EVIL MARK?! | Invincible Season 2 Married Reaction | Ep 2x1, “A Lesson For Your Next Life"
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Kenny, it's orange.
45:39: As previously mentioned, I'd love to see you guys react to Hazbin Hotel, including the pilot. I recommend also reacting to Camp Cretaceous (another animated show w/lots of action, mystery, & representation).
I think it's safe to assume that the original Mauler died a long time ago & the clones just keep cloning themselves, though this does beg the question why Mauler doesn't make a handful of clones instead of just 1 at a time?
The opening scene takes place in another dimension where Mark sided with Omni Man to conquer Earth for Viltrum, Rex died so Rudy never made a clone body for himself, & this Mark & Eve had dated but he didn't want to kill her since he still cared for her.
I may be wrong since I didn't watch the show when it first came out, but I'm pretty sure a lot of the hatred for Amber came because she knew Mark was Invincible before the whole college android debacle, but still blamed him for leaving and acting like that was the final straw in their relationship. She acts so coldly towards him for literally saving all their lives just because he didn't become open with her about who he was in a universe when being even remotely close to a superhero puts you in incredible danger constantly.
Really it's an error of adaptation. She acted the exact same [in this respect] in the comic and no one gave her flak for it. No one gave the new one flak for it either. Until she reveals she already knew which completely re-contextualises and re-characterises pretty much everything she's done from tragic but unfortunate misunderstanding to near sociopathic meanness. I mean, screaming at your boyfriend and publicly calling him a coward for fleeing a dangerous situation is one thing, doing the same thing when you know he didn't flee and was in fact, risking his life to save yours and others' is a whole other thing. I just think the writers didn't consider how one seemingly minor change makes for a completely different (and way less likeable) character. An easy fix (which they can still do whenever they like) is just adding a line where she confesses to have been lying when she said she knew for weeks, but just wanted to not seem slow as that would re-re-characterise her actions as far more... human.
The whole thing is interesting because they actually succeeded with Debbie. They made her suspect Nolan rather than be blindsided by his turn but, understanding that changing nothing else would just make her look paranoid and suspicious, they altered Nolan's actions so that his getaway was far less clean, leaving more clues that would justify Debbie's new suspicion. Like, in the comic, he offed the Guardians and fled, wasn't found anywhere near the crime-scene. And he let his weird Viltrumite attitude show far less. But if they kept that the same, Debbie would just come off as untrusting and creepy.
Yup that's it
This was my reasoning. Also made her a hypocrite for pretending NOT to know the secret and being upset about him being honest.
She's a sociopath for wanting him to be honest with her and waiting for him to tell her the truth?
I don't know how that makes her a hypocrite.
It felt very manipulative and honestly it was just inconsistent writing from their part because I certainly believe the writers’ goals weren’t to make viewers antagonistic towards Amber.
(The beginning shows Evil Mark teaming up with Omni Man)
We as viewers: "Okay, I'm waiting for the fakeout."
Invincible: "There is no fakeout. It's not a joke."
The reason people didn't like Amber in the first season is because she kind of played with Mark by pretending she doesn't know he was Invincible. She kept getting upset at him for being late and stuff while apparently knowing he was out there saving lives which feels kind of selfish even though kind of understandable. Season 2 Amber is much better in my eyes.
I'm gonna have to go a bit against the grain here, because to me Amber was right not to tell him. It's his secret to give or not, his choice to trust her with it or not. She didn't play with him, he played with her, she just kept up his charade because *he* needed to make that choice. Mark isn't owed a relationship, if he 1) can't make time for people and 2) can't even tell them why he can't make time, then he doesn't get to date. If he wants to, he needs to find a way to clear at least one of those two hurdles before that.
Not that I'm blaming Mark much, he's young, of course he's gonna make mistakes while he figures things out, that's normal, that doesn't make him bad. But he did make the mistake, and the hate for Amber is way overtuned. There's one instance where her actions really don't make sense, it's specifically when she blames him for abandoning her even though she knows he didn't.
She had no reason to go that far and it doesn't even make sense from anyone's perspective including her own, so it reads more like bad writing than the act of a character. That one was fucked up and made me go wtf, but overall people are acting like she's has a pattern of abusive behaviour rather than her having one very specific and never repeated instance of bad writing.
@@Arkayjiya Normally I might agree with you here, but lets remember one thing. It is a massive secret and they had only been dating a few months. This is the type of thing where it could endanger him, his mother, her, his friends, her family, all of it. I think Mark is totally justified in not telling her. And Amber isn't entitled to know everything about Mark instantly either. Plus if you know there is a legit reason behind him being late, then don't be passive aggressive about it. The writing does seem to fall flat when you realize the gravity of the entire secret and their entire situation.
Another reason for the backlash was because most fans of this show in season one were people who had read the comics from the early 2000s and loved Amber's character and didn't like the unnecessary changes made to her character when everyone else in the show is almost exactly on point.
@@GandalfTheBased
"Normally I might agree with you here, but lets remember one thing. It is a massive secret and they had only been dating a few months. This is the type of thing where it could endanger him""
I've already addressed all of that in my previous post. As I said, He's not entitled to a relationship. If it can endanger him so he can' tell her, but he also can't be there for her, then he should just not date her in the first place.
As I said, not that I think that makes him a bad person, he's young and inexperienced, of course he's gonna make errors of judgement, but it does make it mostly his fault.
"And Amber isn't entitled to know everything about Mark instantly either"
She is absolutely entitled to know why he can't keep a single promise. If he can't tell her, he shouldn't have accepted to date her once again. You think he's entitled to date her and lie to her about things that affect their relationship that heavily? That's nonsense. If it affects the relationship, the partner is entitled to know about it. If you still can't tell them, you shouldn't be dating them in the first plavce.
The mental gymnastic necessary to make things her fault is insane. It's almost 100% Mark's fault beside that one scene which I agree she was completely out of line but also isn't consistent with any of the rest of the writing, there is no logic behind the scene not even a selfish logic, it just doesn't make sense or fit with the rest of the characterisation.
Mark on the other hand, is the one being an asshole for 100% of their relationship, it's a pattern of behaviour for him, until that moment. He's consistently at fault.
@@Arkayjiya so I would agree if we are talking about comic book Amber. In the comics, you have the same issues. But Amber doesn’t figure it out until he tells her. In the show, they changed that to her knowing it and still angry at him. So no I fully disagree with you that Mark is 100% at fault here in the show. And again, no Amber is not entitled to know this secret months into their relationship. Whether he is lying to her or not is immaterial to the fact that of what he is lying about. You say “besides that one scene” if you’re referring to the scene where he tells her the truth, then that one scene is the entire problem. Because it changes the entire dynamics of the previous scenes. Again this isn’t an issue in the comics but they chose to change it in the show and did some major character damage to her.
@@Arkayjiya the first part of your comment is correct. Mark doesn't owe her his secret identity or any secret he doesn't want to tell anyone. Everything she does after is simply her feeling entitled to it and punishing him by hypocritically also keeping a secret from him. She had the choice to leave since she wasn't happy but she chose revenge and manipulation. She's a villain.
that is the most orange one eyed monster thing I've ever seen
Headcanon: Mark’s superhero name is actually “…Invincible” and the pause is part of it. Hence why everyone says it that way.
Haha maybe 😅
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I mean there was always a pause before the title cards last season. And this episode proved you right.
I love the idea of Mark correcting people about the pause in his name the way Spider-Man does regarding the hyphen in his or how Constantine tells people his name is pronounced Con-Stan-Tyne
Bulletproof is indeed wearing the suit Mark didn't take (which in the real world was an early discarded design for Invincible's suit... just like Bulletproof is an early discarded name for the character and series).
Oh, that is a fun little fact.
I was going to post this same info but knew someone would have beaten me to it.
It is a fun little "in joke" written in to have the discarded name wearing the discarded super suit.
Huh, that's interesting
That monster is reddish-orange. Ya'll gotta learn to compromise 😂
exactly, the discussion is sorta dumb, red/orange are literally next to each other in color spectrum. deciding where red/orange starts and ends is ridiculous. Loki's wager comes to mind, where does the neck/head starts and end?
It's color #ce583a defined as "moderate red".
I remember reading about some tribe that didn't have a word for "Orange" or "Pink" so they always described those things as "Red". Though they did have some nuance in their colors, but still an interesting idea.
@@TheSimplyJJP and where does moderate red land on the color wheel?? BETWEEN ORANGE AND RED LIKE IT IS GIVE OR TAKE AND ORANGE AND RED
So, burnt cyanna?😅
Survey says... THE MONSTER WAS ORANGE!!!
Yeah
The Giant is Orange. Red is the colour inside his mouth
That dude is red
@@Evan-k very untrue
@@Evan-kDefinitely orange
@@lamb2646he's red kiddo
@@Evan-k he’s Burnt Orange, look it up.
Bulletproof didn't just get invincibles original suit. He actually got his original name too! Invincible was originally going to be called bulletproof.
I *loved* Debbie in the first season, but she was probably my absolute favorite part of season two. This episode alone shows her grief and coping mechanisms so interestingly, with her trying to get over the man that she has loved for twenty years, the father of her child, being a supervillain and hearing him say the things he said in the previous season finale. The character work for her in this season is just phenomenal.
I just want to cry and hug her. Man.
Debbie is a very good person. We saw that last season and we see it this season. Arguably any mistakes she does make are because she is a good person. Could be one more reason our Mark is one of the only good versions of him.
Debbie was sooo good in season two
To be crystal clear the reason we hate amber is because of the scene at the college. As a refresher a cyborg showed up and attacked, mark then ran changed into invincible and came back, he then saved William and Amber.
The big no no is the fact that after saving them he leaves changes back into mark, and Amber starts yelling at him for being aweful by abandoning her and william to die. The scene makes perfect sense until 2 days later she tells mark she knew for weeks. At which point the fandom went "oh... 😮Ohhhhhhhh."
Now rethink the scene she accuses mark of abandoning her and william when she knows for a fact the mark saved her and William, yet she gaslights and emotionally abuses him for abandoning her. That's when the fans lost it rage mode activated 😡!
the reason why people hate amber is because
1: she tore him a new one when he "left" them at the college attack KNOWING that he was invincible and never left
2: (atleast after the first month or so of them dating) that she was mad at him for being late to whatever they had planned when she knew that he was out saving other people/the planet
meaning that she thought her comfort and having fun was more important than other peoples lives/the planet
and 3: iirc at the end of the first season she compared mark to nolan who just devastated multiple spots across the world killing a couple thousand people because mark kept life changing secrets from her
Personally, I was angry with the show writers for pushing their badly written forced narrative too hard from the start. Amber doesn't act like an organically written character. Instead she acts like a bad writer's idea of an empowered ideology. None of the characters behave organically when interacting with Amber or her antics. There is far too much bad, lazy writing to analyze so I'll just concentrate on a single scene example:
The whole "magically finding dirt on Todd" so she could bully & blackmail him was lazy, garbage writing.
1) Amber gives her phone number to Todd to give to Mark. She's ok with Todd having her number? Really?
2) Todd tells Mark that Amber blackmailed him and the dirt is still out there to be found. Meaning others could blackmail & bully him too. Why would Todd want anyone else to know about that, especially Mark?
3) Todd was already humiliated by Amber & Mark. He was avoiding them both at this point. He even spent 3 days at home coping with how Mark was unfazed after he was punching him. Amber became a worse bully aggressor than Todd ever was.
4) Amber's "power move" on Todd is not a good look. Why would Mark ever want to date a blackmailer when he has a secret identity to protect?
Fun Fact, Men are more likely to be colourblind (bichromacy) then they are able to see 3 cones of light (typical "assumed" vision/trichromacy). Women are more likely to be able to see 4 cones of light than 3 (tetrachromacy).
Women on average can see more colours than men so when Montana says "that's orange" and Kenny says "that's red" it's likely because (statistically) Montana can literally see more variations of red and orange than Kenny can.
That said it's "Vermilion" a colour between red and orange 🤣
(I could also see and argument for "Scarlett Peach" or "Crimson Orange")
If you really want to argue about colour take a tetrachromacy test. 😅
Or rhubarb?
Less than 10% of men are affected by colorblindness. Most men and women are trichromats. A very small percentage of women (and very very rarely, men) are tetrachromats. So statistically, they probably have very similar abilities to distinguish colors. Their eyes are likely seeing the same color, but their brains have assigned different labels to that color. I recently read An Immense World by Ed Yong which has a really interesting section on vision and color. Great book, would recommend to anyone interested in how senses work.
It's also possible that Kenny just doesn't care about colors as much. Like what's the Dark Blue, Navy Blue, Midnight Blue, Ultramarine, and Prussian Blue? Those are all different shades of dark blue colors. I'd describe them all as "Dark Blue" myself.
NOT THE THREE PLATES, THAT WAS SUCH A GOOD OBSERVATION AHHH
21:57 Orange but like a deep orange, if more red is added it will become red but yeah, orange.
I just wanted to take a second to compliment Kenny on not one, not two, but THREE details I’ve seen almost no other reactor pick up on in the first episode without it being pointed out.
Those being Bulletproof’s suit, Donald’s miraculous recovery, and the title card teasing. I genuinely can’t remember another reactor who noticed two of them, let alone all three. Kudos for the keen eye Kenny!
The amount of times they were teasing the title card drop was killing me lmao
Also Montana is right, that giant was definitely orange :P
17:00 Something you gotta understand about Amber, is that they changed her character from the comics, but without changing her story.
In the comics, she was kind of a bland character. Literally just there to be the girlfriend. All the angst about their relationship was real, and the final straw for her was Mark abandoning them to deal with the robo monster on the college campus. When Mark went to reveal himself to her, she was surprised and amazed to learn that Mark was a superhero, and was happy to get back together with him because now she understood why he was so flaky. The whole series of events, along with them getting back together again, made sense.
New Amber was given more character and personality. The showrunners saw her as an opportunity to have a sort of idyllic character. They wanted to make her a smart, strong, independent character, not just "The girlfriend." So it seemed natural to them that she would be smart enough to figure out his identity before he revealed it. But that messed up the whole story, because now none of it makes sense. The anger, the breakup, the distance only made sense when Amber didn't know the truth. This Amber knew the truth, but still followed the story that was written for a character that didn't. It didn't make sense. The excuse they gave for it was bad, and the reasoning for the excuse was shallow. And getting back together was weird nonsense. But that's Amber's story. They changed her character without thinking about how it would change the story, so now the story half way doesn't make sense. Just gotta live with it.
This season definitely 'rebooted' Amber, which I'm honestly fine with. Her character felt incredibly disjointed in the last couple of episodes of season 1, allegedly due to a miscommunication between the writers of the episodes. It was so disjointed to the point it took me out of the show because I just stopped viewing Amber like a character and just wondered what the writers were doing. Scrapping that whole thing and continuing without acknowledging any of it was genuinely great for me because I could just pretend none of it even happened in the first place.
Yep my head canon is she was cloned and replaced
Amber's a bit of a weird character. They spent the whole first season making her unlikeable and it's not really clear why.
@@IcyTorment They tried to update her character from the comics where she's sort of portrayed as ditz. But they did it clumsily and gave her so many assertive attributes that they conflicted.
@@IcyTorment it’s the “woke” influence. They forced her character to be a strong independent black woman and it didn’t translate well imo because that’s all she tried to be. In this season, we see her more dialed back and showing weakness, making her much more human and relatable. Debby is a prime example of how you write a strong female character and it’s good seeing them lean more into this over s1 Amber.
@@TacticalDimples Can we please stop using the term woke? She was just mad from not knowing how horrible it can get for superheroes and was conflicted about feeling like she wasn't good enough to be told the truth. Also I like her and Eve more here than the comics were they both were kinda whorish at first for a lack of a better term. Like seriously they spend about 45 issues having Eve try to steal Mark away and Amber just hanging sex over his head to keep him around. It's 1 of only 2 weak points that comic had. The other has yet to show up, but they seem to be handling it better here so I have hope that'll be fixed.
A key reason people don’t like Amber is because she knew he left to save her life at the college trip, and then proceeded to yell at him for abandoning them despite literally watching him get beat up brutally. Lots of emotional abuse there.
oh yeah shes the bad guy not omni man you people are pathetic
@@kamilszczęsny-m9d heres a big shocker for you
but 2 things can be true at once
such as both her and omni man being bad people
kinda pathetic that you think that only 1 person can be bad at a time
@@shadowdevil126I too got really confused what they brought Omni-Man for😅
@@shadowdevil126 I’m glad you had the energy to respond to such an outrageous counter argument. 😅
@@kamilszczęsny-m9d Except Omniman is supposed to be bad. We can like bad characters for acting bad, because they're playing their role well. People supposed to be good doing bad things and receiving literally zero blame for it and never having to apologize is completely different.
Kenny colorblind arc? Cuz the giant is ORANGE my guy 🤣🤣
No, it's red.
It's a reddish orange
What people hate about Amber is how she knew, but still held it against him because not telling her somehow just as bad as just being absent because he didn't care.
The hatred for Amber stems from 3 things:
1. They race swapped her and changed her personality a bit. Things that would be negligible if not for:
2. She has an inconsistent and non-sensical personality/reaction to Mark. Aka "I'm dumping you because you left me in a dangerous situation. Also, I know you didn't actually leave me in a dangerous situation, you're a superhero." And then there's "I care about helping people and doing good in the world... but also, I'm going to punish you for being a superhero trying to help people and do good in the world... because I should be a higher priority than people whose lives are in danger." And that inconsistency is even more abhorrent when Debby and Eve are there as shining examples. Debbie being an example of a woman who knows that she can't be selfish when it comes to her superhero partner's time. An actually kind and caring person who wants to make the world better and lowkey SAVED THE WORLD by instilling that goodness in her son and monster of a husband. And Eve who knows Mark's struggles and shows that same type of goodness and selflessness.
3. Because of how Amber went back to Mark after gaslighting him, and treating him like crap, as if that didn't happen.
MINOR spoiler, but Amber is better as a character in Season 2 because she's actually consistent and as good of a person as the show wanted us to think she was in Season 1.
But the damage is done as far as Im concerned. I want her away from my boy.
Regarding your second point: I get the feeling and i agree the writing is poorly at times, but also: have you met teenagers? they are full of contradictions. If they had wanted to, they could have come up with explanations in season 1 for her very smart, but very dumb character. That's under the assumption the contradictions were intentional, which they most like weren't
@@alexandercharizard3617 I really think the biggest problem is how she went from crying because he abandoned them to saying she knew he was a hero. So, what was that about an episode ago? The story up until then is pretty standard, but adding in a curve ball like that which clearly wasn't written into the story before then just hurt her character. Which sucks as the show has good writing elsewhere. Someone just dropped the ball hard in ONE scene.
@@saltyk9869 That scene should've been removed in season 1. They should've made it so she didn't know who actually Mark was until his fight with his father. That one scene alone damaged her character.
@@maxcanonstunner6532 Yeah, that would have worked. Some small changes and the whole thing works better. Change the line and her attitude and I doubt anyone has a problem with her.
@@saltyk9869 The biggest problem is that they changed her character without changing her story. So her knowing about Marks secret and gaslighting him is BS and annoying. In the comics, after the college event, Mark reveals to her that he is a superhero and the whole relationship is then for the better for it. She is like "That's
why you haven't been around a lot", because all those issues were still there. When this version of Amber says "I know you are a superhero Mark" most of the comic fans went "Oh cool so they really did just write her as being an unsufferable pile of garbage."
Re: Amber getting back with Mark... I see it more as a massive trigger for her to recontextualize everything he was going through.
The opening scene takes place in another dimension where Mark sided with Omni Man to conquer Earth for Viltrum, Rex died so Rudy never made a clone body for himself, & this Mark & Eve had dated but he didn't want to kill her since he still cared for her.
Kenny, that's orange... that's literally orange like an orange.
I don't know if I'm looking into it too much, but what the evil Mark in the beginning did to Eve makes for a good parallel to what Viltrum does to the planets they conquer. They take away their ability to fight back, and "look over" them afterwards.
So there are a lot of idiots on the internet that take their dislike of Amber too far drowning out legitimate criticism. But just to be clear, the reason her character is such a problem in the first season is because she breaks up with mark for leading her on and not telling the truth, even though she knew he was invincible for weeks and chose to pretend to not know and emotionally abuse him for being late to their dates and stuff despite the fact he literally saves Amber's life on one of these occasions. And then all the characters around Mark act like this is totally ok behavior for her to do and it is somehow Marks fault. When the correct and reasonable reaction would have been to talk to Mark soon after finding out his secret and either ending or trying to continue the relationship. So the main criticism is that it is a plot hole that she is emotionally abusive to Mark without anyone acknowledging that. But people on the internet do over react when talking about it.
True. What made it worse was seeing her cry in front of him while saying "Eve was wrong about you" and THAT NIGHT going to a party with another guy with the intention of hooking up. It made her seem so much worse as a character
Exactly, up until "I know you're a superhero" it all makes sense. That scene just comes out of nowhere. And changes the context of previous scenes. Which clearly wasn't the intention, but that's the fault of the writing, not the viewers for noticing it.
Honeslty during that battle didn’t Mark’s best friend realize Invincible was Mark. I think she knew that he was probably superhero. I think a lot of people relate to or like Mark’s character. He was being a terrible boyfriend constantly lying, not showing up to dates he planned and apologizing with grand gestures.I think with Cyborg episode she was applying pressure on him to tell her the truth and he only did when she wasn’t going to take him back anymore.
@@user-ek4ee2yv4r which is absolutely garbage behavior from Amber. Rather than talk about it, she decided to manipulate him and throw a tantrum when it didn't go the way she wanted.
@@user-ek4ee2yv4r "applying pressure on him" right here is exactly the emotionally abusive and manipulative behavior that is so reprehensible. She has known for weeks. He just literally saved her life and you think its ok to make him feel like crap at that moment and manipulate him? She has no valid excuse for this behavior.
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Yes.
i feel like it's closer to orange lol
People hate her because she knew and understood why he didn’t tell her and still reacted upset
no because shes a black woman with her own mind and she has the right to be upset about mark being stupid
People hate her because people are stupid. I'm going to talk about show only since that's what most people consume. I've re-watched the entirety of season 1 while following their reactions. Out of 8 episodes in season 1 Amber is really only in the wrong and unreasonable in one episode. 1 out of 8, and people still hate her. All other times she was right for being mad at Mark.
@@jvdpc7shame the writers of the show agree that they ruined writing her in season 1 and then immediately walked it back in season 2.
@@jvdpc7That one time is easily egregious enough and vast majority of dislike for her came from it. Its genuinely baffling how stupid they wrote her in university episode, getting mad at him for "abandoning them to danger" while knowing he went away to save them, and then act like she didn't say that absolute lunatic rant when she reveals she knew about him.
@@a_kmza that’s a lie that people have been repeating so much that everybody started to accept it as true. Here is what Robert Kirkman really said about the Amber hate in season 1: “I think that the reaction to Amber was very unfortunate. And I think that most of it comes from a segment of the online population that is best ignored. So I don’t even really like commenting on it, to be completely honest.” With a simple google you can confirm the truth in what I’m saying here.
If you look back at season 1 you'll actually notice they changed marks face slightly aswell as his hair
He looks tired, older and depressed, which I considered was appropriate.
@@leovk5779 yeah but I just mean that they literally changed his eyes and hair
My problem with Amber is the fact that she acted like Mark abandoned her against the Reanimen even though she knew he was Invincible at the time. It just really makes her seem like an unreasonable jerk.
People forget Amber is just as much a teenager as Mark. She's allowed to be a little irrational
Lmao simply put, the fact that she knew Mark was invincible yet go so mad on the college trip for disappearing KNOWING he is the one in costume trying to save them. Not to mention every time he wasn’t around is excusable, yeah man….HE shouldn’t have taken her back. She came back like he should be honored by her presence.
Its crazy how different they made her, in the comics she thought he was always disappearing bc he was a drug dealer😂😂
@@jasonkariuki8969 Right? Amber in the comics is genuinely understanding person that tried to make their relationship work even though it's falling apart. The moment she knew he was a superhero, she was ecstatic. And then there were challenges, but she tried to support him still, even as Eve's kinda poisoning the well, she still turned out to be someone that cares for him. Sure, him being constantly gone led to them breaking up, but it's done in a mature way and they split up without being toxic. After their relationship, they stayed as friends and when she got hurt, Mark was understandably upset. Whenever he's hurt, she's shown to be upset as well.
That Amber is far better and have more willpower than the show Amber. It's easy to blame others and manipulate them to do your bidding than it is to be an upstanding person.
So the thing with Amber in the first season happened due to a miscommunication in the writer's room, as we now know, about whether or not and how long Amber knew about Mark's secret identity.
It's really only one scene in ep 7 that made everyone turn on her, the one where Mark outs himself as Invincible and she responds with: "I know you're a superhero. I figured it out weeks ago." That scene kind of assassinates her character (unintentionally, like I said), because it recontextualizes her reactions in the previous episode, which, up to this point, were completely understandable, as callous and selfish.
They do everything in their power to fix this mistake in season 2, and in my opinion, they really succeed. To be honest, I NEVER understood the people who were like "tHiS cHaRaCtEr iS aCtUaLlY tHe WoRsT pArT oF ThE ShOw AnD a TErRiBlE hUmAn BeInG, sEcOnD oNlY tO tHe DeViL" because of ONE scene where the writers fucked up. I'm not exaggerating too, there's legit something akin to an Amber hate cult on the internet who actively try to look for excuses to make her look like an irredeemable monster and assassinate her character further. All because of just one scene. It's nuts.
Edit: oh, and by the way, the Giant's clearly orange. :D
I think for a regular human, I think Amber's actually above average (in terms of character) and shouldn't be hated as much. She's made some decisions and arguments that aren't great but for the most part she's been more understanding than most real people would be. Not an Amber lover or Amber hater, but she definitely gets more hate than even villains do which is frankly unwarranted.
I think it's safe to assume that the original Mauler died a long time ago & the clones just keep cloning themselves, though this does beg the question why Mauler doesn't make a handful of clones instead of just 1 at a time?
Because then there is a Clone and Original and they know the difference...which leads to systemic abuse of the Clone.
Some people don't like season 2 as much, but I love the exploration of Mark and Debbie's characters and how they deal with the loss of omniman and the guilt of missing him
@@erincarlson2797 agreed!
Invincible is just one those very rare shows where it's so cleverly written, very action packed, very emotionally driven, with amazing characters and just overall so entertaining
Hyped for your season 2 reactions and cant wait for season 3
Rhubarb, a reddish orange
Feels good to see reasonable adults talk about Amber and not a bunch of children who can’t take a character being complicated
Commenting now before I forget (so I don't know if you talk about it later in the video)
An angstrom is a unit of length. It's in the scale of atoms, so that's what it's used for. You might've heard it in the context of chemistry and have associated it with elements.
sorry, but thats orange to me brother
It's time for new events guy's+I'm so excited to see solo leveling reaction this week!
its dark orange
Light red
@@ghostwayfinder4971orange
Like a red-orange
@@Mike_unhinged Red
That is orange my boy Kenny 🧡 like pumpkin shades
the monster is in fact orange
First time viewer here and new subscriber. I LOVE how you guys do the discussion breaks. I haven't seen other channels do this.
The ending of this episode always gives me chills so much emotion
New subscribers here. Can’t wait to see y’all’s reaction to this season. As a person who has recently read all of the comics I can confidently say were in for a ride for the later seasons.
it is orange
The Giant is red 😂
Most people myself included weren't pissed at amber for not confronting Mark because she knew he was a supe but we're pissed because she KNEW he was and constantly guilt tripped him to make him think he was was terrible boyfriend (which he was) but the scene in the episode before their breakup where she was crying that Mark abandoned her and William even though she knew he was a supe was just wild to me.
20:28 I mean it’s a reaction one two he’s a kid and doesn’t fully know how to control his emotions and three he went through a frantic experience that he still coming to terms with so yeah he dented a table because of a whirlwind of emotions. Happens to the best of us although most of us don’t have super strength.
If we want to get super particular about the color of the giant, the hex code name for its color is "cinnamon stone," and the darker, shaded region is "burnt umber."
They also focused on the house across the street because that explosion is where "Nolan Grayson" legally died
Weird how I kind of feel bad for the Maulers cause everyone keeps screwing them, hope he makes it as a solo (or duo) villain eventually
Yeah, they wrote Amber in an odd way, but I liked where they ended up with her story. It made a lot of sense to me.
This is an orange color. Red is red #FF0000. Orange is the spectrum between yellow #FFFF00 and red. Ergo: This is orange.
@14:07 im guessing Montana is thinking Angstrom is an element for 2 reasons. For 1 it just kind of sounds like it, but also Angstrom is a unit of measurment commonly used for the sizes of atoms and molecules. So the association and fact that it sounds element-y is probably why.
Also the russian dish (beef stroganoff) is amazing you have to try it
its orange
"Angstrom" isn't an element, but it is a unit of measurement used in very small measurements, like the size of molecules and wavelengths of light. Named after a Swedish physicist and equal to 0.1 nanometers
So lil art thing from an artist, I'd say The Giant is a tertiary colour 'red-orange' or vermillion if you're feeling fancy. Pretty much dead centre between red and orange. So you're both wrong and right at the same time! isn't that fun. You can really see it when Robot is right by The Giant, as he's much more of a true orange.
Every secondary and primary colour has one of these and they're all named just as creatively, in case you were wondering. Blue-green (teal), blue-violet, red-violet (magenta), yellow-orange, and yellow-green. I always find it funny when people argue over "is this a primary or secondary colour?!" as though tertiary colours and the whole spectrum of colour between just doesn't exist. IDK what peoples insistence on the main primary/secondary colours is, you can just say its a mix! Thats most colours!
The simplest way to answer why Amber knowing Mark was a superhero the entire time is a terrible thing, rewatch episode 6 after Doug Cheston unalives himself and Amber reacts to Mark returning after saying he called for the police.
If Amber did not know Mark was Invincible, she was justified in her response. But since she did know, it completely recontextualizes the entire scene.
I never understood how much hate Amber receives either, they love to point out how amber is neglectful of marks feelings and this and that but what about his LITERAL DAD who neglects him 10x harder, gaslights his wife and tries covering up murdering an entire superhero team, you rarely see anybody trash omni-man the way they do amber's character. You'll never hear anybody say "i hate omni-man" but Amber? yes
The giant is both red AND orange, that is a reddish-orange if I have ever seen one 😂
never combine colors like this, but thats definitely crayon red-orange
It's an orange with more red in it, erring almost into rust red territory, but it is definitely orange
43:12 for some reason it mostly sounds like he admits he ruined everything even though the subtitles says otherwise
From what i been told and seen , bullet proof is wearing what mark tried on because bullet proof was going to be the main character basically. They swapped them right before . So they got each other suit on kinda, metaphorically lol bullet proof pretty much can do what mark does but absorb kinetic energy on top of that!
The giant is pretty clearly orange
Rudy is like most of the other superheroes, it's a sense of duty that drives him to do what he does in the first place. So, to him, continuing to remotely pilot the suit while remaining nice and cozy while his friends are *actually* risking their lives would probably seem cowardly. It's like an honor thing. He probably would have been physically present the whole time were it not for his deformity.
If only Angstrom Levy were more open to collaboration then he could have done the really cool shit of building a multi-dimensional library.
It's not just that Amber isn't supportive. She comes across as arrogant, self-centered, and preachy. And the story is written so that she's not really all that relevant to the main plotlines, so the show just comes to a screeching halt every time they do the obligatory love interest bit. The show would be better if they just dumped the whole love interest storyline entirely. Write her out. Don't try to add tension with Eve, either. Just stick to the interesting bits.
So like a Shonen kind of thing?
Angstrom is a unit of atomic length. Just thought it was cool that Dakota made the scientific connection
If Angstrom were actually smart and not selfish, he wouldn't have been the guy to take in all that knowledge, and would've been content being the taxi driver for the Angstrom he gave that knowledge to. In order to preserve his mental state and also act as a check on himself in case he ever went rogue, making the only version of himself capable of making portals the one the experiment is performed upon us beyond dangerous.
My neck is sore from nodding in agreement with Marks speech at the start of the episode 😂
It’s not that people hate amber well some do it’s mainly that version that they hate in the books she didn’t know he was Invincible so her reaction makes people hate that version of her
Kind of a bummer that this second season, with its multiverse plotline, came out when that subject has kinda become oversaturated, since the original comic did it before it was cool.
Yeah, I hope they do it well, at least
artist here and i used an eye dropper tool on the giant and its definitely orange
A lot of the Amber hate is very forced. Like Kenny said, not agreeing with her or being miffed at her for not being more understanding is understandable, but the way people talked about her in 2021 was absurd.
This episode and the season as a whole did a great job rehabbing the character due to a lot of the forced hate.
@@theodorelandryiii9281 she's was a shitty person
"forced hate"
You're pathetic.
Just FYI :)
People hate her due to her emotionally abusive and gaslighting tendencies. She breaks up and screams at him, calling him names ALL WHILE KNOWING HE JUST SAVED THEIR LIVES. She even acknowledged that she had known for literal WEEKS, yet immediately laid into him and making him feel like shit. Her hypocrisy is apparent as she wants to do good for the world and her community at large, yet abuses her Bf of 5 months who is a superhero and JUST UNDERWENT SERIOUS PHYSICAL AND MENTAL TRAUMA! Keep in mind this is almost immediately after 'GETTING HIT BY A BUS'.
SO NO IT ABSOLUTELY WAS NOT FORCED, LMAO!😂
People don't dislike Amber, they dislike the writing of her character. There's also a consensus that she's better written this season.
Anyway, my theory is that Mark didn't date Amber in other universes. We see in the start of this episode that he seemed attached to Eve. I'm thinking that universe's Mark dated Eve instead of Amber. And as a weird side effect, he didn't retrain his connection to humanity. Because he struggled with being a superhero and dating Amber, he remained grounded.
If he had dated Eve, he wouldn't have to hide his superhero antics. He could be an hour late and explain that he was stopping a meteor from hitting Earth instead of having to come up with some excuse. This could end up with him looking "at the bigger picture" instead of being connected to the people. So perhaps he wouldn't help Titan either, seeing it as beneath him.
Considering that we only see him interact with Eve in this other universe and as far as we can tell Amber doesn't exist, I think this is a potential difference.
"Oh is that SOS?"
"No, it's a business card"
i'm dying lol. Good catch btw, I didn't notice that the design on the card was morse code. Also Kenny is literally the only reactor that I've seen notice that Bulletproof is wearing the suit that Art tried to pawn off onto Invincible before settling on his "iconic" design
I now want more context on Bulletproof. He just accepted the first suit Art offered?
@@saltyk9869 Yeah he might have just really liked it lol. Would have been a funny after credits scene or something to get that interaction
More info on amber hatred:
Amber knew Mark was invincible during the robot attack on the campus, yet she blew up on him for “leaving” even though she saw mark defended them
The creator of the show has said that he didn’t think about it, and called it bad writing, and said “woops let’s not do that again”.
Fans still really haven’t forgiven her character for that writing flaw.
21:46 If red is 0 and orange is 100 then the monster is at 35. it's maybe can seem orange becauce the color is desaturated. But in terms in hue, is really far from orange and much more closer to red.
The main issue people had with Amber was the fact she appernty knew Mark was a superhero, which completely recontextualized every time she's givin mark a hard time, especially the campus attack with the cyborg when she got angry at Mark while knowing full well he did the complete opposite of abandoning her, it makes her look selfish and childish, if she knew she shave said so
You're both right, it's Red Orange!😅👍👍
Orange
I always look forward to the ‘MattyG’ Patreon questions at the end.
Always starts a good discussion
13:29 I never noticed Multi-Paul before. It probably doesn't help that I've mostly watched this via reactions, there's a lot more to get distracted by
30:54 It very much has to be SOS. Good catch.
32:15 I think it was the suit Mark found too gaudy that Art was trying to get rid of.
"You can have this back when you behave" 😂😂
Yes, Kenny. That was SOS.
U r both right about the color. In my language (danish) it's called "Cinnober"/"kinarød" or vermilion/"Chinese red" in english with a bit of direct translation😅. It's a deep orange or light subtle warm toned red mostly used by the wealthy ppl in the middle ages (from what I know, maybe even B4 and after that 2), mostly due to the expense of having it transported all the way from China. It was a more normal colour in Chinese decor, architecture and make-up, like balsam lip balm or nail colouring 🫰🏼
6:38 oh yeah TWISTED logic indeed
30:30 "... I think" ???? hahahaha /*I wasn't reading the trivia about this chapter before/*
Montanas face 😂😂😂😂
Amber said she was mad at mark because he lied about being a super hero. She however knew, so she never had this information hidden from her. Is she valid for lying? No, she kept the fact that she knew. Could’ve told him she knew and removing his need to lie all the time. But no she doesn’t say anything, complains that he doesn’t reveal the hero information either. So when she’s mad am him, it’s almost as she want led an excuse to be mad at him
Excuse me, but why does the person with the coolest power in the series keep fighting like Gwen from Ben 10 with those weak ahh shields? in the special episode Eve did MUCH more with her powers