No Ban List CEDH Gameplay | Golos vs Mairsil vs Rograkh/Silas vs Tymna/Thrasios

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  • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
    @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Pƙed rokem +12

    Use code POGPWPDEC60 for 60% off your first box at strms.net/PlayingWithPowerMtgFactorDecemberYT60

  • @D0omsday779
    @D0omsday779 Pƙed rokem +711

    This is what CEDH looks like to people that don't like CEDH.

    • @TripsAhoy
      @TripsAhoy Pƙed rokem +4

      Hahahaha absolutely!

    • @bryanlincks8323
      @bryanlincks8323 Pƙed rokem +5

      100%

    • @MTG_Ronin
      @MTG_Ronin Pƙed rokem +12

      Your comment resolves!!!!

    • @Bjerr
      @Bjerr Pƙed rokem +2

      @@MTG_Ronin Was the stack empty tho?

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar Pƙed rokem +17

      @@Bjerr The comment has split second and can't be countered or targeted while it's on the stack.

  • @paulmcclain642
    @paulmcclain642 Pƙed rokem +130

    Zack: “Pregame action: Gemstone Caverns, exiling
Dockside Extortionist.”
    Table: “Ok sounds good gg let’s shuffle up.”

  • @corey397
    @corey397 Pƙed rokem +288

    PWP - "Let's do a no ban list!"
    Zack - "Someone say turn 2?"
    Also Zack - casually Gemstones Dockside for the memes.

    • @vulkan5790
      @vulkan5790 Pƙed rokem +22

      That wasn’t even for memes! He literally didn’t need it.

    • @zealot2147
      @zealot2147 Pƙed rokem +4

      the only way it would be mana positive is if the golos player dumped 3 or 4 cheap artifacts, and even THEN in long run it wasnt good enough

    • @severinschmid6264
      @severinschmid6264 Pƙed rokem +6

      Let's not forget that obsolete tainted Pact, he already milled his whole library :D

  • @Starkipraggy
    @Starkipraggy Pƙed rokem +89

    my favourite part is when zack said "it's winning time!" and won all over the table

  • @alexkonz7935
    @alexkonz7935 Pƙed rokem +160

    Zack really went full anime villain on this one.

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar Pƙed rokem +3

      Well, he is playing Mairsil, who is an MtG villain, so...

  • @embergeos
    @embergeos Pƙed rokem +127

    10:34 WIN ATTEMPT THWARTED??? 2 people haven’t gotten to draw yet! This format is wild, I love it

    • @Starkipraggy
      @Starkipraggy Pƙed rokem +4

      We haven't even reached the turn 0.5 flash hulk win zone yet

  • @windy7820
    @windy7820 Pƙed rokem +111

    Ah yes, I love watching 100-card singleton Vintage.

    • @Frommerman
      @Frommerman Pƙed rokem +16

      This is worse than that. Vintage players get a maximum of 1 commander, which they must always pay 3 extra for and can only play once. These fine gentlemen got 3.

    • @fabioarturospada4178
      @fabioarturospada4178 Pƙed rokem +9

      @@Frommerman It's also why the heavy mulligans aren't as punishing here. Your starting hand size is 10 is you have partners and lutri.

    • @DiabloTommaso
      @DiabloTommaso Pƙed rokem +4

      Canadian higlander (is the name of what you are refering to) is way more fun cause it has a point sistem

  • @alphonse2234
    @alphonse2234 Pƙed rokem +22

    I am convinced they played until Zack didn’t win.

  • @Jay15199
    @Jay15199 Pƙed rokem +125

    I love the no ban list games, but I wish someone would use the opportunity to build a unrestrained stax list to keep the turbo lists in check.

    • @alexzander7629
      @alexzander7629 Pƙed rokem +45

      I agree but sadly Stax is just to slow. With so many ways to cheat out powerful cards and combos in such a short time span, the chance of the Stax player having anything set up in time is super low

    • @nebDDa
      @nebDDa Pƙed rokem +24

      Nobody is brave enough to make a braids cabal minion deck

    • @tking5218
      @tking5218 Pƙed rokem +9

      Turbo is so much more lucrative with the Moxen.

    • @energeticgorilla
      @energeticgorilla Pƙed rokem +6

      @@nebDDa it really just isn’t as good as it seems in cedh. it was banned for being unfun, not necessarily for its power. in cedh the plethora of 0 and 1 drops means it will set your opponent behind a teeny bit, but it wont really destroy a game.

    • @Jay15199
      @Jay15199 Pƙed rokem +1

      I agree with everyone in the thread. Turbo is the more practical list, given moxen and other broken cards, but it makes the decks' diversity more homogenous.

  • @alphonse2234
    @alphonse2234 Pƙed rokem +12

    CEDH shows how important turn order is in deciding who wins.

  • @anthonybuck4864
    @anthonybuck4864 Pƙed rokem +19

    Countering that Summoners Pact was such a bad move it hurts me, if he had just countered the incoming Flash he would have effectively taken him out of the game

  • @paulgoodridge2269
    @paulgoodridge2269 Pƙed rokem +12

    I love it with games like these that prove why these cars were banned in the first place, just a bit too much for the format.

  • @koba163
    @koba163 Pƙed rokem +61

    "Can we just keep playing until someone but Zack wins?"

    • @bgeda
      @bgeda Pƙed rokem

      It’s hoe their regular banlist games go too haha

    • @chocolateking1143
      @chocolateking1143 Pƙed rokem +2

      LOL he was just playing solitaire.

  • @smlvalentine
    @smlvalentine Pƙed rokem +5

    Love these videos, especially the NBL ones. Thank you for getting these together.

  • @Simonk_6
    @Simonk_6 Pƙed rokem +2

    I’ve been waiting for another one of these!

  • @mrmrmeta3698
    @mrmrmeta3698 Pƙed rokem +18

    Always brightens my day to see playing with power videos

  • @martynass
    @martynass Pƙed rokem +8

    Thank you PWP for doing these! There are a lot of people who are questioninga ban list and various cards from it, claiming half of the banlist is irrelevant. This is a great presentation, that everything in banlist is relevant 😂

    • @Starkipraggy
      @Starkipraggy Pƙed rokem +1

      everything is a stretch, no one played coalition victory or balance :(

    • @donaldduck6790
      @donaldduck6790 Pƙed rokem

      Apart from sundering titan lol

  • @Its109TheGamer
    @Its109TheGamer Pƙed rokem +2

    There's not a lot of no ban list cedh on youtube, so I'm glad to see you guys put a video up on it!

  • @TCG9777
    @TCG9777 Pƙed rokem +11

    Mairsil putting in work for a commander I don't see anymore

    • @wchenful
      @wchenful Pƙed rokem +1

      we didn't see mairsil though XD

  • @tntkaboomsky7427
    @tntkaboomsky7427 Pƙed rokem +6

    Ayo a Lutri video??? Now this is gonna be good!

    • @paulgoodridge2269
      @paulgoodridge2269 Pƙed rokem +1

      There's a reason why that card was banned and commander. A free 101 cards for having those two colors is a bit much.

  • @smlvalentine
    @smlvalentine Pƙed rokem +1

    Okay - had to comment again: this video is such a gift!! It just keeps going!!

  • @RGCDTB
    @RGCDTB Pƙed rokem +4

    This is the first time I felt like I never needed to know what people were drawing I'd look at opening hands and be like oh so you're going to win

  • @OzDawg1333
    @OzDawg1333 Pƙed rokem +33

    No ban list cEDH is just so sick hahaha I never realized how op Griselbrand is in this format. Also was surprised to only see one time vault win!

    • @canno93
      @canno93 Pƙed rokem +12

      There were two time vault wins. One with Zack and Griselbrand and one with Chad and Golos

    • @jgroen5545
      @jgroen5545 Pƙed rokem +1

      You can remove the "in this format" part of your sentence and it will still be true.

  • @Xerxaxify
    @Xerxaxify Pƙed rokem +16

    Thanks for the 5 games! I love watching no ban list commander! Great video all together.

  • @ChrisMcGiggity
    @ChrisMcGiggity Pƙed rokem +1

    Woooo grixis!! Let's gooooo!
    Definitely wana see more no ban list this was great to watch

  • @Xplayer007
    @Xplayer007 Pƙed rokem +1

    Nice to see a true no holds barred pod!

  • @madazander
    @madazander Pƙed rokem +5

    These games are wild! Absolutely love seeing these videos every now and then. But it is also a really good showing for why these cards are banned lol

  • @Jensees901
    @Jensees901 Pƙed rokem

    Holy cow, this was insane haha! Love it.

  • @taidokax7562
    @taidokax7562 Pƙed rokem +1

    What I have been waiting for!

  • @nintendocal5767
    @nintendocal5767 Pƙed rokem +1

    Another excellent episode!

  • @UruzzTyrsson
    @UruzzTyrsson Pƙed rokem +1

    That was absolutely awesome to watch.

  • @pollywop6339
    @pollywop6339 Pƙed rokem +2

    Definitely need to do more of this every now and then

  • @Darkogazza
    @Darkogazza Pƙed rokem

    These are far and away my favorite videos. Glad you guys don't do them too often because they're so ridiculous, but I still love seeing just how unhinged this game gets.

  • @Sliplinerr
    @Sliplinerr Pƙed rokem +6

    I would be interested to see this with a stacks deck to see if they can actually ever take a choke hold on the game or if it is just too fast

  • @patriciopoirrier3287
    @patriciopoirrier3287 Pƙed rokem +2

    Love this channel. CEDH Magic is just amazing đŸ‘ŒđŸ»

  • @TripsAhoy
    @TripsAhoy Pƙed rokem +1

    Wow someone had a good day!!!! Nice!

  • @Pyroshax
    @Pyroshax Pƙed rokem +2

    Very powerful stuff! I think I'd like to see what CEDH would look like with, not necessarily NO banlist, just exploring some cards on the banlist that people don't have a good idea how they'd function in a CEDH environment. Golos + Karakas was a more interesting take than reanimator turbo. In the outro, it's mentioned that "many of us are so far removed that we don't realize just how powerful these cards really are in practice". Every once and a while, yeah, we'll see someone say Griselbrand should be unbanned, but I don't think many people at ALL would argue that mox+black lotus should be unbanned. This episode, while an entertaining showcase of banned cards in its own right, is certainly no rebuttal to those who say cards like primeval titan or coalition victory should be unbanned. I'd like to see what CEDH looks like when allowed to stay in-between legacy and vintage, rather than just full-blown vintage.

  • @WiiTara
    @WiiTara Pƙed rokem +2

    Amazing

  • @089Memo90
    @089Memo90 Pƙed rokem +1

    What an episode !!! đŸ”„â™„ïž

  • @AnomAnomMTG
    @AnomAnomMTG Pƙed rokem

    The fact that it just goes "he cast a he cast a" and all of them were the exact same tone and cadence is hilarious to me

  • @Cavemanconnman
    @Cavemanconnman Pƙed rokem +3

    I love no ban list cedh. So much fun!

  • @garrettwilson2624
    @garrettwilson2624 Pƙed rokem

    yippe, needed some commander content

  • @Magsz_
    @Magsz_ Pƙed rokem +1

    “You know what
let’s go into the next game” 😂😂😂

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar Pƙed rokem +4

    The thing I love the most about these no banlist games is that I can shove them in the face of everyone whining about banlists. 🙃

    • @chocolateking1143
      @chocolateking1143 Pƙed rokem

      Agreed. Some people literally don’t understand if the cards were not banned it’s a turn 1-2 clock non stop. Lol

    • @wchenful
      @wchenful Pƙed rokem

      I think people are mostly contesting whether cards like biorhythm or coalition relic should be banned - not moxes and time vaults.

  • @eamonworden4369
    @eamonworden4369 Pƙed rokem +1

    Would love to see some banned commanders like Griselbrand or Emrakul, maybe even in a regular vid with the special rule being any commanders?

  • @sorafowler4497
    @sorafowler4497 Pƙed rokem +1

    I want more of this!

  • @TripsAhoy
    @TripsAhoy Pƙed rokem +2

    No ban list is so dirty! Gotta love it 😉

  • @Joshua-no3vh
    @Joshua-no3vh Pƙed rokem +1

    That third game when he went to 4, i was so wishing someone was running a shock or lightning bolt to copy with lutri lol

  • @alemorikec
    @alemorikec Pƙed rokem +5

    These are an absolute blast to watch.

  • @gutsbadguy50
    @gutsbadguy50 Pƙed rokem +2

    So, vintage if countermagic was restricted and life payments mattered even less.

  • @cooldes4593
    @cooldes4593 Pƙed rokem +1

    Zack with the HAT TRICK +1

  • @MrDancingrobots
    @MrDancingrobots Pƙed rokem +1

    The hardcast Fierce Guardianship, that was spicy

  • @MintyMagicMTG
    @MintyMagicMTG Pƙed rokem

    Geez Ryan’s hand/first two turns in game two are insane

  • @tking5218
    @tking5218 Pƙed rokem +2

    Moxen with Yawmoth's Bargain and Grislebrand is just ridiculous. Makes Ad Nauseum and Necropotence decks look like child's play

  • @chronics23
    @chronics23 Pƙed rokem +1

    I love no ban lists games so much

  • @jayceehampton8031
    @jayceehampton8031 Pƙed rokem +1

    Another No-Ban List Commander game?! Let us freaking GO!!!

  • @SimoneCasuSaber
    @SimoneCasuSaber Pƙed rokem

    God this format is so absurdly fun ahah

  • @Lets_go_lesbians
    @Lets_go_lesbians Pƙed rokem +1

    Hit em with the coalition victory

  • @phillipspeers9140
    @phillipspeers9140 Pƙed rokem +3

    Would like to see a Leovold list in no ban cEdh

  • @harrisonlake9506
    @harrisonlake9506 Pƙed rokem

    So much fun to watch, if i could afford idd make these decks

  • @didiez8678
    @didiez8678 Pƙed rokem +1

    I loooove the « no banlist » soooo much !!!

  • @Varler_
    @Varler_ Pƙed rokem

    That was really fun. What the heck!
    (What about cEDH but silver border cards are legal? There are some pretty busted Un-cards.)

  • @thejewishpeople1970
    @thejewishpeople1970 Pƙed rokem +1

    Phillip relly got to play some magic here

  • @0k819
    @0k819 Pƙed rokem +1

    honestly if this taught me anything about the banlist its that thassas oracle should go

  • @smitchy657
    @smitchy657 Pƙed rokem +1

    That was ridiculous! đŸ€Ł

  • @jaredsmith6565
    @jaredsmith6565 Pƙed rokem +1

    Love the no banlist games, when will someone cast Sharazard though lol?

  • @jonaswilliams9755
    @jonaswilliams9755 Pƙed rokem

    The Coalition Victory on the side is very funny.

  • @kif3921
    @kif3921 Pƙed rokem +1

    Saw a 17min vid and thought oh so not much different from normal, boy was I wrong.

  • @jaredsmith6565
    @jaredsmith6565 Pƙed rokem +2

    Might be a bit of a controversial opinion but I feel like No Ban List should also play with the original companion rules

    • @rockdeworld
      @rockdeworld Pƙed rokem

      Personally I think this is better. There’s a lot of old rules in Magic that you could choose to go back to. Keeping it strictly about what’s on the ban list is simple as well as interesting.

  • @pepperonization
    @pepperonization Pƙed rokem

    Zack is on FIIIREE!

  • @edwardrodriguez9624
    @edwardrodriguez9624 Pƙed rokem +1

    Tbh this just shows the power of Thassa's Orcale Consultation combo. That even at the peak with no banlist its stil by far objectively the best wincon in commander

    • @wchenful
      @wchenful Pƙed rokem

      Flash hulk is stronger - it can win turn 0 instant speed. This is a very small sample size of games.

    • @voluntarism335
      @voluntarism335 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

      @@wchenful time vault + key is actually the strongest combo in the game

    • @wchenful
      @wchenful Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

      @@voluntarism335 Why is it the strongest combo in the game? It requires two pieces to be resolved at sorcery speed, and 4 mana total to activate. In comparison, Flash combo is 2 mana at instant speed and can be cast t0 using Gemstone Caverns + Spirit Guide before any opponents have even played a land or in response to an opponent's attempt to go off. Also, Flash is blue which means redundant copies can be pitched for Force of Will and Hulk can be tutored for 0 with Summoner's Pact.

    • @voluntarism335
      @voluntarism335 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

      @@wchenful you need 4 cards in hand to be able to pull off that turn 0 win, and someone can just force of will/force of negation/their own gemstone caverns + dark Ritual + opposition agent in response

    • @wchenful
      @wchenful Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

      @@voluntarism335 That's fine, even without the t0 win, its a 2 card combo at instant speed vs. time vault + key which is a 4 mana sorcery speed combo, where neither piece pitches to force. It's straight up weaker.

  • @maxmustermann1111
    @maxmustermann1111 Pƙed rokem

    This is the ultimate: "Here is why fast mana is stupid and a banlist is good" video :D

  • @jormungardwe
    @jormungardwe Pƙed rokem

    mairsil can cage time vault, wouldn't it be a better option all of the time?

  • @johnyedinak1180
    @johnyedinak1180 Pƙed rokem +1

    Thus was amazing

  • @hydracollector3588
    @hydracollector3588 Pƙed rokem +1

    you guys should bring this NBL games at least once per month
    we do like this kind of content

  • @LhynkalTheFool
    @LhynkalTheFool Pƙed rokem +1

    I love how ridiculous the matches were, everyone entombing Griselbrand and drawing 30 cards or having 5 mana rocks on turn 2

  • @keller3225
    @keller3225 Pƙed rokem

    Just here to say I like seeing NBL content

  • @kingfuzzy2
    @kingfuzzy2 Pƙed rokem +1

    Hope to see a turn 1 time vault win

  • @shatterspree4123
    @shatterspree4123 Pƙed rokem +1

    Chad’s decision to not pyro the rhystic made me angry in that last game, but realizing that it was bait was actually really smart. huh.
    Also a mull to 4 where ancestral is bottomed??? What is the reasoning for that??

  • @bryanlincks8323
    @bryanlincks8323 Pƙed rokem +2

    I blinked and missed it all

  • @jaredsmith6565
    @jaredsmith6565 Pƙed rokem +1

    Also, really funny that Thoracle won so many games XD

  • @davidpabst8638
    @davidpabst8638 Pƙed rokem

    FINALLY!!!! Yeeees

  • @vsorensen5542
    @vsorensen5542 Pƙed rokem +1

    If it's no Ban list I think people are missing a golden opportunity to play Richard Garfield Ph.D

  • @johnb3427
    @johnb3427 Pƙed rokem +1

    Exxon doesn’t even make GAS ⛜ this high test đŸ”„ that’s a circa ‘93 inception player’s style of play. Many busted cards made, and now collecting VALUE with a side of dust

  • @wesleymclain9146
    @wesleymclain9146 Pƙed rokem +1

    Absolutely love the no ban list games, they're pretty flashy. I'll see myself out.

  • @noahvoght8522
    @noahvoght8522 Pƙed rokem +1

    Let’s give it up for the narrator😂

  • @Lykrast
    @Lykrast Pƙed rokem

    I love how Lutri is there

  • @joebaumgart1146
    @joebaumgart1146 Pƙed rokem

    I would just use Emrakrull, The Aeons Torn as my commander and equip her with Eldrazi Conscription, Grafted Exoskeleton, and Swiftfoot Boots. Then cast time walk to kill everyone immediately. By using Black Lotus into 3 Dark Rituals, an Eye of Ugin, and forsaken momument with wastes I could bring her out as early as turn 3.
    Also Thassa's Oracle combo. T0 win.

  • @maku175
    @maku175 Pƙed rokem

    That's right Chad you take that mantle from Zack

  • @davidew345
    @davidew345 Pƙed rokem +1

    This is real magic ❀

  • @tobynorris
    @tobynorris Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci +1

    ''Not a single game went past turn 2'' Welcome to the Yugioh experience

  • @generic_sauce
    @generic_sauce Pƙed rokem

    With no ban list, the C in CEDH stands for crazy! đŸ€Ż

  • @Joolenplus
    @Joolenplus Pƙed rokem

    I'm surprised bribery isn't in any of these with griselbrand in the format. Another 5 Mana 1 card win. The floor is getting dockside or hullbreacher if griselbrand is out of the deck.

  • @benbarclay4239
    @benbarclay4239 Pƙed rokem

    Why does it feel like phillip was not playing the same game as everyone else lol

  • @dawidwidera1819
    @dawidwidera1819 Pƙed rokem

    Just like Richard Garfield intended.

  • @JohnSmith-hs9ez
    @JohnSmith-hs9ez Pƙed rokem

    16:02 why didn't he spirit guide to just counter the rystic? He would have had more of a chance of it resolving

  • @videowiz22
    @videowiz22 Pƙed rokem +2

    If anyone was ever curious why shits banned. This. This is why lol holy hell

  • @matrixshaman6652
    @matrixshaman6652 Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci

    Now I may not play CEDH, but when a card not on the ban list wins 3 games in a row, that might be an issue

  • @lucasbakeforero426
    @lucasbakeforero426 Pƙed rokem

    No Leovold???