Is This The FASTEST Bike You Can Buy?
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- Recumbent bikes are the fastest type of bicycle due to their low aerodynamic position, but just how fast are they? Hank met up with some recumbent riders and organised a race to see which of their aero-pedalling machines would hit the highest speed! Hank even cranks up his own cadence and power and pushes a recumbent bike, and himself, to their limits.
00:00 Intro
01:30 Russel Bridge interview
02:22 Inside a recumbent
03:50 Hank's first ride
05:50 CDA bikes
06:55 Recumbent pilots
07:40 Top speed test
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Would you ever try riding a recumbent? 🚲
Yes, I was at Battle Mountain, Nevada when the Deci-mach was first broken by Sam Whittingham in 2009
My Dad got a three-wheel recument at 85 when he started experiencing balance issues on an upright bike. Took it for a spin and it was an absolute blast - feels like you're going even faster than you are because you're so close to the ground. The funny thing is, other cyclists won't give you the time of day when you're on a recumbent, but people on mobility scooters all wave and smile.
@@d_charles this is a fantastic story. I love this use for recumbents. It’s odd the negative way that some cyclists look at recumbents. You can see it in some of the comments here.
I own a Bacchetta Giro 20 recumbent
Yes, I like mine.
If I could go 48mph under my own power at 60yrs I'd be thoroughly satisfied with my life
Wouldn't we all 🚴♂️💨
Actually rather economical with his age.
And on the flat too. Incredible machines.
Money CAN buy you speed. Just buying a fast recumbent will get you much closer to 50mph under your own power on flat ground without wind assistance than any diamond frame bike on Earth ever can.
I really enjoy this sort of content! For me, there is an extreme fascination, about seemingly ordinary people, doing extrodinary things. None of this mega budget, factory backed. Real people making real things, just to go fast. Brilliant!
Absolutely. I love it. 🙂
I agree. The made in a shed type vibe is so good
100% agreed. Another video that gave me such vibes is the Veritasium vid about the cart that moves faster than the wind. Just a couple guys who are not professionals, out to prove physicists wrong.
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Need one of these for my commute
There are Velomobiles on the Market that are also very fast. Like Snoek, Milan or W9 and many more.
I ve ridden streamliners in races and they are not suitable for everyday use. Go and buy a velomobile. the current models are very fast and you can ride them in bad weather conditions.
Another human mistaking need for want
and the Bülk Velomobile!@@pw9349
What are the ideal features you'd want? I would want air con for summer
"He's going to crash straightaway"
Hank: crashes straightaway
As long as water is wet, Hank will crash.
Yes, more of this, please. And maybe take a look at the recumbent scene in continental Europe, especially in Germany and the Netherlands there are some pretty strong riders with modern velomobiles.
I would love to see more Recumbent reporting - this was great fun!
If someone is going to get hurt, it’s always Hank. Good sport, but he is irreplaceable. Great video, the tech channel could go into the details of the vehicles
Poor old Hank, the GCN test dummy! 😂
That video just makes me want to burn all my cameras, drones and microphones and call it quits🤨 Just so well covered in a professional way. Kudos to Hank and crew. A great fun video that really does justice to what HPV racing and racers are all about. More of this please!
It looks like Hank is going to be doing more HPV videos in the future if we get our way! 😂
Hey Gary, have you ever tried contacting @GCN for a collab? Could meet when you are on the continent for Spezi, maybe even have them to visit Spezi with you. 😄 Would love to see it on both channels!
@@PsyKeks very kind of you to suggest this. I'm not sure what I can offer GCN by way of collab but certainly want to encourage them to continue this fine coverage of the bent world we all love.
I love this content. When I see velomobiles, I can’t help but think “What if these were the future of commuter vehicles?” I’d love to see a version that was “super balance-able” and has a light tent-like canopy that easily opens.
There are velomobils with three wheels. And the hood is hinged.
@@maxsievers8251three wheels seem like a bad idea to me. First cause I don't like cars I like motorcycles and bikes. Secondly because of corners. I'd rather have assist wheels I can deploy
There is a commercially available model of velomobile that has 4 wheels. It is called the Quatrevelo, and is reported to be remarkably stable and capable of taking turns at a much higher speed and handling poor road conditions far better than its 3 wheel brethren. Even with the extra weight it is silly how much faster it is than upright bicycles.
Self balancing aid and power assist might help future commuters
you'll be surprised how quick a 3 wheel velomobile will corner ;-)
There's many variations in production or development. Each have their own benefits and disadvantages.
Ps mine is an 18 mile commuter (DFXL)
I just love GCN vids like this...... What about a GCN Builds series...... GCN attempts UK speed record building a streamliner 💪🚀
GCN should build the trandem streamliner! 🙂
I think that is a brilliant idea - a build series would help get us inspired to give this a try!
Great video as always.
My only tip for learning to ride a recumbent is what I did with mine.
By a recumbent with an adjustable seat angle.
Start with the seat at a higher angle.
The feeling of laying down is so wrong compared to an upright.
Do a few rides until you are confident with that angle.
Then adjust the seat angle slightly lower.
Do another few rides and so on.
Lowering the angle of the seat slowly until you can get the seat to as low as it will go.
These racing recumbent seat's are the lowest you can get but regular riding recumbents the seats don't go as low.
Get your balance and confidence right with the higher seat position then move into the lower one.
If you don't you will only do what Hank did and fall off.
Good luck everyone.
Great tips! Do you think we should send Hank to do more in the HPV world?!
Hank raced a NoCom before, which is quite a tricky unfaired. The problem may be watching teh fairing rather than looking up the road.
More recumbents, please!
There's a lot to be learned from the forefront of speed and imagination. For too long the UCI have been imposing all sorts of constraints on the development of bikes. Let's move forward.
These things look incredible. Kudos to these guys for designing and building such amazing machines (as well as being able to ride them so well!)
It would be interesting to see/hear some details about the construction, power output and efficiency (cdA).
And you let Hank ride one?!
@@johannesobernoeder1156 My CdA on the Cruzbike V20 you see in my profile pic is about 0.200, which isn't quite TT bike territory (0.170) because I have wide shoulders that creates a lot of drag. On a good, windless day 210 watts gives me 40.6 kph average speeds, but some of the smaller riders with a 0.150 CdA on V20s like mine only need about 180-190 watts to get 40kph. I am in the process of building my own streamliner and while I can't say what the CdA of these 3 are, I can imagine they are way lower. CZcams "Russell Bridge Snoopy" for his channel and you can see his uploads of racing snoopy against Steve (Slash) in Beano and Liam in Notso. While my 'bent is a high racer and quite efficient, they would absolutely slaughter me in a race, lapping me numerous times.
I can imagine a utopia with dedicated roads to recumbent bikes.
Oh Hank, yes yes yes yes more more more pleaseeee.
Yes recumbents are an aquired skill.
Incidentally, just to be a boring pedant, CDA is the product of CD (Coeficient of drag) and A (frontal area).
Great video, well done.
For streamlined vehicles, A is a combination of frontal and surface area. Since it's hard to determine the difference, it's best to leave Cd and A combined.
@@larrylem3582 Well that rather depends whether you're measuring it or calculating it.
If you're calculating it there are many contributions. Form drag, which depends on the shape and skin friction drag which depends on many factors like surface roughness, area and so on. Each component has its own coefficient so that CDA becomes the sum of CDAs for each component.
If your measuring it then its rather easier being the product of drag force divided by the dynamic head (half rho v squared). Conventionally the area taken is the cross sectional area regardless of the shape.
But anyway my original point was that Hank described CDA as the coeficient of drag, forgetting the area part of it.
@@emmabird9745 That was a much better answer than just saying frontal area. I am talking about calculating things after measuring power and speed. My recommendation is not to bother calculating, just leave it as CdA in m2.
More recumbent content please. Maybe you could cover Battle Mountain in Nevada or Pedal Prix in Australia?
I think GCN should go to an event at Battle Mountain. If Russel is going to the next event there, they could go along to cover the event.
And/or sponsor him.
GCN could purchase Russell's 77 streamliner. Hank and Manon could learn to ride and then race at Battle Mountain.
@@larrylem3582 now then Mr Lem, that is a very good idea :)
Rumour has it Ollie Bridgewood was going to go there and discover time travel 👀
Hope Hank keeps trying, would like to see how fast he could go!
The problem is he gets too carried away... And we know what happens next, he crashes 😂
Loving the recumbent content GCN, well done and thanks.
Yes, more recumbent content, please. Great, fun video.
That was a fun video!
I'll ask again for a comparison of modern production recumbents vs fast upright bikes. There has to be someone in the UK who has a Cruzbike V20 that they would bring out for you to have a look at.
if you google Dave McCraw, a very competitive Scottish amateur rider on both upright and recumbents, he has done a lot of detailed comparison of his relative performance using power meters etc. My main takeaway was recumbents slowing going uphill but use less energy which on a long enough ride/ race (rather than a sprint up the hill and stop at the cafe) means able to go faster on the flat in the later miles of the race to compensate.
you should a deep dive into the building of one of these speed machines. One off build as it looks and handmade by the owners, no off the shelf bits there except some of the drivetrain parts.
A mate of mine built a wooden one, it was like an old ship! Incredible
I love the recumbent content. It would be great to see Hank do some serious training on a fast recumbent and then make an all out run for the fastest speed in the UK.
The title, "Is This The FASTEST Bike You Can Buy?" may be a bit misleading because I don't think you can just buy one of these custom made machines. However you can buy velomobiles like the one Manon rode (Milan SL). In my DF XL velomobile, I can cruise at 25mph all day long on the flats with no headwind (averaging roughly 150 watts). Some race optimized velomobiles with light riders have been shown to do 30mph with as little as 100 watts. Plus they're way more stable at low speeds having 3 or more wheels to balance! I think for the everyday person a velomobile is more practical and road worthy.
Great to see the boys out in the streamliners. Look forward to the world champs in august 2024 in Kent to try and keep up.
Perhaps a GCN rider there too?
Recumbent bike content is always appreciated. So much speed unlockable just by changing ones perspective. Literally
We need a new Channel! GRN (Global Recumbent Network)
TheVelomobile channel is a good one as well.
@thevelomobilechannel is a good one. One reason, I opted for a recumbent 😂.
Maybe Hank should be riding a bit more with a low racer or a normal recumbent.
I'm really happy to see such videos about recumbents, velomobiles & streamliners on this channel. Keep going on! 😃
Agreed. If not on a regular basis, it would have been good for Hank to warm up for a half hour on a lowracer before jumping into the bottom of Snoopy.
They could also let someone learn from the beginning with a beginner friendly bike (or trike), do some touring and commuting and progress to more speed focused bikes and velomobiles only when they are ready. Maybe Kilian, who is not as much dialed in to upright bikes would find it more easy to transition and find the speed advantage useful to keep up in group rides with the presenters (as long as it's not going uphill, but maybe put in some e-assist as well for the maximum in equalizer bikes)
Excellent video thanks! I want more recumbents, more about those super fast machines, more about this leading edge technology on 2 wheels and....more and more SPEED!
great stuff here. love the canoe/rocket shape of the bikes. simply beautiful. thank you. real people, real garbage tech. no company hype. pure competition of style / design.
Love my recumbent (Bacchetta Giro 26) add a windsock, fairing and a tailbox and I was covering 160 miles plus a day( and that's while traveling on regular undulating roads and carrying touring gear).
I would love to see more Recumbent reporting - this was great fun! The world of two wheeled recumbents is Vast in design and Capability. It would be nice to see some of the more mainstream🦘 bikes we mere mortals can ride to keep up with our younger brethren
Thank you for being game, takes a bit of practice I see! Wouldbe great to see both Hank and Manon learning to ride these and go FAST!
Those Hank crashes were way funnier than they should have been.
Terrible that the bike got scraped up, but brilliant comedic content 😆😆😆
Yeah, as long as Hank doesn't get hurt, we don't mind
Great GCN work. I would love to see Hank going on a good road/ track at full power in Snoopy.
Need to see a track sprinter piloting one of these.
czcams.com/video/rLVAZZ2Qxyc/video.html
See the French 'Velo Altair' youtube channel for Francois Pervis (7x world track champion) piloting UIT's 'Altair' streamliner to 86mph at Battle Mountain this year. He was aiming for the world record set by Todd Reichart of 89mph, but the weather conditions didn't fall right for him, and the road surface had deteriorated since the record was set in 2016.
Sympathies, Hank. But at least you were on a nice quiet circuit: first time I tried a recumbent was in the middle of town on a Saturday. Hairy, that was.
Not the best place to learn anything!
Oh, we wanted it to be windy for him to learn 😂
I have been round Castle Coombe way faster than that (250bhp Volvo), but nowhere near as impressive as those things. The whole HPV thing is fascinating. I think it’s the shed built tinkerer meets athlete that makes it so interesting. Great vid guys, thanks and more please.
Awesome video team, I really enjoy this kind of content. I imagine that reverse fork makes this particularly hard to ride because the bike will want to steer into the lean. There is definitely a good reason that conventional bikes have the fork angling the other way!
Absolutely stellar content again gcn and Hank (&Manon)!! More recumbent videos! Loved that Russ entrusted his 'baby ' to Hank, and he crashed it, not once, not twice, but thrice! He's like the effervescent Springer Spaniel, so game but cheerfully wreaking havoc simultaneously everywhere at once! These recumbents look devilishly tricky to handle and are wicked fast! Next time, (I hope that there is one), can we please have a camera inside with a track view? And can we send Hank to Recumbent School so he can focus his seemingly boundless energy on achieving his goal?
I have pics from the late 80’s building vehicles like this when hubby and I were in college.
When one descends a hill on a recumbent it keeps on carrying the speed once it levels out. It's such a neat experience, and of course it's really noticeable if you're riding with someone on a conventional bike.
There's several of these here. Surprised Hank didn't see a few of them. On rides in traffic at speed.
This is awesome guys wow please do more of these vids 👍🚴🏻Pete
More recumbent content please. what can you ride on the road. where to but one
Great to see HPV content, big thanks to Hank and GCN for this video!
Thanks for watching!
Reminds me of the tippiness of learning surfski. The retractable stabilizers are cool!
Amazing. More please!
Great video. More velomobile videos. What's it like to commute in one?
There is a really good reason that in the Aussie HPV racing gloves and helmets are mandatory. The trikes raced over here are often averaging around 55kmh (34mph) for 24hrs. The Aussie racing trikes like Trump Trikes and Trisled are a fair bit lower which is beneficial to getting the frontal area down which is important for drag. They are in the 750-850mm height range compared to these which I don't think would give you much change out of 950mm.
I've been fortunate to have both raced these trikes and travelled to the World Human Powered Speed Challenge (WHPSC) as a member of a team aiming for the land speed records. Both are quite fun and push boundaries in their own ways, although there are a few differences between vehicle types.
The land speed record bikes are usually designed for two things - to go fast in a straight line and to protect the rider in the event of an incident / crash. As a result, CDA is everything and centre of mass and thus height is less important. Endurance racing trikes on the other hand usually need to be able to navigate sharp corners at high speeds, hence the lower centre of mass. Trikes also don't require the same level of balance and training to be able to successfully ride them without crashing, so there is a significantly lower barrier to entry in that regard.
Another difference is visibility. There are often well over 100 trikes on the track during endurance races, so the rider needs to be able to see somewhat well to navigate the track without crashing into people. Vehicles on land speed record runs are usually separated by 2 or more minutes at launch, so don't have the same traffic concerns. This means that many HPVs designed for these competitions don't have any windows at all. Cameras are used instead to show video on displays in front of the rider. There are usually at least two camera systems for redundancy as it would be safe to say that a single camera or display failing at 140km/h is not ideal :).
I followed the emerging HPV scene in the `80’s, and in 1990 I bought a racing recumbent tricycle that had rear wheels steering, front wheel drive, and an incredibly steep learning curve to learn how to ride it. With my head being lower than the top of the wheels, it was unwise to ride it on open roads. A blast once mastered, surprisingly maneuverable but quite heavy, once up to speed it was quick, but not fast. It taught me that aero is about leaving less turbulence behind, not merely how smoothly you may push air aside.
Always love watching recumbent content. More please! My dream would be a GCN channel dedicated to recumbents and velomobiles ....
My mate Ethan would love it too! Recumbents are so much fun
Just if someone in the team personally got into recumbents, it would be such an opportunity to show the actual recumbent experience, not just plonking an upright rider into some of the hardest to ride bikes* on the planet.
*) actually used bikes. Of course there are some strange novelty bikes that are harder to ride on purpose.
I've seen 'Flash' in videos for the Human Powered Vehicle races that are held throughout Britain and he is a fast rider on those courses.
I found this to be a fun informative video.
Love the “he is just going to crash at a higher speed now” comment, then he crashed!
😂😂😂😂
Really enjoyed this! More recumbents! Racing maybe. What must recumbent drafting be like....
Drafting is much reduced I think. The slick aerodynamics of the first rider does produce less of a wake and the slick aerodynamics of the second one gives less opportunity to reduce drag. But yeah, it is still a thing and used in the real world at least with unfaired twowheelers. With faired streamliners and velomobiles maybe it's not worth it anymore, unless in a large group or a very tight race.
I’m a retired race car driver who knows next to nothing about bicycles (especially recumbent bikes) but watching this I’m wondering why I don’t see streamlined recumbent bikes racing in big events. In motorsport we have lots of sanctioning bodies and even more rules, so that, for example, Formula One and NASCAR aren’t allowed to race together, but both exist with huge audiences. NASCAR remains popular despite being much slower and cruder than F1, but F1 none the less eclipses NASCAR, especially on the global stage. Given that streamlined recumbent bikes would seem to be the Formula One of bike racing, why are they not seen as the pinnacle of human powered racing? Is this a marketing problem, or are there more fundamental problems?
Well done Hank and Manon - great video - I hope Hank will have another attempt and Manon should have a go as well!
I primarily ride upright but I do have a HPvelo Grasshopper in my collection that is delightful to ride around on :) Imagine if UCI had not banned recumbents way back when (at the behest of upright manufacturers)... Would love to try a Cruzbike!
Please profile ICE tadpole recumbent trikes and also profile a variety of customers and how and why they ride them.
Yeah, finally a video about these epic guys. Slash is an absolute legend! Nice to see new faces joining and following in his footsteps. So Hank, learn how to drive that thing, have one built for yourself and show us more insights into that racing culture.
Great stuff!
Great content !
Its so nice to see you more and more interested in recumbents. It would be nice to do a video about light bikepacking in one of these, or maybe on a 3 wheeler velomobile.
Racing machines.
50 yrs ago, I would find the steepest road hills to ride down. Macclesfield forest was the steepest, going at insane speeds, too fast to pedal; it was like a ski run.
I ve ridden such streamliners in races and balance is the critical point. It needs about 500km to get used balancing on an unfaired recumbent. But to get used to an open streamliner,like Hank rode, is even harder. At about 20mph selfbalancing is good an easy rideable without assistance wheels. With head enclosed ist the hardest to balance. You cant move your body so you cant compensate some imbalance, you just fell. So it was most likely that Hank fell. I would give my streamliner only an experienced recumbent rider.
Are these bikes intrinsically stable or do they rely on rider inputs to remain so? If you gave one a push down the road without a rider, would it crash immediately or roll until running out of energy?
@@AndyRRR0791 They are build in the same way as normal bikes, so they are stable. (Riding instable bikes are dangerous/insidious eg rearwheel-steering on a 2wheeler). But it needs more speed to ride stable. You canˋt move with your body to compensate some imbalance.
@@RazzFazz-Race You can make stable rear-wheel steering bikes. I was just wondering how much engineering has gone into developing the stability and whether they could be made much easier to ride.
Just build one to proof all wrong. And then Go round a corner at 30 mph...
@@RazzFazz-Race czcams.com/video/VbqnSTa-gQY/video.html
There are some small, light electronic gyros for stabilizing RC airplanes, helicopters and drones. I would be relatively trivial to create an automatic stabiliser with a single axis gyro, servo, battery and control board. Tying it into the steering wouldn't be difficult either.
A rudder style control surface at the top rear of that Snoopy streamliner would be fairly easy to implement. I wonder if getting rid of the weave (and adding some crosswind compensation) would gain any efficiency, or if the added drag of a moving control surface would reduce it?
I am very curious about what kind of power output is needed with those things in order to maintain such high speeds in comparison to a road & TT bike
I bet they use Rim Brakes ❤
Another great video team 😊👍
Thank you! 👍
Will there be a review on production recumbents, such as from HP Velotechnik, azub, performer, the likes?
Here in the Netherlands they're often called bananas because of the tubular shape and the yellow color they often come with. They are significantly faster than recumbent bikes without a shell, that's for sure.
And yes even these are used for daily commute by some. Though require high visibility and a flag because they are so low many motorists might otherwise look straight ovet it.
That's just not true. There is no requirement for a flag or any additional visibility aid as compared to any other vehicle here in the Netherlands. Motorists just don't see at all and that has nothing to do with how the other looks. Other road users will just have to adjust to that.
That looked like fun! 🙂
A streamliner is The Bike of My Literal Dreams. I did once reach 40mph on a hybrid bike, but that was coming down Kidd’s Hill.
It would be nice to indicate speeds in km/h when you give a speed in a unit (at 8:19 and 8:47) that is not used outside the UK and USA. Thank you!
Get Betsy in one, she had insane cadence and endurance, plus as a BMXer absolutely no fear!
I want to see more , I have 2 trikes and a velomobile I'm restoring . It's definitely niche but it's very interesting, I actually love a head wind it hits roadies a lot harder , I've often heard people can't get a draft off of me and sat it's actually harder to ride behind me . I have spoke covers up front and a carbon trispoke in back .
On my video player, as soon as Hank said it’s about time we see this topless.. a commercial started!
ps: I’ve raced my streamliner up to 60 mph at battle mountain and met Russell Bridge there!
At that moment my partner ran over to see what I was watching 😂
Love this
Love it!
Would like to see more of the more accessible daily use and traveling side of recumbents and velomobiles. Maybe things like the record for crossing Germany south to north by Holger Seidel or my buddy Ruben Schütze with the 24h human powered world record that are done in much more managable threewheeled and road going velomibiles.
But really what recumbents are for me is accessibility and comfortable leisure with good speed. You often do videos about iconic, scenic rides. Recumbents are great for those. (Just choose the right one for the route. Don't take a track recumbent on a gravel ride.)
Maybe visit Spezialradmesse "Spezi" (translate: special bikes fair) in Germany or collab more with other channels from all over Europe (or meet the Americans at Spezi).
More please!
Please do unfared high racers and such.
I started cycling in 1980's, then started riding recumbents since 2003.
Nowadays, I wouldn't ride my road bike for any distance over 35 miles, or if I have to log more than 3 hours in the saddle.
Recumbents are just far more comfortable and allow me to function much better after I finish the ride.
I have hight racer recumbent bike and it will sound odd but sitting higher help a lot fot keeping ballance. Reason is simple this low racer bike have center of ballance very low and every little move in bike will immiditely throw it out of ballance, while on hight racer same small movement have much smaller impact on ballance.
Beano!! Slash is awesome!
Thank you for the stability, i'm gonna stick to my road bike 😊!!
It's really the hardest to ride variant, though. There are much more beginner friendly and controllable unfaired or partially faired recumbent twowheelers and velomobiles (and other threewheelers or fourwheelers) are actually really easy to ride. On my city recumbent most people can just sit on it and go.
More recumbent videos!
Entertaining viewing…more please
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hank you're a legend mate 😂
I was considering to build something like this as a recumbent e-bike that could fit some gear (camera equipment or skis etc.). But currently just still somewhere in my mind to do that. Nothing concrete...
As a recumbent racer that has gone 42 mph on a non faired recumbent, I love this content!
That's pretty impressive!
I reported the privacy issue (associated group rodes and this vid's Ghosting topic) with Strava a long time ago.
If the speed device was more in line with the "bike" travel path, the recorded speed would be a bit higher, maybe 49 or 50 mph depending on the degree offset from the bike path.
Btw the 1mph difference might be the wheel size. 650 wheels and 700 carry more speed than 20 inch
Need to get a track sprinter to ride one of than!
Love it ❤️
Thanks!
I think Hank wants to see more recumbent videos.
More extreme speed machines, please!
And maybe even a look into the cycling land-speed record, in which competitors slipstream behind a racing truck, and ride custom-built bikes with ridiculously high gearing . . .?
More, more, more please
I am impressed with what these machines can do. I want one so badly but give me a three-wheeler then for starters