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I believe the Lego part of the movie was made by a fan who created Lego versions of trailers. The directors loved them and asked them to work on the film.
He is also a 14 year old kid
@@blessed2032 IIRC he also lives in Ontario like George and Simone
@@blessed2032That's fucking incredible.
Wow, its so rare to see an actually talented 14yo kid now days. Props to him for not wasting his childhood dancing on tiktok
Yeah. A 14 year old kid recreated the entire spider-verse trailer in Lego and they saw it on twitter and immediately knew they had to get him to animate the Lego scene. They were already going to do the scene but saw what he was capable of and wanted to give him a chance.
Miguel gained his powers after an experiment trying to cure his drug dependency forced on him by his boss. His assistant tampered with the experiment by adding spider genes. Now Miguel is essentially a freak of nature who needs to constantly stabilise his mutation
Also, Miguel doesn't have spider senses, so him catching Mayday when she's crawling on him is extra cute cause he's paying genuine attention to her
@neesonnaidoo4745 - they also plant it early with Vulture getting the drop on him.
@@neesonnaidoo4745 its a real life super power called "dad instincts" and as a dad myself, there the real life spidey sense
And he's not a vampire, he just has venomous bite.
@@neesonnaidoo4745 Didn't he have enhanced senses, though?
The switch up from laughing at Pav for doing the "easy adventure for spiderman" to being terrified at spot holes is consistent across all the reactions I have seen, including the ones I had seen in the cinemas.
I mean I was half laughing at him because he IS funny and half going "c'mon Miles, be a hero, this guy is clearly struggling, don't just write him off as a villain and try to give him a hand" Until well... it's probably too late.
Same.
Spot goes from ridiculous to genuinely freaking *_terrifying_* when he reaches his full potential.
Straight up. That scene had me laughing one minute to crapping myself the next
I love how the Spot was goofy in the beginning then became terrifying by the end & the story for this one was great but very fast paced. Gwen’s dimension was like a pastel painting
While it’s not unique, this is a very well done portrayal of a growth-arc villain. He went through the negative version of what would be a heroes story.
Yeah fr when I first see spots, he was so goofy. But then he became so terrifying. He is trying to get revenge on Miles for what he did in the past. But still, the scene where spots transformed and the future revealed, gives me the goosebumps fr.
Fun fact: Hobie Brown was the original Prowler, created by Stan Lee and Sal Buscema in 1967. He was basically a reluctant villain/cat burgler who stole to support his siblings. The Prowler suit from the previous movie was based on his suit.
Spider Punk is a reference to all the times Hobie disguised himself as Spider-man to stand in for Peter, the costume was also originally intended to be Spider-UK who is basically the main character of the first Spiderverse comic along with Superior Spider-man
Isn't doc oc the spider-man in superior ?
@@wabbajack001he's talking about the spiderverse comic, where superior and spiderman UK were both protagonists
@@nugget3687Doc Ock Spidey is a protagonist as well. You don't have to be a good guy to be the main character.
@@Kineticboy2K1 yes, that's what j meant by superior
@@nugget3687 Oh ok. It seemed like it was implied that he wasn't a protagonist, even in the Superior run. No worries
Because of your mention of Michelle Yeoh, there are some references to EEAAO in this movie. For example the building where the spot is hiding in Miles universe where Gwen planted the camera there is a sign above it that says "7 time tony award winner: All of it Always All over the place" with a bagle in the middle.
A few things about miguel
- He isn't actually a vampire, he wasn't bitten by a radioactive spider, he injected himself with genetic mutation that was done with spider dna, he got claws and fangs as a result also he has no spider sense, the injections you see in the film seems to be him suppressing the animalistic nature when he gets unhinged from what I can tell I could be wrong about that.
- he's not inherently a bad guy just misguided in his beliefs, he has no ulterior motives, what he told miles is the truth so far as we know, he's just really committed to what he believes, though it's funny that you guys immediately assumed he was a bad guy just based off how he looked, I just think he looks cool imo lol.
- miguel is from the future, nueva york 2099 is his universe he started the spider society and invited them all there, he simply replaced himself in another universe where he died then it collapsed cause he wasn't suppose to be there, the spider that bit miles has nothing to do with him, he was clarifying to miles the circumstances under which he became spider-man was technically never suppose to happen, why blame miles for this idk that was mostly kingpin's fault but ya know story blah blah etc.
- the question is, will miles's universe erase if he breaks the canon since technically he wasn't suppose to be spider-man in the first place he might not even have to adhere to those rules, gwen asks him this too after miles leaves.
all in all, my advice with movies like these is not speculate too much cause you'll miss alot, alot of "wows" and "holy craps" is good enough commentary for a movie like this, it's kinda meant to be experienced first before you can assess it.
The thing is, miles' universe is an anomaly. We saw the Canon broken already, his Peter died, his uncle wasn't supposed to die because he wasn't supposed to be spiderman, his counterpart became prowler with no spiderman so the canon was completely shattered, and then you have Gwen's dad breaking canon by choosing to denounce his title. Canon can be broken and ironically Miguel is a prime example because as he said, he's not like the others. He's a very unique spiderman
@@ILikeCHEEZ9 but Pavitr's world started glitching after Miles disrupted the canon so there is some truth to Miguel's theory. i think it's when spider-men from other dimensions interfere with canon events is the trigger.
@@flyd.flowlight9057 There is some truth to it, but it's not as cut and dry as Miguel thinks. Also, Miles is an anomaly so that might explain why it doesn't work the same
it's not miles' fault, but it's a consequence of the events that happened to him. if miles hadn't been bitten, he wouldn't have gone into the subway looking for the spider, ended up at the collider, and distracted peter parker from shutting the collider down
@@flyd.flowlight9057and yet, the black hole destroying the universe looks exactly like the black goop that was the reason the building fell in the first place, which not only happened before the Canon event was disrupted, it was the cause of the Canon event.
If spot is an anomaly that is not supposed to be there, why is he a canon event for a completely different spiderman? Things don't add up, things are not the way Miguel says they are.
If Gwen successfully stopped the spot in 1610, would that have disrupted pav's canon event? If Miguel knows when Canon events happen why try age stop the spot at all before that Canon event?
Fortunately for Spider-People their blood does not pool to one ear. Their powers counteract that and everything flows as it should. (In most interpretations at least).
Their blood is supposed to mimic spiders, gravity doesn't affect it. It's actually what they use for movement and internal support through sheer pressure. It's why when you kill a spider their legs curl, no more pressure.
One of the things I love about this film is how it really couldn't be told properly if it wasn't animated. The use of different animation styles, color and rendering are as impactful on the movie as the use of sound.
The art direction for Gwen's scenes at home is some of the most heart-annihilating cinematography I've seen, just the way they use the fading colours to represent the disconnection and distance between father and daughter. Another channel I watched a reaction of this from pointed out in the beginning when Captain Stacy was intending on arresting Spider-Gwen that he was getting more and more blue and it was like he was retreating more and more into just his police training and his ideal as a policeman (being "blue") than anything else, that he was in that moment, just a cop dealing with a criminal. That's a devastating sort of spin to have in mind watching that scene again.
If you go back to 9:48 and freeze it on the first time it turns black & white, you can see Earth-42's Miles with dreads in the moment where he would soon be bit right before the spider got taken away to our Mile's dimension. You might have caught it after you saw the ending while going back through editing.
Braids not dreads...
Dang, i wanted to say that 😢
When Reed Richards helped separate the Venom symbiote costume from Spider-Man, Peter was only wearing his undies. Johnny Storm provided Peter with his old Fantastic Four costume and a paper bag to protect his identity when goes back home. Johnny also placed a "Kick Me" sign on Peter's back.
The Amazing Bag-Man!
Something that is definitely missing from Spider-man is the frenemy relationship with Johnny/Human Torch. The two constantly teamed up and constantly pranked each other. They were close to the same age and became natural friends. Hope the F.F. soon joins the MCU so we can have a Spidey/Torch movie.
@@Kineticboy2K1He's the Bombastic Bag-Man
I'm pretty sure Miguel's Earth was the Spider Base. The spider that bite Miles was from Earth 42, but Spot accidentally brought it over to Miles's Earth. It bit him, and he interfered with blonde Peter Parker. Thus, he got killed by King Pin and failed to stop the collider. Which kicked off this whole, sending people to other dimensions crisis. And Earth 42 was left with NO Spider-Man. Not Peter Parker, not Miles Morales, no one.
In Miguel's Earth, his family died, but he found another Earth where it's Miguel died, but his family lived. He replaced that Miguel, and that Earth was destroyed due to changing the canon SO much. Then he returned to his own Earth and founded the Spider Base to stop it from happening again out of guilt.
When Miles saved Captain Singh, Miguel said they might be able to stop it but might not.
This is all information gleaned from watching the movie, not comic lore.
Earth-42 should still have a Peter Parker, he just never got bit by the spider since it was sent to Earth-1610. And the movie showed Earth-42's Miles Morales at the end as the Prowler.
@@rlpaty They probably do have a Peter Parker, but he wouldn't have gotten bit anyways. Miles from that dimension was meant to be spiderman instead.
@@rlpaty I know, I just said neither of them became Spider-Man.
@rlpaty I don't think Peter Parker in earth 42 was going to be spiderman. Since in the back story how spot brought a spider to miles world we see a glimpse of a spider in miles earth 42 classroom.
@@rlpaty it was supposed to bite Miles in 42. Because it didn't he became the Prowler. Which kind of disproves Miguel's whole theory about the dimension collapsing if the canon is changed.
Could possibly become the greatest trilogy ever created. This film was outstanding
Miguel has always used a serum to emulate spider powers even outside the movie, the spider was supposed to be for Miles 42. If you go back to spot's monologue on his creation and he talks about the spider that came from another dimension you'll see a flash of Miles' 42 sitting in class.
Other people have explained this in the Patreon comments, but the scene with the live-action convenience store owner is there to connect the film to Sony's Venom movies. I like both, but the first movie is particularly delightful (the second is also fun but feels like it was chopped to bits for some reason). Fingers crossed the third (and seemingly final, capping the trilogy) feels a little less butchered (and/or we get extended cuts to promote it).
The billboard says "It's a generic brand" -- there's a red circular logo with a cursive-y font in white that says "COLA" above it. An interesting departure (or just a competing company) from the original movie, where it was called Koka-Soda or something like that in Miles' universe.
Spider-Man has multiple canon events. Anything that contributes greatly to his classic character arc is defined by this movie as a canon event. So, yeah, Miles already had his uncle die. "Police captain close to Spider-Man is killed trying to save a child" is simply a different, additional canon event. Simone says she has not seen the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies, but the scene that appears here is from them, not newly-shot, and -- not to spoil it -- but Garfield's Peter also loses his uncle, so these are just two different tragedies.
Some fun voices you didn't necessarily recognize: while Deadpool does not show up like George was hoping, you do get Karan Soni as the Mumbattan Spider-Man. Soni plays cab driver Dopinder in those movies. You also didn't seem to recognize Andy Samberg as Ben Reilly, the angsty Spider-Man (whose *tortured existence* is a joke reference to the comic arc that Ben Reilly is from). Then there's also Daniel Kaluuya of Get Out and Nope fame as Hobie. Apparently there was an interview released today where the filmmakers said they almost cut Hobie before Kaluuya was cast, and then they went back and made his character more essential to the story.
Lord and Miller, the "queen"-like logo at the beginning of the film, started out as animators, working on the cult MTV show "Clone High" before graduating to the CGI-animated movie Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs. They also directed both Jump Street movies, which you did on the channel, and then they are actually the filmmakers behind The LEGO Movie as well (which, by the way: if you do get to that, *please* also watch The LEGO Batman Movie, which is not only, in my opinion, better and funnier than either LEGO Movie, but also one of the best Batman movies). Unfortunately, after this movie came out there was a piece in Vulture accusing Phil Lord in particular of overworking the animators, having them complete shots and then rework them from the ground up once he saw the finished product (this movie was completed less than 3 weeks before it opened theatrically, and as a result, two different versions of it ended up being sent to theaters with slightly different jokes and visuals). Fingers crossed that Lord learns his lessons from the complaints and finds a better working relationship with them for the trilogy capper. I think both of them are very clever, but while this movie is gorgeous and the animators' work is very much appreciated, no amount of greatness is an excuse for mistreating people.
Miles had Koca-Soda. But Peter B had Coca-cola in his universe. They made that clear chowing almost back to bs k, as he got sucked from his universe to Miles,
I did not see anyone else mention it, but when The Spot is poking his head into different dimensions, the unphased Asian clerk is from the Venom movie and works at Eddie & Venom's local store.
The thing that really resonated with me in this film, and the reason I liked Hobie's rebellious character so much is the way the movie makes a meta-narrative of "canon" representing choice versus destiny in terms of story, and the wider implication of audience expectation versus creative freedom. One of my least favorite tropes in storytelling is giving a character incredible powers to either change their fate or change the timeline at large, and then having the narrative invalidate that character's choices because fate and destiny are deemed more important. It's a way to create drama and subvert some expectations, but stories like that also don't tend to communicate much beyond the idea that again, the character's abilities and choices don't matter in the grand scheme.
And the other part of that is audience expectation of what makes a Spider-Man story "canon." And this is very topical for the character of Miles Morales specifically, because there was a lot of racial backlash both to the Marvel Ultimates comic where Miles debuted, and also to the possibility of the character being played by Donald Glover. "There can't be a black Spider-Man, and if you make one then it's not *canon* ". And while we're on the topic of canonical things not necessarily being good things, the original Gwen Stacy was written to die in the comics because those writers thought she was boring and that Peter would be more interesting paired with MJ, so Gwen got one of the rawest crappy canon in comic's history.
Aside from the clear and harmful tropes in the above, sticking rigidly to established canon can be straight up boring, constantly retreading the same ground with the same characters and familiar character beats, without the opportunity to try new things and make new stories. The Spiderverse films are immensely innovative for more reasons than I could possibly list here, but their commitment to take established stories and characters in new directions is something that puts them leagues ahead of practically every other MCU and superhero property in my mind.
Yes! Abso-flippin-lutely! The whole idea of forced fates and not being able to change one's life is OK writing in ancient mythology, but it's utter crap in the superhero genre in general - and especially with regard to Spiderman! The whole point of superheroes is that one can stand up and make a difference. The whole "canon event" theory runs counter to the idea that "With great power comes great responsibility." It's basically saying that, "There is no great power, because you can't change your fate. And if you try to take responsibility, you'll only make things worse." That's utter crap!
And it also flies in the face of common sense. How can "The Universe" possibly care when or how Uncle Ben dies? (Or Captain Stacy, or anyone else?) One relatively insignificant mortal human, on one relatively insignificant planet, dies a few years earlier or later - How can that possibly matter to the universe? And somehow, Miguel thinks he's the arbiter of who is fated to die and when. All humans are going to die. We might get shot by a burglar, or a supervillain might cause some rubble to fall on us, or we might get hit by a car, or die of cancer or a heart attack or whatever. And yes, it's always going to be a tragedy for the loved ones we leave behind. But it is utter arrogance to think that it is destined to happen one particular way, or that it's important to the whole universe!
I hate when they keep using the phrase “This wasn’t meant to happen.” And “That wasn’t meant to happen.”
There are seven billion people living on our Earth alone. Every one of them with different motivations. Everything is meant to happen, by somebody. (Whether it actually transpires or not.)
If Miles makes a decision to save his father, then at that moment it becomes “meant to happen.” (By him.)
Btw, Miguel doesnt have a spider sense, just enhanced senses. This is subtlety hinted at when hes able to get ambushed by the Vulture when talking to Gwen in his first scenes.
Also his "vampire fangs" are more like "spider fangs". He can inject someone with a paralytic venom through them, like a spider.
Miles 42 was supposed to be bitten by the spider. In The Spot's backstory he talks about taking the spider from another universe and it shows the spider rearing up to bite a kid with braids.
It was originally announced as Across the Spider-Verse - Part 1. Then they dropped the "part 1" part from the marketing and renamed the follow up from Across the Spider-Verse - Part 2 to Beyond the Spider-Verse. The sequel was originally sleighed for 2024, but is currently on hold due to the writer/actor strike, so we don't know when it will be out. I wish they kept the "part 1" name, then the non-ending wouldn't have felt like such a slap in the face, especially considering the rest of the movie is just about perfect.
They actually announced the push on the sequel before the strikes. I think it was something like the studio announced the premiere date but the filmmakers said that wasn't real. Hailee Steinfeld also said in one press interview for this film that she hadn't even recorded anything for the sequel yet, but that also could have been a total lie she had to tell. I guess we'll see it when we see it!
@@jksgameshelf3378 You're both half right. Everyone expected it to be delayed before the strikes. The animators stated they hadn't started any serious work on it, as well as what you mentioned, Steinfeld saying she hadn't recorded anything. However, it was *after* the strikes started that Sony made the push official. I think, unfortunately, this was sort of to avoid directly acknowledging accusations by the animation team that Phil Lord was overly demanding and overworked the team through indecision. By waiting until the strikes had started, Sony could wrap it up in a bunch of strike pushes, including the next Ghostbusters movie and Kraven the Hunter.
Having known it was a 2-parter (being the only thing I knew about it) actually made the last 30 minutes less fun for me. Every time I thought it COULD end I thought "Maybe this is where it ends" instead of just enjoying what was happening on screen. I think I'd rather have the surprise of not knowing it was a 2-parter and having it just end there rather than obsessing over when the "To be continued" would appear.
First time in my life I heard boos and groans at the end of a movie in a theater. So good until the last 10 minutes.
I was a bit apprehensive when I first saw the trailer for portraying Miguel O'Hara aka Spider-Man 2099 in an antagonistic way because Miguel is a far cry from a villain and he's also my all-time favourite Spider-Man in the comics but the movie did an amazing job for portraying him not as the villain but more like an opposing force. Also just to clarify, he is not part vampire. That was just a joke they made in the movie becuse he has fangs which can secrete paralyzing venom.
Interesting fact about Miguel/Spiderman 2099 is that he's technically the only Spiderman that can wield Thor's hammer, because he's the only spiderman willing to kill
@@user-le6ex5rc1sthe actual Mjolnir was found and Miguel claimed it for himself
Like Thor hasn’t killed 1000’s of opponents and villains over his whole lifetime ;/ ……..
@@brockchavez6029the is exactly what's required to be worthy, Mjolnir is a weapon and only serves those who are willing to use it like one
@@user-le6ex5rc1s that was 2099 World of Tomorrow, the original 2099 ended in 2099: Manifest Destiny with Captain America Steve Rogers leading humanity into the year 3099. That's where he gets Mjolnir
@@user-le6ex5rc1sHow to be saved: if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead You will be saved
It's official. Of all the react channels on CZcams, Simone and George have the best chemistry. You can't change my mind.
I'd say other than preview'd, yes.
I love that this movie is making people learn more about Spiderman 2099, One of my favourite stories!
I could watch this movie a dozen times and spot something new and clever every time - the storytelling and animation is so well-thought-out and careful. The two major live-action things you missed: that lady Spot visits is Mrs. Chen from the Venom movies, and Donald Glover's Prowler was set up in Spider-Man: Homecoming, where he played Aaron Davis and briefly mentions his nephew Miles.
A teenage May Parker was Spider-Girl in the comics in the 00's, and fans loved her, but they cancelled her book anyway. Her last scene was her breaking the fourth wall, and promising fans "Ill be back again someday, somehow". Well, it took all the way to now and her being reborn a baby in this movie, but yep, she's back.
There's a line in the first movie where Peter B Parker mentions that seeing MJ is so difficult then goes to pieces talking to her at the fundraiser. While you can put it together in the first film, the start of this one really makes it clear that Gwen knew what he meant the entire time, because Gwen spent the movie in the company of Peter B Parker - a man who looks the same as her best friend.
The universe that Miles ends up in at the very end is the universe where his spider was originally from. Miguel is a good guy, but he's more like the punisher of spidermen. He kills his enemies and he is a "vampire".
Every frame of this movie is a work of art - especially the Gwen universe scenes.
25:00 still watching so you may have figured it out, but just wanted to point out that they can have multiple canon events. Like they said, some bad, some really bad. So losing the uncle was one Miles experienced and losing the police captain is one he will have to experience.
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse will include another hero vs. hero confrontation because, in the opinion of the movie's co-director, Miles and Miguel have every right to stand up for what they believe in. In an interview with SFX Magazine, co-director of Across the Spider-Verse Kemp Powers said that fans shouldn't assume Spider-Man 2099 is the bad guy. Powers declared: "Miguel definitely becomes Miles' antagonist, but his goals are very understandable." Some may agree with Miles' viewpoint, while others may agree with Miguel's." "You know, Miguel is the Spider-Force's leader for a reason. He carries a tremendous feeling of duty. Spider-Man has always been your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, but Miguel's obligations extend far beyond any single neighborhood. He's an intriguing figure, but he's hardly a villain. He's a kind man."
As I mentioned in another thread, this is the trolley dilemma - that doesn't have an absolutely right or wrong answer. Both are equally right and wrong. We're just more familiar with one side of the dilemma.
Miguel is more mutated then other spider men that's why he has claws and fangs he injects himself to surpress it i believe
This was definitely one of my favorite movies this year, so far 2023 is the year for entertainment in terms of games and movies. Been a while since we had a good year like this.
So, two things. In the comics, Miles' family knows he's Spider-Man. They've known for years, and his dad is a former S.H.I.E.L.D. agent. Second, Miguel has to inject himself to suppress his mutation. If he didn't, he'd look like something out of a horror movie.
Gwen said he was like a cross between a vampire and a ninja he is not literally either of those. Some spiders have fangs, which is why Miguel has fangs
The movie version of Spider-Man 2099 is it's own canon, in comics Miguel O Hara worked for Alchemax the president of the company spiked Miguel drink with a narcotic that was addictive so he would be loyal to the company's more corrupt business deals and would be supplied the drug, Miguel tried using their gene splicing tech to cure himself but a disgruntled employee sabotaged the machine causing Miguel DNA to splice with Arachnid DNA giving him Claws poisonous fangs and spider strength agility and speed as well as superhearing and night vision. Uncle Ben's death was the failure of Peter Parker, Captain Stacy and Gwen's death was the failure of him being Spider-Man.
My 2 comments about the very beginning & the very end:
- I watched a bunch of videos about pet jumping spiders & it really helped me overcome a lot of my arachnophobia
- Watching movies with a video progress bar does have it's downside; I was completely blindsided by the "to be continued" in the theater.
- In Spot's flashback you actually see the spider making it's way towards Earth 42 Miles.
- Also there is a hint in the first movie that Miles would become his dimension Prowler when he meets Spider-man (RIP). When they "spider sense" each other, Miles's starts off green and purple (Prowler's colors) and Peter's are red and blue (Spiderman's colors) and then Miles's changes to red and blue. It does make sense, with his relationships to his uncle and father, not to mention trying to get kicked out of Vision Academy.
- in the comic books Miguel O'Hara comes by his powers differently then the traditional Spider-Man story. And he's not really a vampire so much is a more animalistic version of Spider-Man. Put his finger supposed to be like that of the spider.
The Donald Glover scene was a crazy full circle moment. Bendis designed Miles after Donald Glover after seeing Glover dressed up as Spidey on the show Community. Glover had been sneaking in Spider-man references as part of his campaign to play Spider-man, something that started as a gag in his stand-up. Glover would later get to voice Miles in the cartoons and of course, played the MCU's Uncle Aaron in Homecoming who would later become the Prowler as you saw here.
PS - Please watch Community ❤
Grounding is when you connect an electronic circuit to earth, allowing the safe transport of electricity to the ground, rather than your body.
You guys didn’t get the reference at all but the Asian woman working at the convenience store is from the Venom universe lol
Pretty sure Nueva York is Miguel's home dimension, seeing that the one he did the switch-in fell apart.
The spider was meant for Miles from Earth 42 (when The Spot is describing his backstory, you can see the spider being sucked into a portal before its about to bite a teen with braids).
Miguel injected himself with with DNA samples to obtain his powers. But that made it him more spider-like - becoming more feral when agitated, growing claws, and venomous fangs. No spider sense, though. He's not an actual vampire, I think he just got frustrated and was trying to immobilize Renaissance Vulture with his venom.
Pavitr's dimension seems to unravel due to the collider and The Spot...who is basically a living collider. Miles even mentions that. I think Miguel is trying to convince himself of canon events, because if he's wrong, then all of people the Spider Society had allowed to die, would be on him. So, he grasps at what he THINKS happened, he rationalizes the destruction of the dimension he replaced the other Miguel in, was him breaking the canon of that world. Even if that world might've fallen apart due to something else (some multiversal shenanigans, most likely, given it resembles the glitching and alternate objects overlapping from the first movie, but for all we know, that might be what happened when Kingpin's collider in THAT world wasn't stopped), Miguel just assumed it was because of the switcharoo, but it could've been a number of things. Then he saw the patterns in different Spiders' stories, and became convinced that the preservation of the canon was key.
Heck, even if that universe WAS destroyed because of him taking place of the person that died, that's still different - one is introducing your incompatible atoms into a universe for a prolonged period of time, another is saving someone who already belongs in that universe. And even if canon events are true, even Miguel really cracked how it all works...Miles is an anomaly, if anyone can alter the canon, it's him.
its so strange for me to see how popular Miguel has become because for a long time he was just some obscure Spiderman with my favorite consume design that no one else had ever heard of 😮
I was collecting in the 90's I have all the original Spiderman 2099 comics. :)
@@xbeaker cool! I still have a few Moon Knight comics :)
I think this is a message to all the fans out there who say super heros need this and that to be the hero with the same namesake that it is okay for the hero to have the same name and have their own story. And with that people can admire each artistic rendering as its ouw art in all aspects of the word.
😑 that is not it. At all. In the least. Stop tap dancing around the obvious. There was controversy behind Miles. And not about no damn namesake or same name bullshit.
I'm glad they did a reference of Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield, Tom Holland & Doctor Strange. We needed that ancient history of them.
I remember watching this and initially just thinking that Miguel was a professional hater on Miles, then he explained everything and I realised he has a point. I like to think that he's so battle hardened that he's lost the meaning of SpiderMan, and that in the next movie Mile will help him see that. Also, Miguel was never bit by a spider. He was forced to take experimental drug and it was tampered with spider genes.
George had basically the same reaction to the ending of this movie that I did.
"They're adding more? How much run time do we have left?" then staring at the screen gobsmacked when it said "to be continued."
I think the end is pretty much my only problem with the movie. There's two ways I think it could've been fixed. The easiest is just slapping a "part 1" in the title somewhere.
The other would be finding a way to get Gwen's scene with her dad as close to the end of the film as possible. It's the emotional climax of the movie, but there's so much time between it and the actual ending that it almost... fades away and preps you for the movie to keep going. If you could get Gwen's scene closer to the end of the runtime, you'd still have the catharsis of that scene when credits start rolling.
Miguel's original universe is Earth-928 (and his city is Nueva York). That's where the Spider HQ is located. Miguel is not like other Spider people - he manually gives himself a mild variation of Spider peoples' powers. Notice he uses his claws to climb walls so he doesn't have the 'sticky' limbs most Spider people have. Also notice the Renaissance Vulture was able to get the drop on him so he likely does not have Spider Sense either. His webs and suit are all just technology and although he uses the injection to maintain his spider powers it also makes him part vampire. And apparently he isn't funny either lol
Earth-42 is where 1610 Miles' spider originates from. Go back to when the Spot explains he ran the collider in Miles' Earth-1610 to bring a spider from another universe over and you'll see the E-42 spider was about to bite E-42's Miles (with braids). Instead, it was brought to Earth-1610 and bit our Miles - the original anomaly event. In Spot's apartment we also see he has brought over numerous spiders from other dimensions too so who knows whats happening in those universes. The reason 1610 Miles was transported to Earth-42 is because his Spider DNA is from E-42.
Miguel simply wants to defend the Spiderverse. Our understanding is when canon events are interrupted it causes quantum holes and eventually the collapse of the entire universe. We saw this firsthand in Earth-50101 with Pavitr's universe. Since it is connected through the Web of Destiny, it threatens to collapse other universes too. However, a mild hint we got in this movie is what if Spider people don't act like most other Spider people? What if they tell their loved one they are a Spider person? What if other characters make different decisions? Gwen's father was able to avoid a canon event entirely by not becoming a captain! Not to mention Earth-42 doesn't even have a Spider-Man to protect it - that's pretty significant!
There are a lot of cool theories out there, like does Miles even get canon events if he was never meant to be a Spider person? Also, how can Spot cause a canon event if, according to Miguel, Miles was never supposed to be Spider-Man and Spot was never meant to exist? Is it possible for a canon event to lead to the destruction of the idea of canon events? Is someone else pulling the strings of the Web of Destiny and the Spider Society simply does not know it? Lots to be seen!
Great post.
I just wanted to reply to your last paragraph... Another thing to consider is that Earth 1610 already had a spider-man, and he died at the beginning of the first movie. That Peter Parker almost certainly already had his own canon event(s), plus he wasn't supposed to die by the hands of a Kingpin from another universe. Even with that screwing up 1610, Miles' universe never collapsed. So I wonder if Earth 1610 can't be damaged or collapse by universe-altering events, or Miles' decisions.
To be fair, the Kingpin that killed E-1610's Spider-Man was NOT a Kingpin from another universe. I suppose to answer my own question plus address the vacuum of canon events due to that Peter dying, a potential answer is that Miles is filling in the gap of canon events for 1610 and Prowler Miles of E-42 is filling in the gaps of canon events that were supposed to happen in E-42 with their Spider-man
Thanks for pointing that out about the Kingpin. I must have not caught that detail. But your theory makes a lot of sense.
I don't care what theory they use, as long as it's executed well and works with the plot and atmosphere of the first two movies. I think they were two of the best spider-man movies ever created. You can tell so much love went into making them.
When i saw this in theaters i was so happy to see spot because he's been the butt of the joke as the worst villain ever created for decades and i thought they were going to make him comic relief, but to make him genuinely horrifying??? Holy crap, the canon was truly broken then you have miguel being so lawful good that he reaches the point of live long enough to see yourself become a villain
Hobie was being sarcastic when he says it’s super humane and not creepy lmao
Last year when the first teaser dropped, it let it be known that it was part 1. And up until I saw this opening night I was like why would you tell us that this is part one? and now I got to wait forever for part two. But then when I was watching this I was was glad I had known because otherwise I would have been pissed
"Actual Cannibal Spider-Lebouf" Girl just described Zombie Spider-Man. 🤣
You guys are one of the few reactors I've seen to clock that canon events are (probably) not a thing, so kudos. However, there is a blink and you'll miss it moment in Spot's flashback where the spider was crawling towards Earth 42 Miles in class when it got beamed away by the collider; the implication is that the spider was intended to bite 42-Miles, and that our Miles getting bit prevented him from going down a similar path of being lured into villainy by his uncle.
Whichever way they resolve it in the third film, the implication is clear that Miguel's interpretation of events is at best skewed by guilt and he is projecting his self-loathing onto Miles; like Peter B said, Miles is the reason him and MJ reconciled and had Mayday, why Gwen didn't fall into total despondency after losing her Peter, and whilst Pavitr's dimension being under threat is scary, there's never any proof that that was Miles' fault and not a result of Spot - the black hole and how Miguel's adopted world was destroyed look nothing alike. The Spider-Society being built on the belief that people have to die to enforce some sort of cosmic balance is supposed to be a tragedy of errors.
Y'all commented about the musical cues at the start, but did you notice Miguel's music sounds an awful lot like the Prowler's?
Edit: my understanding at the end was that Spider-Base is in Miguel's home dimension. He invaded another dimension and broke the canon there, causing it to crumble, like what happened in Mumbahattan. Then he returned to his own and formed the Multiversal Spider-Corps.
But I'm also confused about the fact Miles DID have his tragedy already with his uncle Aaron (uncle Ben, anyone?). Tobey didn't have a police chief die, as far as I recall. And were still too early in Tom's story to know. Though his "uncle Ben" was aunt may.
So we'll have to see.
The woman in the corner shop The Spot goes through to was from Venom. A really good watch, with Tom Hardy! Surprised you haven’t seen the Amazing Spider-man films, Andrew Garfield’s performance is incredible 😃
I saw this in theaters and with how it ends. A guy in the theater just goes “ Are You Kidding me!”. The entire theater just busts out laughing.
10:53 when George mentions Michelle Yeoh, it's ironic because the filmmakers have mentioned that this film does have nods to "Everything, Everywhere, All at Once" (the Bagel!)
The Director said that the reveal that Miles is the first anomaly is a meta-commentary on what led to the creation of the first Black Spider-Man. Some fans believe that Miles doesn't deserve his power or belong in the mask.
The movie was announced as a Part I since the very first teaser trailer. The only change was for the title of the second Part (Beyond the Spider-Verse), but it was always going to be a two-parter.
How the heck did almost everyone forget that?? :_D
And then Resteraunt at the End of the Spiderverse…
Title change pretty much.
To be fair, it was only really shown or discussed as a Part 1 from that first teaser trailer which was years ago. Ever since the title of this movie was announced literally all discussion of it being Part 1 was dropped by Marvel and every other media source.
I hate spoilers with an intensity beyond (the Spider-verse) belief. So I may watch a teaser once but no more trailers, and I only watch the teaser to get an overall feel for the movie. I watched the teaser so far apart from seeing the actual movie that I'd forgotten nearly everything in it, except for that Spidey 2099 was in it.
because people avoid movie promo sometimes
10:47 This is the Venom movie universe. She knows Eddie Brock is Venom and watched him eat a robber's head, hence her unimpressed reaction.
Yes, you confused the stuff with Miguel and the stuff with Miles' spider.
Miguel went from his original world to another where he died, tried to take his own place, that universe disintegrated.
Spot grabbed a spider from Earth-42, a different reality altogether. That earth is where Miles ends up at the end, where neither he nor Peter Parker ever became Spider-Man, his dad died, and him and his uncle are criminals together.
Miguel O'hara is not a vampire. He got his spider powers through a genetic procedure, instead of a mutated spider bite. So he has retractable fangs and talons, in addition to a lot of the standard spider powers.
Ohhhh thanks, this helps! I always just thought that in his lore he was turned into a vampire or something
When they show PlayStation Spider-Man, and say "video game guy...other video game guy". The other two video game characters are Video Man from "Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends" the 80's cartoon, and the Green Goblin sprite from the Atari 2600 Spider-Man game.
Curious. In the first movie it showed Gwen coming back through the wormhole after 2+ days but in this she came back after 2 years...
Eh, probably just a simple mistake or they wanted to change that part
Ps. For your question about the spider and Miguel being related, Miguel injects himself with the power because that's past lore. Basically he was part of a lab and they were testing out powers. Miguel has nothing to do with the 42 spider. Maybe in Prowler Miles's dimension there's an ineffected Peter because the spider was taken away before it could bite him but Miles instead. I wonder if in Spider Miles's dimension if he hadn't been bitten he would have been the next prowler
The way Gwen's universe looks is how her comic is drawn. It's the same for all characters and universes.
10:57 Funny you say that, there is a reference to EEAO! The building where Spot builds his mini collider has a billboard on top, with a bagel and the title "All of It, Always, All Over the Place"
It's important to note that in all universes, J. Jonah Jameson is voiced by J.K. Simmons in this movie.
It's a small, background detail but once you hear it, you can't miss it.
J.K. Simmons is a cannon event.
Indian Spider Man is Dopinder from Deadpool! Can’t believe people didn’t pick that up immediately 🤣
Never noticed that the coat miles puts on to hide his suit is prowler colours.
Earth 42 didn't have a Spider-man to stop crime, that's why it was so chaotic. Miguel's world is another one.
I saw this in theaters WORTH IT. I had like 4 bags of candy ate a weed gummy. Perfect, such a great movie. The art styles were awesome and the sound track is gold. ❤❤❤
Part Two was supposed to come out March 29, 2024,but because of the SAG-AFTRA strike, it has been delayed. Rumors are that it may come out late 2024 or early 2025.
The Spot is a Marvel and Spider-Man villain. In canon Spider-Man, he was a researcher who went by Dr. Owen. One day, while experimenting with interdimensional travel, he accidentally got sucked into a dimension. Once in the dimension, he found himself floating in a space around different portals. He decided to venture into one, and when he came out, on the other side, he found himself transformed into a being with white skin and holes all over his body. He then discovered he had the ability to transport himself through the holes on his body to different areas of the city. In his first encounter with Spider-Man, he dubbed himself The Spot. Just a little history behind the comic book character known as the Spot. In regards to his canon, Spider-Man origin.
This movie is visually awesome...the combination of different styles from the different universes is perfection, and gives the whole thing a very unique style.
The "Michelle Yeoh" observation was 100% what I was thinking during that scene.
I think the most amazing thing aboutvthis one is the amount of heart it has...those emotional gut punches come from all angles, but there's also an abundance of warmth. And each universe's style ba ks up the mood differently, with colour, or music, or movement.
Artistically a masterpiece, and the story matches the strength of the presentation.
Can't wait for Part 2. I think I'm more excited about it than my kids are.
I actually don't mind the "to be continued" thing at all, because this one is more about Gwen than Miles. It started with Gwen and ended with Gwen. So, Gwen's story arch is done.
My favorite bit of trivia is that the actors who play Spider-Man Noir and the Spot are cousins (Nic Cage and Jason Schwartzman)
The lady that was nonchalant in the live action world is from the Venom movies, hence why she’s not impressed by anything just simply being weird.
I came home and immediately watched your guys video. Love you guys 💙💚🧡❤️🐺
This is hands down my number 1 favorite movie of the year. I cried 10 times when I first watched this in theaters two months ago and I have now watched it 7 times. And my feelings have not changed either. Since the physical film released yesterday on the 5th, I'm going to watch this today after watching IT: Chapter 2 for its anniversary today and after TMNT: Mutant Mayhem. This is my second favorite movie and animated movie of all time and I cannot wait to see Beyond the Spider-Verse in theaters in 2026. Best movie of the year and best Spider-Man movie so far.
I watched this 3 times now and just caught that line "in every other universe Gwen stacy FALLS for spiderman" nice.
I heard the lego sequence was produced by a kid who the producers found on YT (?) and asked him to animate that part. His lego original animations was off the chart. Pretty cool.
The live action world was from the Venom movie and she didn't react because she has Venom coming in and threatening to eat her spleen if she doesn't sell him chocolate every other week.
the shopkeeper lady is Venom's shopkeeper that's why she's not phased when Spot comes through hole if you didnt notice.
Every time you watch this movie you notice something new. I only now saw that one of spider-men in Nueva York was in a wheelchair. So cool.
The prowler Miles' theme is also a reverse of Miles' spiderman theme from the first movie!
Fun fact: Indian Spider-Man is voiced by Dopinder from Deadpool.
But, yeah... that ending... I had pretty much the same reaction.
Miles 1610 is not an anomaly...anymore. Miguel and the algorithm are correct in designating him as the original anomaly. However, Peter B. Parker is the representation (for the most part) of our origin point Spider-man and his trajectory was heading in a completely different direction. It's through Miles now that he reunited with Mary Jane, and they together birthed Mayday. That is why Peter wanted Miles to hold the baby. It is why when Gwen gets forced back to her universe, she has the epiphany after her dad quits the force that they are wrong. Miles is not an anomaly. He is a miracle, and it is now through his choices and existence as Spiderman that the canon is shifting, not breaking. He was never supposed to be Spiderman but through the laws of causality and infinite possibilities he is. So, the spider verse is making adjustments.
When Gwen's father said he quit, that would stop the cannon in her universe because he won't be a captain. Also, her hair turns pinker when she's with Miles.
Yeeaahh... I was super bummed out when I saw it was just a Part 1. Most of the time when that happens, they try to have some minor storybeat resolution to help ease things along, ya know? To make it feel like less of a sudden stop. I really wish they had done that here. But I also understand that it's easier said than done, lol. Turns out, writing is hard. Who knew? lol
They actually did. Gwen reconciling with her father at the end of this movie is the resolution, remember it is Gwen who kicks off this movie.
That bagel really hit the spot
U really copied the most copied comment of the year for attention.
21:18 on Gwen's band it shows ASM-90 which is the comic book Amazing Spiderman issue 90 where Capt. Stacy dies.
The thing that Pavitr is playing with is a bracelet AND a yoyo, or at least a different kind of yoyo called a diabolo (AKA Chinese yoyo). They're often larger and disconnected from the string. They're fun and you can see them in a few circus performances.
Also, there are apparently multiple canon events in a Spider-man Story: the death of an uncle, the death of a police captain, the death of Gwen Stacy, etc.
There actually is a reference to Everything Everywhere All at Once. It's a blink if you miss it easter egg. Above the appartement where The Spot is carrying out his experiment there is a billboard sign that says All of it Always All over the Place, with a bagel in the middle.
It makes me wonder: did the filmmakers decide that The Spot was the bagel guy because of that movie?
3:31 The hook in Gwen's theme song is the same note sequence as "Spider-Man, Spider-Man" from the classic show theme, but the timing is all different to make it her own.
i wonder if anyone's pointed out yet that there's a brief clip in the spot's flashbacks showing that the spider he sent from another dimension to miles' dimension was indeed supposed to bite the miles that became the prowler. So miles in earth 42 was supposed to be spiderman, but miles-1610 wasn't, because peter parker was spiderman, and died because he stopped to chat to miles, who was only there because he had been bitten.
Love you saying it looks like Rachel Dratch because it is lol
I had the exact same thought in the theater.
My goodness this movie is so good I couldn’t even be mad at the to be continued and now big strike delay because this movie had so many layers, so many theories, so many great characters
10:08 That is the hardest I have ever seen George laugh at the literal phrase of kicking himself in the a**
This film was originally called 'across the spiderverse part 1' with part 2 being realeased next year but they changed this to 'across the spiderverse' and named the 3rd film 'beyond the spiderverse'
I think out of all the fine folks I've see react to this amazing movie, you were the first ones to catch the green eyes instead of brown eyes detail when Miles landed on Earth-42!