2018 Honda Fit 1.5 Liter GDI P0172

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  • čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
  • Here is a case study I have just completed. This is a very difficult diagnostic that has been bounced around from shop to shop. I hope this helps.

Komentáře • 143

  • @autoservice6572
    @autoservice6572 Před rokem +25

    No one can convince me to watch that long except that great man
    Thank you sir

  • @happy543210
    @happy543210 Před rokem +12

    Those racing stripes on the Hood should have been an indication that somebody was going to fiddle around with the motor.

  • @ThePracticalMechanic
    @ThePracticalMechanic Před rokem +16

    I just had a Honda fit in the bay last month running very rich as well. Luckily another one came for a LOF so I quickly grabbed some known good data to compare fuel pressure and other sensors. I disabled fuel to drop rail pressure and then released pressure just to make sure the rail pressure would display zero psi.
    My HC was slightly higher out the tail pipe.
    Watching the injectors on the scope it seemed like the pintle closing hump was late.
    I called injectors and Honda had them on the shelf. Sold in a 4 pack.
    My trims returned to -5% TFT after replacing injectors.

    • @ThePracticalMechanic
      @ThePracticalMechanic Před rokem +8

      Just got to the after capture at 1:11:42 check out that pintle close hump compare to what we had before at 1:08:16

    • @asewamu
      @asewamu Před rokem +3

      Good catch on that in his video.

    • @Nhatchay
      @Nhatchay Před 7 měsíci

      Could anyone explain to me how computer controls with wrong injectors as he said!?

  • @danthecarman8440
    @danthecarman8440 Před rokem +24

    Glad to see the master is back in action. The amount i learnt in one hour thanks to Bernie is just mind blowing. Thanks so much.

  • @rick343
    @rick343 Před rokem +14

    Bernie's back?!!!!? I didn't think he did videos anymore, I'm subscribed and I can't remember when a video popped up, I've watched this guy all day, there has been some of the craziest diags I've ever seen, and Bernie never misses on them.
    Hey Bernie, how the hell are you doing? 👍😁

  • @FinalStopMobileAutoTech
    @FinalStopMobileAutoTech Před rokem +19

    Always a great day when Bernie posts up another awesome video!!

  • @KBLIZZ333
    @KBLIZZ333 Před rokem +1

    Just when I think I'm getting decent at doing diags I'll watch channels like this be humbled faster than injector "on time". I am convinced, I will never in my life be even half as good as this man. Mr Bernie C. Thompson 🙏🏼 the #legend

  • @timothybarnes533
    @timothybarnes533 Před rokem +34

    MOTHER FREAKIN MANS BACK!!!!😂😂😂😂

    • @elias8654
      @elias8654 Před rokem +3

      He hasn’t left. I visited their facility and he was there. Not sure why they don’t post more often

    • @scientist100
      @scientist100 Před rokem +2

      ​@@elias8654they diagnose like this every day?

  • @calholli
    @calholli Před rokem +2

    I understand following all the data, but once you verified that the fuel pressure was where it should be.. the MAF and Barro are where they should be.. Your tail pipe reading matched the computer.. and your "known good car" showed that the 'on time was in the ball park. Then there's only one place left that can add fuel-- which is the injectors. At first I was thinking it could be a leaking injector, and was just a fluke thing that it wasn't causing misfires. But either way, it had to be an injector issue. My point is, sometimes we have to know when to stop testing data and actually get to wrenching something.. finding that balance. Excellent video. I like all your little tips from being burned in the past etc. Those are super helpful. Cheers.

  • @j.m.5995
    @j.m.5995 Před rokem

    Only channel worth watching for hours on end simply due to the wisdom and knowledge being dished out left and right

  • @JOHNPHUFNAGEL
    @JOHNPHUFNAGEL Před rokem +5

    I had the same vehicle, with the exact problem in my shop a month ago, everything was checking out good. I was convinced the injectors were the problem, but after the car being at 3 other shops that replaced a bunch of parts. I didn't want to waste anymore of the customers money. So I sent them out to be tested. 1 passed 1 was restricted and the other 2 were flowing to much. I lost my ass on that car because I didn't bill for all of my time, but I learned a lot.
    Great video

  • @ritchieschofield1185
    @ritchieschofield1185 Před rokem +2

    Bernie is keeping me up on a school night! Once again the masters at work. I'll watch the latter half tomorrow.
    The diag master tech is back. Can only dream to have half the knowledge of Bernie

  • @Hurlburton
    @Hurlburton Před rokem +2

    Welcome back Bernie the man with the auto repair plan

  • @naabilzeng9474
    @naabilzeng9474 Před rokem +2

    Bernie you are great I have learn plenty from you, may the Creator guide with long life so that you will always impact the world with great diagnostics videos 🙏🙏

  • @ericaleshire1356
    @ericaleshire1356 Před rokem +1

    Glad you’re back Bernie. It’s been too long. Keep kicking ass good sir!

  • @RAVETOR
    @RAVETOR Před rokem +4

    The master is back! YES!

  • @isalmankhan1
    @isalmankhan1 Před rokem +9

    Great to see you Sir, really appreciate your work😍

  • @josefacundo8427
    @josefacundo8427 Před rokem +1

    sometimes you do need another known good vehicle of the same model to get data and compare..thank you Bernie awesome.

  • @jordysandino6577
    @jordysandino6577 Před rokem +2

    Muchísimas gracias don berny por todos sus vídeos y toda la información que nos
    A proporcionado durante muchos años .
    Dios que continúe bendiciéndoles y muy contentos de verle de nueva cuenta

  • @mr.technician2638
    @mr.technician2638 Před rokem +3

    God bless you always sir Bernie ,,and may God gave you always a good health so that you can make more videos to made us techs gain more and more diagnostic knowledge😊😊😊😊

  • @dmurf4156
    @dmurf4156 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Well this is an excellent case of no communication, someone alone the line forgot to inform the techs that the injectors have been changed, since it’s not a 30 minute job to do on this engine I suspect. I think sometimes the customer thinks it will be cheaper to not tell the whole story after the parts cannon has been fired….

    • @scaracci24
      @scaracci24 Před 3 měsíci

      You're 💯 correct. Customers need to be educated

  • @davidgoliath982
    @davidgoliath982 Před rokem +1

    to convert kpa to p.s.i. multiply kpa by .145 - to convert in.Hg to p.s.i. divide by 2. great analysis!

  • @Flyingspann3r
    @Flyingspann3r Před rokem +3

    Looking forward to this video, got the coffee on. The master returns 👍

  • @nikik89
    @nikik89 Před rokem +1

    Man is a Legend. Nice to come back. It would be nice to post videos more often. 🔝😊

  • @jessemackenzie6516
    @jessemackenzie6516 Před rokem +3

    I have been waiting for another video. This made my day. TY ATS

  • @edwardboers2269
    @edwardboers2269 Před rokem +1

    Great to see a new video after a long break 👍

  • @jordanboulay3780
    @jordanboulay3780 Před rokem +7

    happy to see a video again! I was worried about the master! Bernie your at a your own level when it cones to diagnostics as good as guys like danner and ivan pine hollow are your in your own league sir!

    • @abdul-kabiralegbe5660
      @abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Před rokem +3

      The reason for him being heads and shoulders above the rest is that he has ZERO trust for the scan tool DTCs as a diagnostic aid. In other words, he doesn't trust the ECM/Control Module. That's why he always emphasises gathering raw data.

    • @ShitWrangler
      @ShitWrangler Před rokem +1

      @@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Coming out of the 'pandemic' I think Bernie's data driven approach to diagnostics should be interdisciplinarity applied. People are still stuck on "consensus science", which would be like asking everyone in the shop their opinion and THEN firing the parts cannon based off the common best guess. Good luck - ya right.

  • @charlesflores9714
    @charlesflores9714 Před rokem +1

    As someone who spent close to $5,000 on the escan elite, the escope, and the pressure pro kit their support is terrible. If you loose the OBD to Bluetooth adapter they will not help you. You have to buy everything all over.
    Camera broke after less than a year of light use.
    I love them but sheesh they don’t offer much for support and Jeff laughed over the phone because he said I made a $1,800 mistake losing an adapter that should be replaceable.

  • @Pablo_Automotive
    @Pablo_Automotive Před rokem +2

    Mr. Bernier thanks for another master class, It was an interesting cause of study.

  • @kdmq
    @kdmq Před 2 měsíci

    53:46 A little tech tip, any time you are disconnecting a battery and draining surcharge from the positive wire to the negative wire like that, you want to make sure you don't have an auxiliary battery or any kind of second battery in your system. These are common on luxury cars, cars with start-stop systems, or diesel pickup trucks. The consequence of connecting the 10 ohm resistor with another battery still connected is you would melt the resistor.

  • @scaracci24
    @scaracci24 Před 3 měsíci

    This is great. I'm wondering how one would even present this to a customer for approval. Lots of shops and techs don't charge appropriately for this type of work

  • @E_Legal_Alien
    @E_Legal_Alien Před rokem +2

    I once had a p0172 in my 2018 Chevy Cruze. It was intermittent. Threw the parts cannon at it. New MAF, MAP, upstream 02 sensor. Still there. Ended up being the tricky way the air filter fits in the airbox the whole time. Never even considered that, even though it started right after I changed the engine air filter.

  • @pyralux01
    @pyralux01 Před rokem +2

    My take-away is always ask if any modification has been done to the vehicle that might cause the existing condition....

    • @madmike214
      @madmike214 Před rokem +1

      The racing stripes on a Honda fit was a red flag lol

  • @a.j.dasilva578
    @a.j.dasilva578 Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing video!! The in depth data and explanation of it is just great. Really like the video and information. Keep the diagnostic videos coming great work.

  • @davidpilotto6640
    @davidpilotto6640 Před rokem +3

    Glad to see you back in action!
    Hope to see Bernie do a video on HV/EV issues

  • @vee985
    @vee985 Před rokem +3

    So the owner changed the injectors, has an error code, sends the car from shop to shop,
    and does not tell anyone the injectors were changed from stock to racing?
    Note to self.
    If a a car has racing stripes on it, assume the owner modified something.

    • @gaad7938
      @gaad7938 Před rokem +1

      Was thinking the same thing.
      The owner probably could have saved himself a bunch of money is he had mentioned that the injectors were changed.

  • @crownline5555
    @crownline5555 Před rokem

    Far beyond the scope of most diagnostic techs

  • @christiandiaz7422
    @christiandiaz7422 Před rokem +2

    THE BOSS IS BACK 🎉🎉

  • @halleffect1
    @halleffect1 Před rokem

    another great vid from the master. just reinforces that you need the right equipment but also have to know what you're looking at. Known-good data is critical.
    still not sure I'd have thought to change the injectors though, that's where experience comes in.

  • @baja-automotive
    @baja-automotive Před rokem

    Great video
    Half my diag is reverse engineering customers ebay mods.
    Last month I had a 2015 Impreza with an acceleration concern. Customer went to multiple shops and had plug, coils, engine cleaners done. Last shop said it was the phasers and chains.
    Two test drives and twenty minutes studying PIDS told me I had a VE issue.
    Two hours later I found a “Turbonator” glued in the intake pipe going to the TB.
    These kids and there ebay mods are killing me

  • @JohnAsang
    @JohnAsang Před 5 měsíci

    Honda scan tool has a section for running a fuel injector air/fuel ratio test it check balance and fuel delivery of each injector and will pick up those faults. That is the very first thing you do with Honda on rich or lean codes with wacked out fuel trims.

  • @courtneysmith608
    @courtneysmith608 Před rokem +1

    I miss you Bernie thanks for all your great videos I bought your 4 channel scope and your tablet very good power full scan tool

  • @PaulysAuto
    @PaulysAuto Před rokem +1

    Thank you for all the amazing information Bernie! ❤

  • @JOMaMa..
    @JOMaMa.. Před rokem +1

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience

  • @carlm2590
    @carlm2590 Před rokem +1

    Outstanding, Bernie

  • @truth4reel
    @truth4reel Před rokem

    Maaan this is crazy. A whole nother level with Bernie

  • @8power0
    @8power0 Před rokem +1

    WHY WAS THIS SUCH A DIFFICULT DIAGNOSTICS FOR BERNIE THOMPSON AND ONLY A HONDA , CAR TECHNOLOGY IS EVOLVING SO FAST IN TODAY'S TIME EVEN THE MASTERS CAN BE CHALLENGED .

  • @user-du4oq5ch1r
    @user-du4oq5ch1r Před 7 měsíci

    Im sure the injectors were in need of replacement but the p0172 is set because of excessive fuel in the crankcase, simple pull of the dipstick would have shown oil level was overfull, smell the oil, fuel saturated. very common on hondas direct injection

  • @glennallen7129
    @glennallen7129 Před rokem +3

    Lesson learned from Bernie! Don’t buy a little Honda and turned it into a hot rod. Buy a Camaro instead! Chevy thunder!

  • @Z14kt12timandjes1
    @Z14kt12timandjes1 Před rokem +1

    Excellent video! Thank you for your teaching. One question, I may have misunderstood this part of it, but why did you stop looking for the alcohol content in the fuel when you didn't see that PID on the scan tool? Does the PID missing from the scan tool mean that could not be a problem with that vehicle? Thanks again for your excellent training

  • @saizaleggs
    @saizaleggs Před rokem +1

    Thanks for sharing uncle Bernie,muito obrigado professor!

  • @emielplomp3930
    @emielplomp3930 Před rokem +1

    Always love your videos

  • @jordysandino6577
    @jordysandino6577 Před rokem

    Mr ver y im so glad that you’re doing great.
    Thank you for coming back master .
    I appreciate everything that you do for us .
    God bless you!

  • @BlackOpsJuJu
    @BlackOpsJuJu Před rokem

    i have so been waiting for you to release another vid Great as Always Thanks for Sharing

  • @rick343
    @rick343 Před rokem +3

    You can't figure it out and get the correct diagnosis,
    Get it to Bernie!! Damn it, he'll get it right!!

  • @user-nb6nr6vm5i
    @user-nb6nr6vm5i Před 7 měsíci

    hi sir ,yes i call you sir you are a king king bernie god bless u sir wish u health happines and lots of love for 2024 greetings from sunny south africa

  • @fmbfla
    @fmbfla Před rokem +1

    Purple smoke out my ears again...
    Thank you for the insite...
    YELLOW HONDA WITH RACING STRIPES!

  • @gustavomartinez324
    @gustavomartinez324 Před rokem

    Never seen anyone diagnostics cars like this guy the best one seen in my life

  • @tracycolorado
    @tracycolorado Před rokem

    Bernie, always a pleasure

  • @codyarizona4925
    @codyarizona4925 Před rokem

    Great video! Thank you so much for sharing your incredible knowledge.

  • @jordysandino6577
    @jordysandino6577 Před rokem

    Thank you mister berny What a great example of hard working men .
    Glad you are back master .

  • @lorrainebwoy
    @lorrainebwoy Před rokem

    Awesome diagnostic work

  • @and0pand0
    @and0pand0 Před rokem

    Ok bernie no more hiatus from youtube please!!!

  • @romir27zt
    @romir27zt Před rokem

    The GOAT is back

  • @strikeryachts
    @strikeryachts Před rokem +2

    Bernie's the best !

  • @amjadzidaoi4011
    @amjadzidaoi4011 Před rokem

    Wow such a crazy case study

  • @tatuado5875
    @tatuado5875 Před 4 měsíci

    Hey Bernie, I have a 2018 Honda. Accord sport 1.5 Turbo I changed the injectors out. Change the fuel pump out. Change the map center out. Change the spark plugs out. Change the coils out and after all, said and done. I'm getting a code that's saying it's too rich. Could it be my upper? 02 sensor

  • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

    Why would someone install high-flow injectors on a HONDA FIT 🤣🤣🤣
    This one would be a good candidate to ask the customer about the history of the vehicle... "when did the problem start?" 😉

  • @imprezaaudi
    @imprezaaudi Před rokem +2

    Racing stripes should throw up modification warning 🤣

  • @claytonolive5416
    @claytonolive5416 Před rokem

    It's crazy how stoked I was to see this video in my notifications !!!!!! Hahahah😅

  • @AucklandAutoDiag
    @AucklandAutoDiag Před 6 dny

    "I'm no expert on any car" for real?😂

  • @mejesse809
    @mejesse809 Před rokem

    IT'S NICE TO SEE SOMEONE MAKE A VIDEO, LONGER THAN 20 MINUTES, BERNIE, STILL THE KING!

  • @ablackformula
    @ablackformula Před rokem +1

    Could an inaccurate fuel pressure sensor have been a fault? If the sensor reads lower than actual.. the pcm would be happy with the pressure, as it sees what it's expecting, yet its fuel calculation ends up injecting too much fuel because in reality the fuel pressure was too high. That's where I saw this going.

  • @DOCTORHONDA
    @DOCTORHONDA Před 15 dny

    Great Master!

  • @motosystemltd
    @motosystemltd Před 10 měsíci

    My brain is hurt's 😂
    I think You are the best in the word

  • @Jesus-ts5ig
    @Jesus-ts5ig Před 9 měsíci

    I have the same issue with my FIT in the shop. I have over 5000ppm HC when i check the readings in the oil cap. So the oil is contaminanted with fuel?

  • @Ekimsrevo
    @Ekimsrevo Před 11 měsíci

    I had a 17 in the shop w gdi with a lean code turns out some of these had a recall on the injectors

  • @shumanchu1
    @shumanchu1 Před rokem +1

    Hot rod bullshit strikes again! Thanks for another great video!

  • @GraditelMacedonia
    @GraditelMacedonia Před rokem

    Art of diagnostic!

  • @billsmith2212
    @billsmith2212 Před rokem

    WHO put those injectors in ? WHY were they changed ? WHAT brand were they ? Was it a case of getting the wrong or cheap parts ? Someone has to know .

  • @gasparhernandez3646
    @gasparhernandez3646 Před rokem

    Bueno trabajo mister Thomson

  • @ronsketchley6669
    @ronsketchley6669 Před rokem

    great stuff!! [the givaway clue might be the racing stripes] lol

  • @charlesmecum5009
    @charlesmecum5009 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Curious, if no other shops can fix, does ats get paid more to diag, certain of the answer, but curious how much u charge.

    • @scaracci24
      @scaracci24 Před 3 měsíci

      I'd love to know the answer to this

  • @justins.2415
    @justins.2415 Před rokem

    does unplugging the high pressure regulator default the system to max pressure?

  • @dimisrambodimisrambo7285

    linear fuel trims must be positive or negative throughout the rev range or it doesn't matter and we can have positive at low revs and negative at high revs?

  • @BATcave101
    @BATcave101 Před rokem

    Great diag. Thank you 🎉

  • @madmike214
    @madmike214 Před rokem +2

    Very cool!!! How did you charge for something like this though? I'm curious as to what billed hours you would charge for this.

    • @Hernandez530
      @Hernandez530 Před rokem +2

      Probably took him a full day

    • @eliezerramosjr1017
      @eliezerramosjr1017 Před rokem

      Charger by the hour and only TOOKEN bout couple hours.

    • @pootthatbak2578
      @pootthatbak2578 Před rokem

      Imagine how long it took to set up the oscope to test 4 powers, 3 grounds, and a current clamp on the computer.😮 anyway im billing 16 hours at 150usd per/hr. 2400 dollars..the engine was saved from self destructing, which would have cost 6000 bucks

  • @ezeedazit8270
    @ezeedazit8270 Před rokem

    amazin' , mind blown again - Thank You Mr . BT . You are a national treasure sir .

  • @aymenmohamed1134
    @aymenmohamed1134 Před 10 měsíci

    Awesome

  • @dereksimenac8844
    @dereksimenac8844 Před rokem

    Lately most of my rich conditions are caused by octane rating for flex fuel vehicles

  • @dumisanitembanimtisi8411

    Thanks Mr Bernie,its been a while waiting for some troubleshooting from yu Sir. Thanks a lot

  • @rafaelgarcia-xk7eu
    @rafaelgarcia-xk7eu Před rokem

    I had a 2018 fit with the same problem last week. I wasnt as thorough as Bernie, however my snap on zeus has an test for the injectors. The test failed "rich injectors"
    I was not confident enough with my diagnosis to replace the injectors, so I suggested the owner to try the dealer for a second opinion.
    A couple days later the owner called and said they reprogrammed the computer and that it was fixed.

  • @jordysandino6577
    @jordysandino6577 Před rokem +1

    Bravo mister berny way to go 😂😂😂 high performance injector bs 😂😂

  • @richardnilsen5
    @richardnilsen5 Před rokem

    Great video process of elimination by reading
    Data and finding duty cycle on to long injectors 👃👍

  • @Evesautomotive
    @Evesautomotive Před rokem +1

    Because race car?

  • @SouTme-wv3xk
    @SouTme-wv3xk Před rokem

    THANKS

  • @SouTme-wv3xk
    @SouTme-wv3xk Před rokem

    BRAVO

  • @joshuamyers3185
    @joshuamyers3185 Před rokem

    I know in special function for ECM there is a A/F cylinder test. Per injector DTC troubleshooting it states to preform test three times and compare readings of pass fail and if duplicated it recommends all injectors to be replacement. I have used this test to preform injector checks when having a P0172 or misfire test. I do not or shops I help in testing do not have five gas analyzer. I have and wanted to purchase one but before making that call on expense would like to see the Honda A/F cylinder test results to five gas. Would like to see if a logic takes over or we get true valves out exhaust. Because I wounder if like in your case it shows Lambda and no stuck rear O2 reading, how it is making the logical choice to keep injector on for the times it does?

  • @kevincampbell8298
    @kevincampbell8298 Před 7 měsíci

    How much more does someone think they will get just dumping more fuel in and no other changes out of that engine. Its insane and very ignorant..

  • @richardcranium5839
    @richardcranium5839 Před rokem

    @14:30 wouldnt you want to disable the pcv vacuum as your probe is getting outside air pulled past it skewing the results.