reason, and sail until it gets stopped by an ice field, nobody on ship notices that for some reason the ship is now dramatically off course. Then it is perplexed by the sight of a large steamer firing rockets and sails away. It's just about as ridiculous as anything can get.
    Mount Temple was not the mystery ship, clear.
    Californian was the mystery ship, clear.

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem +1

    12:03 "What was that?" What do you think Capt??

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    6:34 Unfortunately you got all that dead wrong Chuck....

  • @Mista_E_4_real
    @Mista_E_4_real Před rokem +6

    damn that gets you thinking

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    2:35 The Titanic was originally scheduled to leave on March 20th but her sistership the Olympic dropped a propeller blade the month before, on the 24th. This was actually the second time work had to be stopped on the Titanic; the first was the fall of 1911 when the Olympic collided with the Hawke

    • @chriscoughlan5221
      @chriscoughlan5221 Před měsícem

      sorry what fell in 1911?

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung Před měsícem

      @@chriscoughlan5221 Nono that means the season of the year (the same as autumn)

    • @chriscoughlan5221
      @chriscoughlan5221 Před měsícem

      @@fmyoung how strange!!
      So why not call winter 'the snow?'
      And summer the hot? Lol

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung Před měsícem

      @@chriscoughlan5221 English language grammarians will tell you

    • @chriscoughlan5221
      @chriscoughlan5221 Před měsícem

      @@fmyoung dont you mean american language ?

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem +1

    17:39 It could've all been so much worse if the Titanic had been fully booked....

  • @squad_goals3414
    @squad_goals3414 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Crazy 😮

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    Today is a day to remember (well, one of them)

  • @johnsmith-rs2vk
    @johnsmith-rs2vk Před 4 měsíci +2

    Great Vid . Many thanks .

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    10:57 I didn't know that's how that worked back then

  • @timothyreed8417
    @timothyreed8417 Před 4 měsíci +3

    The lookouts job was to spot objects not identify them. The bridge officers were to identify them…

  • @hmmfcorecords1587
    @hmmfcorecords1587 Před rokem +5

    "The unsinkable"

  • @0021cam
    @0021cam Před 8 měsíci +6

    Great informative documentary, I came across it a little while ago. At 17:01 secs am I wrong but that looks like Titanic to me? Thanks for the upload! ☺️

    • @mithramusic5909
      @mithramusic5909 Před 7 měsíci +3

      Olympic was Titanic's sister ship. They were built to the same plans and looked almost identical. Olympic launched a few years before Titanic. Many pictures and almost all videos you see of Titanic are actually Olympic, which lived a very long and successful career

    • @healthhappinessandwellbein6729
      @healthhappinessandwellbein6729 Před 4 měsíci

      I don’t think it is

    • @0021cam
      @0021cam Před 4 měsíci

      @@mithramusic5909 yes I know but it looked like the Titanic as it had the forward closed deck unlike Olympic which was wide open all along

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    Because of a coal strike in Britain at the time and because April was still off-season the Titanic was only two-thirds full

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    12:00 37s according to other sources but anyway the berg took far less than that, 10s, to fatally penetrate the hull

  • @gerrywood3584
    @gerrywood3584 Před 3 měsíci +1

    The poor lockedin bottom

  • @ryanjones9881
    @ryanjones9881 Před rokem +16

    Bruce ismay would be proud. Titanic is still making headlines 110 years later.

    • @SirRiotGaming
      @SirRiotGaming  Před rokem +1

      Definitely mate, thanks for the comment.. if your interested we are building a 4 foot fully functioning die cast model
      czcams.com/video/uanvoV6GQ9o/video.html

    • @darcydavies-jones1503
      @darcydavies-jones1503 Před 4 měsíci +2

      I think he'd prefer if Titanic was forgotten about considering his cowardly conduct in saving himself and covering his arse at the white washed inquiries.

    • @johnsmith-rs2vk
      @johnsmith-rs2vk Před 4 měsíci

      And the White Star Line shares ?

    • @adamirishconundrum851
      @adamirishconundrum851 Před 3 měsíci +2

      ​@@darcydavies-jones1503he was a coward he cared about nobody but himself I doubt he gave a rats ass about 1 person who went down with the ship

    • @darcydavies-jones1503
      @darcydavies-jones1503 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@adamirishconundrum851 He didn't even watch Titanic go down. Thomas Andrews could have saved himself for the sake of his little girl but instead chose to stay on board knowing full well he'd never make it home.

  • @nedflanders6259
    @nedflanders6259 Před 5 měsíci +3

    4 mins in and you already filmed a different ship

  • @mikedrown2721
    @mikedrown2721 Před 4 měsíci +2

    New Finland???😂

  • @rachaelhogan7850
    @rachaelhogan7850 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Sorry but you can’t just blame captain smith who’s fault was it there wasent enough life boats

  • @triangleman100
    @triangleman100 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Lightoller.... not Lightdriller

  • @squad_goals3414
    @squad_goals3414 Před rokem +4

    I really enjoyed that

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    4:37 On her way to Cherbourg and Cobh (Queenstown at the time) Cpt Smith ordered a few lazy S turns to test the ship around (adjust the compasses among other things). You don't do that during a voyage Capt you do that during sea trials; that's what sea trials are for.
    That's not the approach of an experienced sea captain that's the approach of a teen.
    Capt Smith how much did you really know about the vessel under your feet??

    • @aj6954
      @aj6954 Před měsícem

      It could also be the approach of a captain who wasn`t there for the trials and was not even in Belfast. Smith had just got back from New York with Olympic and did not attempt the arduous Southampton to Belfast trip involving trains and ferry not having had sufficient rest.

    • @fmyoung
      @fmyoung Před měsícem

      @@aj6954 I am sure it would've been required of him to be present at the trials now guess what I just asked Google and the response was that Cpt Smith was on the Titanic for her sea trials

    • @aj6954
      @aj6954 Před měsícem

      @@fmyoung Wouldn`t doubt it for a moment.

  • @grammy965
    @grammy965 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Ive watched alot of Titanic docs. Have to say I learned alot from yours! ❤

  • @johnsmith-rs2vk
    @johnsmith-rs2vk Před 4 měsíci +2

    Was the mystery ship the Californian ?

  • @gerrywood3584
    @gerrywood3584 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Truth cuts veryDeep

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem +3

    3:50 That's from "A Night to Remember" (1958)

  • @fmyoung
    @fmyoung Před měsícem

    41:54 Well that's true

  • @sirriotsreaction1323
    @sirriotsreaction1323 Před rokem +4

    🎉🎉

  • @SirRiotGaming
    @SirRiotGaming  Před rokem +7

    Lesssgo live in 14 mins

  • @gazza2933
    @gazza2933 Před měsícem

    A very interesting and absorbing video, with an excellent narration throughout.
    Thank you. 👍

  • @gerrywood3584
    @gerrywood3584 Před 3 měsíci +2

    All ment to be

  • @doughayes2912
    @doughayes2912 Před 3 měsíci +2

    unfortunately for the boat and the passengers, the captain panicked, and stopped the boat which caused the sinking to accelerate. All the captain had to do was reverse engines and steer the boat backwards toward another rescue boat and close the distance between the two. by steering the boat backwards, it would have pulled out the water from the hull which would have aided the water pumps to keep up which would have saved the captain the crew the passengers when the rescue vessel arrived, but unfortunately the boat may have been lost unless they could keep it afloat long enough to run it a ground I know I've had to do it twice!

  • @princessinmittens4783
    @princessinmittens4783 Před 3 měsíci +3

    i think there was no other ship. they werte looking for a scapegoat that didn't exist.

  • @squiremuldoon5462
    @squiremuldoon5462 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Insurance fraud.

  • @cheedevulan8547
    @cheedevulan8547 Před 13 dny

    Furthermore, Moore shoulda topped himself in shame. May this captain rest in hell.