The Visionary San Pedro Cactus: Healing, Sustainability, and Sacred Relationships | Laurel Sugden
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- This episode explores the mescaline-containing cactus known as San Pedro, otherwise known as Huachuma. Our guest is Laurel Anne Sugden.
We discuss the objective side of things, that is habitat, history, sustainability, poaching, pollination, propagation, fruits, flowers, and alkaloids. However, we also explore what we might, for lack of better language, call the subjective side of San Pedro; we explore “who is San Pedro”, the qualities of experience it catalyzes, and what it asks of us and offers us in perspective, healing, and relationship.
We also explore the impact anthropocentrism has on our capacity to be in relationship with sacred plants, safe preparation methods of cactus powder, the subjectivity of ethics, why it takes more than breaking the ego to make us wise, and a deconstruction of the modern fascination of “hyperspace entities” and aliens, among a handful of other topics throughout the flow of the conversation.
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Huachuma Collective Instagram: / huachuma.collective
Huachuma Collective Seed Project: www.gofundme.com/f/support-sa...
For further links to Sugden's work, full show notes, and to access an audio-only stream of this episode, head to bit.ly/ATTMind175
**Full Topics Breakdown Below**
Image courtesy and copyright Laurel Anne Sugden
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Episode Breakdown
(0:00) Opening
(4:45) Patreon Thanks | Support The Podcast
(5:57) Introducing some cacti friends
(8:20) Interview begins: what is Huachuma/San Pedro?
(9:42) The different San Pedro cacti used for ceremonial purposes
(16:03) San Pedro flowers, fruit, and propagation
(21:01) Hybridization and cross-pollination
(23:47) Reductionist science and anthropocentrism erase our connection to the spirit of the plant
(29:22) The different alkaloids in San Pedro (beyond mescaline)
(30:35) A brief history of Cacti and their worldwide distribution
(33:57) Serious conservation concerns for san pedro | overharvesting and poaching of wild cactus for international cactus
(39:41) Ignorance supporting ecological devastation | A failure of relationship
(42:08) The subjectivity of ethics and learning to listen to the plants
(44:29) Your store san pedro powder is likely illegally poached | How to safely prepare raw san pedro power
(53:03) Reciprociy to indigenous San Pedro communities: The Huachuma Collective
(54:56) Who is San Pedro?
(57:07) How San Pedro helps us heal
(1:01:45) It takes more than breaking the ego to make us wise
(1:07:10) We learn from the plant, but the plant also learns from us
(1:16:02) Deconstructing the modern fascination with “hyperspace entities” and aliens
(1:22:07) What lesson San Pedro has to offer us in our present times
(1:24:35) Follow-up links for Huachuma Collective and Laurel Sugden
(1:26:02) Outro
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Hi I'm from Peru and SP grows everywhere here... This amazing plant is like the friend and teacher everyone needs to hang out with! Unfortunately, most people here don't know it could literally change their lives. This powerful medicine made me experience the world without a filter. Thanks for sharing this content.
Iv had the call to grow them about 5 years and it has been such a bless getting to bond and learn about these wonderful creations
I love her mix of scientific and spiritual background.
Mmm mm thank you thank you thank you San Pedro you blessed me with feeling your heart beat and revealing one never dies, I am part of Eagle bones , Azteca Warrior Woman, Petrified stone, an Elephants eye.... saw myself so sooo old....I feel it in every part of me.... my heart has been opened , touched by wisdom of our SUN, Grandfather Spirit via the almightiness of San Pedro's medicine....a gift of a life time....just forever.
Great video! Thanks, hope i can take care of my homies and they can take care of me for years 🌵
Thank you. This was a magnificent interview. I learned so much and really felt the sacred relationship come through Laurel Anne Sugden. It's so refreshing to experience a deviation from the clinical/medical model.
I am very happy to hear you found such value in this one :) Thanks for tuning in
Beautiful conversation! Thank you 🪶
You’re welcome and thank you ☺️
San Pedro connected me deeply with my ancestors. It showed my great family tree and everything that lives in its shadows.
That sounds beautiful.
Great interview James! Your guest was extraordinary. So much of this was what I needed to hear!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the feedback and I hope what you what you needed to hear in it travels well in your world from here :)
Such a lovely and deeply respectful conversation. Thank you 🙏🏽
You are welcome. Thanks for the feedback :)
Thanks for the lessons great
Everything about this is so beautiful and heart opening. Thanks a lot for sharing ❤
My pleasure. Glad it had that impact for you :)
I am actually just now trying to figure out the optimal placement of a new shelf I got to bring my cacti in the office in a permanent way! I feel like I need their energy closer to me in my daily life.
@@AdventuresThroughTheMind
I can totally understand that. 😄 I hold them sometimes while meditating or put one next to my bed when I go to sleep. Just love their frequency. ❤️ I'm sure you'll find the perfect place for your beautiful cacti. ☺️
Such an incredible eye-opening heart-opening video. Many thanks❣️
So happy to hear it landed so weel for you! My pleasure :)
I have a few hundred in my backyard and field some of them are quite big. I started from a few hundred seeds and then small seedlings four years ago. They are one of the easiest plants to grow and make a magical atmosphere in the garden
You are doing the good work! 🌵❤️
@@AdventuresThroughTheMind thank you ♥️🌵🌵🌵♥️
@@AdventuresThroughTheMind got about 200 myself. And a few "mexican carrots"
1:02:28 In reference to the bridge, or Sacred relationship. "When attempting right relations with all as equal, and grateful for our position in it, a re birth may occur." Mitchell Lazaroff 2022
1:19:38 Points to the diametrically opposed values of human anthropocentric materialism verses traditional animistic knowing. For some, the longest journey is from their mind to their heart.
Plant medicine ceremonies are not always quick fixes, they are, in my opinion, a remedy or path, contrary to materialistic values, of humble integration back to wholeness.
32:00 Another AMERICAN GUESS about Australian cacti scene. We have had cacti here since the late 1800s but the BIG collections and large importation like the well known "fields" family collection have been around since the 1920s and 1930s. 400 SPECIES in that collection and I have multiple from that gene pool. So not 50 maybe 70, more like 90-100 years FOR MOST cacti varieties here in Australia but limited amounts in the late 1800s. FYI we have no native cacti but do have native pig face. And more wattle containing DMT than you can imagine including a certain type of COMMON grass that the sheep eat. I have read we have a native cocaine bush, and DEFINITELY have a native tobacco that is quite strong but only in one area. The aboriginals used it as basically red bull by chewing, and you could walk long distances and not get hungry. They dried the long thin leaves and rolled them up and would put a few behind their ear like a pen. They traded these quite heavily. Apparently it's quite a blast of a stimulant according to how far they could walk and how long. Not a hard drug, but definitely a few cans of red bull all in 3/4" on your hand.
Everyone should grow their own medicine.. But I'm totally for the propagation of wild genetics, the spreading of cuttings, not the destruction of whole wild stands to be turned into powder.. With different techniques the amount of growth you can get is exponential, you could take one tiny piece and in a year turn it into 20 footlong columns through grafting.
You need a 5 minute tour to see my "friends". One is thicker than my arm.
I'd definitely say that peruvianus and pachanoi are two extremes of the same thing. The variations in traits and phenos is astounding. I've seen perus that looks like pachs and pachs with long spines that look like perus, like look at the huanucoensis types, they're supposed to be pachanoi but look like bridgesii on steroids. Not to mention the fact that they readily hybridize.
And I've got hybrids and strains that look like everything fixed up. Even one that grows a deep purple when young. Knuthianus has huge spikes, and there's another tiny one with long spikes and a whole ton with red spikes. Even pachanoi, the strains vary so much. I have numerous penis cacti as well. They look quite odd. And throw out tons of pups.
Interesting
San Pedro is pachanoi. pachanoi is more rare in Peru it’s a different climate zone Peruvianus is used in the areas that people refer to it as huachuma bridgesii is also known as huachuma because it grows in those climate zones that pachanoi doesn’t
I’m in Australia, would you mind giving me a contact for the walk u did whilst here please. Thank you for this interview. I just bought my 1st San Pedro your video was perfect, just what I wanted to hear and more.
This was several years ago and the person who hosted it is no longer living in Australia. Sorry :(
Also, I am very happy to hear you received this podcast well :)
Given that other compounds in the San Pedro may be contributing to the experience, do you recommend processing the entire plant or just the outer sections without the core? Thanks for the wonderful episode!!
Excellent question. I believe they addressed this in their lecture for ESPD55, but I don't know how you would access it now.
espd55.com/event/ethnopharmacology-and-phytochemical-profiling-of-huachuma/
@@AdventuresThroughTheMind Thanks for the quick reply! I will perhaps try to email Laurel with my question. I recently acquired a few cuttings to plant for the first time, and was pleased to find they were big enough that I could process some sections right away while planting the rest. Cheers!
Good luck! They are beautiful plants.
@@AdventuresThroughTheMind Given how hardy they are, I’d love to send you a cutting as thanks for your podcast. Not sure if I can send from USA to Canada though (I think that’s where you are?)
@@madmaxmedia I'd love that! (Assuming it's legal, which I will look into) Are you down to message me on Instagram? @ATTMindPodcast
More on mescaline pleaseeeee❤️❤️❤️❤️😎🌚
Notes 😁👌
Yassss
What book did you reference?
Time stamp?
Not sure, you held up a book at one point
@@LauraEvans-lj4ox Hmm... I don't remember. It's been a while. It might have been the book she was a part of, linked below.
www.goodreads.com/book/show/60138067-how-psychedelics-can-help-save-the-world
James "Mescyoolin" Jesso
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Lizard people unite!