Neuma 4 Tattoo Machine Review: Deep Dive with Ty Pallotta (@TYP.art)
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As promised, the Neuma 4 in depth review that you've all requested. In this video I cover the many different grip and cam options as well as the two styles of bearing arm which will benefit certain styles of tattooing. I include some voltage tips, as well as examples of work being done with these different machine setups, and a recommended starting point on what accessories to grab in addition to your machine. This is an unbiased review based on my time using this machine.
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Thank you Ty! I watched all of the fireside videos which were amazing but this was compact and straight to the point. Just ordered my second one, appreciate it man!!!
Happy to hear it was time well spent! Thanks Tim.
Great piece of machinery- after trying it I’ve ordered another one for greywash with extra aluminum bearing. And more than that I love the fact that I support the right people and not the corporate money hungry ones. Kudos to Carson for creating this great machine.
What would the best cam be for Scalp Micropigmentation?
Ismael Ortiz we recommend the 40% for micropigmentation
that Carson Hill dude is a great man these machines are great my coworker bought one when the cams we're like a tan color and I've been using them since I've tried all the other big names out their Cheyenne,Fk,Bishop and I always compare them to the neuma and none work aswell I've never been able to do traditional with a rotary well and on Halloween I did halloween traditional tattoos all day for $50 bucks and my shop stayed packed for almost 16 hours and I swear the machine didn't heat up .nothing two years ago I did the same and my machine at the time a fk irons machine gave out the motor had not with stood a marathón day this year with the neuma 4 I did have to oíl the machine next day but good to go
@@NeumaTattoo what 3.6 for scalp micropigmentation?
rhe video we’ve all been waiting for, thank you Ty!
Thank you James!
After going through countless videos of different machines and through the different specs, after watching this I finally decided and I ordered two. 👍🏽
Glad this helped Ismael.
Just ordered one the other day. Psyched to give it a shot. I definitely am going to order a stainless grip. Thanks a lot for the video!
Did you use it yet?
Thanks much for this review Ty! I always appreciate your willingness to share your knowledge and insights. I'm getting frustrated with my Xion and feel like I can't ever go any faster, gonna finally cop one of these right now, can't wait to try it out!
No prob! Thanks for watching and hope the Neuma treats you well.
I'm also having a hard time with the xion. I switched my cam and adjusted the give which helped a little but I'm almost at the point of buying a new machine for lining
Awesome review I love using this machine. But I recently had to send it in since I had one of the first version of the neuma. 1 of the first 100 so Carson replaced it for a newer version one and still send me the original grip. Carson is an awesome person. And can’t wait for newer products.
Absolutely. He really stands behind it. The customer service is excellent.
Love the Neuma!!!
Carson has always been superb with his customer service. Have questions, not sure exactly what fits your style...don't be surprised if he throws in some extras for you to try out. Like everyone says this machine is a lining beast. I have the shift grip and a standard grip. The shift grip is one of the most comfortable machines I've used. I have played with the 2 different bearings and all of the cams for the 3.6mm and 4.2mm. My preference seems to be the 3.6 with the 28% cam. I like shading with the aluminum bearing and the 33% cam. I tend to be a machine collector so I'll often use whatever I'm feeling that day. I'd never part with the 3.5 and 4.0 unlimited machines. They're just reliable and easy to use for anything.
with the 28% 3.6 i feel i can do it all but i do enjoy the 20 4.2 for linework but honestly best thing about neuma4 is the stainless knurled grip i dont feel weird doing traditional with a pen machine i used to set up the coils machine when i got a traditional tattoo in it just didnt feel right to tattoo with a rotary that specific style and know its awesome!! The material used for the cams is great and durable mine are black .i think its that peek stuff. Great machine best pen on the market a little loud for me but great tool i use it in combination with dan kubins dmcv2 i just love that little machine
This sounds like an amazing and revolutionary machine. It seems like you're getting all of the benefits of a coil machine in a rotary. However, I'm just a beginner and getting started and it sounds like this rotary is definitely not entry level. I'm heavily anticipating the day that I acquire enough experience and to deserve everything that this wonderful piece of art has to offer.
I would not be intimidated by the language used in this video. I have struggled with low cost machines and produced inferior work in the process. Listen to Carson on Fireside Tattoo Podcast where he explains the theory and get a Neuma. You will not regret it.
Get yourself a direct drive tattoo machine with adjustable stroke use it see what stroke you like for what and then move on to neuma or an injekta Cheyenne etc
I’ve been using it with the critical battery and it hold so well to the back knob of the neuma that you can adjust the needle depth with it. And it’s also much more balanced. Work well with the lightning bolt too (little bit off balance) but you’ll have to buy a 90 degree angle RCA connector or it won’t fit the neuma. Best machine i’ve use since the coil machine. Made me realise how slow i was while using others pen style machine.
That’s great to hear! My good friend Jake just did a review on it. czcams.com/video/idj7s3Yu8hM/video.html He mentions how strong the rca connector is!
Yes, I agree this is the most efficient pen liner I’ve used to date. Thanks for the info!
I measured one of those battery packs voltage with my volt meter and I remember it showing a volt lower than the read out. So 9 volts is probably around 8 volts. (Caution- if you short stuff like that while its on it will probably break it.) Having a snug Neuma 4 Battery Housing that took standard lithium cells would be AMAZING. Good idea. Thanks for the video!
Thanks man. Carson has mentioned running over nine volts won’t kill the motor but may shorten its life some. Good to know I’ve got another whole volt to go!!
@@tyatx9258 compare your cps (sound) from your muso toku to the battery pack. You'll know how much to scale up when using the pack. Those packs are just a cheap lithium battery and a cheap boost converter module. Who cares if it accurate, as long as it's consistent!
Also running this machine from Carson. Lives near by....
Great video
Thanks! Glad it was helpful.
Wow, great review! My next machine will be the Neuma 4!
Awesome. I’m glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching.
Hi there Tye, Thank you very much for your review. I have enjoyed your in-depth explanations through The Fireside Tattoo podcast. The detailed explanations by yourself and Carson have encouraged myself to buy a Neuma 4 from the US. My 1st machine I attempted to use for everything but changing the brass and aluminium bearing arm got to be a bit of a faff so I bought a 2nd. I now have a liner and shader. The 3.6mm 20% standard spring seems to work great for smaller needle configurations and heals super. The other day I tried the machine with a 14RL, whilst it worked to some extent it was not as consistent.
In this video you recommend a 4.2mm 20%, alternative spring for larger grouping. Since the video was published Carson has released a steel machine. I am going to buy a 4.2mm.
Would you recommend the aluminium or steel machine housing? (Machine NOT grip) Cheers Patrick
Steel housing for liners, you could use either but the extra weight makes lining with any grouping very easy.
Does the cams come with it ? I’m wanting to use it for lining and shading I mostly use small liners 3 rls and 5 liner and 7 mag to 15 mag sometimes a 25 for big stuff ! I’ll only be getting one of the new neuma 4s ! I also see that you can order it with one or 2 battery packs what kind of battery pack do they send with them ?
I am saving for another machine, this one looks really good but I would like to know how the machine PULLS the needle instead of the spring of the cartridge. I read a post weeks ago explaining this thing and coils are the best because the needle is pulled up with the mechanism of the magnet instead of the spring wich is what happen in every rotary pen machine construction.
I'm not sure what you mean? It pushes the needle cartridge. No cartridges pull in the upward direction. Only full needle bars are attached to armatures.
I have a battery that fits the section for rechargeable battery
Well done! I noticed you didn't say much about the brass grip. Will that be covered in a follow up video based around vibration and noise?
Yes! I forgot to mention it. I focused on lightest and heaviest and that 1.5 stainless was the heaviest I had! I’ll be sure to mention it along with the disposable review real soon. The disposable is a game changer too. Thanks for reminding me Million.
I own the solid brass grip. My machine runs smooth, minimal vibration. My only con for the machine, which I talked to Carson about, it various cartridge fitments. That is a machine issue as it is more the cartridge manufacturer.
Thanks
Thanks for watching.
What cam and what baring would be the best set up for Scalp Micropigmentation?
I don’t do scalp micropigmentation. What are you currently using and what is the stroke length?
Looks great, and a furute version with the wireless battery following the shape of the machine would be awesome. Any link to your store, or do we need to dm you via Instagram to buy them?
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what do you think about the bishop wand im looking for my next machine ive only had two rotary machines a hummingbird i know right but it was actually decent and a bishop v6i was looking into the wand but know im thinking about the neuma any suggestions
i had all 3 bishop wands and the Packer was the worst. the shader wasn't bad but slower for me. the liner was descent but still hangs in the skin too long. that is why Have contributed to Neuma development and have dialed in cam and bearing arm set ups that work best for me. I prefer 20% 4.2 to line with the brass bearing arm and a stainless or brass grip. I use a 1 gram aluminum bearing arm, 33% 3.6 to shade with a switch grip. this shader set up and the switch grip are my collaborations with Neuma and I highly reccommend them. These two set ups i shared with you are my daily machines for all my work.
@Ty Pallota
I am getting into Traditional Japanese Color tattooing with the vibrant saturation style and looking to buy a pen but need help.
Which Pen would be the greatest all rounder? Neuma 4 or Xion or Vahalla? Out of those 3 which is more better? If you could rank each one.
Also does the Neuma 4 have any give? Or is it a no give machine like direct drives?
Thanks I hope you can help as you have a lot of knowledge!
That depends on what you are used to. I have never used a Valhalla. The Xion is great but long when you add a battery to it. The Neuma is a direct drive. It saturates very well and is good for packing too. If you like a little bit of real bogging “give” the Xion has that.
Neuma 4 or InkJecta X1 as all-rounder?
can u do a dragonfly machine review ?
Thank you Ty! my only question is how does it compare to the Xion?
The Xion is also a great machine. Both tattoo well, this has less vibration and the full wireless built in is very nice.
@@tyatx9258 nice! Your video made me take the jump, I ordered one last night. Do you think lining wise with the 20% cam, 3.6 stroke and the heavy spring will be better for lining bolder lines than the xion? My colors machine has been the scorpion for the past year thanks to your advice on that!
Does the fk irons lightning bolt battery pack work with this does anyone know?
YES (using the Copper Alloy 27mm grip. NO (using Brass Shift grip 33mm) So technically, it does.
However it does put slight 'angle tension' on the RCA connection. Over time might not be great ( off on off on, etc), may eventually weaken rca motor mount on the machine.
. I just used my Neuma 4 first time yesterday, 6hr session. Love it. Heavy Brass Shift grip w/4.2 & 20%cam for linework, Kicks my Xion's (3.6) butt.
If it’s equivalent to a DK then I’m sold.
Not quite I would say, with 3 days using it under my belt. But damn close for a rotary 👍🏼
can you use tne 20% for shading?
Yes. I know a few artists that are successful with that. As far as saturation goes I personally cannot saturate color nearly as well with a 20%. It slows me down comsiderably. I best color healed is both 33% and 40%
Torn between which stroke to get. Does the 3.6 do the job lining or should I go 4.2
I'd go 4.2 20% all day.
@@Kodesterrrhow many volts
@@user-su5qf4jp3l since this video I've actually switched to the neuma macro with a 3.6 20% cam. I usually line around 6.6.-7.0 volts with it.
@@Kodesterrri tried mine spits too much with that cam
@@user-su5qf4jp3l I moved on to the new Macro it has more torque which allows me to use the 3.6 20% cam. I'm usually around 6.6-7 volts for lining. Also try out different lining blacks. I know some brands I used had more spitting issues than others.
Do you know what motor it’s running?
Faulhaber.
I don't understand why on the official website it's written direct drive, this is not a direct drive machine or maybe am I missing something?
(NOT AN EXPERT) but this is my two cents regarding the mechanism of it; I think it's "direct" because there are no other things pushing the needle besides the motor and the cam, I think it was kind of like a swashplate mechanism inspired but the shape of the cams that push the needles are manipulated to copy the waveform on how the needle goes into the skin just like with the coil. it's such a genius piece of mechanism on how simple it is, no bells and whistles. Love simple machines like this. Excited to try one out myself
Technically the bearing arm is directly driving the cam, pushing your cart plunger but that’s a matter of opinion. My personal belief is that cam is in every way a “no-give Slider mechanism”. Either way it’s a rotary without give. We are all correct, just depends on how you view it.
Just got 2.7 cam convinced i threw away cam all weekend luckily not
The review was great but the background sound was maddening. Could you please rerecord that video with a different background sound or no background sound please thank you
Ok, next time.