Review: Michael Gielen's Mahler Revisited
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- Mahler: Symphonies, Song Cycles, Das Lied von der Erde, Des Knaben Wunderhorn. Various Soloists, Choirs, SWR Symphony Orchestra, Michael Gielen (Cond.) SWR Music (17 discs+1 DVD)
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Michael Gielen conducted Mahler 6 with the NDR Orchestra in my hometown Kiel (10/29/2005). My first live Mahler 6. The concert started with Bartok’s Piano Concerto No 3 (with Elena Bashkirova).
Three days earlier he presented his autobiography „Unbedingt Musik“ (Absolutely Music) at the Literaturhaus in Kiel. After the event I had the opportunity to talk to him. He told me I should burn my CD with Mahler 9 from 1990 (Intercord). He thought he didn‘t get it right. He was much more satisfied with his later recording (2003), which is part of this Mahler Box. I think he was right.
Greetings from Northern Germany (I didn‘t burn the other CD 😅).
I appreciate this ongoing look at Mahler boxes. Really something to look forward to.
I took this boxed set with me to the country in Wisconsin in August, and I listened start to finish, with great joy in the investment I had made.
Hello dear friend. I love this Mahler cycle, I especially like his 6th and 9th a lot. IMHO, this is a Mahler cycle not for the faint hearted listeners, nor for beginners as well. Thank you very much for this review.
Just listened to the 7th. Amazing modernist (in a good way) interpretation. Also excellent recording sound.
My reference recording/performance is CSO Solti (saw/heard live in the '70s), very different approach.
The closed captions errors on this are hilarious, e.g. Kindergarten Lieder!
I also liked Gielen's Symphony 8 on Sony from 1981 in Frankfurt. It was my first exposure to Gielen's Mahler. Sold me on him
Yes, this is a great 'comprehensive' Mahler box. None of the performances are my favorite, but it's yet another case of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. No one will go wrong buying it.
My Go-To Mahler, thanks to you.
Thanks for doing this!
I agree with your assessment 100%.
Some truly 1st class performances and some fairly ordinary singing in some of the song cycles. I was surprised to read that Gielen only started performing the first symphony late in his career as he had problems with the piece.
You would never guess it from this performance.
My thoughts on each performance differ a bit. But overall--yeah, this is one of my four or five essential Mahler cycles.
Hello, which are your other essential cycles? Just curious what other Mahlerites listen. Thank you in advance.
@@jakobpetropoulos8850 Both Bernsteins and Bertini. And the fifth would be Solti, but basically because that's what I grew up with. Also essential to me is the Sanderling 9/10/das Lied trilogy.
@@brianburtt7053 Great choices! Thank you.
In typical record industry fashion, SWR Music keeps on releasing Celibidache atrocities and lets this go out of print.
Sadly, you're right. Luckily, I bought a copy about four months ago ("just one left, Amazon said); but now it seems to be totally vanished. It should never stay out of print, it's a musical monument. If you have this box, the two Bernstein's (Sony and DG) and Chailly's, you're in business for Mahler.
I have a couple of friends who have attempted to convince me on the " greatness" of Mr. Celibedache. Personally, I just don't get what all the shouting is about or maybe it's just me as I'm not a trained musician. Do slower,slowest tempos and live recordings guarantee a good performance? (Not to mention a nasty disposition).
There is something personal about the way you talk about Gielen's bleakness, which I don't often sense in your comments about other performers. Did you know him?
Sort of.
David, could you review Imbal's Mahler cycle on Denon? Thanks.
Eventually, sure.
There is an earlier Mahler ninth recorded by Gielen in 1990 (Intercord label). Each movement is 1-2 minute shorter, and so it's even tighter. I think this alternative take of faster and unsentimental last movement defended by Walter, Rosbaud, Kondrashin, Gielen are equally valid, at least it deserved to be heard.
I don't disagree, but it depends on how it fits within the context of the entire symphony.
Have you done a recording review of the Mahler song cycles yet? I’m not if I’ve seen it. I find I struggle finding ideal recordings of the song cycles and wonder what are your favourites.
Have a look at the Mahler playlist.
I agree with the lukewarm verdict of the 4th. But I differ regarding the verdict of the 5th and 9th, though I certainly appreciate the critical point being made about them. Yes, Gielen does not let himself go in e.g. joyous ways in the 5th, but he nonetheless manages to convey a touch of ambivalence also present in the score. I think it works great. I'd rather that than the rather faceless performances one sometimes hears. There is an obviously subjective side to all this. But Gielen's 5th and 9th work brilliantly - at least for me.
Um, OK, better ambivalance than facelessness I suppose, but that's not a choice we need to accept. I'm not a fan of the, "Well, at least he does SOMETHING" school. I want him to do the best thing, which other version manage quite well.
David, do you have anything to say about the passing of Richard Taruskin?
No, not really.
Questions about the 6th in this box: What is the order of the inner movements, and how many hammer blows?
Scherzo / Andante in this one (Andante / Scherzo in the later 2013 live Salzburg that Dave mentioned). Two hammer thwacks.
Scherzo first.
Es como dije: "Gielen transformó a Mahler, en Beethoven".
So, for those of us who already have the Hanssler set, is this a straight duplication, content and quality?
There is more in this box (the complete Tenth, Das Lied, song cycles, etc).