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Yeah, that seems probable. In dbx2, gt goku refers to Beerus by his name during the pre-fight dialogue. Furthermore, GT Goku repeatedly uses an incomplete ssg ritual, as only 4 super saiyans were able to get him to full power ssj. The introduction of battle of gods also meant that the statement of Pan in GT being unable to turn ssj is retconned.
another thing is that there is a guidebook statement (with Super Saiyan God shown on the same page as this statement) stating Super Saiyan 4 is the ultimate saiyan transformation, which would further explain why Goku is purposefully getting energy from 4 saiyans instead of 5, as Super Saiyan God is a lesser form which would explain why Goku wouldn't go for a 5th saiyan
It's possible that when Battle of God was written, Shueisha was fine having it connected to GT. When you think about it, Battle of God alone wouldn't change much of GT. It's not like Goku would be able to use Super Saiyan God since that form was absorbed into Goku's base form, which also explain Goku's absurbly strong base form. It was until RoF and DBS was planned with Toriyama's supervision that it was decided that modern DB series is a seperate canon to GT.
Honestly it really makes sense that BOG Beerus from the movie would fit into the GT Timeline since BOG was stated to be right before End of Z. Plus in tue original movie Goku didn’t keep the power of Super Sayian God, that only happened in Super. And Kibito and Shin were still fused in the movie and in GT so the movie version can actually perfectly fit in the story if we lets say Beerus went back to sleep.
Gt would also only happen in a timeline where beerus does not wake up to interact with goku at all, gt is the dragon ball retelling then dbz kai and the dbz movies then gt battle of the god is not the same timeline supers timeline is original dragonball original Dragonball Z then dragon ball super and the super movies
Lets dismiss the idea that GT Goku became a god(not saying he didnt) and acknowledge that this Goku has 100 years of training. From cell to buu he learned SSJ2 and SSJ3. Imagine what he could learn in 100, even if hes not a god he would still give super Goku a run for his money💀
END OF Z GOKU IS STRONGER THAN ANY FORM OF GOKU FROM DRAGONBALL SUPER AND GT GOKU IS STRONGER THAN END OF Z GOKU . SO THAT MEANS GT GOKU IS STRONGER THAN ANY FORM OF GOKU IN DRAGONBALL SUPER . Unless Toriyama decides to retcon the end of Z which is still Canon BTW
@thelettucebarrel7784 End Of Z Goku is Very well canon and it has nothing to do with GT Goku being stronger than both him or super goku . You are a clown
@thelettucebarrel7784 "Super didn't happen in GT" well no shit Sherlock, dragonball super hasn't even made it to the events of the End Of Z yet . And the end of z is canon . Which automatically makes End Of Z Goku stronger than dragonball super goku. And thats 100% facts until toriyama decides he has to retcon that. Learn your facts little bro
@thelettucebarrel7784 again that is not for you to decide . I dont care if GT is canon or not. And your second response was even dumber than your first one 🤣 . Yall keep bringing up "Feats" that's like the dumbest shit you can bring up . Broly isn't even a super saiyan God nor does he have any type of God ki , as well as jiren , RAW power is all you need to be stronger and that's what GT goku is . Raw power >Feats . Whis doesn't blow up anything all he does is train beerus and he is able to one shot beerus with one hit . Beerus shows off his "Feats" just to get one shot by whis who is not even at full power 🙄. So your argument makes no sense son. Try again
In would kind of makes sense that beerus will be in GT since Elder Kai mentioned about a certain someone *cough* Beerus *cough* that sealed him up inside of a sword. Plus in one of the Dragon Ball games beerus had encountered Omega Shenlong and the dialogue between those two definitely sets it up that they know each other. One other thing I also want to point out to is that if you kind of look at Super Saiyan 4, and I'm also including the Xeno version of both Goku and Vegeta, that during the battle against the shadow dragons. Goku did kind of use Instinct against the shadow dragons especially during the events where he was blinded by one of them. And even Goku stated that his body reacts on instant, he was practically using a basic form of ultra Instinct without requiring the silver hair version of it.
based on toei the BoG movie is canon to gt but this time he prob slepped for good this time, it would be interesting if they make a special of beerus vs gt goku from the goku jr special but gt will prob not get touched outside of heroes and games BoG can fit in the gt timeline unlike everything after, super saiyan god originally was supposed to be a one movie thing if i remember correctly
Here's how I see this; SSG forms simply don't exist in GT because they are Super timeline exclusive, meaning the only God-forns in GT are Destroyer and Angel forms. Following this, Beerus dream of SSG rival would be Goku in his Ascended State, aka the True God-form and the SSG form with red hair is only temporary because it can't confine to mortal body. Battle of Gods happens, Goku loses "SSG" after his fight with Beerus and since he was satisfied he leaves until the right time comes to fight Goku again. We move to End of GT and Goku finally ascends to true Godhood and permanently unlocks SSG which awakens Beerus again and battle ensues. Now here's a fun part, let's say that Dragon Ball Universe is cyclical meaning the Universe rebirths into new one, this means that DBS comes after DBGT and following this Supers Beerus' vision of SSG rival is actually SSG Goku from GT and NOT Yamoshi. Now as for power-scaling, GT'S SSG form would be VASTLY more powerful than anything Goku has in Super including Ultra Instinct cause in Ascended State all physical and even spiritual limitations are removed and at the very end of GT where the Universe has faded into oblivion, Goku's fist collision with Beerus creates the Super timeline, further going back in on DBS Beerus' vision of SSG who's actually GT's SSG Goku
even if the god forms existed, theres a guidebook statement saying Super Saiyan 4 is the ultimate saiyan transformation (they also showed Super Saiyan God on the same page) so when Goku gets Super Saiyan 4, Super Saiyan God wouldn't be relevant anyway.
About Goku not using god forms in GT, there is actually a very, very solid explination in there already. At End of Z, Goku has no need to even use SSJ, so there wouls be no god form there. At the beginning of GT, after training with Uub, he is in base, no need for any godly forms. Now, he probably did use them while training Uub in the RoSaT, as Uub does have his own type of god ki being the reincarnation of Kid Buu But, then he gets turned into a kid. Where even SSJ is difficult to control. He can't use/predict his instant transmission Using stronger forms like SSJ2 and SSJ3 get increasingly harder for him to use. So if he tried to use something like SSG, SSB, or UI, it would probably cause his muscles to lock up, and work like a bad type of kaioken, moreso damaging goku as he tries to draw more power in the kid form. Once he attains SSJ4, he is able to return to an adult type size. But reverts back to a kid in ssj1 and such And as for vegeta, it seems like he spent a lot of time not training, focusing on his family instead. So it could lead to him slowly losing his access to godly ki as it slowly leaks out without him knowing And, part of my headcannon, is that SSJ4 Gogeta has red hair, because the remaining traces of God Ki from Goku and Vegeta merge into the SSJ4 form, leading to a weird hybrid form that causes gogeta to be so powerful. And this godly ki building up inside of him is what allows him to revert Omega's Negative Karma Ball into a positive attack, restoring a lot of the area when he launches it away. As for End of GT Goku, i believe that this is a form that is leagues beyond even UI, as he ascends far above, into the" Realm of Dragons", merging with Shenron. And i believe this leads to Goku getting tied into Zalma in a way, who created the Super Dragon Balls, to a point where his base is so powerful he has no need for even super saiyan or kaioken (Also i am calling this the Realm of Dragons, as Zalma is considered the Dragon God, and Shenron, Porunga, Super Shenron, and such are all Dragons. Plus he merges with the DRAGON Balls.)
I like to think of it like this: GT is pretty well established to be the movie timeline. Considering BoG is technically a Z movie, that’d mean it exists in that timeline as well. I could see it being canon to GT, especially since Kibito is still fused with Shin and Goku actually has a reason to not have SSG by GT since he never really kept it. My only flaw with the logic of this video and my own is that Resurrection F is also a Z movie and obviously SSB is not a thing in GT, though I guess that can just be chalked up to being in its own universe or some kind of duplicate of the Super timeline.
There is a possibility they said that it's set in between the times that GT would take place in dragon Ball z ends while at the same time and intending it to still be a different universe if nobody ever wanted to ask a question towards them properly to clarify it.
thing is Uub wouldn't be one given that he likey will take like goku in not wanting to kill and destroy stuff for no reason, he is human afterall not a true majin like buu was
A really interesting point you noted about GT Goku becoming a god when hitting Omega Shenron with the Spirit Bomb, I think the reason OG Shenron took Goku to a higher plain of existence is because he literally became a more dimensionally complex being when he used the last of his resolve against Omega. Goku fading away on top of Shenron Isn’t just because he’s “absorbing the dragon balls”, it’s because his physical body literally has to transcend with his new power. If we account for how powerful beings of higher dimensions are by concept alone (literally a factor of ♾️ per dimension), then it’s no wonder why The G.O.Ds, the Angels, the Grand Priest, Zeno, and GT Goku are unsurpassable. Because their 3D forms are not representative of their true power, hence why Beerus is incomparablely stronger than SSG Goku dispite him saying that he’s using 70% of his power in the original movie. Essentially, every time Goku gets stronger, Beerus uses more of his 4D power. That might be what God Ki truly is, in that sense. Factoring THAT in, if we say that God ki is higher dimensional energy, but is being channeled by 3D fighters, then that may be why characters like Broly and Beast Gohan can be massively stronger than Goku and Vegeta despite not having God ki. Because you can only channel so much 4D power if you’re still bound by a 3D form.
In all honest after end of Z they should reboot GT, I personally want arcs like baby and evil dragon canon to toriyama's main story. Like imagine baby infected a post z ultra ego vegeta like that would be an insane threat. Imagine the evil dragon all redesigned, maybe the super dragonballs gets Corrupted and becomes a threat that the gods themselves cannot handle.
He's a God so I think he'll just go back to sleep when all the dragon ball characters die of old age, beerus is my favorite he can't show his full power because that destroys the universe.
To think of it it makes perfect sense to give goku a temporary undeniable strong form. With keeping in mind how much diffence there is going from ss3 to ssg and going from ss3 to ss4 i believe they are in the same real or ssg is even higher. As goku said not even vegito would be enough. And i believe it was said that goku going from base to ss4 is a higher jump than potara. We would have gotten both forms being cannon from which 1 was mysterious temporary ssg form with the healingabilities and all. It would have been a majestic form. And knowing all this i again want to thank them for pooor story creating 😮💨
Theory: What if, when Goku and Vegeta finally rematch with Black Frieza, the battle shakes the whole Cosmos so much, the other Kais and GODs all complain to the Grand Priest and the Omni-King, and they use the Super Dragon Balls to nerf the Universe 7 fighters and cut them off from God Ki and from Beerus and Whis, since they were the ones who both trained Goku and Vegeta with God Ki and revived Frieza.
Don't forget everytime future trunks comes back it creates a new timeline and zamasu was time traveling and took goku body soo who knows maybe that was the ssj god beerus was talking about...once u introduce time traveling its a infinite possibilities
How I would of fit Beerus into the GT Timeline when Ssj4 Goku & Vegeta fused into Ssj4 Gogeta & while Beerus was sleeping he felt Gogeta's God like Ki. Which right before they defused he appears before Gogeta gotten to power up his Big Bang Kamehameha against Omega Shenron. At that instance he ignored Omega & had his focus on Gogeta saying "So this is the Ki I felt during my slumber". While Gogeta gaved a reaction they defused & Beerus questions himself how can mere mortals possessed God Like Ki. Kibito Kai & Elder Kai watching from their crystal ball are shocked that Beerus awaken from his slumber & immediately teleports to earth. While standing their Omega Shenron says "Who the hell are you" while a base form kid Goku stands their saying yeah I was going to ask the same thing while Ssj4 Vegeta remembers he's the God of Destruction him & his father knew years ago triggering Beerus to remember Vegeta. The Z fighters are down there watching while Gohan says "A God of Destruction?" & That's where Whis is introduced telling Gohan "He heard correctly, He's Beerus God of Destruction of this universe, & I'm his Servant Whis." Omega Shenron Laughs & says "A God of Destruction? Don't make me laugh, I can Destroy you like how I'll destroy this miserable planet." Beerus laughs & says "Destroy you say? Only one getting Destroyed is you." Omega Laughs & goes in for an attack he misses, Beerus teleports behinds him tapping him on his shoulder saying "Looks like you missed." Omega with a sinister grind extends his spikes & uses his Dragon Thunder. While he thinks it's hurting Beerus, Beerus breaks out of it like nothing & tells him "What was that?" Angering Omega where Beerus is just toying with him to the point where Omega Charges up a Full Power Minus Energy Death Ball. Laughing Manically he tells Beerus "Go to hell with this miserable planet!" Unfazed Beerus smugs & stops the Death Ball with his finger tip & destroys it telling Omega Shenron he grows tired of this charade. Beerus powers up flying towards a dumbfounded Omega & tells Omega "So much calling yourself a God of Destruction" & Hakai's him with eased having Omega Shenron & his negative energy cease from existence. After that Beerus turns his attention to a dumbfounded Goku & a nervous Ssj4 Vegeta & tells them "Now where did mortals like you get such a power" & thats when Kibito Kai & Elder Kai appear.
you show a clip from super dragon ball hero's where whis is killing beerus but ive never seen that before and ive watched all episodes up to date... what is that from or is it fake?
Toei thinks GT is Cannon. That's all. They are wrong though. I think of GT as an alternate timeline, like the movies. GT is an awesome dragon ball story,it's just not the main timeline. Being set between z and gt just means those 10 years is when super takes place. It doesn't make GT part of the main storyline. I think GT is a great "what happened when beerus didn't wake up" timeline. Ssj4 wasn't my favorite design by introduction alone. Pulling Gokus tail out was just...strange.
Thing is GT by definition is cannon. After all GT is official and legitimate, Its not a dragon ball abridged or absalon or anything like it. It is an official continuation of dragon ball z. It is for this very reason why super will not surpass or go into the GT timeline, It simply cant even if Akira would want that he simply wouldn't be able to not without facing countless of lawsuits, Unless they would allow him to which they wont as GT is an asset wich still generates money. Super also still is within the Z timeline, It is playing before the end of Z GT on the other hand is after the end of Z. So at least when it comes to the anime. Beerus did wake up, There is no what if scenario, Everything happening in super very much applies to GT this remains until the day comes where the owners make an official statement where they specifically say otherwise. GT doesn't have an manga so that is a whole other thing in its own right, Heck there is even a lot of discrepancies between the manga of super and the anime, Like ultra instinct, and jirens strength the tournament of power in a while etc etc.
@zanza8197 cannon is manga derived anime. Until dbgt is in the manga "dragon ball" its not cannon. It's Fannon. A fan of the series at toei pushed for a sequel due to the popularity in the west. That is all.
@@theevilben666 I don't think you have a good idea how the situation is around super. There are 3 continuations, There is the anime, There is the manga and there are the movies. The anime as well manga are interpretations of notes provided by Akira, Quite literally the same way how GT has been made. Super Anime, TOEI's take. Super Manga, Toyotarou take. Super movies, Akira Toriyama. You do realize that there are a awful lot of difference between these 3, Depending on your choice there very well might not be ultra instinct nor other transformations, Yea that would be Akira.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 Says who? This is purely head canon. By definition anything official and legitimate is canon. GT is most certainty an official as well legitimate product. That isn't an opinion that is straight up fact.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 Indeed it is. I strongly recommend you to look for the definition of canon. Things don't have to be in the same timelines, To still be canon. Though we even have the canonical time for db, dbz, dbs and gt, Its in that order. No official has ever retconned those timelines. Ultra instinct none existent in Akira his work at least not in a transformation form, Just like vegito blue, Its still canon though. Ultra instinct transformation is pretty much the same as false ssj. A super clear example of what isn't canon is ssj5. There is also no official canon, No one ever has explicitly said what is and what isn't canon ergo everything that is made by officials aswel abides to the lore is canon. Anything else is head canon. A clear example of something not abiding to lore, Goku since dragonbal is immune to bullets, yet we have an episode in super where Goku got harmed by one that is an exception not a norm ergo none canon.
You know, since Ultra Ego was introduced I thought it looked like Super Baby Vegeta 2. No eyebrows, dense muscles and all that. And like you said "eraser" energy. Obviously that wasn't what they were going for at the time, but in my headcanon Baby is using Vegeta's Ultra Ego.
The Pilaf Gang are kids in DBZ Battle of Gods and are old people in GT. But even if you wanna argue maybe they wished themselves back to their actual ages off screen, you gotta justify why Goku has SSJB in RoF but not GT. Because that movie is a direct sequel to BoG and is still branded as DBZ. DBS already has its own version of RoF so you can’t say it’s only in Super’s timeline. Goku would somehow have to lose access to SSJB before GT even though to our knowledge there’s no mechanism through which that’s possible. The only way you could reason it’s in GT’s timeline is if BoG branches off into GT and the later Z/Super movies, i.e. RoF, Broly, and Super Hero. From that perspective it’s not too unlikely but it still feels like a big stretch to say Pilaf Gang turns old again, Kibito Kai refuses, and Beerus fucks off until the end of GT.
also the fact that why vegeta would never use his super saiyan blue or even his later forms super saiyan blue evolution and ultra ego because he still has an adult body unlike goku
Sweet Beerus Confirmed in the Dragon Ball GT World Awesome, Hopefully With the Time/Multiverse Machine that Trunks Has They Can Explore The Other Multiverses and go to the GT World to Find out Where Beerus Is in that World.
wouldn't it just be simplest just to say that at the end of super, Whis made everyone forget or altered their memories of the events of Super because he felt Goku and Vegeta were far to strong, and in doing so forced Shin and Kabito to re-merge, and nobody in the universe remembered anything....... ?
I belive zeno perhaps in dragonball super just hits the switch or snaps his finger and erases the memory of God ki etc in super or around end of super that ties into GT
We have similar opinions and ideals. I always said Super should've been after GT. I always felt Goku died at the end of GT, which is why he absorbed the dragon balls and ascended. This should've been the super Saiyan God. He meets Beerus and they battle. Resurrection never happens because there is no dragon balls. Beerus goes to Earth to recruit Vegeta, Majuub, Gohan, Trunks, and Goten to battle universe 6. Goku Black saga still happens but God Goku steps in to wipe him out like Zeno did. Beerus recruits Vegeta, Majuub, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan, Bulla, Marron, Tien, and Krillin for tournament of power
I think it's okay for them to just deny GT, it's obvious at this point GT didn't stand up to super and the original creators vision. It can be Just. A spinoff series.
What? Akira Toriyama praised it publicly 3 times and has actually criticised Super publicly. Something he hasn't done to ANY OTHER PRODUCT except Evolution.
The way I see it, there's two different anime canon's based on that press statement. The first includes the entire original Z anime including the specials, all the filler, the original line of movies, and the BoG movie. This is the timeline that leads into GT... Somehow. It's a horribly inconsistent timeline that makes no narrative sense whatsoever, even in just the Z section with all the movies and filler. The second timeline is the Kai timeline, which includes the entire Kai anime and leads into the Super anime. This does not have the Z exclusive filler, does not include any of the Z movies, but does include the DBS Broly movie and Super Hero movie. I'm not sure where to place the RoF movie since the Kai timeline replaces it with the RoF story arc of the Super anime. There's also a third timeline which is everything from the manga, but this timeline has nothing to do with Toei. There's an argument to be made for the manga timeline to be the single most official and pure timeline, the one that's most "canon", however in discussions of Toei products and their specific version of Dragon Ball's canon the manga basically just doesn't exist anymore. They're no longer adapting the manga, and seem to be making a deliberate thing out of having their versions of shared storylines release first to make this clear. I'll refer to the Z timeline as "T1" and the Kai timeline as "T2" for simplicity moving forward. At this point I've pretty much made my peace that T1 is a nonsensical, contradictory mess of impossible chronology, so it doesn't really bother me that there's no way to make sense of that timeline from a narrative standpoint. It's a timeline that exists almost entirely in satisfaction of the rule of cool, and doesn't seem to have all that much effort put into narrative cohesion. Basically, it's the "Don't think about it too hard, just sit back and enjoy the action" timeline. Personally though, I do prefer T2 just because I am a sucker for a good story, and while T2 isn't perfect in this regard either it does do a lot better job of smoothly transitioning from storyline to storyline without as many plotholes. T2 not having GT in it also greatly reduces the narrative headache a lot by default. I'm also a big fan of T2 having its own distinct Broly as a clear tell for which timeline events are taking place in.
All you have to do is have Beerus save Goku from Omega Shenron near the end of that fight and then hakai Omega Shenron. Omega Shenron: "What the... who are you?" Beerus: "My you dragons have always found a means to annoy me." Omega Shenron: "Lord Beerus... This is not fair. The earthlings have misused the dragon balls, I am just bringing back balance." Beerus: "Enough. You ruined my sleep and soured my pudding. You shall be destroyed." Omega Shenron: "No... wait...." Beerus: "Hakai."
Omega Shenron after reabsorbing Sun Shenron states in japanese that he is as strong as a hakaishin. I think this would be the moment to introduce Beerus, and have him struggle against the final shadow dragon. Would be very fitting considering this issimmilar to how Shin was introduced and was amazed how strong mortals got. Beerus could be stronger than Omega, but not enought to defeat him.
That makes 0 sense,considering the Namekian created The Dragon balls. The Namekians do not have Diety powers. They're spiritual & somewhat magical but nowhere near the Gods. 😂
@@austin31697 shush child. Nobody in their right mind would have created Shadow Dragons. they came here attracted by abuse of dragon powers through namekian clay-pets.
@@austin31697 1. Kami, a Namekian, was the LITERAL God of Earth; 2. Super Shenron can literally undo Zeno's Erasure, if that's not God-tier, I don't know what is; 3. All other Dragon Balls were made from fragments out of Zarama's Super Dragon Balls. Piccolo is literally stronger than most of the Gods, with the exception tot he Angels and GoD's. Jiren is stringer than some of the GoD's. Heck, if the splitting of fused characters [via the fusion dnce and potara earings] is anything to go by - the Nameless Namekian was much, much more powerful than he is given credit. Probably already withing the real of King Kai's power if not greater.
It would also be interesting if GT Goku and Vegeta are able to use god ki in their ssj2-ssj3 due to better control while on the other hand they harness the power of UI/UE in their ssj4 prime state Also by going with your scenario i'd like to imagine that end of GT Goku has accessed a new form thanks to the power of the dragon balls and shenron's ki and that what makes beerus wake up only to find out that the true super saiyan god was actually Super Saiyan 5 Myb i overdid it
I think if they’re still planning on rolling, super into GT the only way they’d be able to do that is to make some sort of wish with the super dragon balls to get rid of the gods and all memories of the gods
Not really they could also make it that at some point goku and vegeta would have to choose if they keep god ki they cannot go ssj4 and if they want to go saiyan way ssj4 they have to let go of any god ki they tapped into . Since ssj4 might be ultimate sayian transformation way stronger than gods power , because its their heritage not something they learnt from deities
Gohan Mystic is the true form of ultra instinct. He doesn't need to transform, he has learned that his power is innate and can be tapped into without alternate sources of energy. it is what Whois said. Fighting without thinking, reacting on pure instinct.
Start of the video. Just wanna say it. He wakes up for the exact reason he says he does. He was told that he could meet a Super Saiyan God. 0:16 Beerus was not introduced in GT. He was introduced in Super. GT is non-canon. If we introduce GT at all, it would have to be completely re-written. 1:01 Beerus doesn't actually exist in the GT universe. He wasn't thought of yet. 1:11 Beerus from the movie is not a Toei product. Akira Toriyama came up with the character for the movie. The Beerus from the movie and the one from the Super anime are the same exact character. 1:22 Yeah, because it was a DBZ movie and at that time GT was still considered canon, so it could only go between Z and GT in the official timeline at the time. That doesn't mean Beerus was in GT. The movie was still made after GT, and shortly after BoG and Resurrection F came out, GT was made non-canon. However, for the purposes of the timeline, all of Super so far still takes place before the events of GT. 2:36 Beerus says a lot of things, but the fact is that Goku and Vegeta are stated by Whis to be able to take on Beerus if they worked together. 2:59 Again, GT is no longer canon. What happened in GT doesn't have to happen after the events of Super. Beerus doesn't have to step down from his role and Goku doesn't have to become a god (especially since that idea was stupid anyway). If they do it at all, they will have to completely re-write it. 7:12 Yes, keep the two timelines separate. That is the logical conclusion. 7:30 Goku would never become the god of destruction. That's not what he's about. Goku wouldn't even want to ascend to godhood in the way shown in GT where nobody could ever challenge him. Also, nice click-bait title. I went into this with completely the wrong idea of what it was about. You could have given it a title like "What if Beerus woke up in GT" or "What would make Beerus wake up in GT" or something like that. Still, my points all stand. Beerus was never in GT, and GT does not exist anymore. Case closed.
so my line of thought from this is maybe im wrong but theorizing lol there are 3 timelines for goku's universe future trunks gt and super gt isnt linked to future trunks any longer after z but super still is the movie is linked to z and gt gt isnt linked to super but super may one day have its own gt future in alt events or out right assumedly after the movie goku no longer has full god ki just a powered up base form that can keep up with some god power it seem it was you need to do to ritual to activate god ki in the movie every time unlike super with one and done but it might be retainable with immense training that gt goku doesnt focus on til ascending at the end of gt there was only 1 saiyan god in the movie not multiple like in super they do a incomplete version the ritual to without the full numbers to restore goku's ki but not activate god ki where would they get the idea if it wasnt done before as in the movie thus in gt as well god ki doesnt stack with ssj its base only and its temporary thus while strong against gods and resistant to hakai it isnt as powerful without multiplies it gets in super plus allowing it to be know could cause the enemies try and reach god ki which they didnt want plus gt goku later get a true god form not a temporary faux partial one like the first form of ssj4 like faux or partial ssj so by that the movie isnt super so no one else has god ki remnants but goku so vegeta doesnt have hakai kid gt goku is out of sync so he cant access the remnants in his base but his base is much strong then og kid goku from the enhancement and its compressed into a smaller body which is why his tail is needed so he can force it to ssj4 so by the end he gains control syncs with himself goes beyond and unlocks true ssj4 then god ki if super baby revenge death ball had hakai it would been from goku fusions with vegeta powering him up not vegeta having true G.o.D ki it was just a fragment of touched god ki infused with rage that made it like hakai when it wasnt or it didnt and it was just his hate and spite influencing the power to become a soul damaging attack according to him i cant explain why frieza doesnt have gold form in hell unless his resurrections was unwished and his power up removed from him and wishing him back wished to be undoable so he couldnt come back but that just let the dragonballs solve it but then vegeta have god ki and they have fused god with ssj which they cant do in BoG and gt so maybe here what i think could be resurrection f isnt canon to gt but a alt path from BoG a non canon movie that doesnt lead to gt canon a what if instead goku trained god ki that alt path spun into super later on in a new canon timeline
I'm just a fan of the show since Dragon Ball when I was a teen. Don't care for all of this explanation. Broly wasn't cannon either. If he HAD been . . You would have heard any of the Saiyans say during the series ; something like "Do remember that ridiculously strong Saiyan we fought on that one planet ?" Or " We've gone up a Legendary Super Saiyan". But no . . The movies didn't tie in with the series well. But now they DO.
If people are accepting that the BoG movie is canon to GT and the BoG arc in Super is canon to Super then that automatically makes Super Saiyan 4 stronger than God. Besides, whether you take in Heroes as official media or not since it’s still from TOEI, SSJ4 is just slightly slower and weaker than TUI
Also...not to cause an argument. But we have seen characters hit a "wall" so to speak, where training only takes them so far, to a point where they aren't gaining power anymore, but just maintaining what they have. If they didn't train they would drop in power drastically. We have evidence of this with Gohan. Otherwise buu saga Gohan should have been capable of ssj2 without being enraged as Gohan completely mastered ssj1 in cell saga(grade 4) but all of a sudden could only use grade 2 ssj1 in buu saga. Not training for a sayian is lethal to their overall ability. 7 years of "peace" dulled Gohan from peak ssj2 warrior to ssj1 barely stronger then trunks(8 year old trunks)
I'm baffled that there are people who think the super manga is somehow have any correlation with the anime like wtf?? Black Frieza doesn't exist Beerus has long been surpassed by both Goku and Vegeta and nothing that happens in the manga has any effect on the anime that's it. Anime is the source material manga is not canon for dragon ball super literal toddlers can comprehend this but there are people who can't apparently
@@alexbain8606from the moment Goku came out of the crater he became the strongest being in dragon ball period. That's why I don't understand when folks say super Goku beats GT Goku(final arc) because GT Goku is no mortal, he is a dragon god and far above SS4 Gogeta
Well he is the strongest "mortal" and that's his rightful title. However, as I said before, GT Goku when he ascended and become a dragon god far above any iteration of goku we have seen. He achieved pure enlightenment. Something rooted in taosim. He can phase through dimensions at will. He has immortality and can exist everywhere at once. He would no diff Gogeta SS4.@@alexbain8606
You can't say information like this to the "gatekeeping" fake db fans who refuse to accept that GT is a part of the official canonical events of the db timeline stated by Toei and Toriyama himself
@thelettucebarrel7784 it's on the db timeline as officially being canon due to Toei and Toriyama so you just have to accept it just like I have to accept DBS
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We can wait and see but it can be a remake version to intro beerus
I am sure shook he did not make effort to appear
sad we will never know if this will ever happen, with them turning all the characters into babies
Yeah, that seems probable. In dbx2, gt goku refers to Beerus by his name during the pre-fight dialogue.
Furthermore, GT Goku repeatedly uses an incomplete ssg ritual, as only 4 super saiyans were able to get him to full power ssj. The introduction of battle of gods also meant that the statement of Pan in GT being unable to turn ssj is retconned.
another thing is that there is a guidebook statement (with Super Saiyan God shown on the same page as this statement) stating Super Saiyan 4 is the ultimate saiyan transformation, which would further explain why Goku is purposefully getting energy from 4 saiyans instead of 5, as Super Saiyan God is a lesser form which would explain why Goku wouldn't go for a 5th saiyan
It's possible that when Battle of God was written, Shueisha was fine having it connected to GT. When you think about it, Battle of God alone wouldn't change much of GT. It's not like Goku would be able to use Super Saiyan God since that form was absorbed into Goku's base form, which also explain Goku's absurbly strong base form. It was until RoF and DBS was planned with Toriyama's supervision that it was decided that modern DB series is a seperate canon to GT.
Honestly it really makes sense that BOG Beerus from the movie would fit into the GT Timeline since BOG was stated to be right before End of Z. Plus in tue original movie Goku didn’t keep the power of Super Sayian God, that only happened in Super. And Kibito and Shin were still fused in the movie and in GT so the movie version can actually perfectly fit in the story if we lets say Beerus went back to sleep.
Yeah that could be it, since all db movies before BoG are canon to dbgt, why not added one more from BoG movie... right?
However, Resurrection F is connected to BOG. And he has SSJB there.
They used the dragonballs to split in super timeline just not by that moment
Gt would also only happen in a timeline where beerus does not wake up to interact with goku at all, gt is the dragon ball retelling then dbz kai and the dbz movies then gt battle of the god is not the same timeline supers timeline is original dragonball original Dragonball Z then dragon ball super and the super movies
@@chrisbrannen8091You mind rewriting that? I am completely bemused.
Lets dismiss the idea that GT Goku became a god(not saying he didnt) and acknowledge that this Goku has 100 years of training. From cell to buu he learned SSJ2 and SSJ3. Imagine what he could learn in 100, even if hes not a god he would still give super Goku a run for his money💀
END OF Z GOKU IS STRONGER THAN ANY FORM OF GOKU FROM DRAGONBALL SUPER AND GT GOKU IS STRONGER THAN END OF Z GOKU . SO THAT MEANS GT GOKU IS STRONGER THAN ANY FORM OF GOKU IN DRAGONBALL SUPER . Unless Toriyama decides to retcon the end of Z which is still Canon BTW
@@thelettucebarrel7784 your response is very bad 👎
@thelettucebarrel7784 End Of Z Goku is Very well canon and it has nothing to do with GT Goku being stronger than both him or super goku . You are a clown
@thelettucebarrel7784 "Super didn't happen in GT" well no shit Sherlock, dragonball super hasn't even made it to the events of the End Of Z yet . And the end of z is canon . Which automatically makes End Of Z Goku stronger than dragonball super goku. And thats 100% facts until toriyama decides he has to retcon that. Learn your facts little bro
@thelettucebarrel7784 again that is not for you to decide . I dont care if GT is canon or not. And your second response was even dumber than your first one 🤣 . Yall keep bringing up "Feats" that's like the dumbest shit you can bring up . Broly isn't even a super saiyan God nor does he have any type of God ki , as well as jiren , RAW power is all you need to be stronger and that's what GT goku is . Raw power >Feats . Whis doesn't blow up anything all he does is train beerus and he is able to one shot beerus with one hit . Beerus shows off his "Feats" just to get one shot by whis who is not even at full power 🙄. So your argument makes no sense son. Try again
Im so glad you cover this, ive literally been talking about this forever, man.
In would kind of makes sense that beerus will be in GT since Elder Kai mentioned about a certain someone *cough* Beerus *cough* that sealed him up inside of a sword.
Plus in one of the Dragon Ball games beerus had encountered Omega Shenlong and the dialogue between those two definitely sets it up that they know each other.
One other thing I also want to point out to is that if you kind of look at Super Saiyan 4, and I'm also including the Xeno version of both Goku and Vegeta, that during the battle against the shadow dragons. Goku did kind of use Instinct against the shadow dragons especially during the events where he was blinded by one of them.
And even Goku stated that his body reacts on instant, he was practically using a basic form of ultra Instinct without requiring the silver hair version of it.
But he was not in it. Because GT and Super are not the same universe.
Yo Mike went Super Saiyan 5?
That's sick! Madman actually did it!
he is also in budoden too
GT Goku would be at least be more serious in his fighting compared to his Super Counterpart
based on toei the BoG movie is canon to gt but this time he prob slepped for good this time, it would be interesting if they make a special of beerus vs gt goku from the goku jr special but gt will prob not get touched outside of heroes and games
BoG can fit in the gt timeline unlike everything after, super saiyan god originally was supposed to be a one movie thing if i remember correctly
Here's how I see this; SSG forms simply don't exist in GT because they are Super timeline exclusive, meaning the only God-forns in GT are Destroyer and Angel forms. Following this, Beerus dream of SSG rival would be Goku in his Ascended State, aka the True God-form and the SSG form with red hair is only temporary because it can't confine to mortal body. Battle of Gods happens, Goku loses "SSG" after his fight with Beerus and since he was satisfied he leaves until the right time comes to fight Goku again. We move to End of GT and Goku finally ascends to true Godhood and permanently unlocks SSG which awakens Beerus again and battle ensues. Now here's a fun part, let's say that Dragon Ball Universe is cyclical meaning the Universe rebirths into new one, this means that DBS comes after DBGT and following this Supers Beerus' vision of SSG rival is actually SSG Goku from GT and NOT Yamoshi.
Now as for power-scaling, GT'S SSG form would be VASTLY more powerful than anything Goku has in Super including Ultra Instinct cause in Ascended State all physical and even spiritual limitations are removed and at the very end of GT where the Universe has faded into oblivion, Goku's fist collision with Beerus creates the Super timeline, further going back in on DBS Beerus' vision of SSG who's actually GT's SSG Goku
even if the god forms existed, theres a guidebook statement saying Super Saiyan 4 is the ultimate saiyan transformation (they also showed Super Saiyan God on the same page) so when Goku gets Super Saiyan 4, Super Saiyan God wouldn't be relevant anyway.
nope, GT is nothing but a terrible fever dream in my mind. If I could forget everything about it I would.
Great video
Awesome Beerus Cat Pics
God I never thought of this lol thanks for the content dude!
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it was literally shown in Super during the Goklu Black arc that GT is its Time-line.
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About Goku not using god forms in GT, there is actually a very, very solid explination in there already.
At End of Z, Goku has no need to even use SSJ, so there wouls be no god form there.
At the beginning of GT, after training with Uub, he is in base, no need for any godly forms.
Now, he probably did use them while training Uub in the RoSaT, as Uub does have his own type of god ki being the reincarnation of Kid Buu
But, then he gets turned into a kid. Where even SSJ is difficult to control.
He can't use/predict his instant transmission
Using stronger forms like SSJ2 and SSJ3 get increasingly harder for him to use.
So if he tried to use something like SSG, SSB, or UI, it would probably cause his muscles to lock up, and work like a bad type of kaioken, moreso damaging goku as he tries to draw more power in the kid form.
Once he attains SSJ4, he is able to return to an adult type size. But reverts back to a kid in ssj1 and such
And as for vegeta, it seems like he spent a lot of time not training, focusing on his family instead. So it could lead to him slowly losing his access to godly ki as it slowly leaks out without him knowing
And, part of my headcannon, is that SSJ4 Gogeta has red hair, because the remaining traces of God Ki from Goku and Vegeta merge into the SSJ4 form, leading to a weird hybrid form that causes gogeta to be so powerful. And this godly ki building up inside of him is what allows him to revert Omega's Negative Karma Ball into a positive attack, restoring a lot of the area when he launches it away.
As for End of GT Goku, i believe that this is a form that is leagues beyond even UI, as he ascends far above, into the" Realm of Dragons", merging with Shenron. And i believe this leads to Goku getting tied into Zalma in a way, who created the Super Dragon Balls, to a point where his base is so powerful he has no need for even super saiyan or kaioken
(Also i am calling this the Realm of Dragons, as Zalma is considered the Dragon God, and Shenron, Porunga, Super Shenron, and such are all Dragons. Plus he merges with the DRAGON Balls.)
cool video
Nice Theory, I thought about it also 😅
I like to think of it like this:
GT is pretty well established to be the movie timeline. Considering BoG is technically a Z movie, that’d mean it exists in that timeline as well. I could see it being canon to GT, especially since Kibito is still fused with Shin and Goku actually has a reason to not have SSG by GT since he never really kept it. My only flaw with the logic of this video and my own is that Resurrection F is also a Z movie and obviously SSB is not a thing in GT, though I guess that can just be chalked up to being in its own universe or some kind of duplicate of the Super timeline.
There is a possibility they said that it's set in between the times that GT would take place in dragon Ball z ends while at the same time and intending it to still be a different universe if nobody ever wanted to ask a question towards them properly to clarify it.
Uub merged with Buu should be the new god of destruction imo. Just seems more interesting with a circle of Majin Buu's original purpose.
For sure and him and beerus have the same temperament.
thing is Uub wouldn't be one given that he likey will take like goku in not wanting to kill and destroy stuff for no reason, he is human afterall not a true majin like buu was
A really interesting point you noted about GT Goku becoming a god when hitting Omega Shenron with the Spirit Bomb, I think the reason OG Shenron took Goku to a higher plain of existence is because he literally became a more dimensionally complex being when he used the last of his resolve against Omega. Goku fading away on top of Shenron Isn’t just because he’s “absorbing the dragon balls”, it’s because his physical body literally has to transcend with his new power.
If we account for how powerful beings of higher dimensions are by concept alone (literally a factor of ♾️ per dimension), then it’s no wonder why The G.O.Ds, the Angels, the Grand Priest, Zeno, and GT Goku are unsurpassable. Because their 3D forms are not representative of their true power, hence why Beerus is incomparablely stronger than SSG Goku dispite him saying that he’s using 70% of his power in the original movie. Essentially, every time Goku gets stronger, Beerus uses more of his 4D power. That might be what God Ki truly is, in that sense.
Factoring THAT in, if we say that God ki is higher dimensional energy, but is being channeled by 3D fighters, then that may be why characters like Broly and Beast Gohan can be massively stronger than Goku and Vegeta despite not having God ki. Because you can only channel so much 4D power if you’re still bound by a 3D form.
In all honest after end of Z they should reboot GT, I personally want arcs like baby and evil dragon canon to toriyama's main story.
Like imagine baby infected a post z ultra ego vegeta like that would be an insane threat.
Imagine the evil dragon all redesigned, maybe the super dragonballs gets Corrupted and becomes a threat that the gods themselves cannot handle.
Id rather have the ideas from Gt reworked a bit more with better exacution before they fit in a boot.
@BananaR777 like GT is gonna get the broly treatment at somepoint because it's popular.
Yeah, Also Fix Cell and Frieza LOL@@BananaR777
He's a God so I think he'll just go back to sleep when all the dragon ball characters die of old age, beerus is my favorite he can't show his full power because that destroys the universe.
To think of it it makes perfect sense to give goku a temporary undeniable strong form. With keeping in mind how much diffence there is going from ss3 to ssg and going from ss3 to ss4 i believe they are in the same real or ssg is even higher. As goku said not even vegito would be enough. And i believe it was said that goku going from base to ss4 is a higher jump than potara.
We would have gotten both forms being cannon from which 1 was mysterious temporary ssg form with the healingabilities and all. It would have been a majestic form. And knowing all this i again want to thank them for pooor story creating 😮💨
Theory: What if, when Goku and Vegeta finally rematch with Black Frieza, the battle shakes the whole Cosmos so much, the other Kais and GODs all complain to the Grand Priest and the Omni-King, and they use the Super Dragon Balls to nerf the Universe 7 fighters and cut them off from God Ki and from Beerus and Whis, since they were the ones who both trained Goku and Vegeta with God Ki and revived Frieza.
The end of GT when goku visits pan and goku will always be the most nostalgic part of an Anime for me
I cant wait to beat beerus mains asses in Sparking Zero with Omega and ss4 goku. It will be absolutely beautiful
Don't forget everytime future trunks comes back it creates a new timeline and zamasu was time traveling and took goku body soo who knows maybe that was the ssj god beerus was talking about...once u introduce time traveling its a infinite possibilities
How I would of fit Beerus into the GT Timeline when Ssj4 Goku & Vegeta fused into Ssj4 Gogeta & while Beerus was sleeping he felt Gogeta's God like Ki. Which right before they defused he appears before Gogeta gotten to power up his Big Bang Kamehameha against Omega Shenron. At that instance he ignored Omega & had his focus on Gogeta saying "So this is the Ki I felt during my slumber". While Gogeta gaved a reaction they defused & Beerus questions himself how can mere mortals possessed God Like Ki. Kibito Kai & Elder Kai watching from their crystal ball are shocked that Beerus awaken from his slumber & immediately teleports to earth. While standing their Omega Shenron says "Who the hell are you" while a base form kid Goku stands their saying yeah I was going to ask the same thing while Ssj4 Vegeta remembers he's the God of Destruction him & his father knew years ago triggering Beerus to remember Vegeta. The Z fighters are down there watching while Gohan says "A God of Destruction?" & That's where Whis is introduced telling Gohan "He heard correctly, He's Beerus God of Destruction of this universe, & I'm his Servant Whis." Omega Shenron Laughs & says "A God of Destruction? Don't make me laugh, I can Destroy you like how I'll destroy this miserable planet." Beerus laughs & says "Destroy you say? Only one getting Destroyed is you." Omega Laughs & goes in for an attack he misses, Beerus teleports behinds him tapping him on his shoulder saying "Looks like you missed." Omega with a sinister grind extends his spikes & uses his Dragon Thunder. While he thinks it's hurting Beerus, Beerus breaks out of it like nothing & tells him "What was that?" Angering Omega where Beerus is just toying with him to the point where Omega Charges up a Full Power Minus Energy Death Ball. Laughing Manically he tells Beerus "Go to hell with this miserable planet!" Unfazed Beerus smugs & stops the Death Ball with his finger tip & destroys it telling Omega Shenron he grows tired of this charade. Beerus powers up flying towards a dumbfounded Omega & tells Omega "So much calling yourself a God of Destruction" & Hakai's him with eased having Omega Shenron & his negative energy cease from existence. After that Beerus turns his attention to a dumbfounded Goku & a nervous Ssj4 Vegeta & tells them "Now where did mortals like you get such a power" & thats when Kibito Kai & Elder Kai appear.
Change state godku and ssj4 ego vegeta vs ultra beerus yes we need this at the end of super manga
you show a clip from super dragon ball hero's where whis is killing beerus but ive never seen that before and ive watched all episodes up to date... what is that from or is it fake?
Toei thinks GT is Cannon. That's all. They are wrong though. I think of GT as an alternate timeline, like the movies. GT is an awesome dragon ball story,it's just not the main timeline. Being set between z and gt just means those 10 years is when super takes place. It doesn't make GT part of the main storyline.
I think GT is a great "what happened when beerus didn't wake up" timeline. Ssj4 wasn't my favorite design by introduction alone. Pulling Gokus tail out was just...strange.
Thing is GT by definition is cannon.
After all GT is official and legitimate, Its not a dragon ball abridged or absalon or anything like it.
It is an official continuation of dragon ball z.
It is for this very reason why super will not surpass or go into the GT timeline, It simply cant even if Akira would want that he simply wouldn't be able to not without facing countless of lawsuits, Unless they would allow him to which they wont as GT is an asset wich still generates money.
Super also still is within the Z timeline, It is playing before the end of Z GT on the other hand is after the end of Z.
So at least when it comes to the anime.
Beerus did wake up, There is no what if scenario, Everything happening in super very much applies to GT this remains until the day comes where the owners make an official statement where they specifically say otherwise.
GT doesn't have an manga so that is a whole other thing in its own right, Heck there is even a lot of discrepancies between the manga of super and the anime, Like ultra instinct, and jirens strength the tournament of power in a while etc etc.
@zanza8197 cannon is manga derived anime. Until dbgt is in the manga "dragon ball" its not cannon. It's Fannon. A fan of the series at toei pushed for a sequel due to the popularity in the west. That is all.
@@theevilben666 I don't think you have a good idea how the situation is around super.
There are 3 continuations, There is the anime, There is the manga and there are the movies.
The anime as well manga are interpretations of notes provided by Akira, Quite literally the same way how GT has been made.
Super Anime, TOEI's take.
Super Manga, Toyotarou take.
Super movies, Akira Toriyama.
You do realize that there are a awful lot of difference between these 3, Depending on your choice there very well might not be ultra instinct nor other transformations, Yea that would be Akira.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 Says who?
This is purely head canon.
By definition anything official and legitimate is canon.
GT is most certainty an official as well legitimate product.
That isn't an opinion that is straight up fact.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 Indeed it is.
I strongly recommend you to look for the definition of canon.
Things don't have to be in the same timelines, To still be canon.
Though we even have the canonical time for db, dbz, dbs and gt, Its in that order.
No official has ever retconned those timelines.
Ultra instinct none existent in Akira his work at least not in a transformation form, Just like vegito blue, Its still canon though.
Ultra instinct transformation is pretty much the same as false ssj.
A super clear example of what isn't canon is ssj5.
There is also no official canon, No one ever has explicitly said what is and what isn't canon ergo everything that is made by officials aswel abides to the lore is canon.
Anything else is head canon.
A clear example of something not abiding to lore, Goku since dragonbal is immune to bullets, yet we have an episode in super where Goku got harmed by one that is an exception not a norm ergo none canon.
You know, since Ultra Ego was introduced I thought it looked like Super Baby Vegeta 2. No eyebrows, dense muscles and all that. And like you said "eraser" energy. Obviously that wasn't what they were going for at the time, but in my headcanon Baby is using Vegeta's Ultra Ego.
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I also believed that GT Goku has mastered ultra instinct in his base form which means no need for to him to go blue, god...
The Pilaf Gang are kids in DBZ Battle of Gods and are old people in GT. But even if you wanna argue maybe they wished themselves back to their actual ages off screen, you gotta justify why Goku has SSJB in RoF but not GT. Because that movie is a direct sequel to BoG and is still branded as DBZ. DBS already has its own version of RoF so you can’t say it’s only in Super’s timeline. Goku would somehow have to lose access to SSJB before GT even though to our knowledge there’s no mechanism through which that’s possible. The only way you could reason it’s in GT’s timeline is if BoG branches off into GT and the later Z/Super movies, i.e. RoF, Broly, and Super Hero. From that perspective it’s not too unlikely but it still feels like a big stretch to say Pilaf Gang turns old again, Kibito Kai refuses, and Beerus fucks off until the end of GT.
also the fact that why vegeta would never use his super saiyan blue or even his later forms super saiyan blue evolution and ultra ego because he still has an adult body unlike goku
In super we still see ssj1 through to 3 from Z. In GT we didnt see ssg through to mui from super and I'm supposed to believe its canon lol
Sweet Beerus Confirmed in the Dragon Ball GT World Awesome, Hopefully With the Time/Multiverse Machine that Trunks Has They Can Explore The Other Multiverses and go to the GT World to Find out Where Beerus Is in that World.
wouldn't it just be simplest just to say that at the end of super, Whis made everyone forget or altered their memories of the events of Super because he felt Goku and Vegeta were far to strong, and in doing so forced Shin and Kabito to re-merge, and nobody in the universe remembered anything....... ?
I belive zeno perhaps in dragonball super just hits the switch or snaps his finger and erases the memory of God ki etc in super or around end of super that ties into GT
We have similar opinions and ideals. I always said Super should've been after GT. I always felt Goku died at the end of GT, which is why he absorbed the dragon balls and ascended. This should've been the super Saiyan God. He meets Beerus and they battle. Resurrection never happens because there is no dragon balls. Beerus goes to Earth to recruit Vegeta, Majuub, Gohan, Trunks, and Goten to battle universe 6. Goku Black saga still happens but God Goku steps in to wipe him out like Zeno did. Beerus recruits Vegeta, Majuub, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan, Bulla, Marron, Tien, and Krillin for tournament of power
wouldn't it be great if we got a direct continuation of Dragon Ball GT? Some of us are just mad-crazy inlove with Supersayian 4.
I think it's okay for them to just deny GT, it's obvious at this point GT didn't stand up to super and the original creators vision.
It can be Just. A spinoff series.
What? Akira Toriyama praised it publicly 3 times and has actually criticised Super publicly. Something he hasn't done to ANY OTHER PRODUCT except Evolution.
The way I see it, there's two different anime canon's based on that press statement. The first includes the entire original Z anime including the specials, all the filler, the original line of movies, and the BoG movie. This is the timeline that leads into GT... Somehow. It's a horribly inconsistent timeline that makes no narrative sense whatsoever, even in just the Z section with all the movies and filler.
The second timeline is the Kai timeline, which includes the entire Kai anime and leads into the Super anime. This does not have the Z exclusive filler, does not include any of the Z movies, but does include the DBS Broly movie and Super Hero movie. I'm not sure where to place the RoF movie since the Kai timeline replaces it with the RoF story arc of the Super anime.
There's also a third timeline which is everything from the manga, but this timeline has nothing to do with Toei. There's an argument to be made for the manga timeline to be the single most official and pure timeline, the one that's most "canon", however in discussions of Toei products and their specific version of Dragon Ball's canon the manga basically just doesn't exist anymore. They're no longer adapting the manga, and seem to be making a deliberate thing out of having their versions of shared storylines release first to make this clear.
I'll refer to the Z timeline as "T1" and the Kai timeline as "T2" for simplicity moving forward. At this point I've pretty much made my peace that T1 is a nonsensical, contradictory mess of impossible chronology, so it doesn't really bother me that there's no way to make sense of that timeline from a narrative standpoint. It's a timeline that exists almost entirely in satisfaction of the rule of cool, and doesn't seem to have all that much effort put into narrative cohesion. Basically, it's the "Don't think about it too hard, just sit back and enjoy the action" timeline.
Personally though, I do prefer T2 just because I am a sucker for a good story, and while T2 isn't perfect in this regard either it does do a lot better job of smoothly transitioning from storyline to storyline without as many plotholes. T2 not having GT in it also greatly reduces the narrative headache a lot by default. I'm also a big fan of T2 having its own distinct Broly as a clear tell for which timeline events are taking place in.
I would definitely like to see them remake EoZ and rename it to EoS
All you have to do is have Beerus save Goku from Omega Shenron near the end of that fight and then hakai Omega Shenron.
Omega Shenron: "What the... who are you?"
Beerus: "My you dragons have always found a means to annoy me."
Omega Shenron: "Lord Beerus... This is not fair. The earthlings have misused the dragon balls, I am just bringing back balance."
Beerus: "Enough. You ruined my sleep and soured my pudding. You shall be destroyed."
Omega Shenron: "No... wait...."
Beerus: "Hakai."
" maybe he can break out of prison cuz now he has his black form, hehe " lmao
please, the reason why we don't see any of the Gods or beyond in GT is because they know they're outmatched and must hide from anyone powerful in GT
Omega Shenron after reabsorbing Sun Shenron states in japanese that he is as strong as a hakaishin. I think this would be the moment to introduce Beerus, and have him struggle against the final shadow dragon. Would be very fitting considering this issimmilar to how Shin was introduced and was amazed how strong mortals got. Beerus could be stronger than Omega, but not enought to defeat him.
That makes 0 sense,considering the Namekian created The Dragon balls.
The Namekians do not have Diety powers. They're spiritual & somewhat magical but nowhere near the Gods.
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@@austin31697 shush child. Nobody in their right mind would have created Shadow Dragons. they came here attracted by abuse of dragon powers through namekian clay-pets.
@@austin31697 1. Kami, a Namekian, was the LITERAL God of Earth;
2. Super Shenron can literally undo Zeno's Erasure, if that's not God-tier, I don't know what is;
3. All other Dragon Balls were made from fragments out of Zarama's Super Dragon Balls.
Piccolo is literally stronger than most of the Gods, with the exception tot he Angels and GoD's. Jiren is stringer than some of the GoD's.
Heck, if the splitting of fused characters [via the fusion dnce and potara earings] is anything to go by - the Nameless Namekian was much, much more powerful than he is given credit. Probably already withing the real of King Kai's power if not greater.
It would also be interesting if GT Goku and Vegeta are able to use god ki in their ssj2-ssj3 due to better control while on the other hand they harness the power of UI/UE in their ssj4 prime state
Also by going with your scenario i'd like to imagine that end of GT Goku has accessed a new form thanks to the power of the dragon balls and shenron's ki and that what makes beerus wake up only to find out that the true super saiyan god was actually Super Saiyan 5
Myb i overdid it
Woohoo gt
I always loved this idea that battle of gods happened in gt and now it's confirmed!
I’d love to see beerus come down and slap omega shenron and put him back in his place
I think if they’re still planning on rolling, super into GT the only way they’d be able to do that is to make some sort of wish with the super dragon balls to get rid of the gods and all memories of the gods
Not really they could also make it that at some point goku and vegeta would have to choose if they keep god ki they cannot go ssj4 and if they want to go saiyan way ssj4 they have to let go of any god ki they tapped into . Since ssj4 might be ultimate sayian transformation way stronger than gods power , because its their heritage not something they learnt from deities
Gohan Mystic is the true form of ultra instinct. He doesn't need to transform, he has learned that his power is innate and can be tapped into without alternate sources of energy. it is what Whois said. Fighting without thinking, reacting on pure instinct.
My theory would be Beerus goes to Broly instead of Earth
0:55 What is that?
*Omega Shenron would push Beerus' shit in.*
Hs really wouldnt
Start of the video. Just wanna say it. He wakes up for the exact reason he says he does. He was told that he could meet a Super Saiyan God.
0:16 Beerus was not introduced in GT. He was introduced in Super. GT is non-canon. If we introduce GT at all, it would have to be completely re-written.
1:01 Beerus doesn't actually exist in the GT universe. He wasn't thought of yet.
1:11 Beerus from the movie is not a Toei product. Akira Toriyama came up with the character for the movie. The Beerus from the movie and the one from the Super anime are the same exact character.
1:22 Yeah, because it was a DBZ movie and at that time GT was still considered canon, so it could only go between Z and GT in the official timeline at the time. That doesn't mean Beerus was in GT. The movie was still made after GT, and shortly after BoG and Resurrection F came out, GT was made non-canon. However, for the purposes of the timeline, all of Super so far still takes place before the events of GT.
2:36 Beerus says a lot of things, but the fact is that Goku and Vegeta are stated by Whis to be able to take on Beerus if they worked together.
2:59 Again, GT is no longer canon. What happened in GT doesn't have to happen after the events of Super. Beerus doesn't have to step down from his role and Goku doesn't have to become a god (especially since that idea was stupid anyway). If they do it at all, they will have to completely re-write it.
7:12 Yes, keep the two timelines separate. That is the logical conclusion.
7:30 Goku would never become the god of destruction. That's not what he's about. Goku wouldn't even want to ascend to godhood in the way shown in GT where nobody could ever challenge him.
Also, nice click-bait title. I went into this with completely the wrong idea of what it was about. You could have given it a title like "What if Beerus woke up in GT" or "What would make Beerus wake up in GT" or something like that. Still, my points all stand. Beerus was never in GT, and GT does not exist anymore. Case closed.
so my line of thought from this is maybe im wrong but theorizing lol
there are 3 timelines for goku's universe future trunks gt and super
gt isnt linked to future trunks any longer after z but super still is
the movie is linked to z and gt
gt isnt linked to super but super may one day have its own gt future in alt events or out right
assumedly after the movie goku no longer has full god ki just a powered up base form that can keep up with some god power
it seem it was you need to do to ritual to activate god ki in the movie every time
unlike super with one and done
but it might be retainable with immense training that gt goku doesnt focus on til ascending at the end of gt
there was only 1 saiyan god in the movie not multiple like in super
they do a incomplete version the ritual to without the full numbers to restore goku's ki but not activate god ki where would they get the idea if it wasnt done before
as in the movie thus in gt as well god ki doesnt stack with ssj its base only and its temporary
thus while strong against gods and resistant to hakai it isnt as powerful without multiplies it gets in super
plus allowing it to be know could cause the enemies try and reach god ki which they didnt want
plus gt goku later get a true god form not a temporary faux partial one like the first form of ssj4 like faux or partial ssj
so by that the movie isnt super so no one else has god ki remnants but goku
so vegeta doesnt have hakai
kid gt goku is out of sync so he cant access the remnants in his base
but his base is much strong then og kid goku from the enhancement and its compressed into a smaller body which is why his tail is needed so he can force it to ssj4 so by the end he gains control syncs with himself goes beyond and unlocks true ssj4 then god ki
if super baby revenge death ball had hakai it would been from goku fusions with vegeta powering him up
not vegeta having true G.o.D ki it was just a fragment of touched god ki infused with rage that made it like hakai when it wasnt
or it didnt and it was just his hate and spite influencing the power to become a soul damaging attack according to him
i cant explain why frieza doesnt have gold form in hell
unless his resurrections was unwished and his power up removed from him and wishing him back wished to be undoable so he couldnt come back
but that just let the dragonballs solve it
but then vegeta have god ki and they have fused god with ssj which they cant do in BoG and gt
so maybe here what i think could be
resurrection f isnt canon to gt but a alt path from BoG a non canon movie that doesnt lead to gt canon a what if instead goku trained god ki
that alt path spun into super later on in a new canon timeline
IF Goten and Trunks today are growing...
Where the hell is UUB?
I don't get it we already know two times lines exist from trubks
Imagine if SUPER DRAGONBALLS had OMEGA SHENRON...
I'm just a fan of the show since Dragon Ball when I was a teen. Don't care for all of this explanation. Broly wasn't cannon either. If he HAD been . . You would have heard any of the Saiyans say during the series ; something like "Do remember that ridiculously strong Saiyan we fought on that one planet ?" Or " We've gone up a Legendary Super Saiyan". But no . . The movies didn't tie in with the series well. But now they DO.
If people are accepting that the BoG movie is canon to GT and the BoG arc in Super is canon to Super then that automatically makes Super Saiyan 4 stronger than God. Besides, whether you take in Heroes as official media or not since it’s still from TOEI, SSJ4 is just slightly slower and weaker than TUI
Also...not to cause an argument. But we have seen characters hit a "wall" so to speak, where training only takes them so far, to a point where they aren't gaining power anymore, but just maintaining what they have. If they didn't train they would drop in power drastically. We have evidence of this with Gohan. Otherwise buu saga Gohan should have been capable of ssj2 without being enraged as Gohan completely mastered ssj1 in cell saga(grade 4) but all of a sudden could only use grade 2 ssj1 in buu saga. Not training for a sayian is lethal to their overall ability. 7 years of "peace" dulled Gohan from peak ssj2 warrior to ssj1 barely stronger then trunks(8 year old trunks)
Seeing his mindset and outlook on all of the GT villains plus the black star dragonball situation would’ve been nice
I think by the end of Super, by the end of Z, Xeno will unmake the universes as they are..get rid of god kid and gods, like it never happened.
Bro , Beerus is surpassed by goddamn Jiren
vegeta gt becomme super saiyan god refuse train with whiss but forced goten and trunks train under him
would be cool
Gt, is like future trunks but way more complex. Just sayin. Its a dimensional cross. Void gap kinda sht.
ai bro
i stay true to Akira Toriyama
I’m not really sure about your theories 😅
But
If there’s a Kai, there’s a destroyer
Simple as
So via logic, Beerus is Alive in GT
Sleeping 🐈⬛ 💤
I've always looked at ssg as an incomplete 4 the blue ruined it
00:32
Not.
Nah gt only happens because beerus doesn't wake up during gokus lifetime.
He never woke up in the gt timeline
Its a reach but maybe we can argue gogeta was SSG or almost there
I'm baffled that there are people who think the super manga is somehow have any correlation with the anime like wtf?? Black Frieza doesn't exist Beerus has long been surpassed by both Goku and Vegeta and nothing that happens in the manga has any effect on the anime that's it. Anime is the source material manga is not canon for dragon ball super literal toddlers can comprehend this but there are people who can't apparently
I don't like bringing super to GT since I love GT for what it is and I don't like super at all
GT is so cringe when trying to fit in. Leave that dimension that was only a grab alone.
I still think that change state gt goku would bodied mastered UI goku
change state goku would bodied black frieza as well
how would change state goku vs ssj4 gogeta go
@@alexbain8606from the moment Goku came out of the crater he became the strongest being in dragon ball period. That's why I don't understand when folks say super Goku beats GT Goku(final arc) because GT Goku is no mortal, he is a dragon god and far above SS4 Gogeta
@@omnijonn277 doesn't the gt perfect files state several times that ssj4 gogeta is the most powerful warrior of all
Well he is the strongest "mortal" and that's his rightful title. However, as I said before, GT Goku when he ascended and become a dragon god far above any iteration of goku we have seen. He achieved pure enlightenment. Something rooted in taosim. He can phase through dimensions at will. He has immortality and can exist everywhere at once. He would no diff Gogeta SS4.@@alexbain8606
gt aint canon cry
And Dragon ball Super is and that's what's really sad honestly because Gt felt more like Z than Super did. Power lvls in DBS are Dogshit.
You can't say information like this to the "gatekeeping" fake db fans who refuse to accept that GT is a part of the official canonical events of the db timeline stated by Toei and Toriyama himself
@thelettucebarrel7784 it's official and known knowledge. How about doing your research
@thelettucebarrel7784 it's on the db timeline as officially being canon due to Toei and Toriyama so you just have to accept it just like I have to accept DBS
Omega still Better character than beerus nonetheless fact not an opinion here.
Gotta agree, he's also more of a destroyer
Beerus’s character is more interesting but Omega definitely is what Toriyama envisioned as a final boss design