I can't emphasize enough how much I appreciate your grind size analysis. It's a big reason why I prefer watching your reviews over others! I'm looking forward to seeing your hand grinder designed with grind size in mind.
Its interesting how i see no one commenting yet how great the ZP6 particle distribution shines when doing full immersion (Hario switch) It's funny how i see lots of people commenting on how fast the draw down times are with this grinder, but, dude, seriously nobody taking a Hario Switch or a clever dripper to try steeping the thing for some minutes? In case you have a zp6 on hand and you haven't tried full immersion or hybrid pour overs yet (immersion + percolation) , I wholeheartedly suggest you to give it a shot and thank me later.
I really prefer the external adjustment on some of the 1zpressos compared to the internal adjustments many others use. It just makes minor grind size adjustment quicker and easier. Hope it's something you are considering in your own hand grinder. Keep it up 👍
I've never seen any pour over recipes with less than 15g of coffee. Love this! I don't need 250+g of coffee at once, especially because I already drink slow.
Maybe it is the size and structure of brewers you use, for example, the small version of v60 or Kalita , the minimal dose is usually at least 15g of coffee. But Kono, Orea, April can perform well with around 12g !
I didn't know that the grind setting of 4 had that relative threshold of grind size. I'm always glad to see some nice, objective measurements! I also didn't know that the April recipe was changed from 30/70 to 50/50 center/circle pours. 6:00 I hate that so many fines get trapped around the outside of the burr! I have to blow them away after every grind.
A vote here for the 1ZPresso K-Plus with the magnetic catch cup. Also comes with a “magic tumbler” catch cup for espresso dosing. I find it has a wider range…I grind espresso around 3, pour over/filter around 7.5 but I’m going to try it on 4 with my April brewer based on this. Thanks, as always, for the overview.
Did the 12g April recipe on my April brewer (16.6666 ratio/the green, plastic one). Quite nice. Four on the K-Plus at 12 grams probably translates to a courser grind at 60 grams for my Bonavita batch brewer. I’ll try that tomorrow….that’s about where I’ve been dosing but a much finer grind (based on my Kruve Brewler and what I can get out of my DF64 with SSP unimodal burrs). I’m open to suggestions re: grind settings.
We always aim for a brew time above 2:00. Keep in mind that all grinders are different and the beans you use as well as water and pouring has a big impact on the flow rate.
Been thinking about getting a ZP6 when it comes available again but now I'm also interested in your grinder as well. Any info you're giving out to the public? Is there a rough estimate for the launch?
@@coffeewithapril Okay, thanks! Think my impatience will get the better of me and I'll go for the ZP6 for now then. Will keep an eye out for your release tho!
The one thing I've noticed with this grinder is that it makes many more small fines compared to, say, my Lido OG. It may work great for standard pourovers but quickly noticed it breaks down for more unusual brewing methods (metal-filtered, stirred, etc.).
with ZP6, you get really fast draw time, so you need kind of multiple pours to compensate for that but even with short brew time, you have pretty high extraction. This grinder produces tighter distribution and low fines, I assume that's why you couldn't go coarser and it wouldn't fit into classic April recipes Also, was this properly aligned to zero?
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@@edouarddoudounovic4230 It doesn't. As mentioned in the video. Comparing microns between grinder isn't helpful. The particle distribution matters more.
@@persianwingman um......i think the grinder here is zp6 special which is still in stock, no matter in the official website for international buyer or the shopee(the website for local people in TaiWan to buy). But it's quite expensive when you buy it in their official website as the postage and custom and tax is expensive as hell here in the UK.
Not really a review... just you talking about other stuff while brewing coffee ground with this grinder. Would have been helpful to hear you talk more about how the coffee came out and compare the taste with similar grinders.
Thank you for watching and sharing. Yeah, we have moved away from more in-depth reviews in favour for our Home Brewing Concept. But we will keep this in mind if we get back on track.
If you want to have best coffee at home, you always should have three to four different in order to create different profiles of the coffee. Ps: April coffee is always one of my best favorite roaster.
@@MinimalUnbox each grinder has different characteristics for different coffee grounds. Some grinders you can have more complexities for higher quantity beans such as geisha and coe beans. Some coffee beans are better for clean cup to taste the sweetness. As a result, it’s better to have few different grinders at home .
@@drevil2675 thanks. it’s totally make sense. Now! I have Comandante C40 and ODE+SSP. How can I determine which coffee os suitable for which of my grinders? Is there any methodical way to determine? Or should I simplify try each coffee with each grinder and then decide?
@@MinimalUnbox I usually like to use C40 with my geisha coffee. Geisha beans usually have delicate body with complex favors . I also like to use K ultra for normal coffee beans. Sometimes there are beans which I don’t like its favors, I will use kinu to make it sweeter and simpler, so it’s all about your personal preference. I am sure when you try more grinders with the same coffee beans , you will know what exactly you need to use next time .
@Dr Evil there are literally no instances where my Kinu M47 is close in cup to the quality of my C40 and my K-Plus. These two are different but very close in quality, Kinu is far behind.
Since you guys are working on your own hand grinder, stay away from the bent crank handle. Comandante really believes they 'invented' this and will send their lawyers to threaten all EU companies selling products like this.
Yes and the shape of the handle too, why we hardly can get 1zpresso, timemore etc. in Europe anymore as they literally went after resellers who previously sold those grinders… I know Comandante is a brand I never will support.
@@mikni4069 yes, these tactics cost us 6000€ already. They only go after EU companies because sueing there is "easy and affordable" in their own words.
I can't emphasize enough how much I appreciate your grind size analysis. It's a big reason why I prefer watching your reviews over others! I'm looking forward to seeing your hand grinder designed with grind size in mind.
I’m really enjoying my ZP6 special.
have found the zp6 to be much better than c40 in terms of overall cup quality, especially in terms of clarity
Love my K-Plus on both drip and espresso, I continue to feel that this company makes the best hand grinders!
Its interesting how i see no one commenting yet how great the ZP6 particle distribution shines when doing full immersion (Hario switch)
It's funny how i see lots of people commenting on how fast the draw down times are with this grinder, but, dude, seriously nobody taking a Hario Switch or a clever dripper to try steeping the thing for some minutes? In case you have a zp6 on hand and you haven't tried full immersion or hybrid pour overs yet (immersion + percolation) , I wholeheartedly suggest you to give it a shot and thank me later.
You're absolutely right! Thank you for the tip. Really wonderful combination! Ty
G'day what's your receipe for immserion, or go to? Do you mind sharing? Thanks
I really prefer the external adjustment on some of the 1zpressos compared to the internal adjustments many others use. It just makes minor grind size adjustment quicker and easier. Hope it's something you are considering in your own hand grinder. Keep it up 👍
LOVE my zp6 + April brewer
I've never seen any pour over recipes with less than 15g of coffee. Love this! I don't need 250+g of coffee at once, especially because I already drink slow.
@H C I mean, I actually don't mind room temp coffee lol 🙃
Maybe it is the size and structure of brewers you use, for example, the small version of v60 or Kalita , the minimal dose is usually at least 15g of coffee. But Kono, Orea, April can perform well with around 12g !
I didn't know that the grind setting of 4 had that relative threshold of grind size. I'm always glad to see some nice, objective measurements! I also didn't know that the April recipe was changed from 30/70 to 50/50 center/circle pours.
6:00 I hate that so many fines get trapped around the outside of the burr! I have to blow them away after every grind.
How you think, this grinder fit me if i usually brew aeropress?
Would you consider comparing caffeine volume for different brewing techniques, I would love your input on this.
A vote here for the 1ZPresso K-Plus with the magnetic catch cup. Also comes with a “magic tumbler” catch cup for espresso dosing. I find it has a wider range…I grind espresso around 3, pour over/filter around 7.5 but I’m going to try it on 4 with my April brewer based on this. Thanks, as always, for the overview.
Did the 12g April recipe on my April brewer (16.6666 ratio/the green, plastic one). Quite nice. Four on the K-Plus at 12 grams probably translates to a courser grind at 60 grams for my Bonavita batch brewer. I’ll try that tomorrow….that’s about where I’ve been dosing but a much finer grind (based on my Kruve Brewler and what I can get out of my DF64 with SSP unimodal burrs). I’m open to suggestions re: grind settings.
The kplus is totally different. Can't compare The settings with The zp6 at all.
Elite grinder. How much does it cost?
I just bought the zp6 grinder. What grind size do you recommend starting at for light roast Ethiopian coffee beans?
4-5, happy brewing.
What draw down time are you experiencing around setting 4? I find my brews with the ZP6 and April brewer to be around 01:45
We always aim for a brew time above 2:00. Keep in mind that all grinders are different and the beans you use as well as water and pouring has a big impact on the flow rate.
Been thinking about getting a ZP6 when it comes available again but now I'm also interested in your grinder as well. Any info you're giving out to the public? Is there a rough estimate for the launch?
Thank you for watching. The April grinder is still a work in progress. But we hope to be able to launch in 2024.
@@coffeewithapril Okay, thanks! Think my impatience will get the better of me and I'll go for the ZP6 for now then. Will keep an eye out for your release tho!
The one thing I've noticed with this grinder is that it makes many more small fines compared to, say, my Lido OG. It may work great for standard pourovers but quickly noticed it breaks down for more unusual brewing methods (metal-filtered, stirred, etc.).
Arent those ZP6 Burr almost identical with the Etzinger Lido series
@@yannote8302 oh no, they are definitely different
How did you measure?
@@mprz8188 looked at it
@@mprz8188 also, I brew with the SOFI 72, which has holes that let fines through, especially when you WDT it. So in a way, I sifted the grinds.
Orange April brewer 👀
Would love one of these
Love the new orange color of the plastic brewer! Will you be making it available for online purchase?
Yes.
Any details on the date? I‘m hovering over ordering a plastic brewer and would love to wait for the orange one…
with ZP6, you get really fast draw time, so you need kind of multiple pours to compensate for that but even with short brew time, you have pretty high extraction. This grinder produces tighter distribution and low fines, I assume that's why you couldn't go coarser and it wouldn't fit into classic April recipes
Also, was this properly aligned to zero?
With 700 plus micron they are already pretty coarse you probably wouldn’t go much coarser with light roast, not even multi pours
@@mikni4069 You should consider that at 700 micron there is only about 35% of the total range that is 700 and above.
What ppm water does Patrick usually recommend? Is 50ppm third wave water (classic filter profile) a good place to start?
That sounds like a good place to start. With third wave water you can go up higher (100 - 120) as well.
@@coffeewithapril Okay I'll try a higher ppm... I'm not having luck with the washed Tabi from Colombia El Tesoro ;(
@@bowieknife try the higher ppm and you will get better results.
@@coffeewithapril Okay. Will do. Thanks!
What's the best hand grinder that you would recommend over others?
We would recommend this hand grinder.
how would this compare to the fellow ode 2 in terms of filter coffee quality?
I believe it's pronounced "Easypresso"
I am a recent college graduate from The University of Denver. I received my BA in English Literature and Philosophy. I have done research projects concerning coffee. what is a good place to start a coffee career?
Hm setting 4 sounds off. Did you Zero it correctly since I am on setting 5.5 and it's finer than you guy's usually using.
Im surprised too… if 4 = 30 on C40 for their recipe then I’m officially lost
@@edouarddoudounovic4230 It doesn't. As mentioned in the video. Comparing microns between grinder isn't helpful. The particle distribution matters more.
Yes. It's important to understand that no one grinder is the same - true for all brands.
@@coffeewithaprilgood insight, thank you. Enjoying my ZP6 as well
@@coffeewithapril yes but most hand grinders are very close.
its 1(yī)zpresso. and is this grinder not limited?
The dark grey ZP6 is already sold out but I reckon they’ll make more.
@@persianwingman Unfortunately they are not going to. This is a limited run, so once they're gone they're gone (for the foreseeable future at least).
Sad stuff
@@persianwingman um......i think the grinder here is zp6 special which is still in stock, no matter in the official website for international buyer or the shopee(the website for local people in TaiWan to buy). But it's quite expensive when you buy it in their official website as the postage and custom and tax is expensive as hell here in the UK.
Not really a review... just you talking about other stuff while brewing coffee ground with this grinder. Would have been helpful to hear you talk more about how the coffee came out and compare the taste with similar grinders.
Thank you for watching and sharing. Yeah, we have moved away from more in-depth reviews in favour for our Home Brewing Concept. But we will keep this in mind if we get back on track.
please do review mazzer omega
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Thank you for watching and subscribing Nick.
If you want to have best coffee at home, you always should have three to four different in order to create different profiles of the coffee.
Ps: April coffee is always one of my best favorite roaster.
Can you elaborate on that? Why one would need 3 to 4 different grinder at home for best coffee (let’s say only for pour over not espresso)
@@MinimalUnbox each grinder has different characteristics for different coffee grounds. Some grinders you can have more complexities for higher quantity beans such as geisha and coe beans. Some coffee beans are better for clean cup to taste the sweetness. As a result, it’s better to have few different grinders at home .
@@drevil2675 thanks. it’s totally make sense. Now! I have Comandante C40 and ODE+SSP. How can I determine which coffee os suitable for which of my grinders? Is there any methodical way to determine? Or should I simplify try each coffee with each grinder and then decide?
@@MinimalUnbox I usually like to use C40 with my geisha coffee. Geisha beans usually have delicate body with complex favors . I also like to use K ultra for normal coffee beans. Sometimes there are beans which I don’t like its favors, I will use kinu to make it sweeter and simpler, so it’s all about your personal preference. I am sure when you try more grinders with the same coffee beans , you will know what exactly you need to use next time .
@Dr Evil there are literally no instances where my Kinu M47 is close in cup to the quality of my C40 and my K-Plus. These two are different but very close in quality, Kinu is far behind.
1=yi
Since you guys are working on your own hand grinder, stay away from the bent crank handle. Comandante really believes they 'invented' this and will send their lawyers to threaten all EU companies selling products like this.
Yes and the shape of the handle too, why we hardly can get 1zpresso, timemore etc. in Europe anymore as they literally went after resellers who previously sold those grinders… I know Comandante is a brand I never will support.
@@mikni4069 yes, these tactics cost us 6000€ already. They only go after EU companies because sueing there is "easy and affordable" in their own words.
I have the k plus for filter and espresso..never need another hand grinder.